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I've noticed that the nights I don't sleep very well, the next day I actually feel okay during most of the day (like yesterday).
But the nights that I do sleep well (like last night) the next day I feel worse.
My theory is that the day after a bad sleep I am running on adrenaline and cortisol fumes, which is why I feel okay and the day after a good night's sleep my body is going into repair mode which leaves me feeling tired and weak.
It totally sucks when you start getting glimmers of feeling good and then suddenly you get knocked back down again.
Anyone else experience this?
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- Re: Anyone Else? vegas111
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This is a reply to # 1,610,998Often you are less fatigued after less sleep or poorer quality sleep, particularly if your most difficult time is typically in the morning. You are simply inducing your body to ramp up the adrenal hormone production and this lasts throughout the morning and sometimes into the afternoon. You will probably notice more recruitment of the sympathetic nervous system when this happens--cold hands, sweating...depends on how overexcited yours is now. Typically you crash later in the afternoon or sometimes the next day. This may feel better than the severe fatigue, but it's counterproductive. It's similar to when you exercise and enjoy the high afterward as the adrenal production, particularly the cortisol output, has been substantially elevated. Your adrenaline may keep you going the following day, but the cortisol deficits make you feel terrible. It always catches up to you. At least that is my interpretation of what is happening.
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- Re: Anyone Else? feo66
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,610,998I have the same thing sometimes.
I had one day a couple of weeks ago when I was up from 3:30am to 6:00am. Slept for 30 minutes before I had to get up for work.
But I felt great all day. Not tired, Good mood, lots of energy.
My theory is exactly the same. My adrenal were doing a good job producing cortisol and epinephrine.
I should have been tired after only ~ 4hrs sleep. But I believe my sympathetic nervous system is still so active that as soon as it get's some hormones and neurotransmitters to work with, it uses them up quickly.
Hopefully Dr Lam's adrenal breathing and other techniques can slowly change my system from Sympathetic to Parasympathetic. I am starting to avoid reading the news in the morning while eating, doing more meditation, massages....and avoiding negative people.
- Re: Anyone Else? Naturalpath
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This is a reply to # 1,611,075Makes sense. It just sucks to start feeling good and then back to feeling like crap. Reminds of this famous quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU
Dr. Lam and Dr. Wilson both state that healing from AF is not linear and that there will be good days and bad days, but the general trend should be upwards.
For those of you that have steadily become better, I'm assuming that it was gradual over time and that you didn't just wake up one day and feel 100% again?- Re: Anyone Else? No Unicorns
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This is a reply to # 1,611,177That is the road I am on after two months with Lam...
Gotta make sure to do the emotional work as well, as they are are tandem.
I don't feel like my "internal thermostat" (i.e. adrenals) is broken anymore, however. When that was the case, I could have gotten a lobotomy, meditated 23 hours a day or whatever, and nothing would have cured the panic. It was, at that point, out of control and being driven solely by depleted adrenal glands.
Don't listen to the zealots here on the boards who say that supplements aren't good, or that you should get your C and pantethine (or regular B-5) from food sources. I know how rough it is, chasing down these gurus with brain fog, listening to their b.s. agendas...you need the high doses of C and B-5 on a regular basis over a course of months (depending on your age, state of decompensation, body "constitution," etc.)
CureZone can be dangerous in a lot of ways. A lot of regular schmoes pretending to be experts...- Re: Anyone Else? Naturalpath
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This is a reply to # 1,611,196You've convinced me to go with the Pantethine and Liponano-C, but what other supplements are needed?
- Re: Anyone Else? feo66
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This is a reply to # 1,611,205Hydrolyzed Collagen is another important one.
With adrenal fatigue, your body breaks down collagen for energy. Which is part of the reason for skin, muscle and joint problems. So it helps to give another source of collagen.
Dr Lam uses "Dermagen" from the supplement clinic. You can get it from other places. This particular supplement is pretty cheap.
- Re: Anyone Else? Naturalpath
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This is a reply to # 1,611,215What about Pure Horizon's Qauntum? I was thinking about slowly introducing each of these one at a time:
1. Fish oil
2. Probiotics
3. Green drink
4. Pantethine
5. Liponano-C
6. Quantum
7. Ascorbic acid w/bioflavanoids
8. B-Complex
9. Chromium- Re: Anyone Else? feo66
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This is a reply to # 1,611,232All good stuff.
I don't know about the chromium or what is is supposed to do.
I used to think that Dr Lam said things like "must be used under the direction of a knowledgeable physician. Self administered programs can do more damage". However, there have been a couple of times where I had some pretty weird stuff going on and would not have figured it out by myself.
I was on LipoNano C for 5 months and all of a sudden my body rejected it and I started to get worse. So he has me taking a 2 month break from LipoNano C. He says they often see it in advanced cases, but can not explain it. If I was by myself, I might have tried taking more!
So if you can afford the supplements, it would be worth getting some guidance from Dorine. That LipoNano-C is powerful stuff- Re: Anyone Else? No Unicorns
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This is a reply to # 1,611,246Could you describe your *advanced* case?
Maybe you had replenished your adrenals after the five months, and any additional use was overkill?- Re: Anyone Else? feo66
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This is a reply to # 1,611,281I definitely wasn't replenished. All of my adrenal symptoms were getting worse.
I felt like I was moving on to stage 4. (as described on Dr Lam's site). After 12 hrs sleep I could barely stand up I was so exhausted. Almost collapsing in the shower. I had nauseau, near vomitting, stomach cramps, gas. My muscle loss accelerated.
After 2 weeks off of the LipoNano C and Quantum, I'm starting to feel better. More energy, digestion improved. I can't explain why. Dr Lam can't explain why. But he says that it is common as part of recovery for the body to temporarily reject these.
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This is a reply to # 1,611,415Although not as bad as you stated, this is kind of where I'm at currently.
Taking a showering wipes me out, as does just going out to run simple errands like grocery shopping.
How the hell did you go to work feeling like that?- Re: Anyone Else? feo66
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This is a reply to # 1,611,476It wasn't easy. They way I was feeling, I thought I was going to have to stop working.
Although definitely a no-no, I would have half a cup of coffee.
Like I said, feeling a little better the last couple of weeks. Slept great last night. I'm actually dreaming more, which is a sign of deeper sleep. I went for about 3 years that I could never remember a dream. Having an easier time waking up. Not feeling like I'm coming out of a coma.
Oddly enough...Dr Lam says what I am going through is called a "resetting period" The body rebels against some supplements. He said that usually after this "resetting" they see an improvement.- Re: Anyone Else? No Unicorns
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This is a reply to # 1,611,498Lam is right. You'll also notice, as part of your dreaming, that if they tend to vere toward nightmares the longer you stay asleep, that it is a blood Sugar issue.
- Re: Anyone Else? Naturalpath
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This is a reply to # 1,611,498Interesting, I just realized that I'm starting to dream again myself. I had forgotten that I wasn't dreaming.
So you're saying this means that I am sleeping deeper?- Re: Anyone Else? feo66
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This is a reply to # 1,611,570
Yup. I first noticed it when I started working with Dr Lam
You have to make it to stage 5 to dream
http://www.sleepdisorderchannel.com/stages/index.shtml
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This is a reply to # 1,611,647Nice! That means I'm starting to "reset" my sleep pattern.
I truly believe that without proper sleep all the supplements and good food in the world is not gonna help us heal from this.
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This is a reply to # 1,611,232
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This is an excellent supplement as well. Stress results in magnesium deficiency....magnesium deficiency leads to more stress. It's one of these viscuous cycle things.
Dr Rind started me on this supplement and Dr Lam agrees that it is a good supplement.
If you have chocolate cravings....that's a sure sign of magnesium deficiency.
http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T29226.html
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This is a reply to # 1,611,286What do you mean?
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