most of curezone would disagree with you on this.
Another unsubstantiated claim. I thought with Moreless gone we would have seen these go by the wayside. I guess the Moreless followers yearn for the days of made up claims.
you make statements as if they're truths too:
Oh gee, a novel idea. Claims that are readily verifiable as they have been proven true. I suppose if I would just make up false claims like your guru you would follow me then?
My experience has been that even though ML made himself a very viable target, and perhaps in some cases deservedly so, he also experienced many who delighted in provoking him... people like this will find another punching bag at some point.
Why do you insist on blaming the victims Grz? Speaking personally I was Moreless' punching bag for a long time until I finally got fed up with his crap!!! I ignored him for a long time and he still kept coming to my board reading my posts then attacking me ON HIS BOARD where I could not defend myself. So I started addressing his attacks back on my board.
So why is it that the Moreless followers continue to lie about the facts of what was really happening? They keep blaming the victim rather than looking at the posting history to see who the real bully was!!!
I will say this. You have only been here a short spell. ML was controversial from day one, for many reasons. And I don't want to sound like I am defending everything he did - I don't. By any means. But.... his protocol - specifically the calcium hydroxide aspect of it - has been viciously attacked by many..... for many years. And many of those attacks were personal on ML because of the HC. So Grz is right in that sense. Not saying comments towards you by ML were valid, or justified, just that.... regardless of the mistakes that ML has made.... which are many.... he has also had people gunning for him. And that is a fact. The whole "Calcium Hydroxide" issue has caused much turmoil here. And there have been shots at ML because of this. Irregardless of his many faults.
Then Moreless should have provided the evidence to his claims as he was asked to do so many times. Attacking people for asking for real proof was just asking for people to get upset with him. Moreless created his own reality here through his actions. So he only has himself to blame.
Is it just me or is it really annoying for people to copy/paste a whole paragraph when responding? Grz does it betta - just copy a teeny bit of it. That's always been a tick I've had with ML - he copy/pastes the entire thing thereby doubling the size of the thread - it's too much.
I don't always copy and paste whole threads. I only copy and paste the comment I am responding to that I feel is pertinent. Sometimes only copying one sentence can make it appear that one is taking what is said out of context. So it is important that the whole thought that is being responded to be posted. It is like if I only took a fragment of what you wrote:
"That's always been a tick I've had with ML - he copy/pastes"
As we can see it changes the meaning by only taking that fragment.
IMO the people here on these forums, in part, made moreless who he is...
Nobody makes someone else. How we choose to be is a personal decision. Moreless knew that lying was wrong, but he still chose to lie about others. He knew it was wrong to attack others, especially when he was blocking them from defending themselves directly, but he still did it. He made these decisions for himself, noone was making these decisions for him.
I hope I am standing up for those on both sides of the fence.
Grz, I have the utmost respect for what you say and do and I appreciate probably more than most why you have tried to stand up for those on both sides of the fence. Sometimes though, my friend, and speaking from experience, when you try to straddle a fence that contains many barbs you end up with quite the pain in the old posterior.
History has indeed shown many who were persecuted for their beliefs who turned out to be right, regardless of their deliveries. History is also replete with those whose ego, mania and/or persecution complexes drove them further and further off the deep end.
I think you will find this to be a temporary time out, and whether a lesson has been learned and ML is pushed back from the deep end into calmer and safer water will ultimately be up to him. From this vantage point, it appeared to be a downward spiral into meltdown - almost as if he was pushing the envelope further and further and asking to be banned.
Like you, I think he has made valuable contributions and helped a great many people here. He has also abused a great many and I hope he returns with the help and leaves the abuse behind.
Just my two cents,