Mouseclick have you started your fast yet? WIndy London eh? Vancouver is looking pretty sunny and calm today!
Sky

Yes East can meet west you are right. At the same time when you ask what my gut says, at this time its screaming RANCID! lol! But seriously, my gut tells me thatI have had this Celiac since birth. Ihave had Candida since a young age. I have also been on Anti biotics very frequently since birth, many Antibiotics have gluten in them. ANd they also naturally kill the flora in the intestine. SO between the Antibiotic and the gluten in each pill, they have both caused this Hp in my oppinion, as well as the candida caused from the Antibiotics and poor digestive system from the celiac. I think that there was this cycle of making each other worse.
But the Antibiotic really is not something I want to take. I feel have heard of the garlic-ALLICIN, as I have read that this is very effective with HP infection however it is just not as fast, and I will also look into that one combined with the cayenne. As well as perhaps Raw Ginger JUice. I will do alot of research on this. I am thinking that if I could just Water Fast for a really long time like 60 days,
then go on the natural medicines,eating healing foods and juicing with ginger, and lemons ect..I beleive I will heal this myself. I will consult my naturopath, even though she is against fasting, she runs a school so i will volunteer to be observed by her class. If I am going to do it anyways, it would be nice to have this documented to see if this is effective.

I am very distrustful of Antibiotics , as well, Ihave read that evenafter taking these pills it can reoccur again and again. I feel as though I did this Water Fast for a reason, and it literally cleared up candida an issue that doctors had no answer to, and even the special diet did not help from naturopaths. I have a motive for fasting now, and that s to clear an infection. Obviously the Celiac will remain, but when my intestines are healed then I know what foods to avoid, and healing will continue with the natural medicines.
This is what my gut is telling me. Because quite frankly, if I go back on antibiotics and then get candida out of balance-again, then that will only eat my intestines-again! It does not make sense to me anymore this method simply does not work with me, and I refuse to put my body through that cycle again. I tried it for other methods, and it failed. It's time to try something different. This is what my gut is telling me. But my head is saying to find a place or person to support me. I truly can not afford a fasting centre. And I dont have the money to see a naturopath regulary. So I hope she willaccept my proposal to use me as an observation in her class.

I don't know, I will talk to her on Friday, It will be interesting to see how this will unfold...

Hi Sky:

Right after you finish your fast, you should definitely take cayenne and garlic in your diet. If you can swallow raw whole garlic that would be great. That can only be done with meals and not on empty stomach. Also take some enzymes. One of the reason we get bacterial infection in our stomachs is lack of acid. You will benefit from drinking apple cider vinegar drink before meals. Take quarter cup of water, add one or two spoons of apple cider, pinch of cayenne, Sea Salt and a spoon of raw honey.

The other thing is if you take Antibiotic you must take yogurt everyday afterwards and good probiotics.

Take care.

Archus

sky22,

HP can be quite easily eradicated thru fasting, depending on its length, like most other health-ailments, and there are some very good suggestions in this thread such as the taking of garlic as a Natural Antibiotic, but I certainly would not take drug-based Antibiotics , as they kill ALL intestinal bacteria.......even the essential beneficial bacteria.
In preference to medical drug-based Antibiotics I would much prefer Colloidal Silver . There is some very useful information here within this website & which I believe to be the purist, most concentrated, and effective natural Antibiotic on the market. This was an extremely popular & effective remedy before the advent of pharmaceutical-based drugs, which Big-Pharma ensured was pushed into the background.

http://www.utopiasilver.com/


You may find this of use as well.......the juice of fresh raw cabbage which has been proven to heal stomach ulcers and for curing various stomach ailments, including ulcers caused by HP. The juice of fresh cabbage is also very effective in treating fungus infection(due to its sulfur content).
The amino acid glutamine in cabbage juice is very gentle and cleansing on the digestive system; it detoxifies, repairs ulcers, heals stomach ailments and is regenerative on the stomach lining where HP resides. The juice is recommended to be taken in small amounts of about 100 ml, three times a day on an empty stomach, but if the taste seems to be too bitter, I would mix it with carrot juice which also has remarkable healing agents.

In your shoes I would follow the above regimen for a few weeks (being careful to watch your diet) and then undergo a medium to long-term fast to maximize cleansing and healing.

I hope this has been helpful.

Chrisb1.

I just read that Collidal silver has been taken off the shelves in Canada, andhas been termed unsafe...for turning people blue? So i think i will check out other natural meds...there has to be others...that are legal in Canada...right? I will see what my naturopath has to offer on Friday, and in the meantime I will start on Cabbage, garlic, and even Manuka Honey, and Ginger.

Okay...thanks again!!!

Do your own research on Colloidal Silver and decide for yourself. But don't take it while fasting, nothing should be added while fasting. I doubt there is an authority around who could vouch for it's absolute safety while fasting so the 'golden rule' should not be broken for it.

Andrew.

Fasting with diarrhea wouldn't be a bad thing. Your body isn't processing it's food properly so it's better off not having the food. When you rest it from the food the diarrhea will stop of course and the gut will have time to repair whatever condition has caused it.

I think that's a bit limitting only accepting credit cards! Did you contact any of them? Surely they'd take a bank transferral instead. Money is money. Anyway, I hope you find what you need.

Take care,

Andrew.

Hello sky22,

whatever you decide to do sky is ok, we are only here to offer advice and recommendations for those remedies that we know will work effectively, & have been demonstrated to work in restoring health naturally & which are compatible with the body and not incompatible.

The growing global movement away from traditional allopathic medicine is because of their failure to address the real causes of disease, instead of their treatment of symptoms which perpetuates treatment and therefore their lifelong income.

You mention that a fasting retreat is very expensive, but in comparison to current medical treatment, including drugs and surgery and so on, this pales into insignificance, for what after all is the treatment of the causes of disease, and not just the palliation of the symptoms of it.

The Internet can also be a very unreliable source of information for health advice, but there is a growing number of qualified health professionals who support this trend away from Orthodoxy, such as Dr Al Sears MD, Dr Julian Whittaker MD, Dr Joel Fuhrman MD, Dr Mercola, and countless others who have joined the ranks, and who offer very reliable and accurate health/medical advice within the Alternative field of health care, and which is usually supported by clinical research.
Natural Hygienic Doctors are also qualified health professionals with some having MD's, but you will not hear much about them because of the influence of Big Pharma and their stranglehold over the media and organizations such as the FDA in America.
All in the name of profit Sky.

If you find the answers to your health problems then this will most likely be as a result of your own efforts of research within those fields of health care and recovery that work with Nature and the biological/physiological needs of the body. Of that there is no doubt whatsoever.

I wish you well and the recovery of your good health.

"Health is the FIRST wealth".........Emerson.

Yours in Health-Truth & Medical Liberty.

Chrisb1.

oh Sky, i have much sympathy with you, especially because i can so relate... i also do not have a credit card due to poor credit issues (and i am 31) and i also come from an extremely non-supportive, wheat-loving family!!! they are so closed-minded, it's unbelievable. if i go to my parent's house, it's the same thing... they say, "why can't you just eat like the rest of us for a few meals?" my mother takes extreme offense when i bring my own salads.

my mother is also huge into dairy, and despite my brother being diagnosed with a severe milk allergy, she continued to serve us cheese-laden foods while growing up. he'd be in the bathroom for hours with cramps everyday, and still she did nothing to make her food more healthy. it's mind-boggling that a parent would knowingly give food to a person that exacerbates their disease... and if your family tries to get you to eat wheat, that's exactly what they're doing to you!

it's my belief that my mother is also slowly "poisoning" my father as well... he's getting fatter and fatter because all the meals in her repertoire involve combining starch with protein. (she literally does not buy vegetables EVER... she told me once that she hates all vegetables because she was forced to eat them as a child, and vowed to never serve vegetables to her own family... how sick is that???) anyway, both my parents also drink quite a bit of alcohol. it's sad to see how people you so desperately want to help just ignore you or take offense when you try to lovingly set a good example. i've reached the point where i just have to say, "well, they are adults making their own life decisions, and there's nothing i can do".

sorry to go on and on, just wanted to offer you a little company in your misery on this subject :)

here's hoping that your HP infection will be cleared with ease (like your confident naturopath thinks)!

your friend,

bella lucia

Hi Everyone, I have kind of been a bit bummed out lately...I know it's supposed to be only food, and funny I have been chosing not to touch gluten for so long...but I am kind of sad...when I smell pizza, or food that I CAN NOT eat anymore...

Even in my social life...I don't know anyone out here in BC yet, and I've been asked to attend a girls day, at a co workers home, and then it dawned on everyone including myself,...oh what will you beable to eat? I was like oh don't worry, bring my own food...I felt like such a burdun, I feel frustrated, that SO MANY FOODS contain Gluten...that my intestines are so damaged that even cross contamination could cause more issues, and result me being hospitalized...where they will cause even more damage...I feel so angry at the medical system for pumping my body with drugs as a baby, till teenage hood...I feel so angry at myself for being so afraid of authoritive power, even though I can see who they really are, I allow society, the western medical intustry AND MYSELF put them above me on the heirarchy scale...I know better, yet I still feel the fear...I still feel bad, about going to a naturopath behind my doctors back, and not taking my prescriiption, but take natural meds, ---one of the research assignments I did in college was -why women recieve the worst health care...and my most challenging research assignmetn, was regarding psychiatry as a form of social control over women(which I never did complete..). I have no idea why I was so passionate about these issues at that time in my life...and now...here I am facing challenges, with taking my own body, and health in my own hands, and realizing how taboo and radical this seems to averarge people...and in a way I want to remember this...to avoid being vulnerable infront of people, such as my own family...

in another sense, medical Science has given me an answer to so many problems I have faced my entire life...the people who once questioned my truth, of the pain I felt when I ate...the trips to the emergency, to have some doctor tell my father it's just indigestion....or as I got older, that I was making excuses to skip classes...or that it was only in my head, as a doctor once explained to me, it's not pain you are feeling, it's guilt because you feel guilty when you eat, and so what you REALLY want is to lose weight this is common for young women your age....and so I stopped talking...and just accepted that pain came along with eating foods.

Now here I did a water fast...my first fast, and I cleared another issue I lived with for too long, Candida, from my body, and watched my body go through such AMAZING changes, stubborn rashes cleard, hair stopped falling, body took on a differnt form, I realized, though i was tired, I was able to see with my own eyes, and feel with my body, mind and spirit, how Powerful, and beautiful, and AMAZING my body really is, OUR BODIES ARE, and how easy it was, in comparison to what I have gone through in my life...and yet...I still feel silenced as though if I share this information, I will be labled, or questioned about my own sanity...as I was when I complained about my stomach and tried to eat gentle foods, I was labeled a chronic dieter, weight obsessed, ect. simply for wanting to heal my body,.
Now with this new discovery, I am grateful, as much as I am upset...I am grateful, because I can see I really was not a hypocondriach(however you spell this), But why did I Need a doctor to confirm to me that I was not crazy? And why do I feel like the stigma, of my CHRONIC dieting, has not left me...as this proof has proved to my family okay she was telling the truth all this time...she really was feeling sick, yet...they still question my intuition, my choices, my stegnth? And even worse, why do I need this validation, from my doctor, naturopath, friends, fmily?

This short Water Fast I recently did, proved alot to me...I learned so much about my body...from this, my naturopath refused to see me till my doctor took my blood to see if i was deficient...which i was not...but he found other issues NOT RELATED to the water fast...so now I know...I have Celiac, and H.pylori infection both attacking my small intestines...and soon Iwill go confirm the damage-how much I have, with a biopsy..IN AUGUST!!! I wonder if I should wait till after the Biopsy, and then do the fast...to have proof...of how much healing can be done from fasting...at the same time...I don't want to wait...I want to just fast...I have a few things to think about before my trip to see my family next week...I am on naturopathic meds right now...they are helping with alot already...including my BM's. I am going to do some short fasts...as I will do a three day fast this weekend...and then eat fruits and vegs for 3 days...then leave for T.O. I want to be strong when I go...
BElla if you are reading this,,, Thank you for your kind words, My credit is so bad also...and I am 33...I also have a child he is eleven...I gave him up three years ago..to live with his father...I hoped that I could pull my life togethre by now...and I wanted him to live in a home where he would know he wouldnt have to change schools AGAIN, and there would be not problems with our little bachalor apartmemts...it's something I am still I think I have finally come to terms with a couple of months ago...I know he is in a good place...and I see him in the summer, and christmas..and when I make more money I will see him more often...he is the one I really am going to see in Toronto-amongst the chaos of people in my family..who love me...but just don't support me. So thank you for your support..this forum is really all I have when It comes to a big part of my physical life- MY BODY and healing! and yet naturopaths are afraid to support water fasting...with reason with this bill up in the air...Doctors, well they are quite brain washed by "BIG PHARMA" right Chris?;) And even though these retreats and supports are cheap in comparison to what our bodies are worth...there is still a class issue that is quite evident when it comes to HEALTH...and in Canada, since we have free health care, as u do in the UK, Natural Health care....is still a privelige that the lower class, or working class do not and can not afford, or enjoy liberally....I am seeing a school of naturo paths, and they are wonderful...but basically, I have just comprimised my rent...as well...they seem undecided about monitoring me...as the supervisor there, was on his last day, and basically it will be up to the next supervisor if they will support me or not...
I am not sure I can afford it anyways...
Basically, it comes down to these forums, the support website, and research, and Intuition...I suppose this is going to be a very big learning experience for me...
Because I am going to do a long fast, when the time is right...I have not decided just yet...I will have to document myself...buy a scale...and do alot of research on the body...This is my practice to be a healer...on myself.

I just think it's very sad, and unfortunate that things have to be done this way...however I just want to say thank you so much for everyones support...I really needed it, especially now...I am just going through a new transition, and sometimes these take time to adjust to.

Sky