You are right.. I am not an expert on fasting, and never proclaimed to be.
I only voice my educated opinion on OTHER things. Things where I can clearly see will not help with WF.. sorry to burst your bubble but WF does not clear all and there are many contraindications, but yet you continue to spout your mouth since you read a few books and have some bs story about curing your cancer. Which FYI I cannot find ANYTHING about, shocking considering that is a HUGE milestone on fasting, but yet I find nothing.. not even in local newspapers. You just bs me when I ask you for proof saying you cannot get records. Which FYI if you were the patient on your so called leukemia you do legally have the right to access your records. Also I would think the natural hygeinist(s) who supposedly lead you into your cleanse to cure alleged Leukemia would probably document that somewhere, as I see case studies all the time and nothing as impressive as curing Leukemia from a mere 3 week WF fast. I really doubt a publisher is gonna touch your book btw.
I also find it interesting that doing a bit of research.. the whole WF and leukemia story didn't come up til shy of a yr recently. You also have older posts from not only this s/n but your other one (yeah I do my homework) of you in cancer forums and never once said first hey guys! I cured mine via WF try it! Odd for someone who cured it, I'd be shouting through the roofs trying to help others.
Oh and btw I really don't consider people who are always starting some fast every month, or those constantly yo yoing with their weight because they have not have gotten to the root of their eating habits a success story. Steve also has never once proclaimed to be a WF expert FYI.
You don't know what supplements, medications, or any of their life history yet you say 'just fast'. Even is you were really said expert on fasting, does that mean you are now an expert on everything else? I see you giving wrong advice all the time.
You were even suggesting people to WF those with having ED's until a big stink happened. That is serious, as you have people who put you for stupid reasons on a pedestal and take what you say as if its the bible. So you do have a responsibility to watch what you say giving bs wrong advice.
Which fyi lol at your Toxemia diagnosis. You talk as if what you say entirely is fact, and that post makes my point. Yet I'm the self righteous one here? Baffles me.What exactly is toxemia? Did you know there were several kinds? did you even know almost all the symptoms and issues shes having is due to the fact of a hormonal imbalance due to having a major organ removed? Wait wait, dont google anything and first answer me? LOL! And if shes anemic she should not be fasting, especially for 30 days? Its a clear contraindication. and the list goes on and on.
I will continue to step in when you give bs wrong advice on things you have no clue about, and I'll leave your water fasting to you like I have been doing :)
And btw how many people have you actually treated in water fasting? None? Oh perhaps its because legally you cannot treat anyone, gee imagine that.
You're not even a natural hygienist and have no real credentials, so in turn what makes you an expert? A story? Self proclamation? Popularity on a website?
You are your fans are making this out to be some popularity politician contest, when at the end of the day I don't really care and will call anyone (not just you) but anyone who starts giving wrong advice to people in need.
But yet you continue to voice your opinion and diagnose as if both are facts, then when I call you out on it and question you, its another story and Anya is the bad one and shes arguing with the moderator oh no!
As I had stated before, try sticking your WF and leave the rest to the experts.
It baffles me how you go about giving 'opinion' about drugs.. supplements and other conditions that again have nothing to do with Water Fasting.
It really makes you look like a total ass, and I feel sorry for those getting the wrong advice that really need help.
oh and btw, thank you for giving your opinion (or law) on what you think I can and cannot comment on, Dr, Chris.
You can quote a lot of shit, but can you sit down and put it in layman's terms to someone and actually understand it without google or a dictionary.
I'm gonna say no.
I honestly could give a rats ass (and you can comment on my profanity as if I'm a 5 yr old all you like) what you personally think of me, what I do care about is a nobody online giving wrong advice and diagnosing people that do actually need help.
oh and to the others who hate me, I really don't care.. and putting quotations that I'm studying 'Alternative Medicine or whatever' makes you look like an ass as well. Afterall Id say the Alternative Doctors are versed in a lot more than your precious water fasting, and do have the education to help with just about everything. We don't go to school for 5 yrs, and do residency for our health. And going on based on how I talk online? Sorry but unlike you I am not playing Doctor here, or health care professional, so I'm gonna take me saying some profanities here and there on an online forum with a grain of salt. I suppose I should question my SO as well whose rather brilliant a neurosurgeon because he has said curse words when when he's not in a professional setting? Maybe we should all wear white coats and scrubs as well when we are not at the hospital, OH god! I better not wear anything showing my cleavage or my abs during my own personal time/life as that is not very professional, and the list goes on. You're lack of logic is halirious.
oh btw I know you gave the triple R's which again is sad. But I just figured everyone should know it, and perhaps you should man up. Don't pretend to be self righteous when its clear you have a personal vendetta towards me because I constantly and will continue to call you out on your behaviour. I'd rather be called mean or whatever then a self righteous hypocrite. You have never once said hey Anya.. you know you are right or even acknowledged my education or credentials (oh im sorry you said it was okay for me to voice my opinion about Ed's lol thank you holier than though Dr. Beckett), which clearly shows your personal issues with me. I thought the forum was about helping others and giving them correct advice and not giving you an ego trip since you are a nobody in the real world? Perhaps we need a Chrisb1 forum since thats what its become.
Don't even bother replying, you're posts are so utterly painfully sad to my eyes and brain its not even funny, and I'm not gonna bother to read them. Try sticking to what you actually really know and not self proclamation : Drivers Education.
Frstly you are wrong, Lauray has 2 posts with Rs, I just looked, go look yourself http://curezone.org/forums/s.asp?f=762&ob=d&c=9&t=150&m=lauray And that is not bad, considering she usually just blogs about her own experiiences rather than give others support. I mean Fonty wh you say had lots of friends only had 6 Rs, and he was onthe Water Fasting Support Forum for years giving support left right and center. Of course people will get friends and R messages, if they give support. Most people don't get any Rs. So it is unfair to make Lauray out to be a victim or anything by saying she only has one R. I's simply not true and it is completely irrelevent.
Secondly it is probably no coincidence that those words came from one of Lauray's R posts. It's just that people are more inclined to read them. So when we have a thread trying to make out that Lauray does not have an eating disorder, Lulu was very sensible in pointing out to Lauray that she DID have an eating disorder. Lauray's own words were:
"I became sicker due to food addiction... which doctors and hospitals and psychiatric treatment programs refused to recognize as the real source of the problem"
Lulu put that point across well. I have no idea what her "disability" money is about, don't eben unerstand that system, I doubt if anyone else read anything into that. And the 3Rs are there, well... don't they always stay there? Why should they change? I guess you could always write to the webmaster saying that lauray shouldn't have had a RRR message coriticizing her because she is a nice person, but I doubt he would do anything.
"I see that you do not understand the power of friendship, however, I bet a bunch of your friends will read this post and click on "disagree with this message." Then they will go to your message and click on "agree with this message"
That's nonsense! People generally agree or disagree with a message based upon it's content, not who they are friends with. I just added my agreement to that RRR post, making 8/10. And of course I will disagree with yours, because I think you are completely wrong. Or maybe I won't bother, because it is so obvious. Oh go on, I'll make your day and agree with you.
"She needed all the help she could get and she was denied that from this website by a group of friends who considered themselves wiser with more self esteem that the rest of us"
Not true. Lauray has been there for years, and she has never accepted support. All she does is write long disturbing blogs and specifically tell people she doesn't want replies. Go and look at that R post you spoke about...
"****PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS PART OF MY POST****...I have a fear that my body will enter a crazed out of control healing mode and cause me to refuse food for so long that I die. I am afraid of the skeletal state I may in future fasts have to reach to attain healing... I am afraid even to talk about reaching this state, for fear of shaming panicky ignorant responses I may get from readers of this post ... Please, to all who read, please do NOT RESPOND TO THIS PART OF MY POST"
It's not surprising people were telling her to get professional help. She really needs it. I am really surprized you cannot see that.
Anyway, she can't be much of a friend to you if you don't know if she posts on Curezone now.
Just take a look at this person, who is blogging, as an example http://curezone.org/blogs/fm.asp?i=1344623
She wants to fast for 147 out of the 157 days leading up till Independence day (she'll take a few breaks - e.g. for a slap up meal at v day though)
Only one comment so far...
"This sounds rather extreme - more like anorexia than cleansing. Your body needs nutrients. Just one opinion..."
In your view, does that mean that the person commenting is not the poster's "friend"?
First of all, you missed the entire purpose of my post.
I don’t think I missed the entire purpose of your post because I didn’t understand the purpose of it to begin with and I still don’t but that’s beside the point it really doesn’t matter what I think.
Next, the reason I came back was because I was thinking about Lauray. Is that OK to think about her from time to time? She is still in my prayers and I still feel bad for the way she was treated on this website. I remembered that she had one lonely R message some time ago and was wondering what it said. So, curiosity got the best of me and I looked it up. Then after reading it, I realized that her R post was where the RRR post got the information. It hit me that the RRR post had taken the words of Lauray and twisted it to make her look bad. I feel bad that this post was written at all let alone given RRR to humiliate her more. The RRR message makes it sound like Lauray got on disability by dishonest means and that she really does not need to be on it. After reading Lauray's original message, I could see what happened. I thought, I am going to check and see if the nasty RRR message about her is still there. It was. Then I thought, I should post what I saw was going on to help prevent further misinformation and unnecessary humiliation of Lauray. I knew I couldn't reach everyone, but if it helped just one person to see the truth about Lauray it was worth the post.
Yes of course it’s ok that your thinking about Lauray and it’s good of you to keep her in your prayers she sure needs it. The point I was trying to make was that you brought the whole thing up again by posting in this 55 day old thread, now Lauray might come back and see it all over again and thinking about that fact, I shouldn’t have responded to you at all. So I’ll try to keep it short. Lulu was only using Lauray’s post to say she thought that’s what started this whole idea of supporting someone’s water fast that has an ED which is what this thread is about it’s not about Lauray. I think your the only one who thought Lulu’s RRR message was about Lauray and her disability problem, that didn’t even phase me when I read it. I imagine the reason why her post got RRR is because it spoke the truth regarding the behavior of another member and just how nasty that other member has been to many on this forum. Lulus long RRR post had one tiny paragraph of one of Laurays posts to make her point but the rest of her post was written to another member entirely her name was Anyajb. Anyone who reads Lauray’s posts will see the truth about Lauray for themselves, she is a very sick girl who needs help but refuses it. I hope one day she can heal herself.
Now Willow, I see that you do not understand the power of friendship, however, I bet a bunch of your friends will read this post and click on "disagree with this message." Then they will go to your message and click on "agree with this message." Hmm. Does that clicking make my post wrong and yours right? And, dear, dear Willow I wonder why so many people kept asking Lauray to get professional help when she made it very clear that she was in professional help from a variety of professionals. Hmm, could that also be the power of friendship even though it was a very rude thing to do. She needed all the help she could get and she was denied that from this website by a group of friends who considered themselves wiser with more self esteem that the rest of us. I still can't see that it made it right. I saw the group as "discouragers pretending to be concerned." Lauray wanted to fast to heal her body from a very serious digestion problem, to heal her chronic anxiety and depression, and to be delivered from food addiction. She read in the fasting literature that other's had accomplished this by fasting. Why did you and your friends discourage her from this form of healing? She was obviously not anorexic as her posts showed that she was worried about becoming too thin during fasting. This is not the thought process of an anorexic person. She did take enemas, but remember she has a serious digestive problem. She wanted to be healed and healthy. I was concerned about her fasting so often but they were short fasts so she may have been doing the right thing there too. Also, if you remember, Fonty had the same fasting pattern. even though his purpose in fasting was different than hers. He was trying to lose weight. She wanted healing. I followed his fasting diary on another website and it was a very similar fasting pattern. He even admitted it on one of his posts here at curezone. No one criticized him. The power of friendship? Hmm mm. Fonty did have a lot of friends here.
I don’t believe for one minute people give agree or disagree messages due to friendship. I click the agree button when I agree with the content of said post, very rarely do I click a disagree button but if I do it’s because I strongly disagree with the content of said post. Friendship has absolutely nothing to do with it. Now let me back up for a minute because there might be those who do it because of friendship but I would bet the majority of us choose the content of a message over friendship. And no, clicking on agree or disagree does not make said post right or wrong, it’s just what it says you agree or you disagree it’s as simple as that. I’m sorry you feel the way you do about a group of members who were “discouragers pretending to be concerned.” It seems you have taken everything here the wrong way, what Lauray was doing was very dangerous and to encourage her to continue on the path she was on would have been remiss. Nobody here wants to be responsible for the death of someone fasting with an ED due to our encouragement. All posts to Lauray were given out of GENUINE CONCERN, I’m sorry you can’t see that. Anyway enough said on this subject, like I said I shouldn’t have replied
What does Lauray posting under another user name have to do with the issue? I only know of two that she used. I don't have time to read all posts so if there are more I don't know about it. Why do you feel it important that I know about her other user names? As far as I know she no longer posts here at curezone.
I thought since you were so concerned about her you might want to post to her under her new ID that’s all.