With people like this, alternative medicine will struggle to get any validation, it will continue to be viewed as coming from the lunatic fringe. With friends like these people, alternative medicine sure doesn't need any enemies.
Totally agree. Just look at how many times I have been called a pharmaceutical shill just because I exposed some flaw in someone's reasoning about some alternative. Yet anyone that has bothered to follow my posting would know that I feel pharmaceuticals are an absolute last resort, and most should be completely banned for human use. In addition that I have been working with alternative medicines for over 19 years. So I am not anti-alternative by any means, just anti-quack alternatives. And I am not pro-pharmaceutical at all.
Really? Than maybe you should warn people about consuming high fructose corn sirup,
Any sugar can be dangerous.
soy products, canola oil etc. as these cost the life of many people everyday,
I have written about the myths about these products many times. But hyperparanoid groups keep posting the same misinformation on soy and canola despite the claims having been discredited numerous times.
whereas the gall bladder flush hasn't ever killed anyone afaik. And you don't even know about possible benefits of the flushes!
Soy and canola have never killed anyone other than maybe from an allergic reaction, which can occur with most anything. But something does not have to be deadly to be dangerous. These "flushes" can lead to lodging a real stone in the bile ducts, which can be deadly if not treated quickly with emergency surgery.
I guess you've read that the same person had a gallstone that was surgically removed later. That makes it very likely that the ones flushed out were real.
No, actually just the opposite. The "stones" she supposedly passed were 2.5cm, larger than can physically pass through the bile ducts. Then they refer to the single stone as "large", which implies it was larger than the 2.5cm most likely olive oil blobs she passed. Considering how slow gallstones take to grow this would mean that the real gallstone never came out in the first place since the flushes do not work.
You think the one "real" stone remained in the gallbladder? Wouldn't they have noticed it on the ultrasound then?
No, I don't think One "real" stone remained in the gallbladder, I think that NO "real" stones ever came out of the gallbladder.
As for the ultrasound there are several ways to explain this such as:
Or it can also be explained by the fact that small stones are not always seen. So stones never flushed out since the flushes are bogus would have had plenty of time to grow.
And again where is the lab analysis showing that what she passed were real gallstones. You keep presenting an unproven case as evidence for something that has already been proven bogus. So let's see some REAL evidence of REAL stones being passed.
You clearly didn't understand what I wrote.
That is a matter of opinion.
By the way still waiting for that lab analysis to back your claim.
I provided evidence via the case study. You just don't want to accept any evidence that contradicts your view.
That was not evidence. Show us proof that those were real gallstones.
How much clearer can the evidence be? Before flush: stones in the gallbladder. After the flush: no stones.
What you presented as evidence is like saying because you can find Easter eggs on Easter this is proof the Easter Bunny exists. I posted on other posts that sludge can appear as gallstones. And this can be cleared up by ingesting oils. But this is not the same thing gallstones, and unless you can show an analysis showing that what she did pass were true gallstones they you e absolutely no evidence. What is evidence are the actual lab analyses that have shown repeatedly that what people are passing are saponified olive oil and/or sterol-cholesterol complexes formed in the intestines.
Anyway, you can't deny that the flush can remove Gallstones from the gallbladder. A fatty meal can remove gallstones from the gallbladder, so naturally a flush can do that.
If the stones are tiny enough. The quarter size blobs and larger that people are claiming are passed gallstones are clearly not real gallstones.