Naturalax2 
chris_L
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Has anyone tried this product by Nature's Way?
http://www.naturesway.com/?pid=920
Ingredients:
Cascara sagrada, Barberry Root, Fennel seed, Ginger root, Goldenseal root, Lobelia, Red Raspberry leaf, Turkey Rhubarb root, Cayenne Pepper
Is it the same as Dr. Christopher's Lower Bowel Balance formula?- Re: Naturalax2 Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,299,353I would not take it.
Cascara sagrada and rhubarb root are anthraquinone stimulant laxatives. They can cause a laxative dependence after a few weeks of use.
Barberry and goldenseal are both berberine sources. Berberine kills the intestinal flora, can damage the intestinal lining, and can raise blood pressure by depleting potassium. Again, these herbs are not for long term use.
I hate to see goldenseal being used anyway due to the fact that it is becoming endangered. In fact there was talk a few years ago that it may have to be put on the endangered species list soon. The problems are that it is slow to grow and not easy to cultivate. The popularity of the herb has lead to over harvesting. And with the high market price (around $80/lb wholesale) wild crafters have been even harvesting the baby roots, not even giving them time to mature. The lower availability has lead to a lot of adulteration with other berberine containing herbs, such as barberry and Oregon grape root, which is probably the only reason it is not already on the endangered species list. Please stop using products containing goldenseal!
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,299,764I beleive it is a support forum. I choose to support by pointing out the facts.
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This is a reply to # 1,300,062You tried to tell me that the other day when you falsely claimed that cascara sagrada was not a stimulant laxative. I posted proof for you along with information on another side effect of the herb. Did you read it or choose to ignore it?
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This is a reply to # 1,299,468I feel a need to chime in here - I cannot vouch for the Nature's Way version of the formula but here's my side of things.
I've been taking the Lower Bowel TONIC - 2 capsules, 3 times a day as Dr. Christopher Recommends. I just took the recommended month off after taking it for over *6 months* and I can assure you I have better bowel function than when I started. Cascara Sagrada stimulates and helps rebuild the peristaltic muscles. Yes, the small amount of Turkey Rhubarb is laxative in nature, but it makes up a tiny portion of each capsule and adds to the formula's synergy. I had more need for it during the formula before I ever started taking than I do now, however I plan to keep taking it for the duration of the 9-12 months that will continue to treat the original problems at a deeper level and resolve them.
When eating a plant based, beneficial diet as recommended Potassium will be in much more abundance than any small amount that the herbs could effect. I wonder how much Potassium is in the other plants in the formula itself. I can't speak to the effects of killing flora but I certainly don't have any of the symptoms of that. Eating beneficial RAW fruits and vegetables helps replenish the flora, and every bowel movement removes millions of them.
I agree that we need to be respectful of the herbs we use for ourselves. When harvesting, MH has talked about not over harvesting. Dr. Christopher always spoke about this as well. Organic (or regular cultivated) Goldenseal (from reputable sources) is still available and used by many individuals, including myself so as to not contribute to the problem of over harvesting of wild growth. It is arguable that wild harvested herbs will be more potent, and someday when I have a place to do so, I will encourage their growth and responsibly harvest what I need for myself.
The bigger problem with goldenseal is the many people using it with one or no other herbs, in large quantities. Then it can have some effects that you speak of, and in those cases there are other herbs which may even be more appropriate anyway.- Re: Naturalax2 Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,299,776Just to comment on your last statement about goldenseal. If you look at most formulas using goldenseal, they are generally also adding one or more other berberine containing herbs.
There are many other herbs that work as well or even a lot better than goldenseal anyway, and without the risk of side effects. Goldenseal is primarily being used for name recognition. The same goes for echinacea. Myrrh has all the same properties as echinacea, but it is stronger, cheaper, and more stable. The only reason it is not used more is because echinacea is better known, and people tend to be wary of change and using things they have not heard of before. So manufacturers continue to focus on well known, yet often less effective herbs, for the sole purpose of name recognition. This is also why the practice in the nutritional industry known as "fairy dusting". This is where a well known, but expensive herb, like goldenseal, is added to a formula in trace amounts just so it can be listed on the label for name recognition even though there is not enough to do any good. Even sodas are using this principle adding just a trace of echinacea to some sodas now. So this practice will not be readily detectable they will often fairy dust with a few cheaper herbs so they can be listed after the more expensive herb. This has to be done to hide the fact they are fairy dusting because ingredients are supposed to be listed in order of quantity.
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This is a reply to # 1,299,353Looks like the same ingredients. Wonder what prices they have?
1. Most likely radiated.
2. Most likely has less Goldenseal because of the high price.
3. Most likley the cheapest out of country herbs on the planet, similar to what drchristopher.com did many years ago as a result of being sold several times.
Most likely single 0 size caps, wonder if they use a veggi cap?
Are they cheaper than the lower bowel balance we make? Maybe / Maybe NOT, but at least we know where the herbs come from, that they are in veggi caps, non radiated and double 00 in size. We use the same formula Dr. John R. Christopher did many/many years ago along with a little added Olive Leaf.
MH
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