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Hi Ya'll,
While Many folks will argue til they are Blue in their Face about if they are Correct in their Religious belief's, Many may be Deceived and do not even know it?
WHY do I say this?
Most folks will argue about Doctrine and the Law, which --NONE-- is able to be Justified by !
--NONE-- shall enter the Kingdom of God by the Laws or Doctrines, as --NONE-- shall be able to obey them, thus where the problem may lay for those whom spend their time agruing themself Blue in the Face that they are Right and everyone else is Wrong about their Belief's !
While the Bible does say that he whom Denys Jesus Christ also Deny's Me(God), this may not mean that one must know Jesus Christ as such to enter God's Kingdom?
How can this be so?
For our answer we need to look to God's Fruits of the Spirit as is this post:
Hi Ya'll,
These are the fruits of the Spirit:
Galatians chapter 5 starting with verse 22: The Fruits of the Spirit are: Love,
Joy, Peace, Longsuffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness, Temperance;
against these there is No Law to judge and condemn us by .
Could these lead to Better Mental and Physical Health and Happiness ?
And these are the Works of the Flesh :
Galatians chapter 5 verse 19: The works of the Flesh are Adultery, Fornication,
Uncleanness, Lasciviousness, Idolatry, Witchcraft, Haterd, Variance, Emulations,
Wrath, Strife, Seditions, Heresies, Envings, Murders, Drunkenness, Revellings,
and the such of which, they who choose to do these things shall not inherit the
kingdom of God !
Could these lead to Mental and Physical Sickness and Disease ?
Choose Life or Death this Day !
Smile Tis your choice.
Now let us consider the above where God has stated that Quote: Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led by the Fruits of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
No where does this say we must know Jesus Christ as most Christians want to Claim for our Salvation !
Now before we jump and have a Hissy Fit and start Claiming I do not believe in Jesus Christ let ME Remind you that --I-- Believe in Jesus Christ as my Personal Saviour and that his shed Blood was for my Sins !
Now let me walk one thru --WHY-- I made the above statements of WHY it may not be a requirement that one must --1st-- know Jesus Christ as such for ones Salvation and or to enter into God's Kingdom !
In the Fruits of the Spirit is --LOVE--, which Many folks may not Fully understand, but by it Many may overcome and be counted Worthy?
God states that there is NO Greater --LOVE-- than for one to lay down ones Life for another !
Everyone whom Claims we Must 1st know Jesus Christ or --WE-- are going to go to Hell and Burn forever and ever, maybe should consider they have become Deceived by Satan the Devil?
WHY do I make this statement?
Is God --True LOVE--?
If --WE-- Deny that God is True Love, then we may also be Deceived by Satan the Devil himself?
Now let us consider a person whom has --NEVER-- Heard about Jesus Christ? Yet, by his Very Desire to --LOVE-- others in the sense of True Love and attempt to Live by the Fruits of the Spirit, How can --WE-- Condemn them, or should --WE-- if --WE-- Truly have Gods' Love in US??
When God has already stated that one whom has True Love and Lives in the Fruits of the Spirit shall --NOT-- be Judged by the Law !
This is another Reason WHY I suggest that --WE-- may should consider that just maybe --WE-- do not know as much as --WE-- may want to Claim, when --WE-- stand upon our belief that one --MUST-- obey this Doctrine or that Doctrine or Believe this or that as --WE-- want to believe and or may have come to Believe?
Just look at --ALL-- the Different Religions of the World and their --Confusion-- and ask ourself: Where does --Confusion-- come from?
Confusion does --NOT-- come from God !
So, could it really be as Simple as our Salvation may lay in the Fruits of the Spirit?
Thus those of the world whom may have --NEVER-- heard about Jesus Christ, may still have Salvation?
Consider a New Born Baby whom has --Never-- Heard about Jesus Christ and this Baby Dies?
Is God so Lacking in Love that he will Refuse this New Born Baby Salvation just because it does not know Jesus or has not heard about Jesus?
Come on supposed Christians, Where is the --LOVE-- we proclaim to have?
Cause and Effect !
As usual not everything may be as it may 1st seem to be !
Smile Tis your choice.
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This is a reply to # 1,359,444Hi Ya'll,
Those whom want to argue themselves Blue in their Face that they are Christians and are Right come Hell or High water, maybe have something in Common with Satan the devil?
WHY would I suggest this?
Satan was 1st Lucifer the Greatest Arch Angel that God had Created !
Yet, Lucifer started getting a Big Head and began to think himself as Good as his own Creator !
This was the beginning of Lucifer's Fall from upon High down to become Satan the devil himself !
When We start to think we know more about God and How others should believe and we start Judging others based upon our own personal belief's to the point --WE-- start deciding it is --OUR-- own Personal Duty to Correct everyone else to Save them from Hell and Damnation as we may see it, could we have Gotten a Big Head ?
Remember what happened to Lucifer when he got a Big Head?
Would not it be Better to set a Good example by Living by the Fruits of the Spirit, of which there is NO Law against Living this way?
Cause and Effect !
Smile Tis your choice.
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I suspect all desire this.... Yes no? I mean when one is "IN LOVE" it is the happiest times of their live...
So the question I ask is why do we not do what we really want the most? To live every day as if we just fell into love??? We sure would produce the fruit of the spirit if we did.. yes/no??
Another if you like - I am alive NOW - I don't care what happens after death. What is in this Christianity for me NOW?
I have many questions which I had or still do wrestle with. I am asking them to provoke thought and the bear fruit of insight for all of us...
TheObserver
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This is a reply to # 1,359,489I think that the reason people don't choose to live by love is that very few understand what love really is.
The term being "in love" to me refers to a romantic love. This happens most often when we first meet someone. Something about them matches up with an ideal that we have in our heads and this encourages us to begin to project every other ideal that we have onto this person.
This creates this euphoric state of "love sickness" that is celebrated in movies, romance novels and the like. Most people think that this is what real love is.
The problem with this is that it is not based on truth. Eventually as you get to know someone better, you are faced with their real character which more than likely includes many things that do not fit the "ideal" picture you have in your head.
As you begin to discover a person's true character you are faced with a choice:
Knowing who this person really is, do I choose to love them unconditionally?
Answering yes to that question is where true love begins. This is the divine love that is referred to as Agape in the Bible...the love that God has for all of us and the love that was modeled by Jesus when he walked the earth.
The problem is that most people give up on relationships because they don't understand that true love is a choice rather than an emotion. It is something that you create with an act of will. Instead people chase the feeling of being "in love," which wouldn't be so bad except for the fact that this feeling is mostly created by unconscious self deception. They don't understand why this feeling of being "in love" doesn't last longer than the six months it takes to really get to know someone. This causes them to jump from relationship to relationship chasing the feeling of being "in love."
In the context of a relationship based on true Agape love there will be times of feeling "in love" and those times are to be appreciated. But confusing that with true love, in my experience leads to a life of disappointment and heartache.
As far as a spiritual modality that focuses on making the best of life NOW, perhaps you can take a look at Judaism. The original Jewish faith is all about creating the Kingdom of God NOW in this life by examining each part of life down to the tiniest detail and sanctifying it by making the best choices possible.
Think about these three principles: awareness, honesty, and responsibility.
If you encounter a problem in life ask yourself:
Am I fully aware of what is really going on here?
Am I willing to be brutally honest with myself about it?
Am I willing to take personal responsibility for making this situation the best it can possibly be for me and everyone else?
A friend of mine who has intensively studied Judaism over the past few years tells me that they have rituals and practices that help you apply these three principles to every part of your life.
Finding this in the organized version of Christianity is difficult in my opinion, but it has been my experience that this can be discovered quite effectively by building a personal relationship with God through Jesus. By realizing that Jesus is the Living Word of God and that he is with you always looking to bring the light of truth to every situation that may be causing you difficulty. You can do this by simply praying or asking throughout the day whenever you need wisdom, comfort, or assistance.
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This is a reply to # 1,359,444
ACTS 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
ACTS 16:30-32 ......"Men, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all that were in his house.
MATT 10:22 and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.
JOHN 10:9 I am the door; if any one enters by me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
ACTS 2:21 And it shall be that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
ACTS 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
ROM 10:9 because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved.
ROM 10:13 For, "every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved."
MATT 16:25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
MATT 16:24 Then Jesus told his Disciples, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
JOHN 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me."
JOHN 3:16-18 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into the world not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
ACTS 16:31 And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
ROM 10:9 because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved.
1 JOHN 5:1 Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, and every one who loves the parent loves the child.
1 JOHN 5:5 Who is it that overcomes the world but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
I could go on and on. But I think I got my point across.
I have an alternate explanation for those good/righteous folk that did not have the privilege to know about Jesus before dying. I think you'll like it moreless. It is what I believe to be the Truth.
I got to sleep so, tomorrow I will post about it.
Be blessed!
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This is a reply to # 1,359,472Hi #20928,
As usual not everything may be as it may 1st seem to be !
Your comments:
ACTS 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
ACTS 16:30-32 ......"Men, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all that were in his house.
MATT 10:22 and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.
JOHN 10:9 I am the door; if any one enters by me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
ACTS 2:21 And it shall be that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
ACTS 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
ROM 10:9 because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved.
ROM 10:13 For, "every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved."
MATT 16:25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
MATT 16:24 Then Jesus told his Disciples, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
JOHN 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me."
JOHN 3:16-18 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into the world not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
ACTS 16:31 And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
ROM 10:9 because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved.
1 JOHN 5:1 Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, and every one who loves the parent loves the child.
1 JOHN 5:5 Who is it that overcomes the world but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
I could go on and on. But I think I got my point across.
I have an alternate explanation for those good/righteous folk that did not have the privilege to know about Jesus before dying. I think you'll like it moreless. It is what I believe to be the Truth.
I got to sleep so, tomorrow I will post about it.
Be blessed!
Answer: I will agree Fully with all of these, but then one must address what you suggest you shall address tomorrow?
Let us see what you come up with?
Remember the New born baby that Dies before even hearing the name of Jesus etc?
Remember God is True LOVE(Not just that touchy feeling of Passionate Love) and he wishes that all his children shall come to him and learn to live in the Fruits of the Spirit !
Consider --ALL-- the folks of the world whom have Bever heard of the name Jesus, are they to be Lost forever and not given a chance to enter into God's kingdom?
Consider the Many things that we may not want to consider when we think we have --ALL-- the answers and do not want to believe there is another way?
Cause and Effect !
As usual not everything may be as it may 1st seem to be !
Edit: For if WE cannot answer these other questions Clearly, then --WE-- may not have the Whole Truth !
Smile Tis your choice.
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This is a reply to # 1,359,472Jesus personified the fruit of the spirit... it is not so much about us knowing "him" as it is about him knowing us.
"through me" = "through the fruits of the spirit"
Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led by the Fruits of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
"led by the fruits" = "led by Christ's example - personification of these fruits"
read v22 - 23
Matthew 7:15-23 (King James Version)
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Babies may not know Christ, however they inherently know the fruits of the spirit... like Christ, they are the fruits personified.
As I have stated, I have known several of other faiths, including atheists that personified the "fruits of the spirit"... they may not know Christ, or in the case of an atheist, God himself, but believe me, both God and Christ in this context know them as they are "filled" with the Holy Spirit if you will.
Jews and Buddhists, Hindu, Muslims... people of different faiths all know right from wrong AND the fruits of the spirit... whether they personify them or not is their ticket. As I have stated, They do not need "converted" to be "saved"... they already are.
As with diet and lifestyle there is NO one size fits all faith or religion, however there IS common ground amongst us all in the fruits. These are the ties that bind us together.
That is it for me on this... Those who believe that Christianity has religious exclusive rights to "God's Kingdom" have been deceived and lack the VERY love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance that we are all talking about here.
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This is a reply to # 1,359,534One should not subscribe to only certian parts of the Bible and totally dismiss all else that goes against what they assume to be true.
We must use the ENTIRE Bible. "Line upon line precept upon precept." Every last word of it, not just what is convenient for us to believe. That is what "mainstream" Christianity does. If we criticize them for leaving out parts of what the Bible teaches and only sticking with what they feel convenient to believe, what would we be if we were to do the same as they do?
Please consider what I say, as I will also consider your words and ideas. I'm not here to change anyones belief systems. I have no such power myself. Only God has the power to call people to Him. I'm only stating what I believe, as you are stating what you believe. Not trying to "debate" anybody here.
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This is a reply to # 1,359,645Though I have used it in a previous post, my point has nothing to do with the Bible at all...
I agree with ML on this... K.I.S.S.
One may not know the Bible, or perhaps may be unable to read it (the vast majority of people in this world are still illiterate), and still realize "God's Kingdom" through their "fruits".
To believe otherwise is flat incorrect in my book and if the majority believe that these things in their "faith" are a "requirement" for salvation, then the NWO and the moving towards a "one world religion" is a given; they have already won...
But then, it has happened before and is to be expected I suppose.
Everyone who believes that "their" religion or faith is "right" and anyone who believes different is "wrong" is mistaken.
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This is a reply to # 1,359,659I believe God's Word when He says ALL will come to know Him. not just some will know... eventually ALL will know and have a chance to choose for themselves. God IS Just!
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This is a reply to # 1,359,668I did not state that they would not know "God"...
Understand that there are as many different roads that lead there as there are people in the world... and just who are we to forcefully try to alter that individual's path by stating "our" way is the "only" way?
I am not sure by your replies if you are following me or not...
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This is a reply to # 1,359,680Yes I fully understand.
You are suggesting that perhaps different people know Jesus or God in a different manner or name.
I will say this though. Moses knew "Jesus." Moses spoke with "Jesus." "Jesus" is God's Word manefested Himself as the burning bush.
In Genesis 1:26 (*emphasis mine)
26And God said, Let *US make man in *OUR image, after *OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The word "Elohim" is plural indicating more than one. So who else was there that God the Father was referring to as "US?"
You don't have to believe what I said, but I do ask you to at least consider it. Perhaps you may find something worthwhile in considering the points I made.
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This is a reply to # 1,359,472I will try to explain the best I can. Here goes....
The way God is calling people to Him and the manner in which He is building His Kingdom is very much as how a farmer harvests crops in each year. The order of things is exactly like harvesting crops.
We know that the fruits of the Spirit start with "seed". The Bible talks about how seeds are sown in different soil and such. It is no coincidence that God Himself uses these analogies and likens us to crops that He will one day harvest for use in His Kingdom. If one looks up how many times the word "seed" or agricultural references is mentioned in the Bible this may be clear to them.
The Bible also likens the people who choose to believe or not believe as wheat and tares. Just as there is a process to harvesting wheat, the process in which God is going to harvest us will come in stages. There are many harvests in a year. There shall also be many harvests of the saints. We know from growing crops ourselves that not all fruit will ripen at the same time. God is as a good farmer, a patient farmer Who is not hasty to harvest fruit before they are ripened. Some will be ready for harvest earlier than others. These fruits that ripen first are the "first fruits" of the crop. These are the "fruits" who acnowledge God and His ways in this current age and have been chosen by God to be harvested first. As for the fruits that take longer to ripen, God is not short sighted so to only harvest the first fruits and destroy the ones that have yet to ripen. He will harvest all good fruit in good time, as the harvest season goes on. First the first fruits then the second fruits, so on and so forth until all is harvested. No good fruit shall go to waste.
The babies and people who had not a chance to know of our Lord Jesus shall also be given a chance to ripen. Each in good time. Our God is not a wasteful God.
The Bible also talk about "this age" and "ages to come," indicating there are many "ages." In this age many are called but few are chosen, Jesus mentions several times. One may then question, what about those good folks that are not chosen in this age? What about them? God is a Fair and Just God. All good fruit will have a chance to ripen before harvest. In the "ages to come" these later ripening fruit will also be harvested. No good fruit shall be wasted!
I will have to apologize about my lack of ability to illustrate this idea better. I'm a horrible writer. Rest assured, I'm not the only one who understands this idea. I will try to find a better wordings that describe this idea in better detail than I have from a more proficient writer.
Those that have died with out first coming to full knowledge of Jesus or God will also have a fair chance to ripen or prove themselves worthy of God's Kingdom. Do not fret. God is Just!
Stay tuned, I will find a more detailed writing that explains this better and post it once I find it.
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This is a reply to # 1,359,585http://bible-truths.com/?gclid=CIGpl5e9w5ACFRpzYAodg08BOA
Please review the information on this site. I largely agree with what this guy is preaching.
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This is a reply to # 1,359,444ML, will you help me understand your point of view on being filled with the Holy Spirit and what it's purpose is. Does it require the fruit of the Spirit in a person first to be filled?
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This is a reply to # 1,359,499Hi refreshed,
Your question: ML, will you help me understand your point of view on being filled with the Holy Spirit and what it's purpose is. Does it require the fruit of the Spirit in a person first to be filled?
Answer: 1st let us consider what the Holy Spirit is and or what is God's view of the Holy Spirit?
Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children; how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ---ask him.---
The use of the word Holy Spirit in this context carries the meaning per notation 4151 in the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of : a current of air, i.e. breath(blast) or breeze; by anal, or fig. a spirit, i.e. (human)the rational soul,(did you catch that it was the rational soul, not Human nature that is Un-rational being of Satan) (by impl.) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, doemon, or (divine) God, Christ's Spirit, the Holy Spirit;-ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually),mind.
This is the same Spirit as John talks about in John 1:33, 3:5,6,8,34, 4:24, 7:39, 14:17, 15:26, 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all Truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will shew you things to come. One may also want to read 16:14, 15, 16,?
Also let us consider, is the Holy Spirit of God and or from God?
We may know that the Holy Spirit is of God and may be from God, if we believe and are willing to check it out !
I could Quote the Many Bible verses both Old and New Testament, but this will do little Good for those whom have Rejected God !
Seek the Truth and be willing to Properly apply it and the Truth shall Set US Free !
Now to address this question Speciffically: Does it require the fruit of the Spirit in a person first to be filled?
Answer: Maybe we need to consider which came 1st the chicken or the egg?
Maybe we need to consider that in order for us to Qualify to receive the Holy Spirit, that we 1st must have --NOT-- Rejected God?
Then we must ask God for help and as it says in this verse it shall be so:
Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children; how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that --ask him.--
The Requirement may be as Simple as Believing in God and just asking him?
Could it be this Simple?
Surely it could not be so?
Could it be?
Could this be WHY those whom Lived before Jesus Christ was Born and came to this Earth and those today whom may Never have heard of Jesus, may still receive the Holy Spirit?
Just like I require of Folks on this forum: Ask for help to Heal and be willing to Change !
As I have stated before the --ONLY-- Un-Pardonable Sins may be Refusing to Change for the better when our Sin has been made known to us !
Very Simple, wouldn't you say?
Cause and Effect !
As usual not everything may be as it may 1st seem to be !
As an added note: refreshed, I like the way you Seek for the Truth and do not seem to get so Bent outta shape as some may seem to do when their long held belief's are brought into question !
Smile Tis your choice.
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This is a reply to # 1,359,499The reason I ask this question is because I'm trying to find the deception in the church.
If man is teaching in the churches that one must believe first and then be filled with the Holy Spirit, then seems backwards to what you are saying.
Not too much is discussed as far as people who have never had the opportunity to know Jesus and what shall be the outcome of their eternal life. Most in my church, leave that up to God to decide. If they were to focus more on the fruit of the Spirit in people then that would clear some things up for them and open the door to more thought.
But if someone has had first hand knowledge of Jesus, like His disciples or came to know Him through the bible or word of mouth...to deny the Holy Spirit within Him would to me be the blasphemy. When one does not have enough of the fruit of the Spirit to discern the power and holiness in Him, then they deny Him. Man can blaspheme Jesus the man, but not the Holy Spirit that is within Him. Just like the men in the bible who though he had demons in Him because He was casting out demons from people. They blasphemed the workings of the Holy Spirit because they could not recognise it.
Is that because they did not have the fruit of the Spirit in them or because they did not believe?
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