Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom Sal... 
Bananabender
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I have used Magnesium Oxide in two flushes. I just change the tablespoon to teaspoon.
Is there any reason Epsom Salts are used when Magnesium Oxide is sooooooooooooo much easier to take.- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Hveragerthi
12 years ago
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,286,494Magnesium oxide is very poorly absorbed. It primarily functions as a laxative because when it reacts with water caustic magnesium hydroxide is formed. This causes burning of the intestinal lining causing fluid to enter the intestine and stimulating peristalsis.
- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Bananabender
12 years ago
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,286,517Thank you Hveragerthi for replying to my question.
You said "This causes burning of the intestinal lining causing fluid to enter the intestine and stimulating peristalsis."
Burning of the intestinal lining, does not seem a good idea, however MO is sold as a laxative so why is that allowed if it is not safe?
Also is the Epsom Salts not used because of it's laxative effect?
Please understand I am not wanting to argue. I just want a safe alternative to ES.
Thank you again for your reply.
Bananabender.
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- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Telman
12 years ago
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This is a reply to # 1,286,522Epsom Salts or magnesium sulphate has a very unique affect when it is taken on an empty stomach. It the right concentration it actually causes the gallbladder to contract up to 65% by volume. Consequently the gallbladder has emptied and filled twice even before you take the olive oil and lemon/grapefruit juice. Magnesium sulphate purges the stomach, increases the wave like contraction in the bowel and performs a laxative action by drawing water into the bowel. I have written a short article about Epsom Salts on my blog
//www.curezone.org/blogs/fm.asp?i=985355
The most common alternative laxative used is magnesium citrate.
Magnesium oxide is often taken if you are not getting enough magnesium from your
food or if there is a problem with how well your stomach absorbs it.
Magnesium oxide is sometimes also used as an antacid to help reduce acid amounts in your stomach. Magnesium oxide can be used as a quick acting laxative usually in special circumstances. It should not be used routinely as a laxative.- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Bananabender
12 years ago
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Google AdvertisementThis is a reply to # 1,286,540Thank you Telman,
I appreciate your taking the time to reply to my query.
BTW I have read most of your blog, and all your flush reports. Thank you for taking the time to make all the info available to those of us who are just starting down the "flushing" track.
Now let's see if I understand you.
You are saying that the reason we would use MS is that it "causes the gallbladder to contract"? Yes, I see that would be desirable.
You also said "Magnesium sulphate purges the stomach, increases the wave like contraction in the bowel and performs a laxative action by drawing water into the bowel." I think MO also does that.
What do you think of the idea of having MS the first evening when we want to contract the gallbladder.................then have the MO next morning when the goal is to empty the bowel of the stones which have come from the contracted gall bladder?
Thank you Telman, I value your suggestions.
Bananabender
- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Telman
12 years ago
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Google AdvertisementThis is a reply to # 1,286,553Although the laxative action of magnesium is thought to be due to a local effect in the intestinal tract, it releases hormones such as cholecystokinin (which stimulates the biliary system) or activates constitutive nitric oxide synthase which also contributes. Under normal circumstances high doses of oral magnesium salts is safe and some salts, such as magnesium hydroxide and magnesium oxide also have an antacid effect. The concern is that prolonged and repeated use of any laxative of this type including Epsom Salts may allow sufficient absorption into the systemic circulation to cause renal or other organ toxicity: albeit temporarily. That is one reason why it is recommended that the kidneys are working as well as they can prior to a liver-flush.
I consider that the very small concerns are well worth trading off against the health gains. It amuses me that such a song and dance is made about these very safe medicines but warning labels aren't put on fast food meals! We all have to make choices on what is best for us based upon sound research and we don't need approval for these decisions.
- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... saywhatagain
12 years ago
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This is a reply to # 1,286,895My opinion is that Epsom Salts are safe but not necessarily in the dose recommended by Hulda Clark . The recommended serving of Epsom Salts is 2-6 TEASPOONS over the course of a 24 hour period. The Hulda Clark flush recommends using 4 TABLESPOONS (that would be 16 teaspoons) over the course of 12 hours. This large dosage is probably still safe for most healthy individuals, but for those of us that are not extremely healthy (which would be many of us that are searching for advice from curezone), this dosage can be quite dangerous. I will post more about my negative reaction (resulted in a severe electrolyte imbalance) to the 4 tablespoon dosage of Epsom Salts at a later time, and Telman I believe you are correct in your statement about making sure your kidneys are working properly as I believe poor kidney function is part of the cause of my reaction (kidneys are essential in balancing electrolytes after they are depleted).
My recommendation, if you have already done the Hulda Clark flush and have had no negative reactions (such as extreme fatigue, dizziness, sudden profuse sweating, and muscle twitching), then by all means continue the flush as you are. If you have experienced these symptoms, or it is your first time flushing, I recommend reducing the Epsom Salt dose from 4 Tablespoons to 1 and 1/2 Tablespoon (this is the maximum recommended dose 6 tablespoons) and then working up to larger doses as you see how your body reacts. Also, make sure to eat natural foods high in potassium and sodium before and after the flush.- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Bananabender
12 years ago
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This is a reply to # 1,287,391Actually, for my two flushes (which I did over the past month) I used Magnesium Oxide. I was not aware that MO did not have the same contracting effect on the gall bladder as ES.
Using the MO each time I had completely different outcomes.
The first one I had at least one cup of stones, including several thumb nail size down to about 3mm, and the second.......... nothing zilch, nada, not even chaff.
I really cant figure out what made the difference, but I do know it wasn't the magnesium. - Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Telman
12 years ago
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This is a reply to # 1,287,391The important issue is to try and match the strength of the solution of the Epsom Salts so that water is drawn from the bowel in a process called osmosis. Osmosis is a biological process in cells where water travel through the cell walls to an are of higher salt concentration. Sometimes called reverse osmosis. Different people have a different salt concentration and therefor the ideal individual solution varies from person to person.
Magnesium is the chemical that causes osmosis. Magnesium comes in many forms including magnesium chloride, magnesium oxide, magnesium pidolate, magnesium gluconate, magnesium arginate, magnesium citrate, magnesium aspartate, magnesium hydroxide, magnesium orotate. More is known about magnesium sulphate because it is has a number of medical uses which have been well documented.
Epsom Salts will act as a laxative when used at the rate of 1 to 2 tablespoons in 8 fluid ounces of water. However, some people will react with a dose less than 1 teaspoon. The recommended dose varies between manufacture and country. The packet that I currently have says that the safe dose is 1 to 2 tablespoons with no other restrictions. Valu-rite says 2 to 4 teaspoons in 8 fluid ounces up to twice a day. These guidelines are well within the safe limits because the companies do not want to be exposed to a law suit. All this too confusing so its best to just follow the protocol to start with and then tailor the dose rate if required. I have found that my effective dose is 2 teaspoons per 6 fluid ounces.
The medical experiments that demonstrated the contraction of the gallbladder with Epsom Salts used a solution of 25 grams to 100 ml this equates 5 teaspoons in 4 fluid ounces.- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Bananabender
12 years ago
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This is a reply to # 1,287,432Thank you again for your input Telman.
I found this interesting:
"The medical experiments that demonstrated the contraction of the gallbladder with Epsom Salts used a solution of 25 grams to 100 ml this equates 5 teaspoons in 4 fluid ounces."
I am wondering if similar experiments have been with magnesium oxide and they were negative, or we cant be sure MO will conract because those experiments have not been done with magnesuim oxide.
I continue with this subject because I have such difficulty drinking the ES but do not want to risk a flush failure.
Thanks again.- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Telman
12 years ago
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Google AdvertisementThis is a reply to # 1,287,434It appears that the magnesium of choice for the medical profession is magnesium sulphate and information on magnesium oxide is more difficult to find. However this is a very general statement and Magnesium Oxide is used as a laxative prior to an operation where emptying of the bowel is important. I gather that it works more quickly that Epsom Salts .
- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Telman
12 years ago
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- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... saywhatagain
12 years ago
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This is a reply to # 1,287,432Very enlightening and informative Telman, thanks. I still say it is better to start with a smaller dose than 4 tablespoons of Epsom Salts until you know how your body will react to this large dose.
- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Bananabender
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- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Bananabender
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- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... saywhatagain
12 years ago
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- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Telman
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- Re: Magnesium Oxide instead of Epsom... Bananabender
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- Ibuprofen and Aspartame Hveragerthi
12 years ago
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This is a reply to # 1,286,522A lot of things are allowed, and even FDA approved and yet are not safe. Take for instance ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin, Nuprin, etc.), which killed 2 dozen people during clinical trials from ibuprofen induced hepatitis. Even the FDA estimates well over 16,000 people die each year from the use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs)like ibuprofen. This number is actually way low since many deaths are wrongly attributed to other causes like kidney failure or liver failure rather than the drug. And then there are other side effects of these common drugs, which include tinnitus, loss of vision, aseptic meningitis, etc. These side effects DO NOT require long term use or overdose. They can occur with a single recommended dose. And many of these drugs are readily available over the counter. Unfortunately the FDA is way to cozy with big business and profits therefore come before safety.
Aspartame (Equal, Nutrasweet)is another example. It failed to get approval the first 4 times it came up before the FDA due to the dangerous side effects. The 5th time it was approved, and the FDA official that pushed it through went to work for Monsanto who makes this poison. Aspartame breaks down readily releasing methanol, a powerful neurotoxin. This is what causes the headaches, loss of vision, personality disturbances, etc. The methanol then metabolizes in to formic acid, an irritant, and formaldehyde, one of the strongest carcinogens known. And the FDA does not require other facts to be disclosed either like the fact that Aspartame causes weight gain, which can be a problem for the people most likely to use it.
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