Re: carvacrol amounts
by oreocrackers 9y
One thing to be aware of when purchasing Oregano Oil is that companies often promote their oil based on the percentage of Carvacrol in the Oregano Oil. This is fine except that the Oregano Oil is usually diluted with Hemp Oil or Grape Seed Oil etc. So you may think you are buying a great product that is 75% + Carvacrol when in fact much of it is filler oil. So you may be further ahead to buy pure Oregano Oil and dilute it yourself. Then you know what you are getting.
My 2 cents worth. :)
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Re: Molly, how do you like hemp oil? n/m
by Molly Bloom 8y
I did hemp oil for awhile. I canít remember how I liked it. I think it was a bit bitter.
More importantly because I believe that you absorb whatever healthy properties in the oil sublingually, that if you have an oil that you believe will be of benefit, OPing with that oil will give you optimum results. I think thatís why the use of coconut oil and itís anti-viral properties is an excellent oil to do during flu seasons.
I used to use an oil called Total EFA. It was expensive! But I felt great OPing with that. My body seems to love Walnut Oil.
When I was OPing everyday, somet ...
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by White Shark 5mo
The best ways to take and utilize omega 3 are
- eat fresh fish and sea-food like shrimps
- or take fresh flaxseed oil or hempseed oil with cottage cheese or with yogurt.
It is much better to take fresh flaxseed oil with some protein, than to take it with nothing.
Yes, Flaxseed oil and hemp oil and eating fresh fish helps cleanse the liver naturally.
It is not as effective as a liver flush, but it is a good alternative.
Encapsulated or other forms ...
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Re: Hemp oil seems to have boosted my immune system
by UtterG 3y
hemp butter or hemp oil? psychoactive or none?
the psychoactive stuff, does something VERY huge, that i think is over looked by many.
helps to put one back closer to a Parasympathetic state, thereby improving almost everything weíre going for: immunity, digestion and elimination, anti-stress/archon-mediation, helps mind to reconnect with soul/emotion..
i have even seemed to need some mannitol and extra malt when getting real high a few times... and im a VERY light toker..
gotta make u wonder, how much of being ĒstonedĒ is from suddenly increasing immune response.. like a cyst ...
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Re: Hemp oil and seeds/flour
by andmor 12y
Liver cleansing and low protein intake should help with your hypoglycemia. The latter may be contrary to what you have heard before. Protein fods trigger a mucher stornger and longer-lasting insulin response than carbohydrates, and yes, even sugar. Proteins, sugars, and fats, all require insulin to take them to the cells. Meat consumption triggers the largest amount of insulin of all. The more concentrated protein foods are, the most pronounced the pancreatic response will be. Most diabetics are being misled to believe that protein is a safe food for them. Naturally grown and unprocessed ...
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Add them to the mix?
by heavenandhellth 7y
Do you think I could just start with a little more Cottage cheese and then add in some other oils at the same time as the flax.
I have been reading that flax is almost completely unusable by the body if it is not bound to the sulfur-protein to make it water-soluable.
Is true with other oils, or is it just flax that is this un-aborpable, otherwise?
I donít know if that applies to other oils such as the GLA oils, black cumin, grapeseed oil, hemp oil, sea buckthorn oil, etc...
I just want to maximize the effectiveness of the other oils.
The reason I say this is ...
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Fasting before LFing question.
by Cyane 9y
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Ok, so Iíve been wondering something. I would like to do a 20-40 day Orange Juice fast before I start Flushing again. My concern with fasting is muscle loss, because Iím a Competitive/Performance athlete and I canít afford to lose any. I was thinking I could take my Certified Organic Hemp Protein powder and make shakes with it along with mixing some Organic Hemp Oil in it for EFAs, but would this be defeating the entire purpose of the fast or? Muscle loss isnít an option! Any advice with this matter would be appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
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Re: Hemp Oil report, Days 4-6
by imalurnin 10y
Super report, fallingsnow!
You said there were unknown substances flecked with blood draining from your vagina. Have you had a yeast infection?
Curious about the base of the fingernail with a greenish hue. Are your nails experiencing any soreness or tenderness? Any greenish hue at the base of your toenails?
I wonder if and how the hemp oil would help balance female hormone issues. Hempís omega stats are impressive.
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Re: Post 39 day Master Cleanse, Soaking my nuts
by sparklyglamgirl 6y
I have been stalking through the shelves of all of my local health food stores and will scope out more grocery stores for the dairy free/coconut kefir. There must be some here!
Yeah, I had the chocolate Vega w water today (had just done the smootie w what I had on hand this a.m. - kefir, hemp protein, hemp oil, RawGreens stuff. Then, went to get the Vega and tried it w water.
Pepe!! THANK YOU SO MUCH for the soup recipe!!! Iíve been craving squash for the past week and have corn on the cob in the fridge, so this is perfect! Will let you know how it turns out!
Itís funny Iíd neve ...
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Re: Chronically sick for over 11 years. Started water fa...
by Red20 25mo
By the way I have been eating Organic fruits and veggies for the past 17 months. This is what a normal day looks like.
Upon rising: 24 oz of lemon water. Herbal Tincture for Bones that contains
* Kelp (Nereocystis luetkeana)
* Horsetail Grass (Equisetum arvense)
* Comfrey Leaf (Symphytum officinalis)
* Alfalfa Lea(Medicago sativa)
* White Oak Bark (Quercus alba)
* Prickly Ash Bark (Zanthoxylum clava-herculis)
For lunch I make 24 oz of fresh organic juice with apples, orange, kale, romaine, cilantro, ginger, pineapple, and celery.
For dinner I have an avocado sa ...
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Re: Day 88!! YEOWSA!!
by pepe 5y
What Iím doing is called juice "Feasting" the main difference is that you do greater amounts of juice (3 to 5 liters a day) and "some" supplements are a allowed. hereís a link with comprehensive info on Juice Feasting:
I know Iíve posted links somewhere on MSM but I donít know where at this moment. Itís main benefit when juice feasting it that it makes our cell more permeable to be able to absorb more nutrient. There are a myriad of other benefits. The most commonly known ...
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Re: Confusion about what to eat later...please review (an...
by pepe 9y
One of the oldest juicers around is the Champion. It is a serious workhorse with few moving parts and itís just about indestructible. I had to replace a part and found out that mine was built around 1959!! and that sumbitch is still cranking. Itís got a massive motor that just goes and goes. Since theyíve been around a while youíll find quite a few of them used on Ebay Czech it out.
Up untill fairly recent because or archaic FDA laws Hemp oil was hard to find and when you did find it it was very expensive. I used Flax oil for a number of years but Flax doenít have that ideal ...
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Juicarianism, Day 1
by loganberry 10y
Yesterday was a disappointing first day liquidarian. I thought I had a liquidarian ĒbuddyĒ who was doing it with me, who was going to do smoothies and oil in her liquids. So I got majorly side-tracked from my original vision, and made my ĒjuicesĒ with dulse flakes and hemp oil. At first it tasted great, but by the end of the day, I felt salty and loaded down from refined-fat overload. I certainly wasnít what Iíd been thinking of earlier in the week, when I decided to go liquidy.
Adjustments like that may well come later, but I want them to come from the prompting of an Ēinner voiceĒ of ...
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Re: H202 therapy and leaky gut/inflamed intestines
by linenup 7mo
Good advice from Matt. Low pH is a sign of acidity, it is the acidity that makes you feel weak and sick. Things (hormones, glands, detox) will not work right when you are acidic.
Baking soda is a miracle and can turn acidity around fast. I use it with Ultra Potassium from Source Naturals and IonCharge, throw in buffered vitamin C and presto. Make sure you are drinking adequate good water.
I used h202 for sometime and I donít think it is the answer imo. It can work but I think in your situatuion it is not a good choice. H202 is an oxidant and will contribute to higher oxidative stat ...
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Oils: rapeseed/canola & the ones you should eat
by MatrixV 8y
Theyíve been marketing rapeseed oil as Canola in Australia for years and touting its health benefits. About 10 years ago we read an article on how bad it is for you and havenít touched it since.
Coconut oil is best to cook with, as its fatty acid chains are not easily distorted/broken at high temperatures and hemp oil is a perfect balance of what we humans need. Although most of us are omega 3 deficient, so get into your flaxseed and fish oils (good quality of course) to build up the imbalance!
Peanuts arenít nuts, they are lentils and the oil isnít good for you so stay away from that ...
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Re: olive oil at night - question
by MH 7y
the hemp oil info going around for years is a bunch of crap started by a few creating a market for the stuff, etc.. stay are away from anyone peddling such garbage.
first press olive oil only, never ever virgin olive oil, it can be part motor oil.
lecithin is bst, but any plant oil works.
like dissolves like
simple as that
consume a plant oil an the stomach/liver can not digest it, so on earth anyone puts it on salads i never know!
the liver will suck this oil up over and over back and forth in the intestinal trak breaking it down and in that process, it dissolves the stones ...
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by #73889 9y
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I just finished with hemp oil, coconut oil and then castor oil. 3 different times, 15 minutes each time.
This is the first time Iíve used castor oil. Iíve had the castor oil for quite some time, and Iím not sure if it is spoiled. Oh well. It wasnít the most pleasant tasting. Iíve tried a number of different oils, and this is first time that Iíve ever gotten a reaction.
My sinuses filled up. Never happened before.
Once a day for this one will be enough!
Does anyone know if it is OK to ingest castor oil? Want to know just in case I swallow some. I think there is cleanse that uses it.
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A different oil might help
by SoGAGirl 9y
I have found that different oils get out different stain along with different toxins.
Walnut oil is dark brown and seems to really brighten my teeth. Hemp oil is green and also brightens them.
In Chemistry class we were taught Ēlike disolves likeĒ. Oil based stains are removed with oils and water based stains with water. Different oils have different properties. It stands to reason that we would get different results with different oils.
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Re: Omega 3 and Omegan 6 oils?
by fiddler 11y
Thank you guys for for help.
Before I had a chance to read your answers, I bought Hemp Oil, which has Omega 3 and Omega 6 oils. I hope itís OK.
But what quantities it is safe to take Omega 3 and 6 oils to reduce my eczema itching and iflamation?
From what I read on line, the ratio of Omega 3 to Omega 6 oils in our diet should be 1:2, but we usually have 1:40. Does it make sence to take as a supplement only Omega 3 oil (like fish oil) to make up the difference?
How is the best to take Omega oils, with food or without?
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Absorb oils better by pulling than drinking?R by Larryb 8y
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Iíd vote a definite YES. Before I OPed for the first time, Iíd drink a similar amount of flax seed oil on a daily basis. And since I obviously didnít spit any out, youíd think my body received more oil by drinking than the much smaller amount by pulling.
But drinking the oil, I wouldnít notice much more than a slightly relaxed feeling (flax is supposed to be good for hypertension). When I OP with the same flax oil, my skin is noticeably infused with an oily coating, my hair gets a youthful looking sheen and appears less coarse, that Ērelaxed feelingĒ is greater times 10 and it even h ...
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Re: update on progress
by longterm 33mo
Because of your post, I am going to take 1000mg of gamma linoleic acid (GLA) twice a day instead of once a day. I do not know if there is any difference in Evening Primrose Oil, Black Currant Oil, Borage Oil, or Hemp Oil. I am afraid to try Evening Primrose Oil because the iron absorption issue...one would need to space it at least 3 hours between meals to avoid this. I have only read about the Evening Primrose Oil healing EC on this forum, though.
Did you say you did not see results for at lest 3 weeks when you first starting taking Evening Primrose Oil?
I do not yet know if it is a ...
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Oil blend: Flax, Olive, Pumpkin, Butterscotch!
by fallingsnow 10y
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Hmm. I just found an oil that has piqued my interest:
I found it here for under $9!
Itís Jarrow Formulas Essential Balance, which is a blend of Flax Oil, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Pumpkin Seed Oil, Flax particulate, and natural butterscotch flavor. Anyone tried this one? Anyone even seen this one??
I donít think Iím ready to trade in my Hemp Oil, but Iím willing to add another oil to my schedule... Of course, that me ...
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Re: Okay everyone,I am taking a poll here...
by nutnberrygirl 9y
I just found apricot kernal oil (in the personal care isle) and I really like to pull with it. Itís light and tastes good.
I eat the flax oil and will switch to hemp oil when the bottle is empty.
I have been switching around quite a bit with the oils I canít be sure which one is working for a particular problem. Oiling for 6 weeks now. I get a good pull with the flax oil though.
Main healing points so far-dry cracked heals softened, better sleep, better ability to cope with life!
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Re: ps oregano oil
by Larryb 8y
Scouter - you definitely need to mix oil of oregano with other oil. Just a couple drops are very potent and can cause a burning sensation in the gums. I adjust the amount of OO to be the most heat I can reasonably stand on my gums. Since youíre mixing it with other oil, get oil of oregano that is not in an olive oil base.
When I was having the major toothache, I would start by pulling with Flax or Hemp oil and OO. If that didnít get all the pain, Iíd put a couple more drops in warm water and swish. In the worst of it, Iíd also put a drop of OO directly in the tooth cavity. I would ...
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Re: Not a fan
by wombat 9y
hey, Iím a price fan too. yeah, Udoís big on seed oils, and obviously high quantities of seed oils have never been a part of any traditional diets...and traditional foods are the foundation of the Price foundation.
But Udo provides good info about EFAís and so on. and, in oil pulling weíre absorbing EFAís from the seed oils weíre swishing. I think that all the testimonials re: healing of skin issues is proof enough of that. And itís unlikely that any of us are going to be swishing fat from free-ranging caribou....
So, itís in the interest of learning about the seed oils that we swish tha ...
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Re: Flax Oil???
by molly bloom 9y
When buying Oil of Oregano make sure it is pure and not mixed with any other oils. Often they have blends, or mixed with Olive Oil. Pick up some Tea Tree Oil too if you can.
If you have the cash, Iíd also buy a bottle of Udoís Oil and eat that everyday, either by itself after a meal or add to veggies, soup or salad or whatever you are eating. I eat mine in my nightly salad.
Hemp Oil is very earthy so prepare yourself. Itís not like normal swishing. But you can definitely feel the effects of it. My mouth feels amazing after pulling with it...cleaner. To me itís noticeable.
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Re: get the FLUORIDE out! the importance of EFA's :)
by trapper/kcmo 9y
i am not that up to speed on the constituency of the different oils.
i recommend a variety of oils and i recommend their use in a variety of ways. swishing, eating, wearing, it is all good. i learned enough to know which oils i like for which activity. the vco for eating and wearing, olive oil and hemp oil for eating, and sesame oil for swishing. i do mix them up as well, but i have not swished with vco, just because i use it for the other two so much.
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Anyone done a Macadamia Oil / Pineapple Juice flush?
by downfall100 10y
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Has anyone done a Macadamia Oil / Pineapple Juice flush? Iíve done the common olive oil / grapefruit juice flush with good results, then went to hemp oil / apple juice flush for an improved taste, also with good results.
Now Iím looking to go for a different combination again for more improved taste. Now for me personally, macadamias are the most tasty from all nuts/seeds so naturally Iím going to go with macadamia oil. And again personally I think the best tasting fruit juice is pineapple juice, so thats the reason why Iím going to do this flush the coming weekend with pineap ...
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Just picked up LOTS of anti-candida stuff. Now what?
by Rick67 11y
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Hereís what I picked up:
Apple Cider Vinegar
Grapefruit Seed Extract
Now how can I go about using this stuff in my diet? BTW, I donít eat any meat or dairy.
Iíve already started the candiGONE but Iíd really like some good ideas on how to put this stuff into my diet.
I was thinking I could make an olive oil vinegarette using the ACV. What do you guys think, will it work?
Thanks for all the help! I think Iím heading in the right direction.
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Re: Anyone done a Macadamia Oil / Pineapple Juice flush?
by downfall100 10y
I canít see why it shouldnít work tho generally, even if it doesnít work for me the first time i try this weekend. In Andreas liver flushing book he says you can substitue olive oil for macadamia oil (and after results with hemp oil too Iím beleiveing it doesnít matter which oil to go for as long its full of fat). And if people can do successul flushes with a toxic drink like coke, then pineapple is ok no question.
Even if the flush is a failure, Iím not going to put it down to the macadamia or pineapple, Iíve had about 2 flushes with no major stone count now (and im far from no stones! ...
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Re: new to oil pulling help
by molly bloom 10y
I have the same issues with my ears. Right now the left one is yet again infected. Either they are dry and itchy, or they are oozing. I also have pretty severe tinnitus.
Pulling definitely helps the ears. In fact, my ear pressure went away yesterday after I did it twice. I did it once with Walnut Oil and one with Hemp Oil (which is not an oil for beginners). To these I added some drops of Oil of Oregano and Tea Tree Oil. My ear felt much better, and then I got up this morning, and there it is again. Iím swishing right now. I can feel them draining, pretty cool.
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Re: low body temperature
by osal 10y
I too had low body temp. about the same as you.
After taking organic cold pressed coconut oil for about a month - a spoonful or so a day, I noticed my temp. was ínormal.í It increases metabolism, etc.
Coconut oil is great for cooking (better than almost anyhting, as long as itís the pure stuff) and equally good on toast with a pinch of sea salt.
Mostly, I now use coconut oil and olive oil only, though I plan to start adding hemp oil too.
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by plzchuckle 8y
calcium needs omega 3 for transportation
eating transfats depletes omega 3 efficiency
DO NO HARM
donít eat processed foods, fried foods, grocery store oils
organic, unrefined, cold-pressed plant omega 3 oils: flax seed oil, hemp oil, borage oil, Udoís 3-6-9
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Re: different oil, different results?
by fallingsnow 10y
I think that different oils work differently with different people. Health is so individual, there canít be a one-size-fits-all solution and thatís really where the general population of doctor/dentist keep messing up, in my opinion.
I tried Sunflower Oil with no results. I tried Olive Oil with mild results. But when I went to Hemp Oil, Iíve got some instant dramatic results. From experience, I think that Oils we Pull with are very much individual and your body will tell you when youíve hit the nail on the head.
Happy swishing ...
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Re: Million Bucks!
by b2reflect 9y
I have noticed that when I eat sweets and drink pop now, that it is not as appealing as it once was! Which is a GREAT thing for me! My elbows are not as dry as they once were, either. I know I have been putting oil on my body, after showering the past 2 or 3 days but that didnít seem to matter before. They still tended to be dry, after a short while. This oil pulling and consuming oil on a daily basis is definitely doing something for me. Fortunately, for me, I was not sick beforehand...well, at least, not where I noticed anything!
After swishing I have been doing Hemp oil with a couple d ...
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How Beneficial is Coconut Oil?
by Jamsbio 7y
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I drink alot of smoothies. Itís part of my new diet regime, in which Iím trying to lose weight by eating a healthier diet. I already put alot of raw fruits into my smoothies, and also try to add flax oil and sometimes hemp oil.
Iím trying to figure out what else I can put in my smoothies that will provide me with nutritional benefits. A coworker of mine suggested that I add coconut oil, but I have no experience with this. How beneficial is it and what will it do for me?
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Re: Bottom of Day 5 and I'm out
by pepe 9y
So much of our social life is based around food and eating and thats one of the things that make it very difficult for many folks to stick to the MC. My shortest MCs are 21 days with the majority being in the 40 day range and I always plan on being a hermit for at least the 1st 10 days.
Enjoy your vacation and crank up that Champion and eat mostly raw and your system will continue detoxing albeit at a more gradual rate. Below is the recipe for my daily Suppah Juice.
2 celery stalks
1/4 red beet
Bout a pinkies thickness worth of cilantro or parley ( I like ...
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Re: brain freeze,
by Quinta_Essentia 8y
these are supplement with trials and evidence which prove they improve cognitive funciton. i am not going to give any links, you can google them if you are interested.
DHA, from fish and fish oil.
Phosphatidylserine, increases memory.
Lecithin, a big portion of the brain is made of lecithin
amino acids, the raw material to build neurotransmitters
all b vitamins, especially B12 and B6
vinpocetine, shown to improve memory
huperzine A, shown to improve memory
acetyl l carnitine, helps metabolize fat which is what the brain burns for energy
rosemary, protects and nou ...
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Re: Flax Oil???
by SoulfulSurvivor 9y
Boy, Molly, you ainít kiddiní when it comes to the price of some of these oils, BUT...BUT!!!! I would rather spend 15 bucks on a bottle of oil thatís going to last for nearly a month than 15 bucks on a Happy Birthday Cake which will last about 12 hours (in MY house!).
Does the hemp oil offer a boost in energy? Iím heading out to the healthfood store, today, to pick up some things to boost the immune system, and I was going to find some oregano oil and a couple of other things for cleansing. Any suggestions?
By the way...had a ceramic disaster, yesterday, and Iím motivated to just ...
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Re: oils online
by b2reflect 9y
I have heard of collidal silver as a tincture but as a soap? Where does one get that from? Also, what is h2o2 and where is that from, please?
I have used olive oil before getting out of the shower for my ímoisturizerí and if I was unusually dry, I would add shea butter. I am fortunate as to not having dry skin unless it is a very bitter winter and so far, it has been quite mild here.
I just started OPing maybe 4 days ago, with sesame oil. After I am done and have rinsed my mouth, I have been taking 2 T. of hemp oil. I put a drop or two of oregano oil in both. I ...
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