Thank you, you made my day.
"George
W. Bush is one of the NWO's heroes. He's a born-again Christian?
So is Clinton(supposedly). Whats yer point?"
Dubya is an evangelical - Billy isn't.
"That skepdic article is garbage propaganda. More proof of incompetence and coincidence theories that are incompetent. The part about vaccines is especially telling. The stupidest part is how they try to explain how and what people think. Hah! what a transparent pathetic article, surely you can't be serious."
Fantastic, well thought out reasoning.
"Being a person that lives in the US police state I can tell you that is what it is."
Tell me what date in U. S. history would you (and your NWO companions) like to return to?
"What caused prisons to be a growth industry in California?"
Actually, it is the irrationality of our sentencing system where a black adolescent in Texas got five years in prison for possessing less than an ounce of marijuana and all of our drug laws are stupid!!!
The marjority of our federal prison population are there because of drug related offenses - due to the demands of an evangelical/conservative population and state laws follow right along with them.
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/federal.htm
The chart below reflects the number of federal prisoners who are sentenced, by year - with the last number being the total percentage of all prisoners sentenced for drug related crimes. This carries over into the state systems as well. You will notice that it all began right after the 1960s - an era that the Christian Right deplores to this day.
1970______21,266___20,686_____3,384______16.3%
1971______20,891___20,529_____3,495______17__
1972______22,090___20,729_____3,523______16.9
1973______23,336___22,038_____5,652______25.6
1974______23,690___21,769_____6,203______28.4
1975______23,566___20,692_____5,540______26.7
1976______27,033___24,135_____6,425______26.6
1977______29,877___25,673_____6,743______26.2
1978______27,674___23,501_____5,981______25.4
1979______24,810___21,539_____5,468______25.3
1980______24,252___19,023_____4,749______24.9
1981______26,195___19,765_____5,076______25.6
1982______28,133___20,938_____5,518______26.3
1983______30,214___26,027_____7,201______27.6
1984______32,317___27,622_____8,152______29.5
1985______36,042___27,623_____9,491______34.3
1986______37,542___30,104____11,344______37.7
1987______41,609___33,246____13,897______41.8
1988______41,342___33,758____15,087______44.7
1989______47,568___37,758____18,852______49.9
1990______54,613___46,575____24,297______52.2
1991______61,026___52,176____29,667______56.9
1992______67,768___59,516____35,398______59.5
1993______76,531___68,183____41,393______60.7
1994______82,269___73,958____45,367______61.3
1995______85,865___76,947____46,669______60.7
1996______89,672___80,872____49,096______60.7
1997______95,513___87,294____52,059______59.6
1998_____104,507___95,323____55,984______58.7
1999_____115,024__104,500____60,399______57.8
2000_____123,141__112,329____63,898______56.9
2001_____131,419__120,829____67,037______55.5
2002_____139,183__128,090____70,009______54.7
2003_____148,731__137,536____75,801______55.1
2004_____154,706__143,864____77,867______54.1
We have more and more people in prisons because the evangelicals want them
there. It is the very people who FEAR a NWO that put them
there.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=720102
Murder, Meth, Mammon, and Moral Values: The Political Landscape of American Sentencing Reform
Evangelicals want more people in prison, not less. Those providing an abortion or looking for one, homosexuals, just to mention a few. It is the NWO evangelicals who wish not only to implement their own NWO, they wish to incarcerate everyone who doesn't believe as they do.
If you are living in a police state then what the hell are you still doing in the USA? You ARE free to exit.
I admire your fervor and applaud your activism. However, I am not so sure just how terrorized "they" are. You are talking about the people that own most of the wealth and property in the world, control most of the governments in the world, and control virtually all of the media, especially in the western world. Compared to that, a relatively small group of gadflys who think that they can pull a few rabbits out of the hat and rely on a constitution that "they" largely ignore may find themselves little more effective than the little Chinese fellow holding the flower in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square back when the dissidents thought they were going to reform China in 1989.
We can do it if enough folks wake up and get with the program - and maybe what you are doing will help some see the light. Until that happens, watch out for those tanks.
"You are talking about the people that own most of the wealth and property in the world, control most of the governments in the world, and control virtually all of the media, especially in the western world."
I was first in line to buy and read Pat Robertson's New World Order when it came out and found that it was almost verbatim of what I had been spoon fed in the 1930s and 1940s - long, long, before it became popular. The book was/is pure nonsense, filled with circular references (Robertson references other NWO books, but not facts) - the very things that are being used by NWO believers today. (In the process my respect for Yale law school went from about 98% down to about 2% - that's where Pat got his PhD and how he did it, I'll never know.) I'm very familiar with the overview of the NWO though I simply don't keep up nor care about all the nuances that keep arising.
I agree that the continuous concentration of media in fewer and fewer hands is deplorable, but that is totally offset by the explosion of the Internet and the ability of anyone who wishes to, to become their own media promoter. That is one factor that has advanced the mythical NWO.
Your statement above does not take into account the fact that wealth is being redistributed internationally, nor the fact that freedoms are being granted worldwide that have never existed before in recorded history. (No need to point out the world wide poverty and suppression of human rights in many areas, I'm referring to where we're at relative to where we've been.) Are you even aware of the horrendous flow of capital/cash to China in the past thirty years? Are you aware of the explosion of freedoms that the Chinese people have been granted in the past thirty years? I use China as but one example (you can also look at Korea, India and other Asian countries too) because I traveled their 30 years ago as they were just beginning to grant freedom to individuals. It was in Beijing that I saw their very first internal free market, a small affair no larger than a square block with stands selling consumer goods. Each vendor had to have a license which was displayed in a tag around their neck and the Chinese law at that time was that you could not employ anyone else in your stall or anywhere in any private enterprise for that matter. The explosion in private ownership (which was forbidden when I was there), private enterprise, and real live capitalism in China is absolutely astounding. Yet the anti-Semitic NWO folks completely ignore that part of the world or think that somehow the "Biladaburg Group" owns China and everyone else in that region. At the time I was in Beijing there were 8 million bicycles with almost no automobiles. You cannot believe the masses of bicycles you had to get through to cross the street. Today 2010, China will sell more automobiles than the USA. You think that the Bildaburgs own China! Hah!!! Personal freedom there today far exceeds anything that I witnessed among the then Mao suit wearing population. By the way, this has been possible with the outsourcing of American jobs.
I also lived in Korea 60 years ago. Are the Bildaburgs there too? If so, all I can say is they did a fantastic job with it. The Korea that I lived in hadn't changed in 2,000 years. No neon. No lights of any kind on the streets for that matter. The streets in the 200,000 population city where I spent a couple of months were dirt - not even gravel, and I saw one civilian automobile and lots of honey carts.
Those who believe that a one-world government is somehow going to take over a world that is actually falling apart - is beyond my comprehension. Planet Earth has more abundance and more freedoms than at any other time in recorded history and some people simply can't stand it.
I admire your optimism too, but perhaps not your rose-colored blinders which you use to read Snopes with and view the world behind.
Of course China and other countries have more freedom today - though I would hardly point to China and it's censored internet and prisons full of dissidents as a bastion of freedom. We should expect the so-called freedoms and the standard of living of China and other countries to rise, even the third world countries, just as our freedoms and standards of living continue to fall. It is called convergence and it is part an parcel of the world coming under the absolute control of the few who are served by as many as are needed to provide the goods and services for the elite. Too bad about the "useless eaters" who won't be around because they take up resources that the elite figure as their right by birth.
Like I said, watch out for those tanks.
"I admire your optimism too, but perhaps not your rose-colored blinders which you use to read Snopes with and view the world behind.
Of course China and other countries have more freedom today - though I would hardly point to China and it's censored internet and prisons full of dissidents as a bastion of freedom. We should expect the so-called freedoms and the standard of living of China and other countries to rise, even the third world countries, just as our freedoms and standards of living continue to fall. It is called convergence and it is part an parcel of the world coming under the absolute control of the few who are served by as many as are needed to provide the goods and services for the elite. Too bad about the "useless eaters" who won't be around because they take up resources that the elite figure as their right by birth.
Like I said, watch out for those tanks."
Where in the post that you are responding to do I even mention Snopes? China "and it's censored internet and prisons full of dissidents hardly a bastion of freedom?" Where did I say that. I said I was comparing it to where it used to be and now they are the most free that they've been in their recorded history - emperors, or chairman. The life expectancy in China when the Communists took over in 1947 was 27 years and they had rampant inflation as well. There were carts roaming the streets of the major cities picking up dead bodies of the starving on a daily basis. My brother saw it in Shanghai in 1945 and anyone who was there during the rule of the murderous "Christian" Chaing Kai-shek (he and Mao studied together in Moscow) knows it as fact as well yet many of the NWO aficionados want to return to that era. Mao for all his murderous rule (he was no worse than Chaing) stopped inflation and raised the standard of living as well as life expectancy. For the peasant, of which there were literally millions, life couldn't be better today. I spoke truth - not through rose colored glasses. Tell me where I stretched it.
"Our freedoms and standards of living continue to fall?" My oh my. You have nothing to backup your statements at all. We are still the freest and most abundant country on the planet in recorded history and the planet is likewise the freest and most abundant it's ever been in recorded history.
That mythical world in which "useless eaters" won't be around - where is that happening now? Why do all NWO folks have to live in some dreary futuristic fantasy world instead of enjoying the beautiful planet that's around us now?
Tanks???? More fear and death - which is what NWO folks for some reason have to live by. They can't stand happiness and prosperity. Ever hear of Kent State? Right here in the United States of America? How about Wounded Knee? What about the decades of segregation, lynchings, and denial of citizenship that we (I'm a white male) imposed on a large percentage of our population - just because of their color? Which continues to some extent today. My mother was denied the right to vote until she was 30 years old - just because she was female. The FBI, the CIA, and even the Pentagon have infiltrated and tried to arrest and otherwise disrupt legitimate and legal groups which have formed to promote peace in this world and they have done it right up to this very day.
It is the Right Wing here in the good old U.S. of A. that wants to impose a NWO as long as it's under their control. It will never happen, and a NWO one world government will not happen either - not in your lifetime, nor in your great, great, great, grandchildren's lifetimes either.
The white male dominated world is crumbling and will continue to crumble and the process isn't particularly pretty, but it's happening and I'm enjoying every minute of it. That is the real NWO and those who don't like change are going bananas.
Have a good evening Tony.
Saying that we are still the freest and most abundant country is akin to saying that we still have both arms and one leg compared to the four we used to have. It is also not quite accurate according to accepted measurements of abundance and freedom. In 2005 we ranked 15th in the world in standard of living and that standard has declined precipitously since the Bush and Obama bailouts for the international bankers. In 2009 we ranked 9th among the countries with the most freedoms.
Continuing to try to spend our way out of a problem caused by overspending in the first place is doomed to further erode our standard of living. Given the excesses of the Patriot Act and the continued centralization of power our freedom ranking is likely to decline even further as well.
We could debate the existence of the NWO ad infinitum, but it is really not my intent to argue with you. I am just saying that I admire what you are doing and cautioning you against being overly optimistic. And I really do hope you are right about the NWO not happening in my lifetime of that of several successive generations. I personally think that we the people will have to wake up and take action to keep that from happening. On the other hand, I am the eternal optimist who, despite what it may appear in some of my posts in the debate forums, nevertheless continues to find great joy and wonder in the world. I have a great love for my fellow man and am usually found with a smile on my face and a song of hope in my heart. Not to mention more than a little mischief in my eyes . . .

You have a good evening too!
"Saying that we are still the freest and most abundant country is akin to saying that we still have both arms and one leg compared to the four we used to have. It is also not quite accurate according to accepted measurements of abundance and freedom. In 2005 we ranked 15th in the world in standard of living and that standard has declined precipitously since the Bush and Obama bailouts for the international bankers. In 2009 we ranked 9th among the countries with the most freedoms."
My oh my Tony. We are still the freest and most abundant country in recorded history. In relation to where we've been. IF other countries have a higher standard of living - why isn't there a mass exodus there by people such as yourself? In terms of guns which is how some of the NWO folks like to measure their freedoms - no other country has as much freedom as we do.
"Continuing to try to spend our way out of a problem caused by overspending in the first place is doomed to further erode our standard of living. Given the excesses of the Patriot Act and the continued centralization of power our freedom ranking is likely to decline even further as well."
Our standard of living has not eroded. Not at all. Bush inherited a balanced budget. What did he and the Republicans do with it? For all the evils that government spending is, it's what pulled us out of the depression and financed WWII whereby we were able to become the greatest nation in history that we are.
"On the other hand, I am the eternal optimist who, despite what it may appear in some of my posts in the debate forums, nevertheless continues to find great joy and wonder in the world. I have a great love for my fellow man and am usually found with a smile on my face and a song of hope in my heart. Not to mention more than a little mischief in my eyes . . ."
As I've mentioned before, a couple of years ago I did some reading on your personal web site and in there I remember that you were being pursued by the CIA/FBI or whatever and at the time of your writing you were obviously still looking over your shoulder. If you find that to be a "great joy" then so be it. The world does have many blessings and all you have to do is to open your eyes and find them and living in the present moment and admiring everything around you is a great way to do it. Getting caught up in the crap that's going on in the rest of the world isn't living - it's a form of dying. Our memories are so short - mine included. I still vividly remember when we had 10% of our entire population in uniform fighting to save this country and at that time they were required to wear their uniforms at all times so they were highly visible. Talk about fear. I still remember coming home from church with my family on Sunday December 10th 1941 and turning on the radio and learning that Pearl Harbor had been attacked. At 10 years old I didn't quite know what to make of it but I understood clearly that we had the potential to be attacked because our living on salt water/Seattle/Tacoma made us a prime target. Yet your favorite president one FDR said that "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" and we not only made it through WWII we triumphed. Yet I look around today at the purveyors of a NWO and simply shake my head. They don't even know what difficulties mean.
Keep that mischief going in your eyes because in everything there is something to laugh about. I'm also reminded that the Chinese character for crisis is made up of two characters - one for danger, and one for opportunity. Each day presents a new opportunity and to hell with the Bilderburgs because what they are doing doesn't affect me one bit.
Speaking of short-lived memories, you have it totally wrong regarding my ever being pursued by the FBI, CIA or any other government agency. I was pursued by hired thugs working for a felon after I helped expose his bogus drug scam and reported him to the FDA, FBI, and SEC. Yeah, I surely did look over my shoulder and did not have a tremendous amount of joy when the guy who was after me was a member of a white supremicist group and was wanted for failure to appear in the Oklahoma bombing trial of Terry Nichols.
History shows that it was the deficit spending of WWII and not any government spending prior to that which pulled us out of the Great Depression. Until WWII, government spending only served to lengthen the depression. Unlike the spending we are seeing today, the spending in WWII was linked to manufacturing for the war. Far too many of our manufacturing jobs are now in Mexico and third world countries.
The Masonic tool of the NWO Roosevelt is no favorite of mine. I bet when you heard the news about Pearl Harbor you had no idea that Roosevelt deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking and knew about the attack in advance. If you don't believe me, then instead of a book by the buffoon Pat Robertson, you should pick up a copy of "Day of Deceit" by Robert Stinnett. Or you could take a look at this review of the book and interview:
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=408
I do indeed find much joy in the world. Yet I cannot let my joy blind me to the deterioration of our countries standards of living, our deteriorating morals and our deteriorating freedoms. By and large I have lived a good life and enjoyed lots of freedom and opportunity and I would like for my son and my granddaughter to be able to have the same freedoms and opportunities I had.
Anyway, as we said earlier, have a pleasant evening (though it is now the wee hours of the morning for me).
"Speaking of short-lived memories, you have it totally wrong regarding my ever being pursued by the FBI, CIA or any other government agency. I was pursued by hired thugs working for a felon after I helped expose his bogus drug scam and reported him to the FDA, FBI, and SEC. Yeah, I surely did look over my shoulder and did not have a tremendous amount of joy when the guy who was after me was a member of a white supremicist group and was wanted for failure to appear in the Oklahoma bombing trial of Terry Nichols."
Short-lived memory? I got the running and hiding part correct. As you've written in another thread - you're still paranoid. Paranoia is driven by fear.
"History shows that it was the deficit spending of WWII and not any government spending prior to that which pulled us out of the Great Depression. Until WWII, government spending only served to lengthen the depression. Unlike the spending we are seeing today, the spending in WWII was linked to manufacturing for the war. Far too many of our manufacturing jobs are now in Mexico and third world countries."
Not really. Many economists conclude that we were well on our way out of the depression by 1939.
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=...
This paper examines the role of aggregate-demand stimulus in ending the Great Depression. Plausible estimates of the effects of fiscal and monetary changes indicate that nearly all the observed recovery of the U.S. economy prior to 1942 was due to monetary expansion. A huge gold inflow in the mid- and late 1930s swelled the money stock and stimulated the economy by lowering real interest rates and encouraging investment spending and purchases of durable goods. That monetary developments were crucial to the recovery implies that self-correction played little role in the growth of real output between 1933 and 1942.
"The Masonic tool of the NWO Roosevelt is no favorite of mine. I bet when you heard the news about Pearl Harbor you had no idea that Roosevelt deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking and knew about the attack in advance. If you don't believe me, then instead of a book by the buffoon Pat Robertson, you should pick up a copy of "Day of Deceit" by Robert Stinnett. Or you could take a look at this review of the book and interview:"
Yes, I agree that Robertson is a buffoon, and so are all of those who have bought into the hypocrisy that there is international control of banking and politics as he does.
More paranoia. The myth that FDR deliberately provoked the Pearl Harbor attack has been debunked by The History Channel and many other renowned sources.
"I do indeed find much joy in the world. Yet I cannot let my joy blind me to the deterioration of our countries standards of living, our deteriorating morals and our deteriorating freedoms. By and large I have lived a good life and enjoyed lots of freedom and opportunity and I would like for my son and my granddaughter to be able to have the same freedoms and opportunities I had."
Tony, you've never ever had it so good. Neither your standard of living nor mine has deteriorated and neither has our morals. A "moral" is simply a body level ethic and one person's morality is another persons delight. There is no such thing as right or wrong, good or bad, only one's perception of what they see through however they have painted their lenses. There is "more" child abuse than ever before because finally, for the first time in history it is becoming easier for a child to report it and for school counselors and medical professionals to understand it and to contact authorities about it. There is more divorce because women have been given more freedoms to unload disruptive relationships when in former times they had to suffer in silence. I find it very interesting, for example, that the biggest cry babies regarding morality and "family values" (there is no such thing) are the evangelicals who have the highest divorce rate in the USA and are trying to hide the abuse within their own ranks that exceeds by far, anything that's happening within the Catholic Church. You can take you "moral" high road and take it back to the Dark Ages if you wish, but the planet will continue on with or without you.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
The slogan: "The family that prays together, stays together" is well known. There has been much anecdotal evidence that has led to "unsubstantiated claims that the divorce rate for Christians who attended church regularly, pray together or who meet other conditions is only 1 or 2 percent". Emphasis ours]. Dr. Tom Ellis, chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention's Council on the Family said that for "...born-again Christian couples who marry...in the church after having received premarital counseling...and attend church regularly and pray daily together..." experience only 1 divorce out of nearly 39,000 marriages -- or 0.00256 percent.
A recent study by the Barna Research Group throws extreme doubt on these estimates. Barna released the results of their poll about divorce on 1999-DEC-21. They had interviewed 3,854 adults from the 48 contiguous states. The margin of error is ±2 percentage points. The survey found:
11% of the adult population is currently divorced.
25% of adults have had at least one divorce during their lifetime.
The Barna Research Group is headed by George Barna, a born-again Christian.
Tell me just one opportunity that are no longer available to your offspring that you had?
Your anti-Semitism is typical of the NWO folks and is generally accompanied by an antiquated white male (I'm a white male) supremacist mentality.
The old world is dying and I ain't holding no funeral for it, in fact I'm watching it - and loving it.
IF the NWO folks have created all the opportunities and increased standard of living that is being experienced by the entire planet, then more power to them. Yet it has been happening due to the raising of the spiritual energy by millions of enlightened people.
Thank you for an intelligent response - even though I don't agree with it.
You obviously spent a lot of time on your response. Unfortunately, it is all shot down by this one excerpt:
so are all of those (buffoons) who have bought into the hypocrisy that there is international control of banking and politics
If you are unaware of the global control of banking and politics then you are woefully unaware of what is going on in the world.
"If you are unaware of the global control of banking and politics then you are woefully unaware of what is going on in the world."
Tony, you've got it backwards. You of all people. You have an on-line business and unless you are demanding a cash remittance via snail mail you are in concert with the "global control" that you think exists. If you and everyone else thinks as you do - you could close down your on-line business, open a store front and demand payment in person in cash only. That's the way much of the world operated 150 years ago (along with barter), and you can still do it today. Until you totally avoid banking of any kind, you're simply not practicing what you say you believe.
I could give you an extensive history of banking or even just a smattering but you simply wouldn't understand it. In the past 150 years in particular the world has shrunk. It has become a global emporium and to participate in the emporium requires international banking - far from perfect as I've said before and I think that Bernanke of the Federal Reserve is woefully unqualified for his position. He isn't being controlled by "global bankers" - he's just plain stupid. Sorry Mr. George W. Bush, but that permeated your administration from the top.
You can provide all the links you wish but it doesn't change the fact that we are now more than ever a global community that requires cooperation in order to exist. If you see that cooperation as a conspiracy, then there are conspiracies on every street corner, in every neighborhood, and in every family.
Below are some notes from the current G20 meeting which is trying to resolve the world economic ills and the Greek problem in particular. Tell me - who is in the center controlling all of these conflicting statements? The farther we travel in time on this planet, the more that cooperation amongst nations and peoples will be required, and the more that happens the more some folks will go nuts.
You have your focus externally. Real freedom begins within. I have personally known several, from survivors of the Bataan Death March to one who was pulled from a stack of dead bodies in a Nazi concentration camp, all of whom had more freedom during the most severe portion of their torture and incarceration than do the NWO freaks in their own warm, safe, homes of today. You're still paranoid and living in fear.
Who is orchestrating the following meeting? Why are the statements conflicting if there is someone controlling them? Do you suppose that Angela Merkel is acting cantankerous because George W. Bush isn't giving her a back rub? Or do you deny the fact that she has a voice of her own? Gimme answers Tony.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100424-701068.html?mod=WSJ_World_MIDDLE...
APRIL 24, 2010, 4:46 P.M. ET
LIVE: News And Notes From G-20, IMF And World Bank Meetings In Washington
World financial leaders are gathered in Washington for three days of meetings on the global economy. Among the issues greeting them: the Greek debt crisis, unwinding the stimulus measures put in place during the financial crisis and whether to tax banks for funds to protect against future crises.
On Saturday, Greek financial officials were slated to hold bilateral talks with the U.S., Brazil and Russia and meet with IMF Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn. The International Monetary Fund's International Monetary and Financial Committee also meets to provide direction to the IMF's policies, including possible expansion of its mandate and giving developing countries more power within the institution. Saturday's events follow a G-20 meeting of finance ministers, where leaders failed to reach any specific agreements but said world economies were recovering better than previously anticipated.
(16:45 EDT) Germany's hard line in the Greek debt crisis is beginning to look distinctly unfashionable. While everyone else from Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner to U.K. Chancellor Alistair Darling is insisting on a quick agreement on the conditions of the aid package and a speedy disbursement, Angela Merkel is holding out for more evidence of "credible austerity" before she writes Greece a check. The degree of her isolation became clear when the fiscally righteous Dutch argued that "too much time is being spent in the process." The reason for German intransigence is clear: Merkel knows that any aid check will outrage domestic voters, and there's barely a week to go before elections in Germany's biggest state, North Rhine-Westphalia. (Geoffrey Smith)
(15:30 EDT) Italian Finance Minister Giulio Tremonti is a sly politician. His latest trick over Italy's public debt may be believed by the public back at home, but international markets are unlikely to buy it. Tremonti attempted to downplay Italy's huge debt load, which compared to the size of its economy was higher than Greece's in 2009, by going on Italian-controlled TV and waving a table he said was from the IMF that "showed Italy alongside Germany on public debt." But official European numbers show that the debt of Germany, known for its fiscal rectitude, stood at 73.2% of GDP in 2009. Italy's debt was 115.8% of GDP last year, slightly higher than Greece's 115.1% of GDP. So what was the table about? Tremonti's spokesman brought a copy and, yes, it does show Italy next to Germany and Canada. But it's only a complex estimate of budget cuts that would be required to cut the debt to 60% of GDP in 2030--and no source is mentioned. (Luca Di Leo)
(15:26 EDT) Questions about the Greece crisis dominated a closing press conference of the IMF's monetary and financial committee, but answers didn't. IMF head Strauss-Kahn was ready for the onslaught with a concise--and polite--no comment. "All the results of the negotiations the IMF has with the Greeks will be available at the end of the negotiations," Strauss-Kahn said, shutting down the first Greek question with political precision. This answer or one like it applied each time as reporters probed for details on the Greek aid package, such as whether the beleaguered euro-zone country needs more aid than the EUR45 billion package being discussed. (Mark H. Anderson and Tom Barkley)
(15:11 EDT) Argentina continues to maintain its black sheep reputation in the international community. After Finance Minister Amado Boudou nixed the prospects of reaching an agreement with the IMF to restart economic surveillance consultations earlier this week, fund officials made it clear the country's refusal to share economic information is a hindrance to both its own economic progress and to others in an increasingly economically interdependent world. That Argentina is in the G-20 and thus by definition a "systemically important" country makes this all the more important, said Nicolas Eyzaguirre, the fund's director for the western hemisphere. "Not having full information about one country that is systemically important impairs the ability of other ones to design their policies in the best possible way," Eyzaguirre said. (Michael Casey)
(13:27 EDT) Could Greece get some help from cash-rich China? People's Bank of China's deputy governor Yi Gang didn't give a straight answer when asked by reporters earlier Saturday morning. Instead, Yi said China was a stable force in financial markets and that he is confident the EU and the euro zone would address the Greece problems. Still, China has more than $2 trillion foreign reserves, the world's largest, and could play a secondary stabilizing role if the bailout package gave China confidence to buy some Greek bonds. (Min Zeng)
(13:16 EDT) Oil cartel OPEC took advantage of the IMF meeting to push its argument that speculation--and not simple supply and demand fundamentals--is largely to blame for crude price volatility. It said regulatory reform--one of the issues that world finance ministers are focusing on here--would be a key factor to avoid future price spikes and encourage market stability. It also signaled that despite prices that are threatening to push to $90 a barrel, it's taking a wait-and-see attitude to adding oil to the market. Although there are positive indications of a global recovery, there are mixed economic signals from the biggest consumer of oil, OECD states, and building petroleum inventories, said OPEC's head of petroleum studies Mohammad Alipour-Jeddi. (Ian Talley)
(13:16 EDT) Mario Draghi seems prescient Friday by suggesting the G-20 consider any bank tax proposals against a holistic approach to financial reform, which the Financial Stability Board chairman said would help "counter financial industry claims that the reforms could derail the economic and financial recovery." Sure enough, the G-20 received a letter Saturday from the Institute of International Finance--made up of world's largest financial institutions--complaining about the "extra potential burden" from bank taxes on top of possible tougher capital and liquidity requirements. IIF Managing Director Charles Dallara echoed Draghi's warning, saying the IMF's proposal for a flat tax on liabilities could actually discourage low-risk business and work against efforts to reduce systemic risk. (Tom Barkley)
(11:34 EDT) World financial leaders are engaged in a not-so-artful dance with China as they try to pressure Beijing into revaluing its currency, the yuan, without offending it. To save face, it seems, the undervalued yuan got no formal reference in the official G-20 communique Friday. That didn't stop U.S. Treasury Secretary Geithner from saying afterwards that he expects China to reform its currency regime "because it is in their interest." Nor did it stop EU economic and monetary affairs commissioner Olli Rehn from stating Saturday that "Chinese authorities are encouraged to implement soon a more flexible exchange rate regime." For his part, Brazilian finance minister Guido Mantega said the yuan-dollar peg "hurts other countries," but he said the real problem is the weak dollar. Mantega also threw out a curve ball: He and his Chinese counterpart, Xie Xuren, are discussing some sort of "differentiated exchange rate regime" so that bilateral trade can be conducted in "local currencies" to "avoid fluctuations" caused by the dollar's movements. Huh? (Michael Casey)
(10:29 EDT) Where's Papa? Greek Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou reportedly arrived in Washington in the dark of night Saturday wearing a tracksuit and checked into a luxury hotel near the White House. But the Greek financial delegation later sneaked past teams of journalists unnoticed and, presumably, found its way into the secure perimeter where world financial leaders were huddled for a day of meetings. Papaconstantinou on Saturday is expected to meet privately with the IMF's Strauss-Kahn, U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Brazilian and Russian financial leaders. (Mark H. Anderson and Luca Di Leo
"Who
is orchestrating the following meeting? Why are the statements conflicting if
there is someone controlling them?"
"Do you think all members of a criminal organization see eye to eye?
Mafia families work together and fight each other. Why not the global elite?"
But that then flies in the face of what the NWO aficionados want us to believe which is that there is one destination, one ruling order and eventually a single ruling government. By the way, there was never a cohesive Mafia territory. It was made up of families in different geographic locations under different control, but with cooperation. Kind of like the United States of Mafia. Yes, they did have battles and killed rivals and wiped out rival gangs - that's but one small reason we will never ever have a one world government.
The G20 meeting that was just held had 20 nations plus members of the IMF in attendance as well Arab/OPEC (Jewish????) representatives. Tell me now how in the world all of their "secret" strings and meeting communications can be hidden from public view. The president of the USA can't fart without it being public knowledge - how do our one world government folks get away with it?
By the way, I'm cheering for the New World Order that we are all experiencing and I'm having a ball watching it. It is a new era of cooperation and the falling apart of old political structures, just the opposite of what the Pat Robertson's of the world are predicting. That's why so many people went absolutely crazy when we got a woman leader of the House of Representatives and a black president. Couldn't stand it. Still can't. (I could care less what you think of Robertson, if you believe in a Masonic/Illuminati/one world government hidden agenda, you're all in the same bag.)
http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/index.php?news=507
Pat Robertson is a NWO shill. It's called controlled opposition.