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My father in Greece has stage 4 colorectal cancer. It is metastatic and has spread to his lung and liver. His life expectancy in the best case is 2 -2.5 years from the date of diagnosis, which was about 4 months ago. The worst case scenario is 6-10 months. The opinion of my uncle is that he doesn't have long and that I should come to Greece asap(I live in the USA). He is taking standard pharmaceutical treatments Avastin, Oxaliplatin and 5-fu, which failed to produce any positive results.
He has tried conventional therapy and it has failed. I would like to try to take him to the Gerson clinic in Hungary, but they have not responded back. Has anyone here had any benefit from "alternative treatments" with a similar diagnosis or know anyone who has?
Yeah, I am not going to stake my father's life on that nonsense from some anonymous nobody. I have taken quercetin, Vitamin C and different vitamins orally and never noticed anything, not even a speed up cold recovery.
Woo advice like that gives ammunition to deadly allopathic practitioners. It is no different than the people who take allopathic drugs for diabetes and cholesterol who attribute miracles to those drugs. Recently my hypochondriac grandmother disturbed the family peace when she ran out of her stupid heart medication for one day.
I have a breast tumor that I tried everything for but started getting smaller rapidly once using lemon and lime peel (the peel, or particularly the pith/white part contains strong anti canver compounds). I blend a whole lemon or lime in water in water-- it can be bitter tasting. You might feel sore aND sick the first few days. Juicing and the geron therapy is something I am starting also. Wheatgrass juice (you can buy the juice powder online) has been used by many people whsuccessfully to overcome cancer naturally (it really helps to mentally make you feel well due to its exceptionally high nutrition). I suggest watching the truth about cancer series (you might be able to find it on youtube) that interviews doctors and different pepole from around the world to go over all of the effective cancer therapies.
Cancer isn't cancer. Sorry, but breast cancer is nowhere near as serious or deadly a cancer as stage 4 colorectal cancer that has metasized to several other organs. You can do nothing for breast cancer and survive for 10 years statistically more often than not, infact in this short Gary Null Youtube documentary alot of thoughtful cancer experts say just doing nothing is often better for many cancers instead of conventional treatment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPsfJ4A-B_w&list=PLC3D4BD2F724926CB
If my Dad just takes lemon and lime peels because someone said so on this forum, he will definitely die.
You came here for alternative therapies which are a hell of a lot more mild. These suggestions are not bogus as if you go to pubmed you can find nimerous scie tific studies about its efficacy in colon cancer. Cesium chloride, laterile, etc are stronger but can't be utilized unless at a clinic and these things don't have a whole lot of science to back it up. Oh yeah blood root extract (not the salve with other ingredients) is very strong against cancers from anecdotes with no science to back it up.
"You can do nothing ". well first consult a trusted MD to see that there is really no life threatening issue. With advanced technology miniature tumors are detected early. Some regress without treatment, others may be false positive. Some doctors argue that DCIC and LCIS should not be called cancer at all. When there is no life threatening issues or after conventional treatment it is always good to apply CAM (see "Implementation of CAM in cancer treatment" by professor Zajicek). When cancer recurs it is considered as a chronic incurable disease. The objective of the therapy should then be to prolong dormancy. During dormancy tumor is either too small to be detected by current means or stopped growing and penitent feel healthy. There is more than a tumor in a cancer. It is an interaction between organism and tumor (the disease is driven by infecting virus, a so called aggressive tumor is the response of the organism to an aggressive viral infection). A good therapy plan takes into consideration host resistance and uses smaller drug doses and reduces its grave side effects to minimum.
Greyson therapy can be done at home with 14 juices a day from organic fruits and vegetables. So basically every waking hour he needs to consume juices. If that does not help he can start The Budwig protocol right away.
Supplements such as IP6 and Turmeric are very helpful.
Meanwhile you can try other Gerson Research groups to find more info.
Sure that is easy, 14 juices a day... Have you ever juiced? It is time consuming to say the least. I mean if I have to, I will do it or pay someone to help with that, but that would basically mean I would have time to do nothing but be buying and preparing and juicing produce and food. Plus I am unfamiliar with the Gerson treatment, coffee treatment, and his condition merits the cost of medical supervision. So I would really rather get a slot in the Gerson clinic in Hungary if at all possible.
on the quest for the ucre and global quest for the cure many have had good success one given 3 days to 3 months to live with multiple metasis areas and a large volleyball size tumor in stomach and one with pancreatic cancer in the 70s (the longest living pancreatic cancer survivor who also cured he more recent cancer by going to the hoxsey clinic now called the biomedical center in mexico.
Much much cheaper than going to gerson clinic as this is top of the line resort like setting.
Biomedical center is supposed ot be the cheapest clinic in Mexico and has been curing cancer since the 30s or 40s.
Must see film hoxsey the quack who cured cancer --also called when healing becomes a crime/.a search should show a free online showing Just dont have time to look right now as leaving.
here I got the link to free video for you..the courts declared hoxsey's formula did cure cancer due to the many people records in hand he saved who showed up each time he was arrested for healing people without a license or had lawsuit. he was the only person at the time to ever win a case against the ama
I think there lifetime fee is maybe around $3500
If you like me can't afford that I am going to at least make the hoxsey formula myself using bulk organic herbs and vodka into tincture form.
I would not only o that though but many things.
the clinic also uses a paste (necrotic) for external cancers and a diet I know vinegar is excluded now they also have some other thins like counseling and emotional work but om the old days was more simple..but recall that one lady with pancreatic cancer got healed in the 70s before they added other stuff. I think then they only used the two formuals and a diet that excluded not hat many things.
One can find formula online and they also used iodide which might contrast if one doing iodine therapy for cancer..I am gonna have to ask at that forum later if I ever get the time
When my wife was fighting cancer, I took her to Burzynski for brain cancer treatment.
You could not ask for a warmer or more caring group of people. The experience was amazing and was a great experience although my wife did pass later. She did last about 4 times as long as what her oncologist vehemently told her to expect.
While I did not get to spend a lot of time with Stan Burzinsky, he is someone who really cares about people and is seriously pursuing a cancer cure rather then just treating the symptoms.
After years of chronic pain (which put me into a negative emotional state where I even wished I was dead at times) and 1 year of having a root canal I noticed a small growth, a lump, under my right nipple. I did nothing about it for the first 3 months. Then I became sure it was cancer when a strong case of chronic fatigue overcame me, which is one sign of cancer. I then started anti-cancer regimens. I first electrified a root canal'd tooth to eliminate any on-going infection there (because dental bacteria produce toxins that disable cancer immunity) and then tried direct current treatment to overly acidify the tumor but my skin was too sensitive and burned. The best therapies for me were daily blood electrification, DC treatment of infected teeth, taping a strong 1.5" x 1/4" neodynium magnet over the area and sleeping with it*, and using infra-red light to heat up the cancer and allow more circulation for greater absorption of the anti-cancer nutrients I am taking. I made my own infra-red light source and noticed tumor shrinkage every morning after overnight use. Here are the supplements I took to fight cancer: Ultrazyme, Resveratrol, Zyflamend, Alka Green (barley grass), IP6 & Inositol, Artemesinin and Iron, and putting Frankincense Oil on the area. I had read that liver decongestion is important to reverse the strong cancer fatigue so I have done fruit fasting one day a week and that has helped significantly. Red/purple grapes are the main fruit because they have cancer fighting substances. Tumor tissue is thermosensitive, especially at decreased pH (acidic) and with subnormal oxygen (hypoxic). Hyperthermia (high temperature) increases the cellular metabolic rate, breaking down glucose to lactic acid and thus decreasing pH to very low levels (ie: acidic). High acidity and hypoxemia (low oxygen) also damage the vessels that nourish tumor cells, thus choking them off from the blood supply. High temperatures kill cancer cells and increases potent effects of herbal and nutritional anti-cancer therapies. Hyperthermia also damages the membranes, proteins and enzymes of cancer cells, making them more sensitive to other therapies. Immunological and biological effects due to heat are: accelerated emigration and migration of peripheral blood mononuclear cells, activation of effecter cells, induction and secretion of cytokines, and expression of heat shock proteins which reduces the growth of cancer cells. In an ideal treatment, temperature will be gradually increased up to 40C degrees (104 F) that lasts approximately 60 to 90 minutes.
After a few months I stopped treatments and only took IP6 & Inositol for anti-cancer supplements. A couple months later the tumor was gone.
*It is said that the north pole of a magnet needs to be on the skin for cancer treatment. I tried each pole on consecutive nights and found the south pole to have the greatest effect. But the magnets come unmarked and we have to determine which pole is which. The method I learned is that the north pole pushes away the north-seeking arrow of a compass. So I use the pole that attracts the arrow. Maybe the method for pole detection is backwards. Anyway I advise people to try both poles to see what difference they notice for themselves.
If you are looking for something that will treat cancer that is one thing, but if you are looking for treatment that will put him into remission that is not going to be done with remedies and diet changes.
Cancer begins through a complex toxic overload and changes within cells to replicate themselves in a damaged mode. A diet might help slow things as the lack of toxins coming in will help slow things but it will not cure. Remedies help slow things but will not cure things.
Putting someone into remission takes something scientifically strong enough to kill the cancer, in vivo not in vitro - it has to work within the body and be proven to do so not just testimonies - it has to be done without side effects or damage to the immune system; then we must expose and kill the cancer stem cells, finally to teach the immune system the cancer cells are the enemy and a major immune response. All this cannot be done using a few supplements or a diet or a remedy. Cancer is serious, some are more deadly than others such as colon and rectal cancers - these become aggressive much like pancreatic cancer, and move very quickly.
Jesicha's Hope seeks treatments that will create remissions on a consistent basis all across the globe. We have found one clinic that is right now consistently putting people into remission. Since most people seek treatments after they have exhausted conventional most of their patients are considered terminal when they come but go home in full remission. If you are wanting information on this clinic please email me: firstname.lastname@example.org Please understand - because of their success rate we have been asked to screen all people for security reasons. We will answer your questions and provide all the information you need.
GcMAF/MAF314. Dr Ruggiero in Italy has many videos on Youtube and elsewhere.
the enzyme theory of cancer--Dr-Gonzalez.com
various diets such as Gerson--well explained in Quest for the Cure series
Many supplements--Vitamin D, selenium, many others. cf Dr Rath in England.
Many other interventions to consider from cancertutor.com. He has some tips on which ones to stack.
You'll have to hit it from many different angles.
There are many fascinating recovery stories in Quest for the Cure series. The one that had the most impressive late stage recoveries was Rigvir. I bet that will be the cure for most cases of cancer, but when stacked with GcMAF, digestive enzyme therapy, anti-cancer diet and supplements should be a very powerful combination.
I had colorectal cancer but not metasticized to my knowledge. I did no conventional treatment but followed the Budwig Protocol. Of course I also did detoxes, superfoods, exercize, saunas etc, but it was the Budwig that really helped. I had horrible pain in the colon and as soon as I'd take the Budwig mix twice a day it would sooth it away like magic. As long as I took it twice a day there wouldn't be any colon pain.
The tumor was so large no stool could pass through. I was going to go in for chemo surgery etc, but thought I'd give Budwig a try til I couldn't stand it anymore. Little by little the tumor shrank away. I stayed on Budwig for five or so years to be safe leading a totally normal life of sports, running a business, raising a family etc. When I stopped the Budwig there was no more colon pain, tumor or symptoms - maybe 6 years ago.
Supposedly most of the patients Budwig treated had metasticized stage 4 cancer.
I HIGHLY recommend the Budwig especially for colon cancer. No guarantees it will cure everything, but at least it will greatly help with the pain, wasting, etc. and give a better quality of life if the whole protocol is followed.
I have a friend with bladder cancer that doesn't really believe in alternative treatments. He tried the Budwig anyway and so far says it really makes him feel better.
I have had this for so long and lived by maintaining..
I healed myself by trying many remedies then one worked. Here it is, I had been using coconut oil and a swipe of lemon juice and this seemed to help, I discontinued this when I then decided that the symptoms were similar to athletes foot or fungal infection,the cracking, splitting, going white when contacting water etc.
On Dr Ray Sahalien (hope got the name right)on his website he recommended soaking the foot in Epsom salts for 1 hour a week and said that the person was healed in 3 weeks. I decided to do the same soaking the lips in Epsom salts 2x a day this being e.c and not easy to get rid of, so this is what I did , I soaked them 6% Epsom salts(magnesium sulphate) to 94% volume water approx. I did this in the evenings,since skin and build up grows more at night, I then followed it with a slather of coconut oil while the lips were still wet.
The solution was blood warm not hot. Yes, it was boring doing the soak but I had do it or die with this ailment, I had some good music on during the soak, I also moved around a couple of seconds when it got tiresome, then returned back to the soak. I also lightly brushed them before and during the soak, you will see flakes of skin float off that is fine, the real disease is under the skin which is why the soak worked.
I also realised I have had yeast infection all of these years. I repeated this in the morning for about 5/6 minutes and while wet I would slather on the coconut oil a (known yeast and staph buster).
I waited 30 days before I decided to post my cure today is day 31 no peeling nothing. By the way the peeling ceased around the 3rd week, it got smaller and smaller and that's how I knew it was working, but I continued beyond 28 days just in case. I wore lipstick yesterday and nothing happened I have used rouge as make up for lips on the odd occasions, but yesterday and today I am wearing lipstick and I cant believe I am finally free. However, I am still cautious and did a soak this morning for 5 minutes.
If I have to soak them 5 minutes am /pm I will do it for ever if need be, I no longer have to plan which days the shedding is likely to occur or worry about it.
I am beyond thrilled it was so bloody easy but who would have thought Epsom salts!!!
Please don't suffer go to the chemist/drugstore and get some it is natures exfoliant yeast and bacteria buster!
E.C 30 plus years finally healed. Sorry my message didn't go where I wanted it to be, so I am writing again, please read my message and my cure I feel reborn..30 years plus is a long time with this ...... and I want those who suffer to get the message I sent which appeared lost on the forum site, to all sufferers if its yeast/staph there is a cure.
To answer some of the questions regarding my cure (more like credit to Dr Ray Sayhalian for the cure). I used a small bowl like you would for steaming your face, later I used a shot glass, then I used a small stainless steel egg cup which was more comfortable because of the round shape, also you don't have to use much Epsom salts in it so I can renew fresh each day. Yes I have sometimes had a pale tongue a sign of thrush and I noticed after soaking the lips for 30 minutes my tongue seems to get pinker as well, the salt goes through the lips into the mouth it seems. I would do the long soak at night for around 30 minutes then 6 minutes in the morning,and carefully brushed the lips before and during the soak, you will notice flakes of dead skin coming off...the procedure is boring but I held on seeing the results as they got better and better. Epsom salts are very relaxing, sometimes what kept me going was that its so calming and I can feel my lips pulsate like they were drinking in the healing waters, if during the soak you see white just lightly brush it off and it will soak off into the water. When I first did it, I put too much salt in order to get healed quickly etc.. no.. you must put at least less than 10% of the salts per volume to water it should be like very mild sea water, too salty and your lips will peel as a reaction to the salt, don't forget we are trying kill the infection/yeast without DRYING out the newer healthy baby skin,
I've had this ailment since I was 12 going on 13 years old. I got it from biting my lips; trauma, there was probably yeast in my saliva (too many sweets!) I basically infected myself, and then came Chapstick which made it worse. The Epsom salt soak unblocks the pores of the skin of the lips and allows blood to go there, where there is healthy blood circulating and salt, bacteria/yeast cannot flourish, the coconut oil which I used I use to think dried my lips out, was simply desiccating the already diseased skin but on wet skin/lips, the coconut oil glides on to the skin into the pores without drying them out.
I am wearing lipstick again today, I am doing it to see how the cure is fairing up, lipstick used to cause peeling within hours for me, so far nothing they are normal.
The reason I did the protocol for just over 28 days is because that is the time frame of healthy skin cells to be renewed.
I am not that great on the computer and so no, no pictures. When I got EC they peeled in a 3 day cycle (I didn't know how to control it) then to 7 when I started to moisturise with olive or almond oil ,with Noxema it went to day 11 ( it killed some of the infection for a bit I now realise) it went up to 16 days without peeling with manuka honey active with 15% hydrogen peroxide naturally occurring. The clue seemed to lie with the manuka honey, but after 16 days the bugs were back. Hydrogen peroxide I believe breaks down into oxygen where the bugs can't survive for long,but Epsom salts /magnesium sulphate contains an oxygen molecule making it different to household salt. The oxygen in it is what blasts the yeast/fungi/bacteria etc.. plus the salt in it allows the skin to breath, to disinfect, and heal and gets rid of the hyphae under the skin.
only those with EC would understand how I feel not having to keep an eye on how the lips are on a day to day basis although I learned to stretch out peeling days. I now do feel weird not having to think about my lips, I am adjusting to this new found freedom. In the early days they were a little less bad than Daniel Millers, later I learned to moisturise and when they peeled, they peeled, I had an unknown condition that flummoxed doctors etc. My opinion on the medical profession is that they will prescribe drugs, laser, etc for ailments, but for this kind of condition will, rarely tell you about folklore remedies like Epsom salts for fungal infections.
The soaking works because the disease lies underneath the skin, and the hyphae of the yeast/bacteria is below the skin surface which is why no lip balm salve etc.. can adequately heal this condition if you have in an aggressive form as I did.
To close I am going to follow Ibinns protocal with the probiotic tablets he recommended and cut my lip soaking to about 5 minutes in the evening until I feel safe to stop the soaking. I now use Epsom salts for the bath etc so I will never stop use it, its a mineral our body needs. I know I am healed because even if I do a 5 minute soak they don't go white and I am able to wear lipstick without them horribly peeling, but this being yeast I think I may need to continue the soaking for about 5 minutes each day and keep watch because yeast can reoccur.
All Epsom salts work, organic, food grade whatever I used the cheap one for baths that did the trick.
Did you get the white line inside your lips? I think that the white line is related to Candida .
This is my theory for the cause of ec: everyone here was a lip licker/biter . after the top layer of the skin was removed by biting, it left the skin underneath exposed and candida entered this raw skin when we licked our lips,it got infected with candida. The reason I am telling this is because I got it after taking antibiotics which causes yeast overgrowth. To back up my theory, I would like to mention the case of lees who cured his ec thrice and all the three times he got was because of accidently biting his lips which helped yeast enter his lips. He cured his lips by anti candida diet. So once we have our top layer back it will prevent the yeasts from entering the lips. Ibbins cured his lips with probiotics . sargvy and there are more I don't remember now . So I think that who got this by taking antibiotics can be cured by your method.
Again I am requesting you to please post the pictures of your lips . It gives us the hope that we too can have such beautiful lips. I am more inclined on trying a method if the cured person posts a picture,I don't know why but this is what I have observed. If you don't know how to upload picture, please ask I wil help.
Thanks for your contribution and I request you, please don't leave the forum until you don't have to do anything to keep your lips cured. Please keep us updated.
In regards to candida, if your immune system is strong it will fight it. A zinc deficiency affects the immune system. In particular, zinc is related to the mucous membrane skin barrier. Again, epsom salt contains zinc.
Here are some things including antibiotics that cause a shortage of zinc:
The white stuff is definitely yeast thrush infection, age 13- 20 suffered badly when I didn't know how to cope with this thing, when I stopped using Vaseline and switched to olive oil/almond oil the peeling cycle went from 3 to 7 days and that made a big difference. The less white the better the condition your lips skin is in, I know you would like to see pictures my computer skills are so for at the level where I can post a message thank God. Do not be disheartened about needing photos, if you follow my protocol you should see something in 21 days. Yes I did have the white inside my lips, and on my lips after say a drink of cola. I am not in the business of selling or promoting Epsom salts I fell upon the cure after having tried everything, if I listed them it would cover a page, wishing you well and a speedy cure.
Lily I have been soaking ny lips for about 5 days now,the peeling has really slowed down but my question is, is this just a way to manage or really a cure? How long did it take for your peeling to stop? Also are you still doing this treatment today ?
it is not hard to upload pictures oon this forum before and after, you should still do it. it will also help others so we can see if our lips used to look, like yours and therfore use this method to be cured. so unless you dont post before and after pictures, we cant tell for sure if your cured or not, maybe you didnt even have EC. please post pictures1!!
By no peeling, do you mean you haven't had to peel off any build up? I get loads of disgusting white build up/crusts and after about two weeks I always peel it all off because I can stand to look at it.
I am over the crusting, had it in my teens, when I did not know how to control this condition and didn't know what it was. I used to use Vaseline or chapstick on my lips and drank lots of cola, lips would peel and crust because of the sugar which would be feeding the yeast, so they'd be more white with more crusting, splitting, eventually to peel off. I didn't know about yeast I actually learnt about it since reading websites as curezone and earth clinic.
thats weird you would post an epsom salts cure when i purchased some about 3 days ago for a liver flush as i also heard that cures it. On a side note, i drank epsom salts and it was the worst thing i ever tasted, by the 3rd gulp i threw up lol. dont think the liver flush worked and i almost threw away the epsom salts. im praying soaking them isnt going to give me the same taste as i got by drinking them but im gonna try this right now. It makes sense. Also when did u first notice some changes, u said it got smaller and smaller was that instant or did it take like a week to notice, thanks for the post though
i mean i only started yesterday, i didnt measure the epsom salts but it must have been about 15% or so. soaked them for about 10 mins in warm water and the same this morning. Its way too early to tell but they seem softer, i had to peel yesterday so it might just be because its new skin or the placebo effect but ill keep you updated if anything changes
just a quick update as i thought it has added some significance. Im on day 3 and for the first time in about 2-3 years, ive just eaten a meal without my bottom lip + the rim around it turning the brightest red you ever seen. I havnt eaten in front of people in years because of this and i just finished eating and you wouldnt know it. Probably not a coincidence but i just thought id post that
Your post had me laughing, I tried to gargle with it and I had to gulp down and swish with normal water to get it out of my mouth..it is the worst taste ever, however later I did mix tiny amount of Epsom salt with bicarbonate of soda and I promise you I didn't threw up( in same proportion as I recommended for the soak).
Lily23 congratulations on curing one of the most difficult to cure conditions .
Can you please tell me how you got EC if you remember. Did you get the white line inside lips?
Do you have any other symptoms of candida? Like thrush. I have a white tongue but I am not sure if it is because of candida but it does not look like thrush. My tongue is coated with a white film.
Also can you please upload your before and after pictures of possible.
Hello, Lily! I want to ask you this item is good for the soaking the lips (Epsom salts 100% Organic BP / FCC Grade Epsom Salt Hexeal Chemicals Ltd.)[unfortunely, unfortunately I can't post direct link] and what proportion are you mix, example 1/2 or tea spoon Epsom salts + 100 ml water = it's a good ratio?
Do not be suspicious, I did not see the pics of the foot of the guy with the athletes that was healed from 3 years of suffering to being healed in 3 weeks, it was on that doctors website that I saw it, I am advising everyone to go their regular chemist/drugstore
chemist/drugstore to get the epsom salts I did not recommend everyone to go see doctor Ray whatshisname.
The science behind it inspired me also this was something I had not tried yet the nearest was Manuka honey active 15% hydrogen peroxide my peeling was in 16 days the manuka honey became flat and ineffective as the yeast grew back it didn't with the oxygen rich yeast busting Epsom salts, wish you a successful cure.
Hi lily. Can you answer few questions please.
1. After peeling did your lips look raw and red in color? And was there any inflammation after peeling ?
2. Most of us have ec on like 50%-75% part of our bottom lip. So when you were healing did that area became less or did the peels became thin and thin until there was nothing to peel
3. After peeling I don't have any lines on my lips . did the lines return ?
4. What was the first improvement you noticed which convinced you that epsom salt is curing you.
5. Did the white line stopped forming after you started saoking your lips in epsom salt.
Yes, after peeling they were very red, they were somewhat inflamed, the inflammation is in proportion to how badly split, peeled, etc they were as the peeling cycles got longer they peeled but looked more normal than when they were at a 3 day peel. I had top and bottom lips peeling etc...after exfoliating they were smooth but the the lips would harden and tighten up again before starting another cycle of peeling and exfoliation. I knew the salts were working because from the first time they felt very soft and I could feel the bubbly effect of the salts penetrating the skin of my lips but I was frightened that it might not work properly which was why I waited for over 30 days to post.
They were hardening and peeling the first week as normal but my skin seemed to stay soft for longer so that they couldn't tighten up to shed, I knew something was happening. They peeled after soaking in the first week gradually getting smaller and smaller in area, by week 3 the area shrank until I noticed that there was nothing to peel especially by week 4 they were UNABLE to peel, harden tighten split or exfoliate, the softness of the Epsom salt soak seemed to effect them for 24 hours so I continued the soaking until I realised that they were no longer exfoliating.I had the white line I had exfoliative cheilitis. I don't think,am out of the wood yet, am soaking them 15 mins again since I ate and drank freely last week, also reduced my soaking times to 6 minutes am and pm in the hope of moving on from this, the yeast is not completely gone, but I can eat drink more freely than before that is a huge difference to me.
Update on my condition, I went out on Saturday with a friend had cappuccino and pastry ate freely without worrying about my lips, the next day I had a threadlike split on my bottom lip in the centre. Anyway I wasn't too worried although I know that I am not out of the woods completely, so I brushed my lips lightly and soaked them in the Epsom salt solution for 6 minutes, it disintegrated into the water. By the way I had reduced soaking time to 6 minutes morning and night, but I have since decided to do maybe 15 minutes at night because in my experience its mostly overnight that the growth grows on the lips, if there is less infection at night there will be less build up in the morning. 30 minutes in the evening seems to be a rough time for adequately soaking the lips in order to cure /kill the yeast.
To Jason 1122, I decided to gargle or swish with the Epsom salt solution and nearly threw up, I was amused as I remembered your post, Epsom salt is diabolical to the taste, later I added some bicarbonate of soda into the epsom salt mixture and I can affirm that you can gargle, swish with it without being sick.
Brushing the lips lightly is very important, because it sloughs off the dead skin, stimulates the new skin and allows the Epsom salt solution to go deeper into the layers of skin, which is why I used to brush them again after about 5 minutes or so in the evening soak you can really feel the solution going through the skin. The protocol which inspired me was a guy who had athletes foot for 3 years, and said he was free of the soak after 3 weeks of soaking he also filed his foot (we brush our lips) to enable the solution to work more effectively, it takes roughly 21 days....this being ec I think it might take longer as lips are
liable to get wet several times a day and everyone has got it in different degrees.
When you said "I had a threadlike split on my bottom lip in the centre" and that it disintegrated in epsom salt solution, do you mean that there was crust on your lips which got peeled into the water ?
Also do you get any builup on your lios now that you are cured. And does your lips peel when you do the soaking .
The threadlike split was about a millimetre thin and also in length, it was negligible compared to before the soaks. I knew it was the last appearance of the yeast trying to fight back. Without the soaks it would have been at least a centimetre in size, trying to exfoliate surrounded by white exudations should I dare as to have a coffee or drink as normal people do on a day out and get my lips wet, since the soaks, no crusting, if I completely stopped the the soaks and say drank something sweet such as fruit juices cola etc they would start to go white and crust up. Its not going to happen now because I know what this is, I have yeast I also know its internal as well. 2 years ago I did the tablespoon of olive oil cure taken internally and my lips sort of flushed red but they still peeled I was intrigued but did not continue this as I did not really see it as a possible cure for my e.c which nothing was shifting, I basically I didn't believe that olive oil was the cure. I still take it sometimes a teaspoon when I feel like it,but I prefer it in salad.
There is No build up since the soak, you will have the joy of seeing the build up dissolve into the solution with each soak when you check in the mirror your lips will flush red because of the blood coming to the lips and the total eradication of the fungus yeast.
Your lips will get clearer of build up and you will see the skin staying on for longer, ps checking my diary they stopped exfoliating after 14 days, after which I kept up the soak thinking when are they going to peel?.. they didn't.
As you know I did it for over 30 days..to make sure they did not peel.
Just wanted to tel you a few things that you already figured out.
Candida and dysbiosis is a beast, beast that can not be fixed in 1 week.
While your treatment may fix the problem on your lips, do not forget that your lips are just a red light on a dash board, and that the real problem is inside your digestive tract, inside your liver, inside your intestines and your kidneys.
While you may be able to successfully treat infection on your lips with diluted Epsom Salts ... it will do nothing for your liver, your intestines and the rest of your body.
Please research the FMT ( fecal transplant ) , the liver flush , and learn more about the diets like the blood type diet , The paleo diets and The candida diets .
That is the way to address the problem on the level of your whole body, from inside .
Here you will find "few" more ideas how to fight candida:
There is hardly one single way that works for every single person!
Once you fix the dysbiosis and candida on the internal level, your lips will become immune to candida, and candida will never again be able to cause infection on your lips.
99.9% of people have lips 100% immune to candida. Somehow, because of internal problems caused by medications, your lips have lost that immunity.
To make them immune again, you have to work from the inside, or yor topical treatment will loose effectiveness after some time.
And, remember, we all have candida in our saliva. You can not eradicate candida 100%. It is suppose to be there! But, we also have hundreds of bacteria species in our saliva, and they are suppose to be there too.... but once that balance have been shaken ... it can take time to bring mouth microbiota to a perfect balance, where bacteria populations kees candida population under control. It is impossible to fix mouth microbiota without fixing microbiota of the intestines, as they all belong to the same body!
Candida is not suppose to cause problems and infections! That candida beast has been created by antibiotics, artificial hormones and other prescription meds!
Never again take any form of artificial hormones (p-pill, IUD), or you will never fix candida problem.
Thank you very much, this forum has helped me a lot, before this I thought I was the only person in the world with this. I had cross checked several posts and came to the conclusion finally that I had yeast. I am a bit embarrassed about my first post when I thought this was a staph infection, in retrospect staph is a by product of any infection but my lip problem was yeast, as you had suggested at that time in reply to me. I was not that aware of yeast at that particular time. After soaking them in the Epsom salts it was like finding the numbers of a combination lock, they stopped doing what they have been doing for over 3 decades, it was like magic.
I know that I have candida and I know I've got it internally as well as I believe do most of the sufferers, I have always used sweets especially chocolate as a crutch for feeling good, I did all of the diets on God's earth in my teens and twenties to clear this, I finally resolved this was something that I had and would probably die with, and l learnt to cope by using the constant moisture method. Later when I became a bit more computer literate I checked various websites to find a cure.
I know I am not out of the woods as it were. I also know that a lot of people with candida/yeast conditions are pre-cancerous, this is indeed the invisible beast, since my healing, I feel more able to do the liver flush etc because God knows what my internal health is like, knowing that I don't have to keep being distracted by the condition of my lips will enable me to do the liver flush and take care of the internal hygiene of my body with more dedication having seen what a small bunch of salts can do to ones life and health and well being.
Hi Lily. Congratulations on your cure! I can't imagine suffering from this for that long! Anyways, one quick question. Do you, or did you ever have Fordyce Spots on your upper or lower lip while suffering from this? I only ask because I'm trying to figure out if there's a difference in EC between those who have Fordyce spots and those who don't. Thanks!!
Do you really want me to explain all the things I tried? OK I will do a post, it will be long.....but I will do it next post. Please do not be disheartened. I coped by constantly moisturising them and then let them peel just by moving my lips about when I knew peeling day was due, then I would pretend I didn't have this .....thing and I would feel OK, until the next peel whilst also being careful not to eat anything that could upset the good condition of my carefully maintained lips the biggest culprit was spices, or spegetti Bolognese, or citric fruits. I consoled myself that there were others worse off than me healthwise, blind crippled,etc so I went dancing and having fun with one eye on the next peeling date due.
The lips sort of developed their own lines, since the cure if that is what you mean by wrinkles,they are too soft to harden, split, exofoliate and no white build up. yes they were inflamed afer peeling, and would go a pale colour the day after ( the white yeast showing through under the skin now I understand). I knew I was maybe healing after I passed by previous threshold of peeling cycle in 16 days..I continued the soak they continued to remain soft and normal and I kept going on day 30 I knew that this was working I could claim that I was healed, and I could let others know. I did the constant moisturising method for almost 2 decades.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzin order to live as normally as possible.
You would like pics, I didn't know a) I was going to heal to do before and after, and I wouldn't know how to set up the camera etc, this is one condition I would prefer to keep private, and eventually forget.
Ps how did I measure the Epsom salt to water? I put a few grains of it onto the tiniest tip of a teaspoon, put into a shot glass or egg cup holder or something small, top up the rest with warm water for a nice soak, can use cold I liked it warm.
Dear Lily, first of all - congratulations! I'm glad you're cured. Also, i'd like to thank you for sharing your experience and the cure with me and the others. It gives me and the others hope.
Moreover - i totally agree with you about the pictures. You owe these people nothing, if i were you i wouldnt post pics either, its an experience i'd like to forget.
Lily, i'd like to ask some questions if you dont mind:
1. How were you able to drink/eat? Whenever i open mouth even when im just talking, my lips peel just because of that simple activity so im curious how were you able to open your mouth without getting any peeling?
2. How often did you do it and for how long?
When did you start seeing an improvement? (For example in two weeks since u started doing it, in 3 weeks etc)
3. I struggle a lot when it comes to water. I have a problem with water on my lips and im sure that everyone has the same problem. The water peels off my lips easily when i brush my teeth or take a shower. So how did u handle that kind of stuff?
4. Did u go on a diet? Drink more water?
No one owes anything to anyone and no one is forcing her to post pictures. Its just a request . I understand that you don't want to recall this condition once cured, but just have some empathy for the fellow sufferers. Her pic will just answer a few questions we have like how does her lips look comapred to ours so that we can know if we see any improvement.
I request everyone to visit the site occasionally after being cured to tell us about the status of the lips and answer a few questions. The only thing that can cure us is communication. You can find hundreds of posts by different people 10 years back and many users left the forum and never returned. I don't think anyone with ec would not visit the forum regularly . They must be cured or must have found a way to manage their condition. Imagine if all of them had been active, we would have many more success stories and many more treatements to try. There might be a post which could have cured most of us but there isn't.
Lees posted few pics of his lips. His condition looks exactlt similar to mine. This gave me a hint that the cause for my ec could be the same as his and now I know for sure that candida is the cause.
You mentioned that candida is the cause in your case. You wouldn't have candida or oral thrush unless you had some immune system problem, which can be caused by various conditions. The key is to find the condition messing with your immune system.
Hi Ecaccutane, please follow the protocol Epsom salts in the evening 30 mins and 6 mins in the morning will kill this nasty infection. My heart goes out to you having read your posts, you will see a difference in 14 days you did not have this horrible condition as long as me. Fungus/yeast cannot live in a saline and oxygenated medium as is the soak. I will post all the crazy things I have tried, this worked because no one thinks of soaking the lips to effect a cure. I am cured, I can go out, eat what I like, etc..the only thing I am aware of now is that I have candida and I proved it to myself because the soak worked. I am now concerned about my internal organs and the need to clear the candida from within, the lips I have got sorted out.
You will have to trust me through the integrity of my posts that I am healed, the therapy works, and I don't know how to upload pics. my greatest communication to you is the cure, if you just soak your lips in the Epsom salt solution and see for yourself the results in around 14 days, it should work quicker with you since my condition was way longer than yours.
Hi SkyGirl94 thanks for your message, and thank you for being understanding.
To answer your questions,one, I am able to eat normally now but in my early life it was difficult,I avoided liquid foods like soup(around people) any foods with salsa, spices or vinegars example I wouldn't dare eat an orange my lips would peel into shreds. Later
I learnt to maintain my lips so they didn't peel easily,I used almond and or olive oil to keep my lips moist and avoided any offending foods.
Now I can eat and drink whatever I like, but I have candida and I have to be careful with diet sometimes.
Your second question, after soaking my lips I noticed that I exceeded day 16 the longest time in my peeling cycle, and I just kept noticing each day that there was no build up or peeling it just continued like that, by day 31 I realised I had done something,I could
say I was healed.
Third question, yes I too struggled with water, because water feeds candida, yeast, fungus, I don't have space to explain maybe Whiteshark can enlighten us, but I believe its because of the fermentation going on our lips
and the water shows up the dead skin fast. This is a common occurance with e.c we have all suffered,but again since the soaks I don't get this, the infection is diminished by the Epsom salt solution (being antifungal) my lips don't peel in water as they used to.
Fourth question, I have been on many diets, but I eat healthily now just fish veg, fruits, rice, sometimes pasta.
I don't drink more water than normal, my lips were dry because I had infection.
I encourage you to do the soak,and see how it works for you.
Lily please answer, I am trying the epsom salt method for maybe 6 days and I already had to peel, I noticed it slowed the peeling down but other than epsom salt what were you using throughout the day because my lips still get very dry. Also did you wake up with white look salvia when you wook up? Maybe I am not soaking long enough
Hi Garkech how is it coming along.
Are you soaking them in around 6% or less Epsom salts to 94% water. It should be not too salty. You should do it 6 minutes around this time in the morning longer at night 30 minutes because build up happens at night the worst as we sleep, do you put coconut oil on after soaking while they are still wet, to moisturise and protect them from infection.
If you stick the cure out by day 14 you will notice a big change and the chances are that the peeling will stop like mine did. Are you brushing them with a small toothbrush gently? Ignore the dead peeling skin you are not doing anything wrong the diseased skin is in the 3 layers of the skin of the lips, this is the first week of the cure and the diseased skin is coming off it has to, by next week you will see it getting less and less, be patient, sometimes I got build up but not that much I eat a lot of coconut oil in my diet because I know what I am dealing with.
Its normal for the diseased skin to peel, wait until the soaking goes into week 2 or 3 and you will see how its working for you. If you've got candida, you will be healed because the yeast fungus cannot reproduce in an oxygenated saline solution.
Wish you well and to continue this battle that's what it is.
Thank you for answering lily, it is just so frustrating to walk around with red lips and Ii had to peel because after a few days the lips were getting white and I had to go too work .How are you measuring the 94% water to 6% salt ? Also when did your lips stop turning white ? I noticed after a few days they started too turn white. Also what is your opinion about the muscosa that makes lips feel elastic and connected everytime I wet lips it goes away
Did you brush the lips before soaking or after? My Lips don't seem to be being healed, and brushing them literally rips the skin off, like it will leave raw skin underneath. And just to clarify, do you think if you stopped soaking them that the condition would return? Also the skin underneath the dead brushed off skin, what did it look like? Mine is bright red after I brush the skin off.
For those following the cure, forgot to mention do keep lips as dry as possible at least until the third week,so that you can give your skin a chance to become cured because fungus likes yeast. Use a straw to drink etc, keep them moist with coconut oil do not forget to brush them before and during the soak, ignore the white peeling skin, the disease is 3 layers beneath the skin and this is just the top layer that has to peel. By week 3 hopefully you should see the skin becoming clearer and pinker and more normal.
Do not skimp on the 30 minute soak in the evening (this long soak is what will help you to wake up without build up and eventually NO peeling)
My neck ached for 30 minutes but it was worth it after failed dermatologists, wasted money on creams and potions which didn't work. 30 mins is rough time it takes to kill off the yeast.
Am now gargling and drinking the stuff,
just under quarter of teaspoon of epsom salts plus half teaspoon of bicarbonate of soda in a tumbler glass of water. (if you don't add the bicarb it will make you want to throw up!..you've been warned)
I am taking a large Tspoon of coconut oil after, if it smoothed out my lips it should do the same for my stomach and intestines..goodbye yeast.
There are no rules gargle and swish for as long as you want spit it out, then drink down the rest of the stuff, beats oil pulling as a method of cleaning the mouth and tongue, which i couldn't do without it making me gag.
Hi I got it just before my 13th birthday, i used to bite my lips a lot, i wasn't aware of the damage I was going to inflict on myself. They were always dry and I was a chronic lip biter, and lip picker with a very sweet tooth, my mouth was always dry. One day I remember I bit them more than normal and after that they continued to stay chapped, dry and splitting, so I bought chapstick, after which they never got back to being normal. It became what I recognise now to be e.c.
Ps just before 13 yrs old spent long time sick with whooping cough I wasn't inocculated so it lasted months and I was given tons of medication. I must have had a form of yeast at the time from the medication and my diet as a kid.
Lily, thank you for the quick reply(in the comments above), also - thank you for going into details and providing so much information.
So when i'll start your method, would u suggest me to avoid junk food and drink lots of water?
Would u recommend me to eat carefully(without opening my mouth too wide), brush my teeth regulary and taking a shower normally without trying to avoid water on my lips or be super careful when it comes to brushing my teeth, talking, drinking, showering etc.
also, from your experience do you think that the weather playes a role in this condition?
For example, maybe it dries your lips?
If i understand correctly you are 100% cured, your lips dont peel and dont have any deadskin on, they look fuller again and they got their natural color back?
In addition, im actually surprised that u were able to heal while still suffering from candida, thats amazing because i always thought that first you'll have to cure the candida and only then you'll be able to heal your lips from e.c
The fact that your lips were normal again in 31 days, thats a breakthrough! Im really happy for you.
1. Eat what you like within reason, I have junk food twice a month, the rest of the time my diet is normal, fish, vegetables, fruit, rice, pasta no red meats or fowl.
If I try to be too strict with my diet i usually end up breaking it, so be kind to yourself, whilist maintaining a reasonably healthy diet the odd pastry or chocolate is OK i usually follow up with a spoon of coconut oil if I am going to indulge! in my coffee for example. Before I healed myself with the epsom salt soak, I have gone on many diets nothing happened, the condition did not budge.
2. You may be suprised to find that just by soaking the lips as I suggested that by week 2 hopefully you won't have
to be careful how you eat, because the saline solution will be automatically clearing the infection and your lips will start to become more normal. The coconut oil on wet lips also acts as a barrier so dont be too worried about how you eat. You are worried because your lips are probably feeling hard splitting and sore, and the idea of eating freely does feel not natural for you in their present state, I know because i have been in that position
3. Am i 100% healed..I am still soaking every other day for 6 minutes approximately in the morning or evening and putting on coconut oil, they dont peel, split, or go white, I feel I need time to slowly wean myself off the cure to be completely 100%, but I am delighted at how I can live my life now, so I havent stopped, like I said in a post if had to do this every day of my life (soaking them approx 5 minutes in the morning and evening) to maintain smooth lips, my lips are a normal colour because the yeast has gone.
4. I healed fast because I targeted the diseased area! with the right cure! My candida is manageable, but i know that without being careful with diet you know which foods I mean it can grow out of hand into some other condition. I too thought that in order to heal e.c you had to clear the candida from the body...that is the long way, the guy who healed his athletes foot in epsom salts didnt go on any diet I thought i havent tried this yet and it worked.
good luck with the cure
Ps its better to soak lips in small shot glass or egg cup holder cos its easier to do rather than a big glass!!
regards. Do you drink with a straw most of us had to, I would drink with a straw
until you see results.
Acid mantel of our skin is wacked by ec
I was delighted to see that epsom salts ph was around 5 like our skin. Have been asked if I am 100% healed, I feel healed because no peeling, build up, splitting, or whatever, but I am continuing the soak for about 6 minutes morning and evening. I will eventually wean myself off the soaks, I am wiping my lips after the soaks with a thin slice of lemon just the once over to restore the acid balance. I read that witch hazel is also very good diluted one part witch hazel to 5 parts with water. I then put on the coconut oil.
i mention this because our stratum corneum has been abused by many failed therapies and our own biting etc...
The epsom salts being almost identical to human skin makes it a safe option for prolonged use.
i don't know when i will stop the soaks, it's a small inconvenience for the huge inconvenience that e.c is in ones day to day life. We need to restore our acid mantle thats how the yeast got in anyway, through a damaged stratum corneum with yeast and enzymes in our saliva which made it a breeding ground for the ec to take hold.
Would like to take a small break from the forum and check back how people are doing. The infection is way below the skin and i dont know of any other method that can reach the skin in all its layers apart from one being water based, I tried oils, didnt work. Diets although good can be a hassle like living only on greens for a year! just joking.
Hello Lily, i live in France so my english is not perfect and there were some parts of your method which i didnt undersrand
What exactly am i supposed to do?
How do i soak my lips?
And is epsom salt was the only thing that helped u cure your lips? Didnt u do something in addition to the salt? Maybe applying a cream on lips?
I usually eat sweet food and food like pizza, hot dogs.. should i stop in your opinion? What exactly did u do
And in case u rubbed a cream on your lips how did u do it? Because whenever i apply a cream on my lips it makes my lips peel because i touch them with my fingers even though i do it gently
I apologize if i ask too many questions its just that im in my early 20s and i had this condition since i was 16 it was hard to go through my teens with this condition..
U also said to be careful when it comes to water & avoid water but from what i understand u soaked your lips in a bowl of water and epsom salt?
How many times a day should i soak them and for how long?
Yes epsom salt in water was the only thing that helped me. I put coconut oil on my lips after soaking them, read my Epsom salt Antifungal EC Post for step by step how i did it. Eat what you like while doing the cure.
I said it was better keep lips dry and not get wet because this disease is usually fungal, and fungus grows worse in water. However, soaking the lips in water and epsom salt and getting them wet kills the microbes on and in the lips so this is different from ordinary water.
The only reason your getting better lilly is because you are restoring the moisture back to them when you soak in Epsom water. Its not candida all doctor will say. You said to not get them wet and drink thruogh straw, well all you need is just water. Soak in water all you need. More water the better. Dont lick them. Seal in the moisture with honey.
I'd be interested to know the answer to this question too. Did you also use a usual moisturiser throughout the day to keep them comfortable? Or did you just do the epsom salt and coconut oil, then totally leave them along? I'm assuming you probably just applied coconut oil throughout the day huh?
And coconut oil is also the only thing you put on throughout the whole day yes? As in I don't just use coconut oil for after the epsom salt soak and then use my usual tea tree moisturiser during the day, instead I carry around coconut oil and apply during the day when I feel I need to?
Yes. Please post a picture. It is very easy to post pictures.
If you post your cured pics, people will try your method and will try it for a longer period of time as they know that you are cured. Right now we are not sure if you are cured or not. That doesn't mean that you are lying but picture speaks more than words. Your pic can motivate more people to try your method and get cured.I, myself am trying your method and I see no differnce as of now. I may even drop this protocol in a week if I don't see any improvement. But when I will see your cured pic, it will motivate me to try it a few days or weeks more and maybe it can cure me in those extra days or weeks. I hope you understand.
You can just click a pic of your lips and upload.
This is all what i could say to convince you. Rest it's upto you. I will try your protocol a few more days before giving up.
Would like to post picture if I had the time to get around learning how to do it. The guy whose post inspired me had athletes foot for 3 years and then soaked his foot in a couple of cups of Epsom salts added to water, I just adapted what he did, and used my common sense about the quantity, and there was no picture of his foot!
If you've got a lip fungal condition this will work, how many days now you doing the cure? What quantity of salt are you using to water? Some people are not sticking to the protocol as stated.
your better off just saying you dont want to do it but seems like you have something to hide you have the time to make a account and write these long post but dont have time to post a picture how hard could it be the problem with this website is i cant trust what people have to say!!
Hey everybody! just thought id check in and say hello since i haven't been active on the forum for months now. i still check once a week to have a read and see if anything new is happening. I'm really glad theres some good talk going on regarding with people working with their doctors.
anyways- time is finally on our side! were so close to new potential treatments just to name a few dupilumab, crisaborole these drugs are purely designed for eczema so if your like me and many other dermatologist who think ec is just a form of dermatitis,eczema get excited! the ointment is already filed to fda and is waiting for approval which is due by january so literally could be ready for the public by january/feburary. dupilumab is thought to be available for the public by march/may these new treatments are specifically designed for eczema so its very promising.
iv also been reading up on JAK INHIBITORS these are a new class of drugs which treat a wide variety of auto-immune and inflammatory conditions
i haven't been to a doctors office for a year now but in december ill be walking into a few clinics and trying to find a dermatologist who will help me and getting ready for hopefully some of the new treatments. there are a couple of other treatments iv been reading up on but i think these 3 will be my options for 2017.
im a strong believer ec is from the family of dermatitis/eczema and I'm quite positive next year is a LIFE CHANGING YEAR! iv waited a long time for this and its finally here can't wait any longer i just hope it comes quick because iv missed out on so much in life.
apart from that lifes been alright. Iv got quite a few forced spots now which are appearing which sucks but it is what it is. I'm quite certain once the lips are cured the spots won't be so noticeable. iv really switched the hope button on since the last couple months because iv finally got new treatments to try which gives me hope!
anyways hope everyone is going ok. don't give up guys and if anyone once to contact me just message me and ill get back to you eventually. i will check back during the week if anybody wants to comment!
these new drugs are a whole different ball game my friend. completely different and for immunosuppresents they all work differently in the body so just cause one doesn't work doesn't mean another one won't. and I'm quite confident ec is a form of eczema and iv had professors and also standard dermatologist tell me this. i don't believe barely any of all the bullshit cure claims on this forum. dank and patrickchao both displayed proper info regarding process and also documented with pictures through the stages of healing.
You are confident that the peeling is EC because of dermatologists etc.. dermatitis/eczema is just inflammation/irritation of the skin..in the case of psoriasis it is an autoimmune reaction.. the question in all cases is why? Certain people may be more genetically predisposed to developing this condition but they don't occur without other environmental conditions/toxic exposure/factors. Don't you want to know why this is happening to you rather than try another atopic treatment?? Why don't you get a full thyroid check up + adrenals like I am ? Have you had this done already?
All immunosuppresants work the same, they suppress the immune system.
In regards to immunosuppresants yes that is correct they all suppress the immune system but in different pathways. They all have different mechanism of lower immune activity.
In regards to eczema not being a auto-immune disease you are wrong. do your research and read the latest medical research papers which have confirmed eczema is indeed a autoimmune disease.
eczema can effect the body in any area and can effect lots of area or small areas. The symptoms of eczema is thickening of skin, crusty/flacky skin, red/irritated skin, swollen/inflammation, high tendencies of secondary infections. we have all these symptoms.
I think you've misunderstood.. I didn't say anything about calluses ?? Where did you read that ? .. I didn't say ezcema was not an autoimmune disease...
What I'm trying to get you to understand is that autoimmunity is happening for a reason, why are you pinning your hopes on a new drug which is only going against the body and creams/ointments which only help maintain this problem?? I'm trying to understand your logic
tergot iv had full extensive tests both through public doctors and private doctors. iv had full adrenals count thyroid. iv had extensive stool analysis iv had special immune blood test which cost a fortune. iv tested alot of things and spent literally thousands. Iv had colonoscopy iv had endoscopy iv done alot mate iv had over 6 biopsies. The only thing ever found which i had was large amount of inflammatory cytokines in my biopsy were they literally took a quarter of my lip off.
There is no way apart from viewing a patient to diagnose eczema thats why they can't find anything in my tests. (well thats what i believe)
the only other thing i found was a had a bit of gut dysboisis. Thats why i laugh at people who say candida this candida that just get a couple of good quality stool test yes they cost alot of money but id rather spend couple hundred bucks rather then listen to some bullshit some naturopath is going to spin me about candida (all naturopaths told me i had candida then one finally told me about stool tests and both of them came back as normal levels of candida/yeast cost me about 450 bucks for the 2). iv been around the block unfortunately iv done hundreds of hours of research eczema just makes sense if its not eczema i will generally then have no clue in the world to this mysterious disease/condition
I get what you mean by going on what you've been told by doctors. When there was something off with my T cells in my immune system my doctor overlooked it or wouldn't have mentioned it to me if I didn't point it out. When I did point it out, he didn't know much about it. So, he just said the more blood tests you take you're going to find something wrong. He said nobody's perfect or has something wrong. But he won't tell you if there's something wrong that he isn't experienced with. I agree that you should always ask the lab or doctor for copies of all blood tests even if they said everything was normal.
About the gut dysbiosis...I recently had a chinese facial reading which gut dysbiosis in small intestine was suggested as the cause of hyperkeratosis.
iv seen all my blood test both from public doctors and also private pathology clinics. there been hundreds of people had extensive testing with nothing showing wrong with anything. yes some of us might have a bit low levels of certain vitamins and this and that but thats not the root reason why we have ec. iv had medical tests from both doctors and naturopaths.
Nothing has shown up as i said previous except for large amount of inflammatory cytokines which was found in my biopsy.
Unfortunately i threw all my copies out a longtime ago and all my info regarding ec out of frustration. of course my general doctor who i see has all my reports on file. and even if i went and got them all and showed them online it won't achieve anything and would be a waste of time. iv had my results been checked through by several dermatologist/speacialist including one professor so i can get different opinions as its always good to get 2nd opinions and nothing is wrong. Theres been plenty of people get extensive testing on this forum with nothing.
at the end of the day you can do all the tests in the world. i can promise you it won't be a test that fixes you it will be a medicine/treatment which will fix you. There no secret we have an inflammatory condition attack inflammation. best of luck to you and everyone talk to you guys in couple months not long now! peace
JSL with all due respect that isn't extensive, you might think it is, but it looks as though you've relied on the opinions of doctors instead of research yourself? What were you thinking throwing out your files?? Did you EVER check them yourself? Be honest? Have you ever looked at all the different proteins, hormones, etc ??
What type of cykotines were found, was it more than once? Why was this dismissed by the doctors, what reason was given ?
I would approach them again and get all your stuff sent to you and have a look over everything properly. Why wouldn't it achieve anything posting them online? You've developed a defeatist attitude. I also had the opinions of a senior and consultant dermatologists, you have to get your head around the fact that these doctors are worthless. They are experts (if at all) in disease not health, they can't help us... at the end of all that you say you are relying on modern medicine again for a cure when we all know it's about selling/marketing product. They are still happy to approve products that kill people.. why should you trust in them?? The pharma industry is the most, if not one of the most corrupt industries there is.
Please man try to get a hold of your medical files and see if you can upload some of it (especially the blood tests). It would help me and I'm sure others that are prepared to analysis the data and not leave it to some overlpaid white coat to say they can't help us. What have you got to lose ?
p.s. I don't think there are many people on here that have extensive testing, it's mostly anecdotal/unproven cures mostly involving people that then suddenly disappear again.. show me anyone besides say longterm, that actually look into their proteins/hormone levels.. on here it's mostly a pile of f*** lip treatments, putting stuff on the lips etc etc, I'm past all that..
It's amazing because you've developed a blind logic, you are talking about autoimmunity issues (which I agree and want to talk about) yet 'oh it's all hopeless we've just got to wait for some new product'.. what the f*** man ?
tergot doctors are honest enough to take your money and say it could work there just trying to take your money i asked my doctor about nutrition and herbal supplements and he was honest and said it will not do anything and it cant be the cause dont let them take your money for test
Yeah I'm not saying they don't.. where have I said I'm pinning my hopes in a naturopath? I've seen one twice, the first time was a free consultation, and I have absolutely no interest in buying supplements and going on stringent diet plans but the tests may bring up something, if not they are expensive one offs that I can afford to pay for. What I value is the hard data, because I can use it to research, and I know nobody is going to spend as much time trying to fix my problems as I'm prepared to do.
but jsl all immunosuppressant work the same my doctor but me on prednisone and said if it worked i can go on imuran but said theres no point of going on imuran if prednisone did not work well because it does the same thing and is likely not to work as well
if something as strong as prenisone wont work and everyone reacts to it with inflammatory conditions what makes you think others will maybe something to keep a eye on but i wouldn't get my hopes to high
tiger whereabouts are you right now in terms of the condition? Would it be possible for you to have some blood tests specifically focusing on the thyroid, T3, T4, TSH etc (if you haven't already) and then post it here?
It would help me bounce off of someone that's willing to look further into the data and is not only open to lip management methods
iv seen a specialist that specialises in hormones. iv seen half dozen immunologists iv seen professors that specialise in rare disease. There is No answers. The inflammatory cytokines proves nothing its not rocket science to figure out we have an inflammatory mechanism going on in our lips. most people would have a elevated level of these inflammatory cells if the doctor does a good/deep biopsy. Im hoping its th2 driven and new biological treatments will disenable that inflammatory mechanism. The issue with white coat useless doctors is incorrect i use to think the same but then daniki came along and changed all that. The issue with inflammatory conditions is for example 1 person can take prednisone and all there symptoms disappear the next person with the exact same disease/condition can take prednisone and it not effect the condition or symptoms at all. This doesn't mean we all don't have the same form of inflammatory condition or all have the same different kind of dermatitis it just means peoples body reacts differently. Danikis immune system was dropped through imuran which means her immune activity was lowered which then suppressed the symptoms and her lips cleared. Theres been over half a dozen people claim that there lips also improved/cleared through prednisone which is another proof that the immune system is driving this condition. In regards to creams and ointments yes your right but thats because were using creams and ointments that DONT WORK once there is one of course it will be different. imagine if you could go to bed put an ointment on and have normal lips and zero symptoms! it would be amazing. Trust me the medical world is now pursuing treatments for dermatitis/eczema/inflammatory conditions now because its big big money next year there beginning to become available so now is not the time to stay away from them now is the time to finally see them. In regards to take all your money iv seen all kinds of doctors and it was intact the naturopaths that literally sent me broke thousands and thousands of dollars on supps and appointments and test for nothing. if you want your money stripped go see a bad naturopath they will promise you the world and deliver nothing. in saying that of course I'm sure there are a couple of great naturopaths out there but iv been down the natural way and its not for me.
Atopic Dermatitis Found To Be an Immune-Driven Disease
For the first time, a team led by researchers at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai has proven that atopic dermatitis, also known as eczema, is an immune-driven (autoimmune) disease at the molecular level. The study, a collaboration with Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Sanofi and Rockefeller University, was published online earlier this month in the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology
Listen to me please if you want to go do the natural way and get tested by all the good tests that are out there go see a highly regarded functional medicine doctor if you don't want to go the natural way which i will state takes minimum 6 months to see results which i believe is more like 1 year go and find a very very very good dermatologist or immunologist. DONT waste your time and money on bullshit claims and all the bullshit that is spun on this forum. if someone is truly cured they won't need to do anything to their lips they won't need to moisturise daily or follow some sort of "treatment prodocal they will simply be free of our condition and have normal lips again. If theres one thing ill say is unless someone can back up there cure claim and have well documented info and pictures and not say they have to do this daily or that daily etc etc IGNORE IT. danikis stated clearly and patrickchao that the lips are 100% back to normal. ATTACK THE INFLAMMATION THE IMMUNE SYSTEM IS OVER ACTING DUE TO SOME ELEMENT! one thing also is daniki would most likely have to continue to be on imuran longterm people with eczema 99% of the time when they stop immunosuppressant the condition comes back after couple months because the immune system fires back up. our disease is at a molecular/cellular level coconut oil or vaseline or what ever doesn't effect it and for heaven sake leaving them alone is not the answer daniel miller proved it.
jsl i am taking prednisone right now for 8 weeks and will take imuran when i am done because it did help a little but that alone wont do it i have been leaving my lips alone for a couple months and they have improved ALOT since the first month i started the goal is to take out the inflammation but it will never go away if you peel them all the time it just wont now since i started prednisone it helped but not to the point where it will cure you.. but with what i am doing leaving my lips alone with coconut oil and taking prednisone it has helped alot and im on my way to getting cured my lips used to be 90% ec now its 40% my outer lips are healed and upper lip completly healed like i said the goal to stop the inflammation imuran and others will help but its not enough
tergot let go all the blood test stuff i wouldnt count on it you can look at others changing there diet to a perfect one without any improvements at all i never had any health issues my entire life i am actually physically gifted and never had any skin issues nevr had any acne my skin is softer then baby skin never had rashes or anything i got this because i was licking my lips constantly ocd behavior witch chapped them and i was bitting them
you should start the imuran while on prednisone and slowly reduce the dosage of prednisone. the prednisone gives the imuran kind of like a helping hand. and wait a second did you use to have ec on both your top lip and your bottom lip and now your saying the prednisone hasn't cleared the top lip completely and you now only have ec on the bottom lip? if so thats fantastic! and exactly what dosage of prednisone are you on? and what dosage of imuran does your doctor recommend for imuran? please take photos during your journey so we can see the process if you get completely clear. and your right in a way you will never get "cured from ec BUT imuran could compleltely clear all your symptoms that is the goal right to have normal lips. and in my opinion it doesn't matter if you peel or don't peel if the medication works for you it will go away remember its on a cellular level. Also you can't be certain you got ec from old licking lips i think its a possibility but lets be honest we will never know the true reason behind the condition for all we know it could be an allergic reaction to something our lips once came into contact from a wide range of things but we won't go into that. please keep us posted good luck
i didnt say the prednisone cured my upper lip completely.. it was healing by leaving it alone and it got even better with prednisone and now completely normal and my doctor would never put imuran and prednisone at same time thats just careless we dont want big side effects it could be very serious im on 30mg and going to taper down and i do beleive you can get fully cured my top lip is fully cured what i said was it will never cure if you keep taking off the build up the cycle will just restart causing more inflammation the goal is to stop the inflammation imuran or prednisone wont do it alone for me it will only help.. my doctor said i will go on imuran if the prednisone seemed to work because its the same thing just safer to use for long term and my doctor is not crazy enough to put me on 125mg imuran so dont encourage huge dose side effects could be very serious but i will let you guys know how it goes i have appointment in 4 weeks to go on imuran
dosage really comes down to weight and how your body reacts to it. i believe the normal range for most people is between 50-100mg for imuran I'm a pretty big bloke so that why i was on the larger dosage. Im not encouraging anyone anything. I'm giving my point of view and what i think. As always consult your doctor when deciding a new treatment. in regards to imuran and prednisone together many doctors do it especially if a patient who has an inflammatory condition flares while on there usual immunosuppresent drug. Good luck
I thought JSL wrote a past post that he took Imuran, but it didn't work for him. So, I don't get the continued interest in these type of drugs. Also, fungal or bacteria infections cause inflammation in addition to allergic reaction.
only when you have serious inflammatory pain like chrones and others not just for the lips weight doesnt matter when it comes to the lips it does when the body but we will see how it goes and figure out if we neeed higher or lower will let you know
The main issue I have is that you clearly don't study your own lab results, and as we both agree that most doctors are not dilligent in spotting problems, I can't see why you wouldn't check them yourself??? Is it just that you can't be bothered ??
Lab results could be more on the mild side than the severe side for something. For example, my elevated liver enzymes were on the mild side, but it should still have been in the normal range. I had a few other lab results like that which got back to the normal range after I went on s gluten-free diet. So, mild results still mean something.
I agree. I'm seeing the endocrinologist for the first time on tuesday and I'm pushing for rt3, t3, tg & tp. My TSH of 4.56 is 3-4 times what it should be for someone my age and I want to bring that down. You say your TSH is now fine and your lips still peel? I want to rule out by process of elimination.
My ND has me on a liver cleanse (not a flush), that also helps cleanse kidneys, colon, etc. I have had chronic diarrhea for over a month and before that several times a week, as well as major anxiety, adrenal fatigue, tachycardia, digestive issues, etc. I have all the signs of a sluggish liver. The cleanse has been great so far in many ways. My diarrhea is now more solid, my anxiety has gone down by at least 50% and my tachycardia is a lot better. The problem is, I am going to the bathroom so much that my rectum is beyond raw and bleeding slightly. They warned me that I would be going a lot, but I have almost another 3 weeks on this. I have had a long term hemorrhoid, so I am sure it is irritating that. Other than maybe some vaseline, can anyone recommend anything to help take away the rawness and bleeding? Thanks.
I did not have any issues with bleeding ormthe raw rectum with te diarrhea. It is only since it has formed solid that it has become an issue - that and the fact that I am going multiple times a day due to colon cleansing effects of the supplement.
If the cleanse herbs are causing acidic stool then add in bicarbonate to alkalize. What herbs are in the formula? Too much cayenne pepper or turkey rhubarb can cause burning. You could also be killing off pinworms in the rectum which will cause bleeding when they separate from tissue.
Colloidal sliver gel got rid of my hemroid. Yes you have to put it up your bum. Your best bet is to do a 90 day juice fast and take gi broom to help clean your intestines out.
This will also clear your lymthic system and get your kidneys filtering. I have similar systoms as you and after two week of the after I'm about 80% systom free. You can't cheat during the fast. Orange juice seems to be the best for kidney filtering for me at least.
Ozonated water will help heal the kidneys and detox them. Be careful ozonated will have very powerful detox systoms. After the fast stay on a fruit only diet humans are not ment to eat meat starch dairy or any grains and very little vegetables.
We simply don't have the digestive system to break down anything but fruit.
You need to stop spreading your bullshit without citing sources, where in the world are you getting information sayin humans aren't meant to eat meat, and only fruit? That's a f***ing horrible idea. That's the same shit that killed steve jobs. If anything you should be avoiding fruit, and eating mostly fat and protein with vegetables. It's been proven sugar is was feeds many cancers and diseases.
Need to detox my friend I been exactly where you are just a month ago. Go on a fruit juice fast for 90 days. You have lupus same as me. It will get to the point where it is attacking your brain and eyes.
Do a 90 day juice fast and take gi broom every day. Take iodine in small amount every day. Then eat only fruit diet.
You don't do this you will die. Or wish you would die.
A juice fast is the last thing someone should do if they have adrenal fatigue, that doesn't make sense.
It also doesn't make sense telling someone "you have lupus" based off of one post, this is exactly why I tend to avoid websites like this. It's fear mongering and people throwing out bullshit diagnosis based off of nothing. You should never tell someone they have a disease.
Let me share my story with you on folliculitis. I don't really know how it developed but I know I've had it for a little over two years on the back of my scalp.
I remember it being really sensitive when touched and would sting or have that burning sensation. I went to my primary doctor and was prescribed Amoxicillin but it did nothing for me and so i never went back. Thinking it would just go away, I did nothing for it besides changing up my shampoo to Selsun Blue Medicated, which gave a nice cooling effect but didn't rid me of this condition.
During this time, I would simply try to leave it alone but as i would get the crusted follicle, i would begin to pick at them not knowing what would result from it.Because of this i developed a small hypertrophic scar (about the size of my pinky nail) which i feel is extremely embarrassing and i have grown my hair out to cover it up and also the bumps. Thankfully my hair is dark enough that it is hard for anyone to see anything, but i would like to cut it shorter how i normally would.
I've recently had a change in my life which in return, has allowed me to focus more on myself and research this condition. Since then I have learned that there is no "go-to" cure for this as everyone has had different results from using several remedies. I did a little research and began using raw unrefined coconut oil on my scalp in the morning and at night along with soaking distilled white vinegar on a rag on the affected areas for roughly 20- 30 mins a day. This seemed to do okay but I don't feel it was working all that well as my folliculitis became more tender and would sting after the vinegar, so i stopped..
Shortly after i started using turmeric as i heard others with good results.. i was using 1 teaspoon in a small glass of water 3x a day.. i felt like this was working a little, maybe it was just me, but eventually i stopped this as well, i think i became impatient.
I got sick of this and made another doctors appointment and was prescribed Doxycycline, it worked okay but it never fully got rid of it. it seems that is the case with mostly everyones use with any antibiotics. so i was suggested to visit a dermatologist. I made the appointment and went. she scrubbed through my hair for a few seconds and simply prescribed me doxycycline again "since i had good results." This was not only very discouraging since i felt like i was rushed in and out of the office, but I knew i didn't want to rely on antibiotics for a long period of time knowing the effects it can have on your body. I received the antibiotics but i never took them.
I've come to the point where it almost felt hopeless that i can get rid of this but i stumbled upon another members cure where he visited an acupuncturist and was free of folliculitis and it gave me hope.
Within the past 2 months or so, I decided to change up my diet significantly.. I gave up all sodas, energy drinks, alcohol/liquor, highly reduced my intake with foods that have high sugar contents, I try avoid any fast foods when i can and began trying to eat more healthier and I drink a lot of water! I feel this has had a good effect on my folliculitis and hasn't caused any flare ups/itchy feeling/scratching that i would normally have with my old diet. Now i am not cured but i feel a lot better. I've lost close to maybe 15-20 lbs, which is great, seeing that i am overweight some. I've even gotten compliments from people who have noticed my weight loss which is a good confidence booster, especially when this condition can bring you down.
As i mentioned, i saw another users cure (Gmac168) and became curious about acupuncture and oriental medicine. I spoke briefly with a local Doctor of Oriental Medicine about my condition and she felt that she could help with this since she has also helped other with skin conditions. So on 10/20/16 I booked an appointment with her and had my first acupuncture session. during this session she also did a pulse reading, took a small sample of blood and checked the color of my tongue. now i cant remember 100% about what was said about each one but she stated my body was out of balance, that i have a lot of heat and dampness trapped and that the acupuncture can help but i also needed to have some sort of detox to clean out my system. so after my first session, she recommended i get my internal system situated first, receive acupuncture on each visit there after but also begin the turmeric again but on a higher dosage (3 tablespoons per day) and also one cup of warm water with 1/2 squeezed lemon every morning to help with digestive issues. Now it's too early to detect any major improvement but i can say i feel better.
I had my second appointment, had acupuncture.. but this time was also recommended to begin a paste made with Goldenseal/Turmeric and apply it to my scalp. now i haven't began this yet simply because i haven't found golden seal but i can keep all of ypu updated as i go! I'm hoping this works out for me and can help all of you as well...
Hi, I have not posted on CZ in a long time, but I need some advice.
I have a rather large lumpy area in my right breast on the outer side. It feel like it's part of the milk duct area or very near to it.
I understand that many pre-menopausal women get polycystic breasts, so I'm thinking this may be my issue, though I realize it's less common to have that condition in just one breast. Breast cancer is a possibility as well, though this mass is rather moveable and somewhat sore, and I've read that breast cancer tends to be hard, stationary, and painless (?).
In either case, I'm thinking Iodine would help. I've never been able to tolerate it well, but having this large mass in my breast is a little upsetting, and I'm terrified of going to a doctor with this problem (they would probably kill me with their treatments, even if it turned out to be only a cyst), so I thought I'd try Iodine again.
Can anyone remind me of how much to take per day and what the extra supplements are? I think it's 50 mg/day? I have a lot of Lugols here so I can start right away.
Companion supplements -- at least 1/2 tsp of unprocessed salt daily with 2 quarts of water. More of each may be desired. Magnesium 300-600 mg or more, Vitamin C 3000 mg spread out, ATP Cofactors one a day (includes both B3 and B2), selenomethionine 200 mcg. Use zinc 25 mg if skin problems start. If detox becomes overwhelming, stop for 48 hours to let your kidneys rest.
For breasts, I'd work up to 50 mg Iodoral or Lugol's and fill in the rest with SSKI. If you're in the U.S., Trapper's SSKI cannot be beat. It has 23 mg iodide per drop.
Thanks so much! I looked up the companion nutrients and started on 50mg iodine (Lugols) yesterday along with the companion nutrients, though I could not find the ATP co-factors at the health food store. Is b-complex ok?
Amazingly, my lump already feels softer and squishier today, or maybe it's just my hopeful imagination....but I do think this is the best course to take, so fingers crossed!
It took several months for my breast lump to recede into nothingness. I still don't miss it! B complex is a good backstop and gives you the B's other than B2 and B3. My only question is whether you'll get enough B2 and B3, which the Iodine docs emphasized. You can try it to find out. People have different needs. If you decide to try ATP Cofactors later, it can be purchased on both iHerb and Amazon.
Do a 90 day juice fast and take some herbs. Could be cancer don't mess about with that. I'm sure it just stagnate lymthic. You need to do a juice fast to get your kidneys filtering properly and flush it out.
Thanks everyone. I'm on the iodine protocol now, with all the companion nutrients. I'm also taking neem, and will start cleaning up my diet even more. I'm open to fasting, but I wonder if a juice fast will be too much carbs. Ketosis is known to be hostile to cancer cells, so I'm trying to stay in ketosis, with an extremely low-carb diet.
I've recently tried the L-Arginine + L-Citrulline combo in order to raise nitric oxide as I knew this was the cause of my ED and just WOW - works very similarly to v1agra and it's a much cheaper and safer alternative.
Arginine and Citrulline relaxes the blood vessels and increases overall circulation so this combo would not work for those suffering from performance anxiety but for a lack of nitric oxide, it works beautifully.
I don't take it every day - only before sex.
4 gm of arginine
1 teaspoon (5gm) of citrulline
1 K2 capsule
After the age of 29 to 30 yrs old, our Nitric Oxide begins to plunge and this is what causes heart diesease, high blood pressure & erectile dysfunction.
v1agra was originally developed to treat the plunging levels of Nitric Oxide in our cardiovascular system. However, L-Arginine + L-Citrulline combo does the same as v1agra. If you are older than 40 yrs old, then you need to take L-Arginine + L-Citrulline combo every day to prevent heart disease and to restore youthful arteries.
I have had the Mirena in for 18 months and have felt a steady decline in my general health, in particular experiencing joint pains and in the past couple of weeks leg pains so extreme in my calves - I also haven't had a period in two months and have had ever increasing PMS symptoms - I haven't been worried about possibly being pregnant because early on after it was inserted I missed a period and was late a couple of times for a couple of weeks. This is the longest so far I haven't had a period and I feel absolutely horrible. I found this forum after searing the web for Mirena side effects - wow! Now I don't know what to do - I like the convenience of not worrying about BC, but on the other hand, I'm 44 years old and feel like I am over 100 - any ideas on how to talk my husband into a vasectomy anybody?
How about having him choose between a vasectomy or condoms? It's his turn. You've been a birth control martyr for a while.
And I have had the same pains. Mine has spread all over my body. Leg pain, musculoskeletal pain and tendonitis are listed side effects of Mirena. So is just plain "pain" and influenza-like symptoms. These and many other side effects can be found listed at:
Thanks for linking me to that document. I'm going to print it out and we can both read it - it probably explains alot of what I'm been going through this past 1 1/2 years. Did you have yours removed? If so, did the pains stop? I also think I'm getting these "palpitations" some of the others have mentioned.
I did have the Mirena removed 8 days ago. So far, I haven't been able to tell a difference, but I have been told that it can take a couple of months for the hormone to get out of my system. I haven't even had my period yet.
I probably made it worse from my impatient because I really overdid it over the weekend, trying to do things that I have been in too much pain to do. (I'm 30 and feel like I'm 80.) Also, I've been sick this week, so I feel bad anyways.
I will be here to let everyone know when anything changes and my symptoms go away. I am still hopeful that having the Mirena out will help since there is no other "cause" of my symptoms. I had gone to an orthopedic dr. last summer and was tested for everything under the sun and have nothing wrong with me. I'm just in lots of pain. My only fear is that whatever the Mirena did, it left permanent problems. But it still early, so I'm optimistic.
Sorry to hear of your problems with mirena. I also had a similar experience, in particular severe leg pain/cramping/tingling. I had my mirena removed today after 7 months of adverse symptoms and am wondering if leg pain eventually goes away and how long does it take for your body to return to normal. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Could any of the neurological and muscular disorders they are finding be caused by the Mirena? I have neen suffering with all of these symptoms and more for 6 months. Drs are baffled and have been treating me like I'm making things up for pain meds. Today I went in andtold them no more pain meds. I want answers. So they finally did bloodwork. I was searching I found this page. I'm pissed because not once did they mention Mirena issues as a possibility! I'm 41 and barely functioning because of the pain. Change in my eyesight, everything. Was told today my extreme itchiness is probably from dry skin. Scared right now.
my bones feel hollow i am forever in fear of breaking another one. i am 38 and just got my first cortisone shot in my knee monday. the problem is all of my joints hurt and this shot is only allowed three times a year.
it's been 10 years for me, i feel that women are under attack and our way of life is forever damaged by using any hormonal birth control.
i know my bones are slowly deteriorating because my teeth started to crumble right after using mirena and not being able to eat.
I am so glad I found this site. I thought I was going crazy. My hips joints, mental health and eye sight are awful. I have had the Mirena for a yr now. I am 43 and feel like I am 100. My body aches all the time. I thought it was just old age. This past 2 months I have really noticed a huge difference in myself. I took mine out last night. I am hoping my body is able to undo what the Mirena has done.
Can anyone tell me how they are feeling after removing their's?
There are several posts on this page where peopl have talked about "feeling old", "bad pms", "joint pain" etc.
To answer your question. YES! I have severe pain in my knees and hands. To the point it hurts to even get up and down from the toilet, or anything simple like that. I take Advil like candy, just to get through work cause I type alot and my hands ACHE. I feel like an OLD WOMAN and I'm barely 30. It started only after the IUD. I'm having it removed tomorrow. It's caused numerous other things as well. I have extremely bad mood swings as well, terrible pms, and the less I have a period the worse it gets. Good luck.
My joint pain, tiredness, musculur spasms started after I had my mirena inserted. I had it in for only year and it completely changed my life from being a very active independent person to someone who at 30 feels like most of us on this website,over 60. After removal which was in January this year my symptoms unfortunately didn't just dissappear.I found some in fact got worse especially the chest pains and anxiety. Doctors found a musculur disease via a biopsy called myositis and have now been on cortisone treatment for 2 months. Every day I wake up hoping this nightmare will end and I will have my old life back and that I can be a fully functional mother of two toddlers. My instinct tells me the mirena had everything to do with what has happenned but obviously the doctors profusely disagree! I often wonder that maybe the disease pre-existed but got worse with the mirena. Anyone with similar disease or that has been on cortisone treatment to relieve any of their symptoms? Is there any light after this dark tunnel??????????
WOW! I had mine for 13 months (got it out today). I felt as if my general health was declining. New symptoms kept creeping up on me. Lately I have been experiencing cramping and pain in my legs and pains in my knees, neck, ankles, elbows.
You are validated, I have read hundreds of reports on the internet of women suffering for a long time before they make the connection between Mirena and leg/joint pain, as it is not mentioned in the Mirena literature, and our doctors are in the dark.
Please call Bayer at 888-842-2937 to report (and use this term, so they have to make a written report): "An adverse event." At that point, you will have an opportunity to list all the side effects you have suffered from, as well.
I was also directed to CVS's product complaint line at 866-638-8312 again, to "Report an adverse event."
We all hear each other on these agonizing side effects. Let's make sure Bayer hears us. My goal is to reach the critical number, so they must list this as a side effect in their literature.
Hello! My grandmother's dentist told her that she needs to have a root canal on 3 teeth. I've read so many bad things about root canals and it leading to more problems, what can she do to avoid this?
Since she was experiencing lots of pain from the infected teeth, they had put her on antibiotics. The antibiotics made her very weak and ill. She has finished them and is now feeling better since off of them. The dentist still wants to go ahead with the root canal. Her teeth are still infected and swollen.
I read that oregano oil dabbed onto the infected teeth could help. Also, swishing with himalayan salt, colloidal silver, and unrefined coconut oil could be of help too, what do you think?
Oregano oil is one of the most powerful antibiotics available, it kills bacteria, fungal infections, MRSA and all types of troubles. Coconut oil helps dilute the strength of the essential oil (the oregano) and carry it into the tissues around the mouth where the infections hide and reside.
With root canals the infection has reached down to the bloodstream, so you need oils fine enough in particulate size to get right to the bloodstream and nerve tissue.
Oil pulling at the full 20 minutes will allow the medicine to saturate the jaw, both above and below, and the infectious material can circulate out instead of down the throat and back into the bloodstream, where it can continue the infection cycle.
Avoiding swallowing is important. The oil of oregano can trigger feeling a bit sick while the infection at the root of the teeth dies, because some of the oil of oregano goes to other tissues in the body, but it is not in and of itself poisonous like prescription antibiotics.
If there is too much unwell feeling, drinking activated charcoal powder, bentonite clay or using activated charcoal tabs or capsules will alleviate the discomfort, alongside plenty of water. Activated charcoal should be available at all pharmacies/chemist shops, just ask the pharmacist.
Hello! My grandmother's dentist told her that she needs to have a root canal on 3 teeth.
My opinion is that she get a second opinion preferably from a holistic dentist
The pain indicates there is a problem, but the holistic dentist will determine to what extent, and advise on any needed treatment.
If he recommends removal, he will do it in a proper way. You didn't mention if the teeth had fillings in them that contain mercury, but that dentist will remove them making sure she doesn't consume any of the mercury.
Dentists love root canals - they're the big ticket item that keeps their practices thriving. If you have a sore toe, they'll recommend a root canal.
But as others have said, they can have bad health consequences. When I've had abscesses or other problems where root canals were recommended as urgent and essential I've done these two things:
1) If there's pain, puss abscess or infection - put a clump of bentonite clay between the cheeck and gum of the tooth in question. Keep this up until the pain goes away, swelling subsides etc. The clay will start to smell terrible as it draws out the infection from the gums. Put fresh clay every couple hours.
2) (As others have said) oil pull at least twice a day with your oil of choice plus a few drops of oregano oil (or as many as you can take without your mouth feeling like it's burning).
The last time this happened - I went another five years or so before it became a problem again. Instead of going for the recommended root canal, implant, etc - I just had them extract it.
I always wondered if I kept oil pulling daily as recommended if i would have had to lose the tooth at all.
I got her to start the coconut & oregano oil pulling 2x-3x a day. I will also be purchasing the bentonite clay and have her do that once it arrives. She has given up sugar too, so hopefully that will help, and I'll be looking for a holistic dentist in the mean time.
Thanks again everyone! This is exactly why I love this site so much, everyone gives such amazing advice :)
Very good. In my experience the pulling with oregano oil definitely helps - if gradually. But for the fastest cessation of infection and pain, the bentonite clay is FAR more powerful and fast acting for infections inside the gums. You'll be amazed.
Very interesting post, I have not heard about this before.
I have a gum that smells next to one Molar, I assume it will develop into an Abscess eventually.
No pain yet but I had the Molar next to it out 2 weeks ago because of a smelly gum that developed into an Abscess. Both teeth had root canal work done 12 years ago.
I am in the UK and have found 100% Oregano oil for sale online.
As you mentioned it should not be ingested just swished around the mouth. I can add a couple of drops when I Coconut oil pull everyday.
As far as the Bentonite clay goes. I have found Calcium Bentonite clay. It looks like powder in the picture, is that the correct one?
Some advertise Sodium Bentonite, others Calcium Benonite.
I would assume 100g would last a long time and would be a good amount to test with.
Clove essential oil also works very well for a tooth issue.I had a tooth pulled a few weeks back and applied some to my mouth and in about 5 mins my pain was relived. Clove oil is often times used for toothaches. Myrrh is the most commonly used essential oil for mouth sores. To use Clove oil dilute in a small amount of a carrier oil add a drop to a cotton ball or swab and apply to the affected tooth, or press against the gum around the affected tooth.
Amazing, thank-you for that information.
I had a molar extracted and the roots drilled out 3 weeks ago. I would have used it then if I had known.
The soreness went about a week ago thankfully.
It seems to be healing well.
I have been adding 1 or 2 drops of 100% Oregano oil to my coconut oil pulling and I have been using Bentonite clay around the molar next to the extracted tooth because the gum was smelling.
The next day the smell was gone. I will carry on using it daily.
I was thinking of putting some Calcium Bentonite clay in a mouth guard and treating all the teeth and gums maybe once a week as this could help with remineralisation along with taking out any heavy metals.
Yes the clay sucks the infection out of the gum and if you'll notice after awhile the clay starts smelling terrible because of it. Just take it out and put in more till the abscess is totally gone.
I wouldn't use it constantly because clay doesn't care what it absorbs. It gets everything in it's path, and therefore would harm the mouths bacterial balance. Not a good idea. Oil pulling with coconut oil would give you more than enough anti-bacterial support for daily use.
Even coconut oil I won't use every day for long periods of time.
I have been Coconut oil pulling twice a day for almost a month now.
I hope I am not overdoing it.
I would normally just do it once daily but I do still have 1 root canalled filled tooth and it was smelling around that tooth so in the evening I drink a cup of green Tea and then use the tea bag to place between the tooth and gum for an hour. It's much easier than clay.
Then oil pull with 2 drops of oregano oil.
The reason I asked about using Bentonite clay in a mouth guard once weekly was in the hope that it would remineralise teeth and reverse receded gums from past over brushing.
One thing that IS known to help regrow gums is COQ10. And studies have shown COQ10 in an oil base has a much amplified effect.
I confirmed that myself using liquid COQ10 along with my oil pulling. Taking maybe 30 mgs of COQ10 in oil while pulling had a MUCH more powerful effect than the 200 mg capsules of Q10 I was taking before.
The capsules barely registered an effect while the much lower dose added to my OP put my energy through the roof and caused a tingly sensation.
In fact any day that I went without sleep, I'd always do the Q10 oil pull and I'd still be able to work like a champ all day.
I had severe gum receding and 20 years ago a dentist told me I'd likely have almost no teeth in 10 years. Not so at all and I attribute that to the COQ10 (especially mixed with OP).
We talked about this quite a bit in this forum a year or two ago.
Hey Mr. Cuddly...been a while! What brand of COQ10 liquid are you using now? The Vitol which you recommended before is no longer being manufactured. In fact according to a test by Consumer Labs, Vitol contained less than 4% of the claimed amount of COQ10.
Hey Jennifer - it HAS been awhile! How are things going these days? Have your dental issues been improving?
Actually it's been awhile since I pulled with Q10 since pulling with it REALLY magnifies the effect - and I thought it might not be a good idea for my blood pressure. But for those days when I barely slept the night before, I'll do the OP and Q10 and it gets me through the entire day with full energy and alertness.
I was looking on Amazon recently for some liquid Q10, and I thought the "protocol for life balance" brand looked good.
All I really look for is something that tastes decent and has a minimum of nasty chemicals. Mixed with OP any form of COQ10 will work great and be uber-bioavailable. So no need to spend extra for extra bioavailability like liposomal, etc.
You add the liquid Q10 to the oil your pulling with. The fat of the oil charges the Q10 along with the dwell time in your mouth while you're pulling.
Be careful, though, the effect can be powerful. I would start with however many drops equal about 30 mgs of Q10 and go up from there if desired.
Again, I would routinely take 200 mgs of Q10 by capsule (Jarrow brand) and get a much bigger reaction from the 30 mgs mixed in with the oil. Not only is it much more powerful, but saves a lot of money since Q10 can be expensive, and is directly contacting the gums for 20 minutes.
when it's that bad it's best to do the root canal. What is bad about them is that residual bacteri grow in whats left of the tooth and their toxins cause your bodys immunity against cancer to be low. What to do then is treat the canaled teeth with direct current to kill the residual bacteria. You can message me for more info.
Sick since May with no help from any doctors and helpless. I know these are a clue to my illness. These hair like things come out of my pores, my nose, mouth and eyes. The eyes are very painful. Can you help ID please?
Thank you very much for the response.I have been searching online for months for a similar photo for identification.
I'm so excited to speak with someone who may be able to help me.
Are these hairs (that me and my dogs) are shedding alive? And if so how long? My entire house, yard, cars, clothes, everything is covered in these hairs. Am I to assume then that these are not morgellon fibers? The doctors and vets know nothing.
Also, I believe they are coming out in my urine. I showed my ID doctor a video and she said it was normal. Is it possible to see them moving for a few seconds?
They are in my sinuses. I am desperate for relief for my eyes.
I'm currently on humanworm. Will that treat these?
Thank you for any and all links.
Lastly, is threadworm the same thing as pinworm? So many names.
Threadworms and pinworms are different . Threadworms are from the strongylida family which is the one most associated with your symptoms . Do you worm your dogs monthly ? Are they infected too? Elisa blood tests are pretty accurate but they are known to be unreliable when steroids or albuterol is used . Antigens is what the test looks for but won't be present when immune system is altered by steroids .
These are strongoloids. I had them coming out of my skin everywhere. My bed was full of "sand" every morning. You have to use Doxycycline, 100 MG twice a day. Yours is bad so you will need to do Doxycycline for at least 6 months. Use google and search for "Bird antibiotics" to find a source. You also need to take Ivermectin twice a day. Buy the injectable like Ivomec 1%. Take the dosage for hogs that comes with the med every 12 hours by mouth. Don't put it in water because it is an oil and it will just stick to the glass. Just take the needle off and squirt it in your mouth and chase it with water. Tastes bad but you'll get used to it. You can purchase the injectable from an on-line farm store and even Amazon carries it but it is much more expensive on Amazon. You will need a 3 ML syringe and needle to get the Ivermectin out of the bottle. You will have to actually go to the farm store to get the syringe needle. For some reason on-line stores don't sell syringe needles. Buy the 18 gage.
Also, I found that swabbing the skin with Green black walnut really helped to
kill the ones on the surface in the beginning. It is expensive. Available on Amazon. If you have a Black walnut tree it is free.
The other simple thing that works is Vick's vapor rub. Before I found CZ and meds I would coat my body with it every night.
Don't mean to scare you but this parasite will kill you. The sooner you use the tried and true treatment the sooner you will heal.
So sorry this is happening to you. Just know you are not alone it is happening to thousands of others. Once you get started on the Doxy and the Ivermectin let us know how you are doing.
You will need to start taking fenbendazole soon after starting the Iver and Doxy. But do it in steps. The Iver and Doxy kills the adults. the fenbedazole will kill the larvae. Doing all the meds initially will cause severe Herxheimer reaction and that can kill you because the parasite deaths dump toxic chemicals into you blood stream. You need to kill the adults to stop them from breeding before you go after the larvae.
There is NO quick fix. I've been at it for three years now. It's tremendously better but it's not over. You just have to accept the treatment as part of your life. Stronglyes are HIGHLY contagious. I suspect I got mine from sex. PM me if you have questions.
Don't give up. It does get better but it takes time. And don't panic and believe in a quick fix. There is NO quick fix.
The best way to kill the eggs & larvae is to take colloidal silver 1 tbsp 2 x a day.
Colloidal Silver kills all virus, bacteria, fungus, yeast & single cell parasites safely & without side effects
Also Kills all parasite larva
Kills all disease that is resistant to antibiotics
Treats Joint Pain & Inflammation
I am so appreciative to all of you for your replies and support. YOU have been the only people I have spoke to since May when I fell sick that understands and that alone has healed my heart some. Everyone I know thinks I'm crazy, including several doctors, and I have been at my all time lowest.
I have sent off fecal samples to be identified. I hope they show something that I can take to a doctor. I also ordered every one of your recommendations!
Why are some of the ones I spit out full of blood?
Also, when I spit them out are they still alive and able ti infect? They never move.
And what about the free living "hairs" - how long do they stay alive for? I do see them move!
Again, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
I'm looking for medical articles about the free living as its very hard to find.
Also, anything on how I should treat me dogs because our vet is also uneducated.
Doxycyline is an antibiotic from the tetracycline family used to treat parasitic strongoloids. This antibiotic sterilizes the females and kills the bacteria protecting the parasites
Moxidectin is a de-wormer related to Ivermectin. DO NOT GIVE EITHER of THESE TO YOUR DOG = DEATH Moxidectin comes in a tube for giving to ponies. Moxidectin is designed for horses and ponies who happen to be the biggest victims of strongoloids.
Yes, the white hair like things do emerge from the skin alive and I have seen them moving also. YOU ARE NOT CRAZY.
The bloody things you are spitting up are likely bloody tissue as a result of parasites. It indicates to me that you have ascaria as these are the ones that reside in the small intestine and the stomach. The Fenbendazole will stop them.
Be very careful not to confuse anything you buy. In the beginning I would put the description and use on a 3x5 card and tape it to the container.
I have had great success treating my dog with Doxycycline and Fenbendazole.
100 MG Doxycycline every 12 hours (6 weeks on 2 weeks off) and 3 days of Fenbendazole 5 MG/KG every 2 weeks. After 1 year of treatment she has finally stopped peeing involuntarily.
If you can get a vet to prescribe Advantage Multi it would be helpful. This is a monthly flea control topical that also contains Moxidectin at a very low dose suitable for dogs. Again, DO NOT give your dog either Moxidectin or Ivermectin. These 2 must be diluted to such an extent it is too easy to make a mistake and kill the dog.
Buy a quart bottle of Permethrin 10% and soak all your cloths in about 5 gallons of hot water with one once of Permethrin BEFORE washing. Keep your treated cloths separate from the untreated. Most people use trash bags.
When this got too tedious for me I just emptied all my closets and drawers and washed everything. Took 3 days.
Put an ounce of permethrin in the pre-wash cycle for sheets and bedspreads. Permethrine is available on Amazon or your local farm store.
Use a tape lint roller on your sheets every morning to pick up the sand particles. This will help to reduce the reinfection rate.
I am not a compliant follower. I use whatever works. I use Colloidal Silver,
some herbs, and even a Zapper.
None of these work completely without the meds but they help. The objective is to kill the parasites and not to show loyalty to one approach. Be open minded but as they say "Not so open minded that your brains fall out".
Brandi, if you bought fish Mox you bought the wrong thing. What you ordered will work OK but not as well as Doxycycline.
Doxycycline is used on birds not fish.
I know how it is when you are working with all these unfamiliar things but you must make sure you buy and use the right thing. Many of the meds used to treat parasites are toxic. Send a private message to me or sharkman if you are unsure.
I'm not sure you should start with moxidectin. The die off may be overwhelming. I would use ivermectin to start. Then add the fenbendazole and doxycycline. This leaves your system a lot faster than moxidectin in case you have a bad reaction. Moxidectin is very powerful and stays in your body for a month. If your coughing up bloody worms then they are a worm that consumes blood. Ascaris does not consume blood. hookworms whip worms and a few lesser known worms do. Get milk thistle to help your liver and take amino acids such as l arginine, l ornithine and l glutamine to support detox pathways while you are killing parasites. They emerge alive sometimes. I am not sure at what stage the free living worms are infective. spray everything with alcohol and wipe the toilet seat with it after each use. You can use these meds on your dogs also. If you have collies you cant use mectins of any kind.
I think tablets of Ivermectin are available for humans. Same stuff but 10X more expensive.
I never did testing. I don't see the point.If you know you have them by seeing them why do you need a lab to confirm. The treatments are essentially the same for all parasites. I don't like wasting money.
You HAVE to assume that alive or dead any parasite is capable of infection. Dead parasites could be carrying eggs or dormant larvae. I don't think it has been studied enough to say when it is safe so assume they are never safe.
Hopefully you took the Ivermectin dosage for your weight. If you read the enclosure that comes with Ivermectin it has a graph. The peak on the line on the graph is called the "half-Life". This means this is the point in time after taking the drug that it reaches maximum concentration in the blood. (longer for oral) It starts to taper off after it reaches half-life. Take Ivermectin every 12 hours for 4 days then take 3 days off. That is the safe method. I was so infected I took it every day for 6 weeks. We all have to make our own informed choices.
When you get the Panacur Horse paste (fenbendazole) start taking it so that it overlaps the off time from Ivermectin. The recommended dose is 10 MG/KG every 12 hours for 5 days then take 2 days off. Doxycycline is 100 MG every 12 hours for 6 months.
Every dosage is just the standard to start with. You will have to use how you feel and how well the parasites are dying to adjust dosage. Just don't get carried away. You can't kill these things over night.
You can treat your husband and children with Doxycycline for two weeks if you fear they may have gotten infected but are having no symptoms. Start the dog on Doxycycline right away at 100 MG every 12 hours for six weeks. Pause 2 weeks. Treat 4 weeks. You can get Panacur for dogs on Amazon. It comes in 3 day treatments of granules. Just mix in canned food with the Doxycycline.
Doxy twice a day. Panacur once a day for 3 days.
My infection was at least as bad as yours if not worse. It was almost 2 months before I saw any results. Don't get impatient. Eat only good nutritious food. Nothing raw. Take at least a multi-vitamin. Take a liver helper like Solgar liver complex every day. You need to do this to keep your liver from toxifying from the drugs.
Be careful not to get confused with information. Drugs.com says to take 15 MG of Ivermectin BUT this if for an annual or semiannual dose not for daily or weekly usage. You have lots to learn so keep reading anything you can. Informed choice is the best way to live but you have to learn everything first.
Mine are black! They don't move...until I place them in water...then they contort and writhe. It's horrible. Some are coming from my scalp and look like my black curly hair. I was thinking horsehair worms. I'm looking up stronglocides right now. I get the sand. And a lot of other things coming from my skin as well. If I apply any type of oil, stuff comes out of me by the dozens.
I lost my upper left side tooth and I delayed having the dental implants for probably 6 years because of my dental fear. I'm very much concerned about the procedure and dental_implants"the cost of dental implants. I heard bridging won't last for long and so decided to go with dental implants. I have scheduled an appointment with a dentist in Pearl Dental, Burlington for 31st of this month. I would like to know about the complications of the procedure. Is it painful? Will it give the same function of natural teeth?
I hope the original poster does not mind me asking a question in response to your post where you said "
The ceramic ones are the ones to go for".
Wouldn't there still be the need for a metal screw/thread in the jaw bone for the ceramic implant to be fitted into?
I ask as I had a Molar removed 3 weeks ago and although I have no intention of filling the gap in the near future as I can chew on the other side. It might be something I have to consider in the future.
Benefits of Dental Implants
Restore appearance – dental implants cannot be differentiated from the rest of the teeth, as they look and feel exactly like natural teeth. They are also permanent, which means that the patient will not have to regularly come to the dentist to have dental implants checked
Improve comfort – as dental implants fuse with the bone, they become part of the body, eliminated the discomfort of removable dentures for example
Improve speech – with removable dentures patients might slur or mumble words as their fear that teeth might slip. With dental implants patients can speak without this worry
Improve self-esteem – having a bright, perfect smile improves anyone’s self-esteem and self-confidence
Improve eating – as dental implants function like natural teeth, they can also improve eating without fearing that they might slip
Durable – with good oral hygiene, dental implants can last forever
Improve oral health – as dental implants do not require altering other teeth for support, long-term oral health is provided due to the fact that natural teeth are left intact.
If you want more information about Dental Implants you can contact Placidway , they will be happy to help you make the right decision.
Dental implants generally fall into one of two basic categories:
Root-form titanium dental implant, are a type of endosteal implants which are placed directly into the jawbone structure and attached to this structure with nails, screws, or cones. Titanium dental implants are usually for those with minimal (or medium) tooth loss; but of course to make sure, you will have to consult a specialist. The other dental implants' types (sub-periosteal, plate-form, ramus-frame) are utilized for a multitude of artificial teeth insertion procedures.
A subperiosteal implant is usually placed over the jaw and not in it, reason why it is recommended for individuals who don't have enough bone left, and indeed there is no way to support a root form implant. A plate-form implant is a type of dental implant which consists of a metal piece with prongs on one side placed on top of the jawbone.
And finally, the ramus-frame implant, which is used for those with thin jawbones. Ramus-frame implant, are placed at the back of the mouth and along the chin. Even when they are clearly visible, are options due the superior strength and structure they can provide.
Actually dental implants are one of the most effective treatment to replace missing teeth. Now a days dental techniques have improved so much over the last few years and the equipment will be more up to date. That modern dental treatment can now be completely painless also these are safe and secure treatment and look like exactly like natural teeth, they can last for as long as you care for them. But you need to checkout your gums and jaw are healthy or not. Because that are implanted surgically into the jawbone and they are permanently fixed in place. Otherwise you don't worry to about any serious side effects.
Strangely enough I can't find any long term studies on implants and the human immune system. Which actually is the most important part of what an implant does
Implants are a foreign substance that you permanently place into your body. Your immune system generally goes around your body identifying stuff that isn't you and then the immune system will attack what isn't you. On a basic level this is what the human immune system does.
Most dds speak of implants like your jaw is a mechanical hinge and not part of your body. I find that strange. You dds will suggest that many people have implants and are walking around feeling good but clearly a weak immune system wouldn't kill you today-much like I see many people smoking.
I did find one small study that showed a drop of about 50% of most of your immune system. This would not kill you short term but long term could be a very serious issue. A strong immune system is what keep you healthy-think cancer-lyme ect.
Studies of this kind would study the various materials that are placed forever into a persons body. One would think some would be better than others.
I also know many docs who consider implants as unhealthy as smoking.
Even when Dental Implants are one of the most common dental procedures performed not only in the United States but also around the world. Dental Implants are artificial tooth replacements, they seem, feel and function like natural teeth; they may be used to replace single, multiple or entire tooth structures in the upper or lower jaw. While generally categorized as part of the cosmetic dentistry procedures, they are known as prosthetic or artificial replacement dentistry.
And something artificial in your body will create a response by your immune system. Many docs think this makes dental implants as dangerous as smoking-
I keep looking for long term cancer studies with implants-long term immune system studies with implants
For some very strange reason I cannot find any-hmm I wonder why????????????
Actually I did see one small study with metal implants-cut immune system by half-which is not anything anybody would want.
Maybe I am wrong and there are studies of cancer and implants-autoimmune disease and implants-immune system response and implants.
I guess the world assumes they are great for your body systems-much like we thought of smoking years ago
While on Going Procedure you will not feel any pain. The dentist will give a local anesthesia to numb the area where to insert implant. After completing the treatment you will feel little pain which is normal. And your Dentist provide after care instruction, antibiotics and pain killers to vanish such pain. You need to take care of your Implants in order to keep them healthy and long lasting. regular Dental Checkups and proper hygiene is very important to avoid any further complication. Quality Dental Implants will lasts for life time and give better results like natural looking smile.
hello friends, I am healed now after many many years of suffering peeling lips. the reason I had peeling lips was because of dehydration. they would dry out and get crusty until I force peeled the crusts off. I would avoid water contact at all costs, I would drink water and liquids very carefully to avoid anything touching my lips. eventually I started licking my lips in desperation and I did this for a few years, but they never healed and would peel every few days. I did this for a few years because it was stopping the large crusts from forming that used to last weeks. but licking my lips was not what I wanted to do forever. i also observed that most people do not lick there lips when i had to all the time which was mostly phychological because i was always worried the crusts would come back. now i am not endorsing lip licking. i say to never lick your lips, all the websites advise against it. for some reason i decided i would try hydrating my lips a lot throughout the day and it helped me within a few days of not licking and hydrating them with glasses of water and showers and cupping water in my hands under the sink. all the websites ive read about peeling lips say to hydrate your lips then seal in the moisture with a lip balm or Vaseline. but i have found that lip balm and Vaseline disrupts the natural cell death and regrowth of the skin, everybodys lips produce dead skill cells and regrowth of new ones, this is the problem with ec. anyways i just want to share that i am fully cured now and get zero peeling or any buildup ever. all i did was hydrate my lips with glasses of water compressing the water together in my lips, i take a good shower everyday making sure to soak my lips throughout the shower and occasionally i will cup some water in my hands and soak my lips that way. now they are completely water proof and normal.
Interesting post. An intestinal condition I have also caused dehydration so I wondered if it was that or gut dysbiosis. How long did it take to heal your lips with water? And do you need to do it daily to maintain results?
1. How did you get EC inthe first place (accutane, antibiotics,stress,lip licking and biting). You avoided water touching your lips after you got ec right?
2. Did you get white line inside your lips.
3. Were your lips inflamed .
4. What changes did you see when you started hydrating your lips with water
5. When you soaked your lips in water, did the crusts peel off and after how many cycles of peelung off did your lips stop peeling .
Thank you for the information.
some things were unclear, would that be okay with you if i asked a couple of questions?
1. how long did it take you to cure your lips?
2. whenever i have any contact with water, it peels off all of my build up skin. so i am trying to AVOID water on my lips. (of course im drinkinig a lot of water, but whenever i wash my face, take a shower.. etc, the stream peels my skin on my lips) so didnt u avoid water on your lips? how come it didnt peel off your skin?
3. were u using any creams to apply on your lips?
if you have any more information, please let me know :-)
hi skygirl, my lips would always get mushy when in contact with water and that is why I avoided water, I thought it was a scab and if I let it dry out without water it would heal. it is actually not a scab though and leaving them alone will never work trust me I have tried for many years leaving them alone dry without water contact. if the dead skin comes off in the shower it is a good thing, because its not a scab and just dead skin. so when the water takes off the dead skin all the better. the more water and moisture you give your lips the better, I drink at least 3 glasses of water a day and take a good shower and sometimes go to the sink and cup water in my hands and soak my lips that way. its important to restore the natural moisture of your lips. so if the water takes off the dead skin that is great because its not a scab. after I started hydrating my lips a lot throughout the day my lips peeled once gently, then after that they never peeled again. water will not do any harm to you so get as much as possible. its really not to complicated.
actually i'm not leaving them alone at all.
i used to do that a year ago, obviously leaving them alone is not a good idea. it makes them super dry and it makes the situation worse.
i'll explain to you why am i so worried about getting in contact with water - because i fear that it might stop the healing process. the water will peel of the skin every single time therefore the skin wont get the chance to re-create itself and grow. which means i will not make any progress right? if the skin wont restore itself then i can only dream of healing.
how come the skin didnt peel every single time that u had a shower or brushed your teeth? it shouldnt peel, it should restore itself to how it used to be :o
im also having trouble with applying creams on my lips such as vaseline and aquaphor or any other cream. because my finger is kinda sticky from the cream and when i touch my lips in order to apply the cream, the skin sticks to my finger and i peel it off by accident
seems like applying cream is just impossible.
you don't need to leave the dead skin on, it does nothing. if it comes off in the shower or while drinking water all the better and it will if you keep them well hydrated with water throughout the day. the skin on your lips will become more normal and waterproof without the dead skin it will restore I promise you. i don't use any creams or Vaseline or lip balms, i don't need too. i heard they just disrupt the natural cell death and rebirth cycle anyways. but if i am going to recommend anything i recommend burts bees lip balm choose your favorite flavor. i like the mango flavor. its the best product you can use. the ineternet sites all advice to seal in the water with chapstick, but i don't like using anything because i feel it blocks the water from fully penetrating the skin.
thank you for the quick reply!I'd like to ask you more questions.
1. how long did it take you to cure your lips using that method? a year? over a year?
2. when did you start seeing an improvment since using that method?
3.i wasnt talking about the dead skin, but the normal skin. you know, the one that "grows" after everything was peeled off. after your lips are red and raw, there's a skin startig to grow, the skin looks ok compared to the dead one. shouldnt u keep the normal skin on instead of letting it peel off?
4. how many times a day should i pour water on my lips?
5. how exactly did u moisturize your lips with water? could you explain me some more about it?
6. when im brushing my teeth, there's always toothpaste on my lips, that toothpaste completly peels of my skin. how did you manage that kind of stuff?
7. did u eat healthy foods and quit junkfoods?
I think I answered most of your questions in my previous posts. I eat pretty healthy and have cut out most sugar from my diet. also if anyone is concerned about Accutane and its relation to peeling lips, Accutane decreases the bodys ability to absorb vitamin b7 also known as biotin, so this vitamin might also benefit, its for hair skin and nails. and biotin deficiency can result in peeling lips. just something I read. but anyways, hydrating the lips with glasses of water, showers, and the sink is what really cured me.
Its like watering a really thirsty plant, it will go from dead and brown to life and green once you water it good. I saw huge improvment once i changed from lip licking to using water. The redness went away. I did advise not to use chapstick but now i think after you soak your lips to seal in thw water with burts bees
Carokann there is something seriously wrong with you and shame on the mods of this forum for allowing this troll to relentlessly post the same trash and do nothing about.. it clogs up the forum. Why can't you just ip ban him, he's clearly mentally ill
Can you report his posts with me please because it's not funny anymore ? He's clearly an attention seeker looking to drain energy from desperate people on here.. it's the worst kind of toxic personality you can get, probably why he's on the internet because nobody in real life will stand for it.
Painful that the threads not been taken down and even given a ''success'' tab,.. mods not taking proper care and attention.
Gartech you keep saying you are cured by putting diahrea and your own period blood on your lips Oh how does it feel. I mention 2 lip things lip licking and water and i get flamed This cured thread does not indorse lip licking it carefully says only water. You tried 100 different products and i tried 2 mthods
My left eye is full of worms and floaters. When I was taking Ivermectin orally I had to take it every day to keep the infestation in my eye under control.
I started taking Moxidectin with No ivermectin and I immediately noticed the eye infestation got worse.
So I use a roller ball applicator and apply Ivermectin to my face making sure to circle my eyes. Apply to the entire face so it is absorbed into the sinus cavity. This has worked wonderfully and I have experienced no side effects. I have actually been able to kill several of the miniature tape worms in my face.
I know that Sharkman was advised not to use Ivermectin and Moxidectin together. Matt stated that he uses them together with no ill effects.
I found a medical article which explains that Iver and Moxi have different mods of action and really don't compound each other. It further stated that moxidectin is much better tolerated than Ivermectin. I find I need them both.
I'm not saying that I know it is safe only that I have not experienced any problem with topical Ivermectin while taking oral Moxidectin. I do notice that when I approach the maximum dosage of ivermectin I get pretty "out there".
MAX = 40 MG
The roller ball applicator holds 40 MG of Ivermectin so once it is used up for the day I stop. It's all risky but I try to make informed decisions. I've been applying Iver for over a month.
I should also add that I am also taking daily Fenben at 5 mg/kg. If I don't the crawling drives me insane. I am at 10 MG of moxi a month also.
After 50 years of being infected I am 90% parasite content. Lots of cysts bursting from the Moxidectin. When I started the kill 3 + years ago I could not lean to the right because my liver was so enlarged from all the encysted parasites. It is about 1/2 the enlarged size now but I still have a ways to go.
I lost my right ear to parasites, although at the time, I did not know why.
When my left ear started to ring, I started low dose Albendazole. Every day for like 4 months. Granted I had a raging infection of Ascaris, and Strongyles, the ear was saved.
Albendazole works in body organs, because it "ages" the worms. Even resistant worms die with a short life span, even if it does not kill them outright. Albendazole molecule allows it to get deep into critical tissues, Brain, Ears, likely eyes. It also has been suspected to draw molecules of other parasitics deeper into the body.
With my infection in remission, I am still planning on doing low dose Albendazole as part of the mop up and maintenance phases. I think that much about low doses, 200mg - 400mg/D at 6PM.
I drove the active level of Moxi to 1600ucg/kg over the course of 28 days. This level keeps the body above the threshold of 400ucg/kg active level for about 2 months. I saw a huge dump of GI cysts on FenBen. When cysts birth, or burn, I use a combination of DEC 400 6PM, IVM std dose at 6AM, and nPPZ.
We have discovered that nPPZ is an essential player. FenBen and IVM are not nearly as effective without 12:1 Xanthoparmelia (nPPZ). A brief survey of users says that most users dose 1850mg per day, and most of that is at 6PM. Bartlowes or NutriCargo, the upper limit is 2 or 3 times that amount for short times.
Yes, Iver and Moxi have different mods of action. We discovered that Moxi dosing up to an active level, does not negate the need to use IVM daily at 6AM.
For those who had massive GI infections, Subdermal injection of IVM seem effective. It may be an alternative. Try not to exceed 400ucg/D.
Crawlies diminish after several lifecycles of the worm. I am on my 3rd lifecycles of what seams to be a 21 day cycle. Without nPPZ clearly I am down to about half a dozen or so, and they extinguish in under a week. Some last only days with FenBen. When they move I tend to bump either nPPZ or DEC, and the movement lessens. I have not reached for PPZ in months, so I believe it is an emergency med, and the nPPZ does the job afterwards.
FenBen seams very effective at 5mg/kg/D and I am nearing day 60, heading towards ? days. I will maintain ALB afterwords. Waiting for the infection to go to 0. Expect that may be in another 20 days.
Moxi dose needs to be put into a simulator to keep your level within bounds. There is an XLS in my folder to calculate the level.
Your Progress is amazing. Cysts are the largest problem any of us face. Cysts are the final frontier.
Remember, nPPZ is essential to draw the infection down promptly.
Over a dozen people with infections less severe than yours have come through this. If you can too it proves even difficult and nearly impossible infections are controllable or cureable.
Before I embark on this Epsom Salt trial, with optimism I thought I'd not peel my lips for 5 days and record its condition, in faith that after this month my EC is gone for good. I'll obviously be taking pictures during the regime, but this will be the last time that I leave my lips alone to become what they become (with moisturiser).
I have already started and have photos for days 1 and 2, right now being the beginning of the third day. I took the photos about 12-15 hours after the 'day' began, for instance the day I first exfoliated I didn't take a picture till the next morning 12 hours later. The second was more like 15 hours after but it's all in the 'day'.
So today commences day 3, and I will be taking pictures tomorrow morning. I begin the Epsom Salt regime on Monday, but can only manage to leave my lips till Fri/Sat morning. This is because the debating society at my university has a novice competition this Saturday and so I am attending that. And obviously I can't roll up with... yeah.
I am keeping my lips verrry moisturised, on these drier parts of the cycle. Not by plan, but in an attempt to keep my lips from cracking, splitting and thus coming off in the next tooth brushing as much as possible. Hence right now my lips feel pretty soft and elastic. [My intuition is suddenly telling me something, but I'll leave that till another time.] I was feeling lazy but I'll take a picture of my lips now as well, day 2's end.
Day 2. Just now took a few more photos showing the lips at the end of day 2, beginning of day 3.
As I said I kept my lips very moist. This took me some time, for what I did was after I finished in the shower I didn't immediately brush to prevent the skin from becoming super soft and just coming off when I tried to apply anything. Instead I applied moisturiser, let it dry a bit, applied again, licked, applied, wet with water, applied. Went to room, applied. Then went back and brushed my teeth when I didn't think they would get too soft, and applied moisturiser.
I should probably say something briefly about my general moisturising method. For a long time now, maybe a year or two since I read someone say saliva has healing properties, I lick my lips and then moisturise. I generally never moisturise without licking first. Recently I've begun wetting my lips with water in addition to this. I should say that when I was applying today I was stroking up and down very specifically to ensure I softened up the drier prone parts of the skin.
For a year at least I've used Dr Orgnanic's Tea Tree lip balm, though last week bought Dr Organic's Manuka and have been using both, although I probably should not suddenly bring in new variables.
If I recall correctly this next one I brushed beforehand and dubbed up the moisture.
These next ones are the end of day 2. Looking just as moisturised, and feeling just as soft if not more too.
Day 3. I'm doing a good job of keeping the lips soft whilst keeping them from becoming too loose from showers and brushing teeth. The skin at the very sides of the lips are wanting to come off first as usual, but I'm doing what I can to keep them there.
The next two taken within the next hour.
This one topped up with moisturiser and wetting lips.
These next ones just taken, a couple of hours since the first set. Pleased to say my lips are feeling soft and have no difficulty talking or stretching.
For the next day's I think I'll take the pictures in a different way, because I feel like just taking a straight on pic and getting countless ones looking the same doesn't really tell much. So I may just take a general straight on pic, and then try to take close ups to actually show the skin itself is changing, and what my lips are like.
The upper part of the top lip where it is black is the colour his entire lips should be,.. not pink like all over. He's bitten/exfoliatied off the upper layers of epidermis pretty much 90% of his lips hence the pinkness. The only area that should be pink on the lips is just inside the mouth.
At the moment it's difficult to tell for you guys how my lips are affected, but it is generally the same as how it affects most people. The inner halves of both my upper and lower lip peel.
Now I'm of East African heritage so my lips are meant to be far smaller. The other thing is being EA I have pink lips. Now the truth is it's been so long having this that I don't know how pink the top lip is meant to be, seeing as it would be interesting for it to be a coincidence that only the pink bit and not the dark is affected. However such a colour pattern is normal and in fact the bottom half of my bottom lip is perfect and pink.
People from other parts of Africa have fully dark lips.
I had some really good (or bad) pics of my EC from awhile until I think updating my phone caused my hidden photo app to delete all old files. It's annoying because now I can't show a doctor or someone.
I'll upload a picture or two to make what I've written more clear later.
Today I had the bad fortune to telephone a cataract researcher at the ophthalmology department of a university hospital. I had been introduced to him as someone who could help us develop and test better cataract reversal eye drops, although I had also been told he was a cataract surgeon.
When I spoke to him, he said to me: "All my research is on secondary cataract which often forms on the implanted plastic lens after the surgery. But if you're proposing to do research on cataract of the natural lens, that's impossible. The Health Ministry only approves surgery, and cataract research is NOT ALLOWED". Effectively, the decision of the Health Ministry is consigning millions of people who can't have cataract surgery to blindness, and those who come out bad from the surgery to sub-standard vision.
Before I hung up, I did manage to tell him that there was NO WAY we were going to let this situation continue. NO WAY. And by God, we mean it.
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I'd like to hear from those that were able to stop their hair loss and/or grow hair where once there was none (of few), both female and male.
Home remedies, oils, topicals, diet, heavy metal detox, de-worming, allergies, milk, wheat, gluten, sugars, water, herbs, dental health, etc.. anything that worked is worth mentioning.
In doing so, your stories and experienced will save newbies like me and many thousands of hours of research and help us hone-in on the things that work best so we can then experiment / research these things that worked for you!
This if for AGA, male pattern, female pattern baldness not other forms of baldness.
I am very grateful for your sharing and thankful to you in advance.
A few years ago I started loosing a big chunk of hair in the front of my right scalp. I had genetics factors and stress working at the same time. I decided to try laser therapy and built my own laser to stimulate growth. In short it worked very well for me. There was new growth where the balding spot was and the other hairs around it began to get more of a healtht glow. It's worth a try.
I put warmed coconut oil in my hair on regular basis before washing - up to 4-5 hours beforehand. It is very oily and hard to get out, but I believe it helped me to regrow my hair thicker and stronger.
Also - I sometimes cleanse my scalp with ACV half diluted with water before washing. Apply it for half an hour or so. The smell is horrible, but hair become much stronger, softer and more managable.
It is said that it's o.k. to lose around 100 hair a day. Let me tell you - I know lose maybe 20 hair a day, at the most!
I hate do disappoint you but nothing topical works long-term. I am female, 42 years old, and have grey hair that has been falling out for almost 10 years. Luckily it grows steadily so I didn't end up bald but with considerably less hair.
I've used minoxidil until it stopped working, probably 3-4 years. That's when I decided that something's wrong with me internally, since out hair is a good indicator of health. Think of pets with shiny fur and others with dull and thin fur. You would think that that pet is sick and you would give it a dewormer or better food.
I started cleansing intensely, colon, parasites and liver, and while the results are very slow to show, I feel that my hair loss has stabilized and more hair is sprouting. I can also see a lot more brown pigment which is encouraging.
My advice to you, stop wasting your money and start cleansing your body and diet.
Some mineral deficiency can also cause loss of hair. SULPHUR, SILICON and ZINC are responsible for healthy hair growth. Check if you are deficient in any of them. Since I take the supplements my hair is not falling any more.
I tried many different home remedies as well as researched some of the other procedures out there. I think one of the best things was aloe vera straight from the plant. It helped make my hair feel thicker and have much more texture. Also when mixed with some other ingredients it helped make my hair look fuller over time. It did take about 6 months of consistent application to see results
There are various alternatives available for solving hair loss and baldness problem. Some of which include treatments, medication and hair transplantation procedure. The selection of suitable treatment depends completely upon the hair specialist.
Several days ago I went in for a crown prep after I cracked a back tooth. The tech told me she wasn't going to put a temporary on in order to promote the healing of my gums. When I called and asked further questions it was further explained that sometimes the dental cement can increase aggravation to the gums even causing a root canal to have to be done. My tooth was extremely sensitive but Motrin really helped. During my required military dental exam, I asked 2 different dentists for the rationale of why a temporary was not put on. Neither one could answer that since they both always put on a temporary and then explained to me the importance of a temporary to prevent shifting, decrease discomfort, and to protect the tooth. When I called my dentist, he was too busy to answer my questions and the tech tried to explain stating the same thing they told me before about gum healing. They did offer to put a temporary on at that point if that was what I wanted. I asked them to just give me some literature with some references on the rationale for not using a temporary. They said they would get get me something, and when I asked again nothing was provided. Anyway, I have my temporary on now. Except I believe the tech put it on wrong and now when I bite down all the pressure is on the temporary. They said they would re-do it if I wanted. At this point I'm not sure I trust them! I paid $1660 for this and I guess I just expected a much more profeesional type of service!
The tech told me they only place temporaries on about 50% of their clients. Is this really the standard of care?
A well made temporary will promote gum health, not decrease it. There are also tons of different cements that can be used in different circumstances, a couple are made specifically to reduce sensitivity. Your tech is wrong. The only thing he can be right about is a badly made temporary will cause everything he mentioned.
Your military dentists are correct. Temporaries help prevent shifting, promote gum health, protect the tooth, help maintain function, and reduce sensitivity.
The only reason I can think of to not make a temporary is to save money, which is absolutely not the standard of care. I would suggest finding a new dentist, and reporting your current office to your dental state board. Any office where the dentist is too busy to answer your questions on several different occasions is not an office you should be paying that much for a single crown.
I am currently going through the same experience. My dentist decided not to put a temp. crown after crown preparation session, since my gum was bleeding and inflamed. She did not think that the neighbor teeth will shift in few days. She will only put on the final crown. Although, that is not the standard practice, I do not want to take risk and insist on having a temp against the advice of my dentist.
Hello all, Pardon to brother the community with the perils of my fast once again - but I really want to get the best info so I can perfect this fast as much as I possibly can.
I am 6 days away from completing my 30 day water fast in a series of other smaller fasts to shrink and remove a polycystic ovaries and larger ovarian cyst.
I am wanting to check the result of my fast by way of ultrasound/sonograph and am making arrangements.
Should I check this immediately as soon as I re-feed as in the next day, or should I re-feed for a month?
In one way I want to see the results directly after the fast before I get into the refeeding, however on the other hand I am cautious of what the medical staff will say about my scary appearance (I look like I have chronic anorexia) Will they try to hold me hostage and admit me or something?
Is there any quick and fast rules to this? My partner wants me to book the appointment the day after I break my fast to get the most accurate picture of what my fast actually achieved.... Re-feeding might hamper the picture - but I really want to hear the best way from others out there who have done this kind of thing.
Please note I have planned my re-feeding very strategically and slowly over 4 weeks on almost entirely plants... (I don't ever eat processed)
Can any of the fasting veterans give me the heads up of what they did to see the effectiveness of their fasts?
My GP already thinks my alternative methods are extreme but she is quite polite about it.
Pardon me for asking the forums for every little thing... I just really want to make sure my 30 days was not in vein and that I did all the protocols correctly.
I would want to see the results right before I break my fast. I would not care what medical industry people think of your looks after fasting for a long time. I would laugh at them, since they do not know the magic of fasting.
Also be prepared, if all your cysts are not gone, then refeed for thirty to forty days in raw plant based diet and then fast again.
Best wishes, great job in doing 25 days fast with handling children, cooking, etc.
Thanks for your considerate answer. may you be blessed for all your assistance
All booked in.
Will break my fast Monday night at 8:30pm on diluted organic Orange juice, then maybe another sip or two before bed. God Willing!
The very next morning I depart my rural property for the 3.5 hour long drive to get ultrasound. (this was the earliest appointment with female sonographer).
So the fast will theoretically be broken but still only very early days on liquid. I may have been a bit too weak to make the trip if it were in the last days of my fast. I am quite weak, not able to complete my 2km walks, only doing about 800m-1km these days.
Is there anything I should consider to keep my energies for the journey? is there any specific liquids I should take? I'm fully stocked with just about every organic fruit and veg my heart desires courtesy of my partner (I think he is concerned and looking forward to me refeeding).
So anything specific? or just keep to the organic organic orange juice or try a veg juice? obviously nothing solid at that stage or is that ok?
Thanks for the previous info in my last post. Update is i am now on day 24 of water fast. I have now developed what i believe to be hives on my chest. I have never had this before in any other fast or in my life to date. The question is should i just leave it to progress/work itself out or should i take a anthistamine?
The fast has been easy, mostly because i am on holiday so have been resting alot- i had planned on going for a walk each day but just don't have the energy for this - no BM since before the fast, and i have done no enemas as per Shelton - my skin on face is clear and some old scars healed and totally disappeared, mouth in morning is still very coated and not pleasant at all.
My only concern is i don't want these hives to spread to more visible areas before i go back to work. They are also very itchy.
You are detoxing big time! Your body decided to use your skin as a way to get rid of some dangerous toxins, and that is because your liver is already too busy doing the same. Hives are the proof that you are getting rid of that future bad disease that had been in store for you for so long, without your knowledge.
It is just a healing crisis that you need to endure..that is. It is not meant to last, no matter how uncomfortable. Any way, if you need it to go away for work/social reasons or others, you just have to start refeeding and it will disappear!
Drink some orange juice or bite some apple, and your hives will clear. And it will be a proof they are signs of detoxing.
since this that and whatever... i have an idea that i gathered and i would like to share.
searchjng on the forum and interwebs on why the old timers painted their feet got me thinking... feet seem pretty pouros (porous) since the invention of shoes. i was wondering why the old timers back in the iodine hey-day painted iodine on their feet, instead of ingesting, in order to cure the thyroid.. so i decided to paint my feet as a first hand experiencer type test...
not big news...
however it got me thinking that iodine evaporates pretty quickly, and has an upward, perhaps inward, motion. so i did an experiement.
i pretended i was a early 1800th century lady with a gallon tincture of iodine and i wanted to paint my finger nails and toenails brown... hahahahah. i painted in between my toenail, and fingernail, and the skin. figuring the 1800th century lady or male just painted, hahah nvm, dunked his or her feet into a foot bath full of 15% iodine.
so my theory of the upward and inward function of iodine revealed itself and i have never felt my feet and hands feel so good.
so too long, didnt read... please try painting in between where the skin meet the nail, underneath the nail if u get what im saying. and paint around the tops of the nail, where it sits on top of and around where it meets the skin (cuticle?)
i think im on to something.
please let me know how it works. at the very least ot will get rid of any fungus, for me, it makes me feel, ummmmmm high
I broke my 21 day fast 3 days ago. Here's what I did:
Day 1: 2oz watermelon every 2 hours (total 10oz)
Day 2: 1 orange every 2.5 hours (total 5 oranges)
Day 3: 8oz watermelon for breakfast, 8oz watermelon for lunch, 8oz papaya for dinner.
The night of day 3, after the papaya, I felt very heavy in my stomach and had little energy. I barely slept all night and felt like my digestion had slowed down a lot. This afternoon (day 4) I'm still feeling bloated, full and my stomach is making rumbling noises. I think my problem started when I had 5 oranges on day 2 (probably too much) and then got worse when I had the papaya. I'm also still experiencing waves of detox.
Now it feels like I can't eat anything and I don't know what I should do. Tonight I had 3 very small glasses of orange juice, each two hours apart, but I don't know if that's what I should have done, or if I should stop refeeding completely. The discomfort is still there. I really don't want to lose more weight by stopping the refeeding process. Should I continue with orange juice every 2 hours despite feeling full and bloated? How do I know when it's safe to start eating fruit again?
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