|Date: 8/5/2010 12:01:35 PM ( 6y ago )
I made this post at the top of a new thread because the one on the same topic below this did not point out some simple facts. The fact that the study found that fructose (with no qualification) causes pancreatic tumor cells to "divide and proliferate." That is a factual statement from the study. It also pointed out that these same cells also feed on glucose/sugar.
I erroneously inserted the nitrate issue, and I should not have done so. I should have stuck to the fructose issue.
I personally believe that this is a watershed study which for the very first time ties fructose to cancer and that those in the alternative field (of which I am one) should be shouting and waving and stomping their feet and using this as a starting point to get the FDA to ban HFCS! Yet it seems to be the position of some who have responded on this thread that they wish to dig in their heels because the study included plain old ordinary fructose which is also used as a food additive. DQ - though we disagree on the historical significance of fructose, I do agree that in its natural form for some people it may be beneficial. That brings up something that is very relative to me at this point and that is that no two people on the planet are the same. You may benefit by fresh fruits - but the guy sitting next to you might not. One of the problems that most allopathic medicine has is that they have a one solution fits all approach. Unfortunately there are those in the alternative field that do exactly the same thing.
I have on my shelf a book I read many years ago and one that some in the alternative field have picked up on and convoluted, yet some agree with it. That is The Pulse Test by Dr. Coca an eminent immunologist who's resume includes significant years in cancer research as well as immunology. His resume would put 99% of the MDs to shame with his education and research background. I read this book many years and found that I was "allergic" to refined carbohydrates as in bread as well as starchy carbos in potatoes and other vegetables. I tried to follow what my pulse told me, but it was very difficult and I didn't - until I created health problems. I now generally follow what I first discovered many years ago regarding my food allergies. Dr. Coca points out that not everyone is allergic the things that most of the population are allergic to. He points out that some people can rub poison ivy and poison oak all over their bodies while the majority of the population has to avoid it. Coca also made the point that 5% of the population are not allergic to tobacco and tobacco products. Case in point. Eubie Blake, a famous jazz musician and musical producer began smoking at age six. He was interviewed on 60 Minutes about a week before his hundredth birthday and during the interview he said "I know I'm not supposed to do this...." and then he pulled out a cigarette and lit up. Yes he only lived to a hundred. Point is that food is the same way and Coca makes that very clear. In his medical practice he used the pulse test (fasting before eating and taking pulse, then waiting 30 minutes after eating and checking pulse again and if it was more than 10 - 12 beats higher, you had an allergy to what you ate) on his allergy patients and the positive results were amazing. One person may be able to live on the USDA "balanced" diet (I doubt it), while others may benefit more on one end of the McDougall spectrum (that just made me fat and diabetic) to the other end of the Atkins spectrum with the majority somewhere in between. There is no diet that fits everyone. Dr. Coca's book is free on-line and available here.
Along those lines, if you read The Seven Daughters of Eve by a leading geneticist, you will learn how our Cro-Magnon ancestors lived and what they ate - and it was very little fruit. The majority of the those in the USA come from the Cro-Magnon ancestry. If you take the 6,000 year approach to our history, I can't help you. I myself am an emphatic creationist and I see no conflict between Genesis and the "evolution" that science is discovering. I have read some of Carl Sagan's works on evolution and how he can make the statements and analysis that he does without seeing the hand of God in the middle of it - is beyond me.
I think that at this point outside of pancreatic cancer the affect of fructose and glucose certainly isn't clear, but in the research study by UCLA - a major medical research center, it is very clear. To try and create a scattergram of cancer relative to diet is rather pointless. The single most correlating factor for cancer that science has discovered is latitude - better known as lack of vitamin D.
Remember, studies of vitamin D levels and subsequent risk of cancer are only one type of epidemiological study. Studies of latitude and cancer are quite clear, the less sunshine the higher the cancer risk. Studies of dietary vitamin D intake and cancer are also mostly supportive but such studies are limited by the tiny doses people get in their diets.
Chris - regarding the Gerson protocol, you imply it is heavily oriented to fructose. It is not. I have read a great book (you probably have too) written by a fellow at Oxford Michael one Gearin-Tosh - "Living Proof, a Medical Mutiny." He was diagnosed with bone marrow cancer, probably the most deadly form of cancer on the planet. He was given six months to live, investigated several different alternative methods and finally contacted Dr. Gerson's daughter (can't remember her name off the top of my head) and had several telephone conversations with her before finally flying to meet her in Texas, I believe where it was. His protocol was not apple juice and carrot juice and a coffee enema, it went way beyond that. On page 259 of he book he summarizes his protocol and that was "...twelve freshly made vegetable juices each day with supplements of potassium solution, iodine, thyroid, niacin and pancreatin and a daily injection of liver juice and vitamin B12. Dr. Gerson (i.e., Gerson's daughter) prescribed four or more coffee enemas each day: I managed three on a good day. A castor oil enema every other day." Unfortunately, some people have grabbed onto the Gerson protocol and bastardized that one too. He goes on to describe his routine as eliminating all salt and sugar and talks about how difficult it was for him to maintain that diet. In addition to the Gerson protocol he took other supplements including 9 grams per day of vitamin C. He also visited an acupuncturist from time to time. And lastly, every day he spent an hour practicing the Chinese breathing technique of breathing through his toes and up through each and every bone in his body. He did stop his cancer. Did he "cure" it? It is doubtful. He has shown his personal protocol to doctor's and a Dr./professor Robert Kyle from the Mayo Clinic made rather long comments (in the book) regarding his treatment and in his opinion the cancer is stable (Gearin-Tosh survived for eight years on that daily regimen - more on that later) and attributed most of Gearin-Tosh's success primarily to the vitamin C. In reading the book I did get an appreciation of the Gerson protocol and were I to be in a dire situation regarding cancer I'd probably give it a try. But you know what? Like so many who get onto an alternative route he lived for eight years with stabilized bone marrow cancer continuing his protocol until the day he died, but he died from - guess what, a tooth infection!!!! He rejected antibiotics because he obviously thought he could beat anything with his protocol. I think many of us, myself included, when we get on a particular kick we sometimes ignore reality.
Several in the main stream media are finally reporting this study:
Of course the powers that be deny the study results:
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