>>Just because someone breaks out this does not mean it is from bromine,
No one has claimed that the only cause of acne is bromide/ine.
Try reading the thread and apply this to the context of the thread.
>> which is what was being discussed.
Iodine from milk causing acne is being discussed.
Iodine in general causing acne in some sensitive individuals is being discussed.
>>I am still waiting for the people claiming this to provide some solid proof to this claim.
Hold that thought.
I know I will be holding this thought for a long, long time all because the people attacking me have ABSOLUTELY NO evidence to back their claims. That is why they keep responding with attacks in lieu of real evidence.
>>But the point i was getting to is that these halogens are more predominant in our society and we have much higher levels of exposure to these halogens that we do bromine. But they are making it sound like bromine is in everything so most people will have excess bromine in their system.
Wrong. Ask "them" about fluoride and metals and...
They made no mention of these. Their response was that the iodine was displacing the BROMINE, not fluoride, not metals....... Again read what was actually said, not what you think was said.
>>But if this were the case then the MAJORITY of the population would have acne. But this obviously is not the case.
Queue up one hundred American men and women buck naked and I'll bet my left (blank) that over 50% would have "acne" somewhere.
I did not realize that you had a set of 'blanks'. Regardless you are straying from the topic and what they claimed. Again where is the proof that iodine causes acne because it is displacing iodine? It is a simple question, so why can't I get an answer from the people who are claiming this?
>>If it were fact I would also expect there to be a lot of research backing up these claims.
Seriously??
Well I guess that answers my last question. So you are saying that there is NO evidence to back the bromine hypothesis, but you agree with those bashing me because I posted evidence that iodine can cause acne. And you think this makes sense how?!!!!
>>But again the research is seriously lacking. But they take what few studies that are available and twist them in to a scare tactic. For example the claim about bromism from excessive soda consumption. Well here is a study so let's review it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9140329
As you read the study we find out that the study is based on ONE case. Yet the people arguing with me try to make it sound like we have a widespread epidemic of bromine poisoning because they found one study about one person developing bromism. Or they read the claim from the first person who made this claim and ran with it without ever checking their facts. In fact the first line of the abstract states "Bromism is an UNUSUAL occurrence".
At the risk and expense of repeating myself...nevermind.
You did not have to repeat yourself at all. It was already EXTREMELY clear that the whole bromide claim lacks any evidence. That is why no evidence of the claim is being presented. And you cannot blame the lack of evidence on some big conspiracy. I was able to find evidence of iodine induced acne, so there should be proof somewhere to prove the iodine causes acne through bromide release somewhere if the claim was true.
So there is no need to continue going in circles with you. It is just a waste of time and I realize you cannot provide evidence when none exists. But I would appreciate if you and your buddies would stop making unsubstantiated and unproven claims here and stating them as fact.
And if you don't like the evidence I post here nobody is forcing you to be here. If you want to hear unsubstantiated claims to believe in then you can join the others making these claims on the iodine boards.
I agree. Acne though is a minor potential side effect of iodine supplementation. What would have happened if I mentioned the more serious side effects of excess iodine supplementation? Would they have hunted me down and lynched me?
although I know that Hv doesn't endorse kelp
Yes I do. I just gave a long explanation in my previous post. Kelp is a seaweed. And I use various seaweeds in my products.
I'm very sorry, I thought there were specific problems with kelp, so is this product ok to alternate with the dulse? it actually contains some dulse too.
The only commercial algae that I have a problem with is the blue-green algae being harvested from Klamath Lake. This algae is toxic.
Dulse is another form of seaweed/kelp. I think this is where you were thinking I was against seaweeds/kelp. Certain seaweeds such as bladderwrack and dulse are rich in polysaccharides. These are not good in cases of autoimmunity since they increase white blood cell activity and thus the rate of destruction.
a question to Hv:
since I began taking iodine, a month ago, with lugol's initially and then in natural form, I've generally felt it's doing good to me, my feet in particular don't hurt so much any more when I walk. But I'm having these monstrous pimples coming out in my face, I normally don't tend to any acne so it's the iodine. I remember in the iodine forum they used to mention something like bromine-acne? could it be that? I never had the habit of soft drinks, but I had plenty of sweeteners like aspartame or similar since young age. What can I do to help my body eliminate the bromine - or whatever it is- in another way? this way of the pimples is definitely not too convenient, but I can bear it if it's only temporary
It IS NOT from bromine, it is the iodine. We just had a thread on this recently that ended up in a debate. But the research I did verified that iodine can cause acne in some sensitive individuals. Here was the thread:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1581532#i
And a recent thread on bromine:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1584817#i
Sorry, I wasn't aware of these threads as unfortunately I don't have much time to follow the forum, and CZ in general.
No problem. It is actually good that these threads get reposted anyway so more people will be aware of these potential side effects. And most people will not have the time or energy to dig through all the posts looking for previously posted information. So I don't mind reposting the links.
Whatever the cause, I suppose that it wouldn't hurt to lower the dosage a bit? At the moment I'm taking 4 caps a day. In the label they say 3 a day with meals, but I eat most often only twice a day so I thought I could go for 2 caps per meal, twice a day. Would you suggest to reduce it to 1 caps twice a day?
Since the problem is with excess iodine being pushed out through the pores it would be a good idea to reduce your intake. This is actually a great example of more not always being better.
on another note, I do remember a post of yours on acne as connected to problems with the liver, and I know my liver needs some care too. Curiously, every time I happened to supplement with iodine I also had random pain in the liver, years ago after a few weeks with lugols the pain got quite serious until I expelled 2 flukes, and after that it disappeared. So now it could be that some other fluke is around and that the iodine is disturbing it. I certainly need to address the health of my liver a bit better in the immediate future.
- sorry Infinitelove for hijacking your thread with my personal questions, I'm finished now :) -
Not a problem. That is in large part why this forum is here for so we can all share.
The red bumps can be easily explained by the simple fact that excess iodine being pushed out of the pores irritates the pores. The irritation leads to inflammation, thus little red bumps. A white head is only going to form if there is an immune reaction against a pathogen. The white pus is white blood cells that die fighting the pathogen.
And again if it were bromide being pushed out of the skin then why don't the halogens fluoride and chlorine that we are exposed to in abundance and that both displace bromine cause the same problem? If bromine being pushed out of the skin was causing this then nearly everyone would have severe acne considering how much of these halogens we are exposed to on a daily basis.
I have No science or education to back this up, but well before I became involved with iodine, I felt that the white pus that was a result of these initial 'red acne bumps' were a result of white blood cells reacting to some kind of infection response. It was pure summation, but one that goes back years.
Yes you are 100% correct. I mentioned this in an earlier post since this can explain why the iodine does not always create what we normally think of as acne. If there is merely inflammation there will only be red bumps formed from the inflamed glands. If there is bacteria present that get trapped the white blood cells will attack the infection, and white blood cells will die leading to the pus formation.
Hv, I had a similar reaction, (little red bumps), only many more than with iodine, when I was swimming in a chlorinated pool. So it makes me think that other halogens may cause this to happen as well.
To really get to the bottom of this question of the displacement of bromide/bromine, some study using scientific method is necessary IMHO, otherwise all we can do is guess.
I agree the studies are needed before claims such as bromine excretion is responsible for the acne. Studies have shown that iodine can cause these eruptions, and it is known that skin exposure to bromine can cause them. But does bromine actually excrete from the skin like iodine and chloride? This is something I have yet to see any evidence of and therefore is merely an assumption being passed off as a fact. As for the bumps in chlorinated pools there is another possibility. We known that chlorine can absorb through the skin. We also know that excess chlorine displaces iodine. And we know that iodine can be excreted through the skin inflaming the pores. So it is just as likely if not morel likely that the bumps are from displacement of the excess iodine you have been taking due to chlorine absorption. This is why we do need the studies. Otherwise it is all just speculation. But by the same token I think people need to stop spreading the bromine assumption until they come up with some solid evidence to back this assumption.
So either there was no excess iodine, to excrete in my urine, (my body was using it all, or most of what I was ingesting), or I was excreting iodine excess through my skin for 2 weeks, causing these little red bumps, and then this stopped.
A simple way to find out would be to apply a concentrated starch solution to your skin and see if you get a blue color. Remember from science that iodine turns starch blue?