I would suggest to go to the debate forum. I am sure people will go back and forth on this subject and it might help you.

I found one explanation for this //www.curezone.org/forums/m.asp?f=447&i=19551

Hi Reflection,

this question gets asked about once a week.

if the stones were composed of olive oil, the same amount of stones would come out every single time - but it doesn't work like that. sometimes a person will get nothing, other times that same person will get 1000s of stones. if it were the olive oil, this would not happen.

your supposition that the digestive track changes over time and stops being able to turn olive oil into stones doesn't make sense. why would everyone's digestive track make the same exact change over time?

people have dyed the olive oil mixture red, the stones still come out green and tan, with no red in them.

people get better. ultrasounds of people's gallbladders show no stones after flushing, whereas they had stones before, documented. what happened to the stones if all you're expelling is olive oil? swollen gallbladders come back to size after flushing.

some stones that come out are soft (and float), some are calcified (and sink). How could anyone make a calcified stone that sinks out of olive oil?

the stones have many different colors; tan; green; red; black; even white. olive oil is .... olive oil. why would it make one color of stone during one flush, and then a second and third colored stone during the same or another flush?

i found it very enlightening to read the forum " Liver Flushing - documenting health results." if you read that cover to cover, your doubts will be assauged, no doubt you will reach your own conclusion.

many happy reflections; good luck, happy flushing if you choose to do that.
cheers

Hi
I am one of those who believe that a part of the stones is actually built in the intestines.
But for me it is of no matter, whether these stones are built in the liver or in the intestines.
The important thing is, that bile is thrown out of the liver. And you smell it, there is plenty of bile.
And the health improves.
I have done 17 flushes so far and will do more. During the first flushes the smell of the bile was very, very strong, to say it gently.
Now the smell is more or less ok.
You geht toxins out with liver flush. Your health improves. And that is a fact, regardless of where these stones come from. I am the walking proof.
Elisabeth

I passed a few fairly large stones just taking a tea spoon Epsom Salt and massaging my stomach while doing a enema. But dont try that at home! ;)

That whould imply that the stones were pure olive oil since i didnt have any of the other stuff at the time. And Epsom Salt could not be the culprit since a lot of people (my self included) have hade flushes without it.

I have read those arguments, but if you've done a flush you can easily see that what comes out of your body in no way resembles olive oil. Also, the release of pressure in the abdomen would make one think that there is unwanted stuff in there prior to the flush. Also the evidence that the abdomen is flatter, etc etc...I don't know if this stuff comes from the gall bladder or liver or somewhere else, but the point is that the yucky stuff is out. And since olive oil and Epsom Salts aren't bad for you, I'm not too bothered about it.

Here's some reflection.

Have you ever thought about what "accumulation of ingredients" means? Think about it.

If you had a chemistry test where the teacher asked you to explain why certain things appeared at the bottom of a test tube after first pouring a few liquids in, then pouring it out and you said "it due was an accumulation of ingredients" that would be considered a non answer. It's one thing to try to make sense out of something and make an assumption. It's a completely different matter to think you proved something by making an assumption.

Your particular assumption seems to be:

" accumulation of the ingredients of the Liver Flush ingredients themselves as they reacted to the bile during digestion" causes stones.

As a general statement it can be used to partly explain the results (of liver flush). It can also be used to try to prove the opposite. That it is the ingredients themselves that are in the stones and nothing else. It seems to me that this is your current belief. As long as you cling to testing that statement, you will remain forever skeptical (on the fence). Do you have empirical proof that's how the ingredients function? Because I don't see it in your post.

Many people come here with the belief that you swallow some ingredients that go into the stomach. Then somehow they mix with or react with bile in the intestines and the result of that chemical activity creates those small stones (globules, balls, soap stones). These lie around in the large intestine until they are expelled (a la toilet). I have a question for this alleged series of events. Is everything found in the same place that it is created? If one of your main beliefs is that everything is found in the same place where it was created, then no one can convince you that your assumption (stones created in intestine) is incorrect.

You need to do some empirical testing by checking what you mind believes is happening with what actually is happening, outside your head. If you go to the beach and you find a small boat there does that mean it was created there? What if you find a gigantic boulder, 10-20 times the size of the other boulders on the beach, does that mean the gigantic boulder was created by unknown chemical activity at that site on the beach? If you think the answer to this question is yes, I suggest you ask a geology professor what other force might have caused that boulder to show up there.
If the kind of proof you are looking for has to come from an authority only you recognize, then go to the authority on rocks.

What about your other assumption:

"after doing the flushes so long that it causes some ingredients which are found in the digestive track are no longer contributing to the formation of the stones."

This brings up the question what are the mysterious ingredients which are found in the digestive tract and what are they doing there? And who else knows about them? Everything has a function. Why do they (ingredients) stop reacting if they are still there? Do you get sick after these ingredients disappear? Or do you start to feel better.

Did someone tell you of a scientific study, which shows unknown ingredients present? How do you know the ingredients are gone because the stones are gone? You have 2 things happening at the same time: the unknown ingredients are gone and the stones are gone. That is a correlation, only. If there are more unknown ingredients, are there more stones? If there are less unknown ingredients, are there less stones? There isn't any way of measuring this unknown. You can't test the intestines for the unknown ingredients because you don't know what they are. You can't test it by using definitions in your head. But by measuring observable events (outside your head)in the real world.

Taken together your 2 assumptions don't make a theory, they seem to contradict one another. In the first one, it seems the "accummulation of ingredients..." causes stones and in the second one the mysterious ingredients are the most important factor in causing stones. If you have ever thrown cold water on an over heated radiator, you know ingredients (water) don't react on and off on their own. Water needs heat to change to steam. If something is making the ingredients in the intestines react, then what causes that something else to stop reacting with the mysterious ingredients in the intestines?

What would motivate someone to see everything as a localized reaction? ie. Stones are created in the intestine. Singular boulders are created on the beach. Left out are reactions of other body systems. The olive oil mix is absorbed into the blood stream from the small intestines and then it goes to the liver to be created into another substance to be used elsewhere. You cannot pretend all chemical activity stays in the small intestine only.

If you just want to measure how many stones you create out of a solution you could do that in a chemistry lab. The purpose of the Liver Flush is to improve a person's health. The fact that the stones come out at the same time the health gradually improves is a correlation. But much more important, is that you can objectively measure improvements in health as well as feeling better. There are many blood tests you can do to see if certain factors in the blood have come to their normal range.

If you go to a medical doctor and ask about passing stones, according to his method it is painful. He may be authority on what he learned in medical school but he did not study alternative or natural methods there. For that you need to go to authorities in the alternative field. If you want to learn from those who have passed stones, then read all their posts and what they said.

Keeping yourself in the dark will keep you skeptical. There is a lot of information provided in a debate on flushing stones in the Liver Debate Forum, p.25 to 32. Click on "Could these be Gallstones...Lancet.." or put it in the Google search box (upper right). (This should take you there: //www.curezone.org/forums/m.asp?f=476&j=798)

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