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Little background on myself. I've had a few mineral level tests done, two hair analyses, a year apart, and most recently a RBC analysis. I suspected that I had a copper deficiency, which was confirmed by my first hair analysis in 2015 (it showed that I had a severe copper deficiency). The second hair analysis a year later showed the same thing. Low copper was also shown on the RBC test. The second hair analysis and the RBC test also showed low manganese.
I'm afraid to start supplementing copper again out of fear of lowering manganese even further and vice versa with the manganese lowering copper.
***What would be the best protocol to supplement both manganese and copper (in addition to a diet relatively high in both minerals) so that I don't throw the balance out of whack even further?
Some symptoms that I've experienced:
*Adrenal fatigue (mostly solved through diet and Vitamin B complex)
*Suspected candida and/or intestinal dysbiosis *Seborrheic dermatitis on head, face, penis and scrotum
For some reason, I often notice a greatly-increased appetite shortly after starting a regular magnesium supplementation schedule. A few weeks ago, I added magnesium back into my supplement routine - and I've found that it has absolutely wrecked my somewhat-disciplined diet. With magnesium, I seem to often get the feeling of lessened "satiety": before, a reasonably-healthy meal would be enough to satisfy me for hours - whereas with magnesium, the same meals result in hungry feelings relatively-quickly after eating those meals. Without magnesium, I generally have not had much overwhelming urge to snack - but after starting magnesium, I often succumb to powerful urges to snack. I have found myself being irresistibly-drawn to foods that I otherwise do a fairly-good job of avoiding. Let's just say that the employees of Taco Bell, Steak-N-Shake, and Burger King have seen way more of me over these past couple of weeks than they should have!
Does anyone know why magnesium affects me this way - and what I can do to eliminate this undesirable effect? Does magnesium affect anyone else this way?
Just when I want to say that it may have something to do with the form of magnesium I'm currently taking (magnesium citrate) - I remember that magnesium glycinate had the same effect. So it seems to be the magnesium itself affecting me this way - not the compound.
Oh, and Vitamin B1 (thiamine) has this same effect with me. I tried taking extra vitamin B1 a few months ago - and had to stop because of constant feelings of hunger, which caused me to sometimes become a ravenous pig.
Magnesium, I have read, is a mineral that the body does not store so we need to keep up the levels from food or supplements. Mg also helps the intestinal contents keep moving along and helps with constipation problems. A craving for fats and oils may indicate your body is not able to adsorb them and possibly when the contents of the small intestine are moving along too rapidly this reduces the time for adsorbtion. It could be that you are in the early stages of a maladsorption syndrome. Do a search for this to see the causes and how people treat it.
It is usually better to take a balanced B vitamin supplement as some of the B vitamins work together.
Hi Mendomaid - thanks so much for your feedback. Yeah - magnesium has seemed to have caused (or greatly contributed to) a craving for more fatty, calorie-rich foods....but I didn't really think to tie this to malabsorption syndrome. I thought most people with malabsorption syndrome lose substantial amounts of weight, and/or have problems gaining weight? I seem to have the opposite problem: I'm very overweight, I seem to be unable to lose weight, and I gain weight easily. In fact - I think this latest food-craze has caused me to gain some weight....just in these 3-4 weeks alone.
I have suspected that I have "leaky gut" for awhile now - I've noticed some (other) symptoms that indicate that this is a likely issue. Would this be similar to or related to malabsorption syndrome?
This is so frustrating to me - because I think magnesium has benefited me in other ways. For ex., my teeth feel quite a bit stronger/healthier than they have been - and they even look slightly better. I can sort-of see a few of the ways in which magnesium is said to work "synergistically" with Vitamin B6.
As for the thiamine - I did not take that supplement alone - I did take it along with a Vitamin B complex capsule. I thought it was o.k. to add extra amounts of individual B vitamins as long as you're also taking an overall B-complex.
Two of the most common causes of leaky gut are gluten sensitivities - Celiac Disease (Celaic Sprue) and non-Celiac Sprue. In both problems a person is unable to adsorb sufficient nutrients, minerals, vitmains but still many Celiac's are overweight. From what I have read in messages at Celiac.com Forums most of these overweight people lose weight when they follow a strict gluten free diet and they also have much less problems with food cravings. Even if the tests for CD come back negative some people find that following a GF diet beneficial. Parasites are also a common cause of leaky gut and maladsorbtion. No matter what the cause of leaky gut or intestinal most people find that they improve by following a program to help digestive health. If a person has gluten intolerance or sensitivity then the the problems will keep coming back or get worse.
Thanks again Mendomaid. I think I have to take a long, hard look at whether I have Celiac Sprue or non-Celiac Sprue. I wish the problem were more easily diagnosable. Why does it have to be such an ordeal to find out what exactly is going on with our bodies?
If I have some type of gut-issue, it would be nice to know whether it is something I've had my entire life. Throughout my life, I've never had any obvious/unusual gastrointestinal symptoms that would suggest Celiac/gluten-intolerance - but I have had other health problems that have progressed over the years and could ultimately tie back to the gut. Was the possible gut problem present for (nearly) all of my life and it is just now starting to reach the point where I'm beginning to notice - or was it triggered more recently by something (i.e. medications, or possibly a thyroid problem, or other possible environmental triggers).
Thanks for the link to celiac.com - I will try to continue looking over the information there to see if this condition could possibly be affecting me.
Ever since I started taking magnesium supplement I too notice an increase appetite. I stopped for awhile and lost a ton of weight but I had serious magesium deficiencies. So severe that I had a racing heart, anxiety and panic attacks! I was in the emergency twice in two days! I stared taking magnesium and has slowly started to calm my racing heart beat. Yes I'm gaining weight again. But I rather have that then feeling weak, panic attack or my heart is going to explode. Thank you God that I'm slowly doing better.
It may also be my adrenals too which MG is an important mineral too have. I do believe when taking it does move thing through your system but I also believe why people crave more fat is because calcium and magnesium compete in the body. Calcium is used to supply lipase which is an enzyme that breaks down fat. If your body isn't breaking down fats properly your going to crave more fat. You can take omega 3s which also reduces fat cravings or take a calcium supplement with vitamin D.
It's interesting because when I took an Epsom Salt bath last week, I felt very hungry the next day, and I noticed that my stomach would feel empty sooner than it would normally. Based on what I've read online, it's possible that the addition of Magnesium in our system makes our body's more effective in digesting food in our stomach, causing it to empty sooner and giving us the feeling of hunger. That's just a theory, so it would be great if other's could chime in.
I started taking Magnesium Citrate recently and have also noticed an increase in appetite and metabolism/digestion. I have also noticed more energy, mental clarity, and calmer nerves than before; along with a loss of water bloating in my face in the morning and slimmer abdominal region.
I am a physically and mentally active 22yr old male, and my body seems to be demanding more fuel to keep it going. I think this is a natural response, as I was on a somewhat calorie-restricted diet before. I've found that what IS important is WHAT you eat when the hunger kicks in.
I have been eating only natural foods; whole grains (brown rice, oats, quinoa), vegetables, fish (salmon, sardines), eggs, fruits, nuts, seeds, natural oils (olive, coconut); and it feels amazing! I would highly recommend a natural, wholesome diet to fuel your body's increasing demands rather than fast food and common snack food.
Avoid foods with added sugar, soft drinks, fried foods, potato chips, etc. A lot of these actually deplete your body of nutrients, while your body wants MORE nutrients. Your body will thank you for the natural food and reward you with clean, bursting energy! Hope this helps :)
I am doing back to back coffee enemas every second day or so, now for a month. For the last 2 days the enemas leave me feeling tired and a bit cramped in my muscles.
I am supposing this is because of electrolyte loss from the enemas. There are various articles online that suggest that the loss of fluid plus the nature of coffee takes electrolytes out of the body. On the other hand, there are posts from people with a lot of experience with CEs that say that this does not happen, for example, Dr. Wilson and Unyquity on this forum. Uny's logic is that electrolytes are not taken from the descending colon but only from the transverse and ascending colon, while CEs, when retained on the left side, do not reach beyond the descending colon.
I am trying to decide what to do on a daily basis so that I can continue with the CEs without getting weak and imbalanced. The electrolyte drinks in the market are too sugary for me, so I can make my own.
Juicing leafy vegetables with other vegetables or fruits seems common with those who do CEs. Dr. Gerson recommends, apparently, 3 glasses of juice for one CE. This is probably the most nutritious but also the most time consuming.
The other option is to make a quick electrolyte drink with orange / lemon juice, Sea Salt , honey and water, perhaps with some ACV added. I can do this in 15 minutes but I wonder if it is as sufficient to restore electrolytes and their balance as juices.
Some people also suggest just taking a mineral supplement. Has anyone tried this, and is it sufficient?
What do you think is the best way to avoid mineral / electrolyte depletion while doing frequent coffee enemas?
And what is the mechanism by which CEs deplete minerals / electrolytes?
I copy paste for you from Dr. Lawrence Wilson site:
"For most people, one to four coffee enemas daily are excellent. If one does four daily, I suggest doing two enemas back-to-back in the morning, and two back-to-back again in the afternoon. This has the most powerful effect, yet is very safe.
However, begin with no more than 4 tablespoons of coffee daily. More than this can cause nervousness in some people. Others can handle up to a total of 6 or 8 tablespoons of coffee daily."
Are you exceeding these 6 or 8 tablespoons recommendation?
Another question is what is your diet? Are you eating enough cooked vegetables?
Again, copy paste from the Dr. Lawrence Wilson:
Cooked vegetables are "extremely high in trace minerals. This is probably the most important reason for this diet. Most people are mineral-starved today! It is one of the most common problems on our planet. It is due to our agricultural methods, eating refined foods, stress and other factors.
Vegetables must be cooked well to obtain all the minerals that are locked inside the tough vegetable fibers. This is why the diet does not include raw salads."
Hi, I am doing 8 tablespoons, spread out either over 2 back to back CEs, or 3 back to back CEs. So it's either 4 tablespoons in one enema and then 4 tablespoons in the next, or 4 + 2 + 2.
I usually hold about 15 minutes but have experimented with holding upto 30 minutes.
I read of people doing more than 8 tablespoons and holding longer than 15-20 minutes, so I wanted to experiment. I suppose my body's limits are 8 tablespoons and 15 minutes, at the moment.
Apparently, some people believe that the more quantity and duration you have in your CE, the better, while others seem to think that there is a limit to both before the effect stops getting more.
I usually eat two medium sized meals a day, both of cooked vegetables with some brown or red rice. The vegetables I can get in organic form at this time of the year are different kinds of gourds, eggplant, cucumber, and some beans. I always add tomato and spinach/pok choy/celery to both and about half a teaspoon of Himalayan salt to each meal. Sometimes I replace the second meal with a large quantity of fruit.
I drink between 2 and 3 litres of water since I began adding extra salt.
From Dr. Wilson's write up it seems that I am using more coffee than I should, either in quantity or duration. That does make sense, although I would still not dismiss the idea that even if the amount of coffee is fine, one needs to secure one's mineral balance.
so i'm pretty much stumped on this one, despite numerous efforts to attain balance. i used MSM and hit some significant obstacles, which- as you will read, eventually snowballed into some fairly serious bullcrap. some of you folks seem pretty savvy, and maybe you have some ideas..
it's hard to provide adequate detail while maintaining brevity, so forgive the length of this post (assuming you decide to read through it!)
i've always had health issues, mostly subclinical, stuff doctors shrug about. OCD during early childhood into adolescence, which went away but was replaced with ADD and depression. never developed much of a sex drive, and was very low self esteem. started having digestion/ibs issues in high school, along with considerable auto-immuney joint inflammation. eventually it got bad enough that i developed tendinitis in both wrists, forcing me to give up music.
these symptoms persisted throughout college, becoming much worse when i somewhat suddenly developed chronic prostatitis at 22 yrs old. no actual prostate enlargement, but severe pain when sitting/urinating, almost complete loss of function. saw loads o' docs, all were typically dumbfounded and entirely unhelpful.
started taking msm on a whim. had been recommended by
a friend of a friend. supposedly safe. mostly tried it out to see if it could help my joints, since i missed playing guitar.. and damn, if that stuff didn't work like a miracle. within a couple months of taking it at about 2-3g/day, my joints were notably improved. my mood, too, unexpectedly. i suddenly felt lighter, and better about myself. i was more social, funnier, etc. months later i started noting a marked improvement in my prostatitis. slowly but surely, i enjoyed a 70-80% improvement. my hair grew, fast, looked awesome (typical of msm, i understand.) also unexpected, i, for the first time, developed a healthy and significant sex drive.. basically, i felt 'healthy' in way i never had before.
there were no real side effects (other than an inner thigh rash that lasted maybe the first six months of me taking the msm) until after about 2 years of treatment, i passed a kidney stone. real small one, but painful. more followed, with an increase in flank pain. many months later, i decided to halt the msm, since i suspected it to be related. a bizarre almost withdrawal period followed, in which i got hives around my midsection and battled a hardcore fever for a week or two..
after this wore off, my kidneys felt a bit better, but- to my disappointment, ALL my original symptoms returned. major depression, severe joint pain, prostate ugghhh and etc. i tried other rememdies: turmeric, enzymes, probiotics, fish oil, et al. and pretty much ALL of them helped, but again--caused the kidney pain to flare up. this tug of war has continued for years. me trying to keep the inflammatory symptoms in check without my kidneys suffering. at this point, my inflammation doesn't really flare up, and my kidneys don't really 'hurt', but function is flawed and seems poor. docs look at me like i'm ridiculous (and i'm sure i am) and my urine tests show no significant protein loss, but the kidney issue is definitely.. bad. it's like i'm stuck in the "on msm" state, but not able to support that state.. my hair still looks real good, well.. farrrr better than i feel, hah...
SO (again with apologies for the length of this post) i assume, having learned what i have learned about msm, methylation, copper levels and so forth, that i treated a relative mineral imbalance with sulfur only to create a deeper imbalance in the process.. i follow a mostly vegan diet because it seems to irritate my kidneys much less..
anyone out there have ideas on how to potentially dig myself out of this?
It seems to me that you had a lot of mental/emotional issues before the onset of all the health ones. Take up something to drastically alter you thought pattern ... this has helped me. We actually programme ourselves or allow programmes to work us ... and choosing thoughts is key to deprogramming.
Did you ever try a water fast for a day or two, with solar charged water (put out water in a glass jar with glass cover/glass bottle with cork/blue bottle with cork, in the sun for 5-6 hours) and complete rest. (And complete rest means no music, books, talking or moving around except to drink the solar water and go to the loo).
Coming off the fast you must be very careful to go gradually to liquids .. juices, coconut water, cinnamon-honey tea, etc and then move to organic salads, fruit, and then steamed veggies and light food. Take two days to come to your normal diet for a one day water fast.
A morning to morning fast can do wonders and may inspire you to try a longer one.
You are not the least idiotic, and am sure you'll crack this pretty pretty soon.
Have a miraculous day!
yea, thanks. i've considered fasting, but it's also been recommended that i don't. i'm on the very thin side to begin with. very vata, in ayurvedic terms. fasting can be helpful for excessive states, but can worsen deficiencies, in my experience.. but you're right about the fact that i really ought to carve out more time for 'stress free fasts'..
That part about solar charged water triggered my Googling thing.
Heres what somebody had to say about it.
Abysmal Darkenin I read your original post and then went and googled sungazing and sun charged water. It sounded interesting to me, so I read all I could find. Although I'm a bit lazy to commit to sun gazing. I believe it could work. Suncharged water is much easier. Set it and forget it until the evening.
Anyways, I put some water in the sun to charge. I started drinking it that same evening, while still warm. That night I could not go to sleep until 2am. I usually go at 10-11pm. Next morning I was up a 6 am. Thats only 4 hours sleep. I continued drinking more and I was charged and more active than I had been in years. I wasn't tired that day for lack of sleep. I'm usually napping at some point though the day. Well not this day.
I definately believe in suncharged water now. I give to to my pets now also. I'm hoping for it to help them with some health issues. We will see. Thanks for posting the info. I have used it and believe in it.
P.S. Used sun charged /suncharged in your search.
Solar charged brought up more stuff about solar powered water pumps.
Its cheap & free.The FDA can't make it illegal anytime soon.
the most consistent comment i get from everyone who takes SSKI is that their joints no longer ache, they can stand in one spot for longer periods of time, traverse uneven terrain easier, then of course more energy and mental acuity.
iodine is like oxygen and water as a basic need. try that first(and take it for life). if lack of Iodine was the problem - problem solved.
hair, nails, everything grew super fast. came in thicker, too. the msm, i get the impression, speeds up the rate at which your body metabolizes other minerals. probably why it works great for many, but wrecks a few.
Like many on here, I've been on this healing journey for lotsa yrs (decades) and over the yrs I "established" that certain things caused me probs, so I avoided them. The thing is, when we're out of balance, all of that goes out the window. That is, once back in balance those "bad" things are no longer bad. No longer cause a bad reaction (but note, poison in, poison out--avoid fake foods). So I'll just offer you this.
These things created imbalance and malnutrition for me:
*avoiding all salt and sugar
*not drinking enough water
*eating carbs without protein and fat
*too much or not right type of supplementation
*too much or, more usually, not enough exercise
*no daily de-stressing ritual (yoga/meditation)
*no routine emotional/creative expression (writing, crying...)
*too much work, not enough play
So here are a few significant things that have helped me. Eating every few hours (2 or 3, at the most). ALWAYS eat about the same, or a little less, protein in grams as carbs, AND include the amount of fat that you can handle. I love raw pumpkin seeds, almonds, coconut butter, and olive oil. Exercise, yoga/meditation, filtered water... Sea Salt , 1/8 to 1/4 per meal, in water is good. Local honey. Lotsa of high fiber crackers (I don't eat bread or pasta). Ceasing my vegetarian diet was crucial. Now I eat meat(slow-cooked) from the healthfood store... Organic EGGS (boiled), 2 per day, crucial. Herbal teas, green, red, peppermint...
But the real key is emotionally healing. Nothing is really gonna work until that aspect of it is addressed. That "thing" within will continue to sabotage our efforts until we start honoring our emotional self. Sit, get still, listen. Write about what comes. Let yourself feel it, cry, feel the anger, punch a pillow, rip up paper, whatever it takes to get it out...keep writing about it. Commit to doing this at least every other day, or every few days--for the rest of your life. Don't shrug on this one, or you'll spend a lifetime in the same mode you're in now.
Emotions are life. When ignored, they'll slowly destroy us. When honored, they will bring us "back to life."
I would like you to have an open mind about what I am going to write.
The fact that you had so many ailments at 22 is a good indication of malnutrition. But I am not surprised. I you read what I read about the depletion in food of the modern farming. The fact that you benefited for a while from MSM is another indication of the malnutrition from poor/junk food. Because MSM is a natural element found on vegetables. You took MSM as if it was the magic pill. Unfortunately ain't no such things.
As an agricultural scientist,
I would like to state that 85% of the minerals
are depleted in US crop soils. We only put three
(Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium) back into the
soils to grow our crops because farmers are paid
on yield, not content. The animal industry has
eliminated over 900 diseases that still plague
humans by feeding animals pellets that contain
45 minerals. There is no health insurance for
beef...the industry had to adopt a preventative
system of health care through nutrition or your
hamburger would cost $275.00 a pound. We eliminated
muscular dystrophy in our farm animals 50 years
ago through supplementation to name one. Why?
Muscle is meat...we cannot afford to have that
disease in animals.
From the above we see how minerals are important.
A way to take a wide variety of minerals at the same times is to take Epsom salt, Blackstrap molasses, Kelp, unfiltered raw apple cider vinegar.
Another indication of mineral deficiencies is to have an acidic lymphatic system. This can be measured easily by measuring the pH of the urine and of the saliva.
You can learn more about the Acid/Alkaline pH balance principles at the following CZ forums:
thanks for the many words. in general, and in your nutritional thinking, i agree with you. it's really a shame, i think, that so many people are willing to load their bodies with so, so many supplements in hopes of healing themselves when they are-as you say-more than likely suffering from deficiencies and excesses that are far too holistically complex to correct with random, isolated and often inappropriate supplementation. many individuals who attempt (even successfully) to treat one health problem using supplements end up developing new ones to take its place.. i work as the supplement buyer and health consultant for a health food store (somewhat ironically) and so i witness this phenomenon all the time.. i have dabbled and investigated deeply into the PH balance protocols both through my own experiences and those of my customers. results tend to be mixed. PH balance diets, i believe, work for many individuals largely because those who adopt it were eating sub-optimal diets in the first place, and PH diets will in general boost an individuals nutrient intake substantially, forcing out most processed foods. the logic behind PH, though, seems overly reductionist to me. alkaline bad, acid good? without acids, alkaline minerals are entirely insoluble! and there are so very many different acids, both found in foods and produced metabolically. PH pushers might cut out the excess arachidonic found in heavy meats, but suddenly they're consuming loads of oxalic acid from greens and beans. which is not to say that this is a bad thing, just an example.. sorry to rant! and yea, i need to work on more de-stress. my main issue is that it seems like i caused, for myself, a very specific imbalance.. something that i suspect could be corrected and that, if corrected, would resolve my issues substantially. i know that i caused it, initially and peripherally, by taking too much msm, which is pure sulphur.. figuring out how to undo whatever changes i created has proven quite tricky!
Have you followed the Water Cure with the ocean-sea salt added to it? Try the Water Cure found on this curezone site and try free-form amino acids, too. It sounds like you are still deficient in something that is virtually undetectable. Good luck to you, your healing will come to you. And, I can't wait to read about it!!
While you don't have to listen to what I write, I hope it will give you some productive ideas for a good outcome.
First, let me make clear to other readers here; I do not care who may disagree with what I am about to write. These words are the result of *my own* long and intensively tested experience. I will put zero energy into arguing tit-for-tat with anyone.
So here's my point, Martel-
I have been studying health and healing for more years than I can count (at least 30 or so). I've watched all the "never eat this" and "always eat that" cr@p come and go, today XXXX will kill you, tomorrow it has been found to be actually healthy and will be the only thing that may save you, etc, blah blah blah.
I have learned a few things over this long time:
1. Restrictive diets which exclude *natural and unaltered* foods result in some degree of imbalance and malnutrition eventually.
2. No one single thing is likely to cure everybody with the same ailment (Although there may be strong commonalities), one may be able to limp along improved, but if you will pay further attention to your *individual body's messages*, you are much more likely to be able to leave the condition in the dust entirely and walk away healthy at last.
Here is what I *think* *may* have happened to you, Martel:
It sounds to me like the MSM may have been a very good thing for you, but one of the (many) things MSM does is to help clear obstructions to the cell-wall incoming and outgoing circulation, so that the silted-up gunk which acts like plaster against the cell walls can be moved out of the way and healing of the cell can take place.
I *think* that one of the key substances your body tried to remove to improve your health is probably one which was being eliminated- for whatever reason- through your kidneys; The Kidneys were getting overloaded and so when you stopped the MSM the overload had to try to get out through your skin (an alternate route of elimination), which resulted in the hives you describe in your waist area (Near the Kidneys, get it?). So the MSM did not "cause a problem". It actually got you to the next level, and now you would benefit greatly by using Liver- and Kidney-clearing herbs to remove *this stage* of obstacles to your returning health.
The body's major organs of elimination for waste and junk are: the Liver, the Kidneys, the Skin, the Lungs, of course the Bowel and Bladder are all-important too (and barfing, another expedient way to eliminate, also earwax :-)). In my observation, if the liver/bowel can't get rid of it, it backs up into the kidneys/urinarysystem as a next resort, then if the kidneys get overloaded, it backs up through the skin (This is why your skin is referred to as your "third Kidney"). It's my guess that there are your hives.
So I suggest you think about herbs, because they can be used to assist and clear the body's various organs over time (sometimes over very little time).
***If it were me****, I'd think about Cornsilk Tea for kidneys bladder and urinary system clearout (non-GMO and Organic only, please- Don't try to improvise with grocery store corn[think high pesticides]) or Hydrangea Root tea, and Swedish Bitters (@ Healthfood store, NatureWorks brand) to assist the Liver as quickly as possible.
For nutrition (to provide trace and other elements which are lacking sadly in current-day farmed produce), if it were me I'd be taking broken-cell-wall Chlorella, Alfalfa leaf, Kelp or Dulse, Irish Moss, Horsetail (for silica), (Cayenne in capsules), and using Celtic Sea Salt on food and in cooking to begin with.
Also test your responses to see if Cilantro gets a good response from your body. If it does, go for it.
It looks likely to me that the stuff you are ingesting or exposed to, and then are not eliminating efficiently, is most likely the issue. Whether it is in supplements or foods or environment I cannot tell from what you wrote, but it could be any or all of them.
If that's not it, then you may be missing some element that completes the process of effective elimination.
PS if you don't drink enough clear water, stuff can't be transported out so it silts back. http://www.watercure.com
I discovered with myself that any supplement which contains Calcium Carbonate as a filler or excipient lays the stuff right down like a *very* tough silt everywhere. Then I have to get it out. "'NOW Brand' Super Enzymes" in capsules (NOT tablets) will eventually get the Calcium Carbonate out. For me. And it takes awhile (weeks).
IMHO there is a lot for you to think about here. But *IMHO* you did a good thing by taking the MSM, and *if it were me* I'd resume it slowly and continue it, although you didn't say how much you are taking.
If it were me I'd also immediately DROP soda pop, white bread, white flour, white rice, white Sugar from my diet. About unmoderated alcohol or any smoking, well, do I need to say anything..?
I also do not slather anything onto my body that I would not eat :-).
Lastly Martel, I would like to say this to you:
"NEVER GIVE UP your endeavor for health. Keep reading and reading, keep studying, keep going, keep working at it, no matter what anyone says, no matter who tells you they think it's incurable."
BTW the poster who wrote about the acid-alkaline balance, etc- IMHO is 'right on' and I applaud them.
I wish you (and all of us) the very Best of Health Martel,
I've always taken MSM with Vitamin C to balance it. I currently take 4gms MSM 3x per day and dissolve each dose with 1gm of Vitamin C. It is even more effective to blend this mixture into Aloe Vera juice. That gives me so much energy that I only do it before yoga in the morning. I'd never sleep if I took it that way in the evening.
Three grams is considered a safe upper limit, though some people take much more. Given that mega doses of Vitamin C could cause kidney stones, I'd recommend that you start with 100mg of Vitamin C with each dose of MSM and increase it if you tolerate it.
Vitamin C is an antioxidant that is filtered and "wasted" through the kidneys, bathing them with protection from the toxins that MSM is flushing from the system. The body also needs Vitamin C to form healthy new tissues, specifically collagen that comprises cartilage and keeps skin firm. Any excess is eliminated within a few hours, which is why one needs to take it several times per day.
There are two ways that MSM is made. One is distilled and one is chemically made. Most MSM on the market is chemically made and I suspect that the kidney problems are caused by the chemicals they use to make MSM. I have been taking MSM for 4 years and have not had a problem, I use distilled MSM. Check when buying to make sure it is distilled. If you are in Australia you can get distilled MSM from organicherbalcoloncleanse.com
I know a guy who got kidney stones from his well water...the doctor knew other men from the same street he lived on and said, Oh you live on kidney stone alley! So I wonder what kind of water you drink? Also, the type as mentioned previously matters. How it's made. I read to get it in a feed store because the turnover is greater then for people but I still think you have to care that it's not made chemically.
Hopefully, you can try good water, good MSM and get back to where you were or better!
Can anyone give me some tips on how to bleed? I bought a lancet pen and that doesn't produce much blood. I have elevated ferritin 226 [24-335] and was told I'll feel a lot better after I lower it, and I think I will too. I can taste iron in my blood if I cut my finger. Am chelating using oral EDTA starting 2 weeks ago, which they say will lower the Iron a little but probably not enough.
They say leech therapy helps do this but it sounds a little gross to me.
I'm a 58 year old male. I can't give blood due to Hep C. So far I haven't been able to find phlebotomy. A Nurse in Seattle recommended it for me but no one here in TN wants to take an order from an ARNP 2400 miles away.
I don't think I have Hemo_____is. It's just elevated ferritin. Many people have it, and I was told many would be healthier if they lowered it but most MDs don't agree on what's the best level for Ferritin. That's one of the reasons why they say it's very healthy to donate blood, because it stimulates new blood formation - cleaner, newer, better blood.
Am not wanting to take any more supps. I already take a LOT : ALA, NAC, EDTA, etc.
I'm just going to have to keep trying until I find a way to get therapeutic phlebotomy.
Im also looking to decrease my iron for greater healthyness. I have ordered two natural iron chelators: ip6 (source naturals at vitacost) and lactoferrin (vrp.com). I dont know how effective they are but I know that the iron chelator drugs are all either very toxic or just not available in the US.
Online: Chelating iron seems to kill parasites, discourage bacteria growth, and even breakdown biofilms (antibiotic resistant bacteria defense mechanism). I am doing internet research to see how iron chelators may effect fungus also.
IP6 is a waste of time. You have to take it all by itself. If you take any food or supplements within 2 or 3 hours of IP6 it destroys any benefit the IP6 has. I tried it for a couple of years with slight to poor results
I switched to Lactoferrin from Jarrow a couple of years ago and the stuff works. You can take it on an empthy stomach, full stomach, with suppliments. It doesn't matter.
I get blood work every year and the dramatic decrease in iron was fantastic. There are lots of places to buy lactoferrin and everyone says theirs is best. Some cost $15 and some cost $50.
I went the $15 route at vitacost.com and the stuff rocks. It really does work.
get a small turkish tea cup, light a small wad of paper and place it inside the cup....quickly while it is still burning place it on the back in the centre just at the join of the neck (burning side facing on the body).
The fire will soon after extinguish and you will hardly feel any burn as it will be starved of oxygen and unable to burn... but the oxygen will slowly exhaust over the course of say 15 mins.... you back/skin will be sucked into the tea cup... leave this and it will cause an accumulation of blood - namely dirty toxic blood... after 20 or so minutes, remove the cup and you will find a big purple welt. slit this with a razor blade and lots or dark toxic blood will be released... this should lower you high iron levels and also rid your of toxins...
please google this as my explanation might be vague.
its totally safe and has been an eastern custom in many households for centuries. most feel very cleansed from it.
some do it on back of neck or forehead for headaches.
you will feel relief but have a bruise for a few days and a small cut. but you should heal fast. make sure the razor is sterile
Hi everyone, I'm new to the site! I have a question about magnesium: Has anyone ever gotten depersonalization or derealization from taking magnesium supplements? I started taking them a few days ago, and all of a sudden have developed dp/dr.. It also seems to make my anxiety way worse. I'm not sure if this is just a coincidence and I would have gotten the dp anyway. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Magnesium falls into the electrolyte category where sodium and potassium also lies. All 3 have push and pulls on one another (and calcium to a lesser extent). Oftentimes magnesium can aggravate low sodium, potassium, calcium
Has anyone had a positive experience with tooth enamel - being strenghtened, etc, after changing to a particular diet? Which foods did you eat?
How long did it take to notice a difference?
Which kind of toothbrush do you use? Natural bristle? Other?
Are there alternatives to toothbrushes?
Sticks? Flannel wool? Other?
Any other ideas? Does the way you sleep matter? (Acid, etc.)
Yoga? Would that help to get evertything working?
Has anyone tried sleeping in a hammock? I want to but my first try didn't go so well. I like the idea to have my head and whole body supported.
In my experience, you absolutely can grow back your tooth enamel, regardless of what dentists may try to tell you. I think the reason dentists say that you can't grow back your tooth enamel is because they haven't figured out any external means to replenish tooth enamel, they can only help to re-mineralize the tooth enamel. The complex structure of the tooth enamel can only be created by your own body from the inside out. A healthy person can and does rebuild tooth enamel on a daily basis. I will tell you from my personal experience how I am pretty certain that your body can re-build tooth enamel. The first experience was when I did something really dumb when I was younger. I decided I was going to make my own electrolyte drink (like a homemade Gatorade). I added some salt and potassium citrate to my drinking water and was drinking this for a while. I started to notice that my teeth were becoming very translucent and were also becoming very sensitive. I finally connected this to the potassium citrate, the acid in this had basically almost eroded my teeth away, duh! But as soon as I stopped drinking this, the color in my teeth came back and the sensitivity also went away, through no effort of my own.
The second experience I had was more recently 3 years ago, I was traveling in India and had cerebral malaria, my teeth were the least of my worries as I was near death at one point, had acute kidney failure was on dialysis and felt like I had brain damage for much of my hospital stay of 3 weeks. Through all of this, I still was aware of something very strange that was going on with my teeth. They seemed like they had almost melted away and become soft and very strange feeling. When I finally got up the strength to try to brush them, the toothpaste kind of stuck to my teeth and wouldn't come off and they looked and felt so strange. I was convinced if I survived it that they would all fall out. But amazingly after I recovered my teeth also completely recovered and are completely normal today and I still don't have one cavity.
As you wrote, you don't know for certain that you really even did any real damage. Not brushing your teeth for a few weeks is not the end of the world and not guaranteed to do any certain damage. If you did any serious damage, you would most likely feel it. You would feel pain and sensitivity. And even if you did some damage, your body can absolutely rebuild and repair damage to the tooth enamel, as long as your body is in a state of health. It is when our body becomes unhealthy that it is unable to rebuild tooth enamel and cavities begin to develop.
It is obvious to me that what really needs healing is something more deep inside of you. If you want to talk about what happened to you and how to heal from your trauma, feel free to send me a private message.
Hello, please can you tell me how did you grow your enamel back? My teeth are getting worse and I know tried everything I now:Cod liver oil and Activator x, bone broth, Andreas Moritz kidney cleanse, calcium and magnesium supplements, sunshine... Nothing seems to help...
I totally agree with saywhatagain. You need to work on the traumatic incident you went through. First of all forgive that person then forgive yourself. Post your story on Emotional Healing forum...here...
The enamel can be easily damaged by unhealthy diet, so it is essential to follow a healthy food habit.
96% of tooth enamel are of mineral content, so you should avoid food with acidic properties. Acidic foods and drinks will damage our enamel by dissolving the mineral contents.
Avoid candy, coke, soft drinks, alcohol, tobacco, etc.
I too faced some enamel issues and seek the help of my family dentist.
He suggested me to avoid commercial tooth pastes and acidic foods.
It's better to use homemade toothpastes and bone broth in order to encourage the enamel growth. You can also add strawberries in your diet, it is best for enamel health.
I am writing because I have a digestion problem which I believe is due to a lack of certian minerals. A long story but these most recent problems started with me taking vitamin d. Prior to taking vitamin D I did not have many sensitivities at all. Post taking vitamin D my digestion is horrendous. My digestion is so horrendous that in order to not upset my stomach I need to take probiotics (acid) with chlorella (alkaline).
Vitamin D - This stuff wrecks me, 2000 IU's/d was enough to absolutely wreck me. Even 500 Iu's and I am brain fogged I pretty much become dysfunctional for the day if not days after that, and at 26 I have a lot of things to do. Must avoid. My adrenals are shot when I take this, my digestion dies (unformed stool). My stomach acid non-existant. I can't take multi-vitamins due to their vitamin D content. I can't absorb anything and it has had a lasting effect. It i could go back to the past and tell myself one supplement NOT to take it would be vitamin D.
I have IBS and a definite lack of stomach acid. I can't 100mg of magnesium without it disrupting my digestion.
If I take it with 2 tablespoons of apple cider vinegar then it does the trick for absorption. PROBLEM is, I have definitely skewed my mineral balance.
Here is what is most interesting... to me so far... If I take acid supplements of any kind, Betain HCL, Vitamin C (ascorbic acid), l-glutathione, N-acetyle cysteine, my energy actually goes WAY DOWN and my stomach acid goes way down as well - sounds backwards yes. This HAS to be a deficiency in something but I can't figure it out. Basically, I have to be careful with any supplement I take now because it could just wreck my digestion - even Iodine shuts down my stomach acid. WTF?!
- I have to take A LOT of salt to balance the magnesium I am taking, that seems to help with my adrenals slightly. I think I was actually getting too much potassium I was crushing water melons so I cut back on those.
- I can't digest citrus or citric acid in the slightest... so lemon juice for increasing stomach acid is completely out of the question, same with orange juice and then any canned or packaged foods with citric acid in it are a no go, as well as any citrate minerals. I really want to figure out what I'm lacking that is causing this citrus reaction as I never used to have it before. Vitamin b5 hasn't done anything for me.
- I am very anxious because of the way I am feeling during the day (very shitty) and used to be able to take lysine to calm me but now it just ruins my digestion.
- Also, I can't tolerate the additives in supplements... Any solution for this?
Anyways, thanks for reading and I hope someone might have some experience or knowledge about what deficiencies might be causing the above symptoms. Could it be as simple as a calcium deficiency?
I feel worse as well when on high levels of vitamin D, so I take it only a little bit at a time.
To counteract the high D3 levels, vitamin A and zinc are needed.
Can you still tolerate green herbs? This is the season to get out in your back yard or the forest and find some edible herbs. Goutweed, nettle, and dandylion leaf are all excellent sources of beta carotene and the chorophyll that is easily absorbed.
If you have vitamin A around, It can help bring back balance.
vitamin's A & D promote each others receptors
each vitamin (A & D) stimulated the production of its own receptor.
A short summart: L-form bacteria make a metabolite that locks with vitamin D receptors. Vitamin D is an ANTI INFLAMMATORY nutrient that lowers immune system activity. Flooding it in on top of an infection that is already lowering the immune system means that much of the healing and defensive activities needed by the body for normal function is interrupted.
Newport suggests in his post better nutrients to use to promote the healing effects attributed to vitamin D3.
You can check your calcium status by checking your urine pH. two hours after putting anything into your mouth.(except water)once or twice per day over a few days will give you an average.
If your pH is always above about 6.5 or 6.6, below 6.3 or 6.2, or moves around a lot that would be an indication of calcium deficiency since calcium is the body's biggest pH buffer.
With as many issues as you have there wouldn't be much question that you are probably severely calcium deficient. So the pH would guide you as to which kinds of calciums would be most helpful to start. Calcium gluconate is a good one especially for young old or sick people and has a neutral effect on pH. I know you can find that as a powder without additives.
The body needs about as much calcium as all of the other minerals combined and should be the first mineral to get right.
Magnesium is a fad. Any quality diet would have greens, and since magnesium is at the heart of chlorophyll, you would be getting plenty of magnesium. Plus it is a much more stable molecule than calcium.
Excess magnesium can cause all kinds of issues including protein depletion, nitrogen deficiency, and potassium deficiency.
Vitamin D's biggest job is to help the body to use calcium. Since you are having problems with vitamin D, that would be another clue that calcium status is off.
Plus vitamin D is very alkalizing and with a low calcium status it would cause alkaline fluctuations in pH. Generally, a urine pH too high would cause constipation, not loose stools but that's not an absolute.
Most people are calcium deficient, but no one should supplement with calcium unless they know their pH status because certain forms can cause more harm than good depending on whether the body leans more acid or more alkaline.
The body needs all forms of calcium and is usually deficient in them all, but by testing urine pH you can see which forms are the most deficient so you can start moving things in the right direction.
I had a terrible reaction to Vit D until I started taking VIT K. Our bodies are suppose to make Vit K but apparently mine was not. Once on the K2 for awhile the D no longer bothered me. But I am also careful to balance all my supplements. They all work off each other so if you add one you have to add others.
Hi! I refrained from consuming anything with salt for weeks to a month after accidentally ingesting too much at one time. Slowly I realized I was having a harder time eating because I started to have less saliva to help chew. I also started sweating dramatically less than normal. Basically, my body's fluid output had decreased (including urine). At some point, I noticed that I had to drink more water to quench my thirst, until only electrolyte drinks could quench it. This was around the time I realized that refraining from salt/salty food might be what's causing these things. So, I started eating food that had a normal level of saltiness and using salt as a condiment again. I immediately started feeling better, and the things I mentioned above about fluid output from my body (urine, saliva, sweat, etc.) began to improve, but only to a certain point. Also, once I reverted to eating normal food, a pressure started building up in my head every time I ingested something with salt. I got hospitalized because of this and after some time, an MRI scan revealed there was an increased amount of fluid (water?) in my head. And that's how it exactly feels. Like water pumping, which is really uncomfortable, though not as bad when I was taken to the hospital. So, after visits to different doctors and tests done to find out the problem exactly is, they just said that I should just keep on eating normally and everything would eventually go back to normal, since I had normal electrolyte results (although some of the doctors I went to said these aren't exactly accurate since they only measure electrolyte blood levels), no diabetes, no thyroid problems, etc.
My present condition:
Plain water still doesn't quench my thirst like it normally does, and salt doesn't taste "salty" like how it normally does. I read somewhere on the forums that this could indicate a deficiency. I've been hoping that I would be back to normal at some point, but it seems like I'm not able to absorb the salt that my body needs to get back to normal levels, despite eating normally again. The pressure in my head increase or decreases depending on the saltiness of the food or fluids I intake. My perspiration, saliva, and urine levels, also haven't returned to normal, and I frequently feel sleepy even when I have had a full night's rest. I had to post this because I am feeling worse as time passes and am hoping that someone would know what to do.
Salt displaces potassium and magnesium. Start green-veggie juicing and fruit juicing, and you'll get those levels balanced out again. Skip salt for two weeks or so, try to stick to dark green leafy fresh vegs and herbs. Parsely smoothies with spinach and apple, cherry tomatoes with a little carrot and the juice of a whole lemon..
Get creative. Skip water for plain drinking, make 1 liter of juice for each day instead, add a little water to it to dilute it if you're still thirsty.
Iodine promotes sweating, salivation and healthy water levels.
Juicing will stock you up on potassium, chlorides, magnesium, chlorophyll-nutrients, vitamin C and B's, and everything that would cost you a fortune on ineffective multivits.
What are your vitamin D blood levels? Get them checked at the doctor's to make sure you're absorbing minerals properly.
Vitamin D3 blood levels are not the endgame on improving health and bone strength/tissue elasticity/collagen strength, though.
D3 is a decent marker of the health of cell membrane strength and nutrients getting in and out of the cell, but it's one out if a network of nutrients.
Of extra importance is silica levels in the body, which is a crystalline element vital for building strong bone, muscle and collagen. It is best bioavailable from green herbs, like fresh horsetail (grows as a weed in calcium-poor soil.) You can pluck it and boil the young shots for five minutes as a refreshing tea. :D
If you use CoQ10, I would point you towards organ meats first like heart and liver. Curezone articles point to a sudden dose of 3000-4000 units of CoQ10 for killing Tapeworms swiftly..
And in my own experience, I felt much better with CoQ10 than with just Ubiquionine.
Low stomach acid levels will inhibit healthy digestion, period, so keep your eyes on vegetables, herbs, and in-season fruits! Stomach acid is the first defense, well worth study.
BE AWARE, BE AWARE, Vitamin D3 is not the marker you want to be trying to raise in your blood anyways, it can LOWER your immune system function and allow L-form bacteria (such as lyme and streptococcus spirochetes) to spread in the body. Please read here: http://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1908276#i
I have a coconut tool which is a handle with a stainless steel cutter which you twist into the eyes on the coconut. The biggest problem is that the stainless steel cutter is frequently too big for the smaller coconuts and it is damn difficult to get it into them. I found a drill works better for smaller coconuts. Empty the coconut water, I keep that and then bake the coconut in the oven for an hour. Then it can be easily cracked open and the shell comes away from the flesh quite easily.
Without baking it's a real pain getting the flesh away from the shell.
This is seriously affecting my quality of life. I've tried a lot of different things to address my ailments, with some minor success, but nothing dramatic or close to the cure I'm looking for :( I'm 30 years old, very active and exercise many times a week, eat a low carb, high fat, and moderate protein diet, have cut out all sugar, dairy, grains, gluten, caffeine, and any foods I'm allergic to (which I have many). I'm extremely health conscious yet I have all these health issues:
- Hollowed eyes, dark circles
- Creases in skin due to dehydration
- Chronically chapped lips no matter how much water I drink
- I'm always thirsty no matter how much water I drink. I typically drink more than a gallon of water a day.
- Dry eyes, sore to the touch
- Dehydrated look to skin
- Dry lips no matter how much water I drink
- Dry hair, sometimes randomly brittle. Some days hair will feel healthy, other days brittle, dry, with hair loss
- Itchy scalp (Seborheic Dermatitis)
- Sensitive to cold, I start shivering when drinking ice cold water
- Bloated face. After eating, my face takes on a bloated look
- Sometimes I’ll look in the mirror and then come back a few minutes later and my face looks different (it'll be red/less red, more bloated/less bloated)
- On random days or random times during the day my skin and hair will look and feel really good (hydrated, healthy, etc). Then after a few hours, day or few days later, it will return to its dry state.
- I also suffer from food allergies
- Face easily flushes, like from laughing, smiling, etc. Or when standing up after sitting down
- I donated my left kidney 3 years ago
I used to have a brain fog issue but that has gotten a lot better after cutting out carbs. I recently starting supplementing with LoSalt (170mg sodium, 450mg potassium each serving) with about 4-5 servings per day. It seems to have made my skin, lips, and eyes more hydrated. I'm wondering if I should increase the amount of servings even more. What's wrong with me? It seems like there might be a mineral imbalance but I'm not sure. I would appreciate any advice/insight! Thanks so much!
You are drinking too much water and you are still dehydrated.
Sounds to me like you are not getting enough salt, or at least not enough of the right kind of salt.
Chapped lips tells me that you have some inflammation going on in your colon. Are you having regular bowel movements?
I would cut some of the fat out of the diet and make sure to get plenty of essential fatty acids instead.
Do you know the person who has your kidney? Is he/she going through anything similar?
Are you taking selenium? If so, how much? Keep it under 800-1000mcg per day depending on what you weigh.
Get some Bentonite clay from Wyoming, sold by Braunfels Labs on Amazon, soak half a teaspoon in distilled water for a few hours and drink on an empty stomach. It will help clean out the guts and get you the minerals you need.
You are stressing out your kidney with too much water. The circles under the eyes are an indication of kidney stress. Look up herbs for the kidneys. Make herbal kidney tea and drink less water.
Listen to Grizz, too.
Take my advice with a grain of salt peter.
Get several opinions.
Listen to them all.
This is what I would do if I were you.
But you know more about you than I know about you.
So you may know something I don't.
I did those tests about 6 months ago and nothing came up, other than I have Gilbert's Syndrome which I was told was benign. My GFR also showed up perfectly normal for someone with 1 kidney. Thanks for your reply.
Sounds like you could really benefit from the care of a TCM doc. The cold, dry symptoms, among others indicate constitutional imbalances. Treatment would include acupuncture, dietary changes and certain remedies. Here is a web site that may be helpful http://chinesemedicinebodytype.com/body-type-overview/
The web site leads to a report you can order. I would definitely not suggest that. Ask around at health food stores for a great local practitioner of acupuncture. They may be TCM practitioners, chiropractors or other health care doctors.
I would eat warming foods, no sugar, very little raw food. Research the subject on line There's a lot of great info.
The last 20 months approximately, on the upper part of my three most central upper frontal teeth, have appeared three cavities, as in that there are actually real holes in the teeth - each maybe 3x3x1mm in size. And those teeth are tender.
I had "white"/"demineralized" spots on my teeth for many years, and when I grew up I had lots of teeth problems, except for an occasional general sense of sensitivity. Last 15 years I didn't need to go to the dentist.
I am a healthy (though slightly aspergery) male, 30 years old, slender, tall. I take some sodium ascorbate, MSM and Borax every day. Last year I drank concentrated lemonade maybe 30 times. I drink honey tea several times daily. I have no Amalgams since 20 years, and I did take ALA and DMSA before to kick out any heavy metals.
I must fix this in order to feel comfortable with people - in particular next time I get a girlfriend, but also just for making big smiles!
The fixes I'm aware of is
* Comfrey root rinses, it's said it can actually re-grow teeth?
* Eat fat soluble vitamins with coconut oil, e.g. D and K2
* Maybe somehow eat more minerals, in particular calcium and phosphorous, though not sure how.
At your request I can post actual photos of the issue here.
Hi don't freak out- i have two fake teeth in the front (looks way better than my real ones) b/c I broke them when i was little and no one knows unless i tell them- they cost like 1k each and last more than 10 years if you take care of them...drink all sugary and acidic fluids through straw...
reintroduce minerals into your body by Himalayan salts in your diet
boil a whole organic chicken w/o skin for at least 5 hours- keep adding water as the water evaporates with 1 teaspoon of Himalayan salt, 4 heads of garlic, and 3 red onions (add 2 heads of garlic in the last hour)...the minerals from the bones makes a mineral rich broth and eat all the white cartilage...also, you can make ormus oil - will pm you the details
It seems there are so many possibilities these days I wonder which one to choose.
I am not a scientist but a thorough, analytical researcher.
I have researched and googled. Here are my results:
- Water Distiller
- Reverse osmosis
- Water Ionizer
- Water Di ionizer
- Ozone generator
- (UV) Ultraviolet light
- (GAC) Granular activated carbon
- UV filter
- Basic home Brita water
I have pointed out items which I have discovered but would be grateful for anyone elses development of these points. I don't really know much about deionized water since I have researched ionized water a fair bit.
pro: 1) removes most contaminants from water.
con: 1) does not remove all VOCS
con: 2) ph low - acidic. not ideal for drinking
con: 3) £300 / $US 600 - slow 4hrs for 4 litres
?: Does the distiller leech minerals from the body? Evidence suggests this is the case. But is that because the person isn't drinking tap water and getting their usual dose from there? In which case could they get enough of the right minerals from adding a pinch of Sea Salt as the book "Your bodies many cries for water" suggests? But due to Hulda Clark s book " The Cure For All Diseases " everything has mold in it, including salt, so would it then be wise to kill potential mold in the salt by ozonating the water after that? But then after reading about ozonators I came across information about producing dangerous ozone gases being produced? In any case, the water may still be quite acidic, so to alkalise surely it would be better to add alkalising ingredients - calcium and magnesium. It seems like a slow process.
pro: 1) 2nd best for removing contaminants from water.
con: 1) not as good as distiller for removing potential bacteria or pathagens etc
con: 2) ph low - acidic. not ideal for drinking
con: 3) wastes 85 - 95% of water. so not economically friendly. Surely the more waste this produces, the less of the good water is circulating our cities and ending up in our tap water. ie the rich get healthier while the poor get sicker.
pro: 1) 3rd best for removing contaminants from water
pro: 2) Also alkalises water providing more oxygen for the body for absorbing nutrients
pro: 3) does not waste water, since you can use the acidic water for other purposes
pro: 4) most practical and fastest method of creating water
con: 1) does not remove all toxins from water as do reverse osmosis or distilled water.
?: Does not remove hormones from water. Is this still good for someone who wants to get a filter to deal with Breast Cancer or infertility because of oestrogen.
pro: 1) removes bacteria, pathagens
con: 2) ph low - acidic. not ideal for drinking
?: Is it a solvent that will leech important minerals from the body, or is it that once again as i pointed out with the distilled water, that because by drinking it the person isn't getting their standard doses of minerals from unfiltered tap water?
pro: oxygenates water and kills bacteria and pathagens
con: can produce dangerous ozone gas
?: does the ozonator alkalise water
?: does it remove toxins?
pro: removes some heavey metals, VOCs
pro: cheapest of other filters, and most other filters will incorporate this - ioniser, reverse osmosis etc
con: does not remove bacteria, viruses
con: does not remove fluoride, nitrates , arsenic, iron
So that leaves me with the questions unanswered. Which is best?
CHEAPEST: basic brita water filter
NEXT CHEAPEST: GAC filter
BEST PRACTICAL: ionizer ( most efficient but not most thorough - does not remove hormones, and not sure about silver)
LESS CONTAMINANTS: distilled water (most thorough but lease efficient, but not sure about whether it removes vocs, or leeches the bodies minerals. I think my research suggests it needs to be alkalised after regardless.)
I suppose you could distil the water, then let it sit outside in an organic farm well for a week and then pump it through an ioniser. But then then if you had an organic farm you probably wouldn't be too concerned with drinking the local tap water.
I agree, the distilled water is the most thorough eliminator of toxins, however there are problems I have found with this method.
1) PROBLEM: There is evidence to suggest that it doesn't remove VOCS - ie volatile organice compounds. I suppose it makes sense when you think that if the water contains some volatile organic compounds, you most certainly wouldn't want to heat them up, otherwise they would release into the room that your distilling. A bit like heating up oil, you get toxic fumes, and horrible smell, not to mention toxic side affects. Either way it appears from what I have read that a lot of distillers release them into a gas, and back into the water that your about to drink. From my research it appears that it is important to remove the VOCS first with a carbon filter.
SOLUTION: So as long as the water is first filtered with a carbon filter to remove these vocs then this is so far the best method.
2) PROBLEM: The second problem is that the water is acidic to the body, so will need to be remineralized, alkalised, restructured etc othewise it will pick up lots of good minerals from your body and excrete them in your urine.
NEAR SOLUTION: This can be done by adding salt. So in the book - 'your many cries for water' it is very important to add 1/2 teaspoon of good quality salt to 2.5 litres of this water. No doubt you will get that in your food. So that doesn't really pose a problem. But note that - even in dr Hulda Clark es book - she claims that even salt carries mold, and leaving water to sit around will soon accumulate bacteria. This is a problem with distilled water since after being distilled it sits there waitint to be drunk - not totally practical.
NEAR SOLUTION: I suppose you could then ozonate the water before drinking to kill any growing bacteria, or add neem, garlic, Black-Walnut , citricidal / grapefruit seed extract.
NEAR SOLUTION: You could then put the water through another filter, perhaps a silver activated carbon filter, and even ionize the water with a water ionizer, but note, the water would definately need to be remineralised for the water ionizer to be able to re-alkalise.
CONSIDERATIONS: I'm all for keeping things natural, because we have more evidence of what works from history of naturapathic methods. Any new method of solving a problem we have to realise that comes with a new set of side affects or problems. So I'm not sold on the idea of ionizing or ozonating. However, distilling occurs in nature, so I am mostly for this method. Its just that its a lot of work to get the best water.
So far here is the most thorough method I have found for making the most cleanest water:
1) carbon filter, as micron small as possible (the smallest being reverse osmosis, but wastes too much water, so next up is 0.01 micron filter, currently selling with jupiter water ionizers and the kyk harmony amongst others. Im researching currently where to buy it in the uk, but struggling right now, it seems the manufacturer claims its not needed for british water. I disagree, besides I might want to carry it on my travels.)
3) remineralize with salt, and or other herbs, etc
4) maybe put lemon juice in it, this would help keep bacteria from growing in it while its sitting. And though acidic on the ph, it will actually be alkalising through the body.
personaly i'd like to pour this water down a stream of untainted, unpolluted volcanic rock to pick up all the natural minerals.
Please note, im not a nutritionist, or qualified doctor, but purely a research enthusiast, so all of this information is a collective opinion of everything that I have read.
I really appreciate this kind of information. My husband and I are trying to figure out the practical uses of an ozonator and distilled water. What we probably will do is continue buying distilled water from the store, let Sea Salt remineralize the water, and ozonate it, then put couple drops of lemon essential oil (young living) in the water to keep it fresh.
We like the idea of ozonator because we cant just use distilled water in the bathtub or for large uses like a pool. For a bath, we probably will pour Epsom Salts in the water and ozonate the water for a good while, then pour some essential oils in the water before getting in.
I will admin that I have never used lemon oil. I have just done some googling to find out about it and it seems like a great antiseptic, anti bacterial. I image as a really sour food it would probably be great for the liver in stimulating bile for digestion. As for alkalising, I can't seem to find anything for that yet.
My preference currently is to use just the lemon juice. The reason for this is:
1) It is well proven in nutritional publications of emphasizing its alkalising results in the body.
2) lemon juice is water soluble so will absorb with water. I know its good to mix oils with salads and vegetables, but thats on the basis of eating and the stomach generating acid to break the food down. It just seem apparent to me that if I'm drinking water, which should really digest very quickly in order for quick hydration and easy absorption its best done without oil. After all, there is so much published material on drinking liquids atleast 30 mins or more and 2 1/2 hrs after eating. I would have thought that taking lemon oil would constitute as eating since the stomach acid has to break it down. No matter how much was consumed, and even if it were just a microscopic amount, would it then even be worth putting in?
Thats not to discount lemon oil. I might be wrong about the absorbing from water. After all I haven't sufficient background in research of this.
NOTE: However, dentists claim that lemon erodes teeth, so it wouldn't be a bad idea to actually bring the ph up with some alkalising agent:
By staying close to nature, you could easly put in some fresh herbs, spices etc, and or seawead, green plants - barley grass, wheatgrass, Sea Salt , let to soak a little,
In addition to that, you could go further and then then perhaps maybe even ionize after with ionizer?
Bear in mind that in Dr Gersons book - 'healing the hopeless', using bicarbonate of soda might be contradictory because it reduces the potassium balance which can lead to cancer. - see pg183 - 192. Also calcium might have this affect also, see pg 185. I have noticed myself when taking buffered vitamin c with calcium that I have always felt tired after drinking some. Fair enough that could have been withdrawel symptoms, but after taking magnesium ascorbate vitamin c I never felt tired. Also, when I was at college 10 years ago studying art I was really into bodybuilding and use to make a point of drinking lots of milk to bulk up. It could have been the Sugar content in the milk, but I always felt lethargic just under an hr of taking the milk. Mind you, there is countless research against milk for so many other ailments I don't need to emphasise its detrimental affect on health.
2) ionizing the water after adding a tiny bit of salt, or seawead etc. I haven't done this yet, so would be interested to see the results.
It's good that you can buy distilled water, though I would make sure that the water is carbon filtered thoroughly for VOCS (volatile organic compounds) before its distilled if you want completely clean water. And that when you collect it its going into dark glass containers or bottles, not plastic, unless the plastic is a strong plastic and/or is checked for chemicals etc. See Hulda Clark s - cure for all cancers, and jupitor ionizer videos on types of containers to keep water in in case of leeching of toxic chemicals into the water.
As per My observation and study in the water purifier industry.
When you purchase RO water purifier one must keep below things in mind.
1) Source of the Water.
2) TDS of the water.
If you are getting Municipal water you don’t need RO water purifier, But for better taste and complete removal of virus and Bactria along with Chlorine, If you need RO water purifier then you must buy RO water purifier with guaranteed PH value of 7.0 to 8.5 range.
If you just buy RO water purifier isopurewater.com for municipal water there is 90% chance you will be drinking acidic water with PH value less than 6.5. Hence you need to buy RO with added minerals or Alkaline chamber
If you are getting borewell water and water is very sweet doesnt mean that your water is safe.
If you are getting Tanker water or borewell water above 300 TDS, You must choose any RO water purifier with UF or UV or Iodine.
When you buy RO water purifier dont give priority to any brand.
Look at the configuration and after sales service.
Just because you are on municipal water, does not mean your water is safe, or that you do not need a reverse osmosis system. Yes, the bacteria and viruses are killed, but there are still hundreds of contaminants in the water that can be harmful. And, if you get a reverse osmosis system with a DI canister, the water pH is alkaline, or you can get both alkaline and mineral filters for the RO system. But generally, tap water is at about a 6.5 pH level, so it is acidic already.
Most of our bodies are water, why not make it be water that is excellent and a pH of 8.5 to 9.5 alkalinity. If you drink something acidic you will feel it later. The water doesn't come with the electrolytes and the bottling company's have bottles that contain BPA which is not good for your especially if you have infections. You drink something acidic your body react to it differently and robs calcium from the bones so the stomach can break it down. If you want something like this send me a message and I will send you information on how your body can have the water it deserves and have the minerals put back in your body.
I think the best water filter is a reverse osmosis system, because it can offer your plenty of clean and healthy water.You also can buy a water distiller to make distilled water. However, most home water distiller only can make 1 gallon water in 4 to 6 hours. Therefore, a distiller cannot provide you with enough water to drink, cook and wash.Water Ionizers and
Water Di ionizers also have similar problems.
You must first know what is wrong with your drinking water before you start treating it. Understanding and adopting, apt water treatment technology that would proficiently treat the impurities would give you pure and safe water to drink. You can concern Water Consumer for the guidance they actually tells what purifier you should adopt according to the impurities and hardness.
As you said there are so many type of water filters. However, which is the best? In my opinion, I think a reverse osmosis water filter is the best one, because it can remove a wide range of contaminants in your water. what's more, it can offer you a great amount of water in a short time. This link may help you find the best one: http://top5best.org/top-5-best-reverse-osmosis-systems-buying-tips-guides/
Actually none of them work perfectly to filter germs, ppm etc. Combine system like RO/UV/de-ionizer together can show great performance to get healthy water, weather it for home or garden. I know hydrologicsystems.com filter brand. Who build highly engineered water filter for customer.
They have all types of filtration system for commercial or residential uses. They have RO UV sterilizer kits to enhance filter performance too. You can chek their website for more information.
RO purification is good and it has i guess more pros than cons. it's a time-tested system. i found many reviews here - rohelper dot com - on brands manufacturing RO filters and other ways of filtering. all of the brands are US based except for the Katadyn - (Swiss)
Aquafresh RO is the best water filter for home use. There are lots of models available in market manufactured by Aquafresh and all are featured with 7 stage purification system. Reduce TDS and and other microbes from the water and make it pure and healthier for drinking. For more details visit aquafreshropurufier DOT com
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Lots of things are claimed to cure joint pain but I think a lot of it depends on why the joint pain exists.
Vit C is essential for collagen production, collagen is the main component of tendons/ligaments which hold the joint in place, they get stretched/damaged the joint gets sloppy and wears away at cartridge causing damage. Boron (many sulfur elements actually) also play a role. Then you have pain from nerve damage as seen in various B deficiencies as well as claims by those such as Dr Hoffer who treated tons of people for crippling arthritis with high dose niacin.
All of my cases that had joint/muscular pain reported less pain after a while. But they took Iodine and borax, so it is difficult to know what caused what. I never had much joint pain myself, so I cant help much here.
There have been some testimonials about boron and pain at this forum, but since grizz didnt work here back then:), no one have stored these reports properly.
grizz, in response to your reply: no i have never had any joint pain. I have however consumed smalled amounts of Borax, on a couple of occasions, and never frequently (my mum actually chucked the stuff out because I told her i was using it internally lol)
i did however notice that the first time i took a teaspoon of the solution i made, which was 1tsp disolved into 1 Litre of water, that a strange pressure in my head occurred, and was not a headache, just strange, i assumed that it was neutralizing fluoride in my brain ie pineal, which actually received the highest rate of blood flow in your body.
I am mid 40s and have played college football and have lifted hard for 20 years. it has taken a toll on my joints and have developed arthritis in my elbow and cant straighten out arm. I have pain cuz I still train 5 days a week. I have taken 1\4th of teaspoon of borax for a year. it does nothing for joints and my arthritic elbow. but I continue borax for the libido/test increase and other benefits. I have used 20 mule and mountain herb. even got boron caps as well.
I have been on tri-boron for about 1 month? or so. When I first started experimenting with it I got really tired so I thought it was either a detox reaction or it wasn't good for me.
Then I had the idea to take it right before bed and that worked out really well. It feels like it's relaxing my whole body at a deep level so I'm suspecting fluoride detox. Also an herbalist told me that boron helps to absorb calcium similar to the way vit. D works, so it could be that too.
Another really interesting thing is that both boron and Iodine are needed in people with certain gene mutations. I had some genetic testing done and I am one of those people who benefit from both of these, but I don't take the high doses of Iodine regularly.
So the short answer is so far it's not making a huge difference in the joint problems, but over time it might.
I have taken an extra morning dose, for a total of 6mg. Sometimes this helps smoothe the day out but it also makes me tired.
Boron is the only mineral that I like to take every day.
I would not expect it to work for stress related joint problems like the previous poster.
Yes, I was a little disappointed of borax` effect on joints; as in the beginning of it I thought it was a cure all:)
But, I guess its painkilling effect is would be on some types of arthritis / pain, depending on its cause. One arthritis case had reduced pain (50% or something) but it did nothing for her hips where the cartilage was completely gone, she needed a hip replacement. But she still take borax as it helps with the muscular pains (fibromyalgia-ish). Alot of these are probably also magnesium deficiency, boron help by retaining the mag.
I forgot to mention my sport damaged knee and shoulder; the shoulder no difference since Iodine / boron. (reduced mobility + a little pain sometimes when I exercise wrong or too much) But the knee has been completely pain free the last 5 years. Somewhere I read that Iodine has an affinity for knees, I also remember a few others that was pain free after iodine.
So, the combination is the trick, IMO.
Also, if boron run the parathyroid, as iodine the thyroid; they really are a mule team.
Didn't have joint pain really but my toes cracked quite a bit especially first thing when I woke up. Lately havent heard them cracking but I'm also taking lots of other supps.
For the record I started off with 3 mg but now up to 18 mg a day. That is 6 tri boron caps...3 in the morning and 3 at night.
Would love to see other benefits people experience with it too.
I have healed a chronic sore thumb (metacarpal bone)that felt like a fracture that had failed to heal. It wasn't actually injured, that I can recall, so I think it was an arthritis-related issue. I started taking a weak boric acid solution daily, and found that the pain gradually diminished over several months, and the thumb is now strong and pain-free.
This was a beneficial side-effect, as I was not taking the boron for that problem, specifically. I just mixed 5-6 grams in a liter of pure water, and took about 15 ml of that in water. The taste is not bad at all. That problem had existed for a year or more, before I discovered the boron idea. I have no access to borax, so I can't comment on that. I also found that my knee pains were reduced-- I cycle more than 50km/week, and noticed an improvement in knee joint pain, which tends to come and go. I would recommend this remedy to anyone with joint pain. I was not taking any other mineral supplement at that time, and had not changed my diet.
Boron works. I have suffered from severe knee pain for several months, especially when going downstairs. After taking Ionic Boron have felt significant relief. Previously, I have been taking Glucosamine, Chrondroitin, Bromelain, Turmeric with little effects. Boron worked the best and fast. I found this link because I myself am marvelled at how it has worked.
This is Day 11 for me taking 300mg/Day 20 Mule Team Borax powder, measured on a milligram digital scale.
This yields 33mg/Day elemental Boron.
Before starting the Borax treatment, I had severe pain and cracking in all joints; the worst were feet and left hand finger joints and neck joint.
I also had low Free Testosterone, though my Total Testosterone was 26.6 uMol/L which is near the top of the normal range.
The evening of the first day - dose is always taken upon awakening - I noticed increased penile erectility.
By Day 3 my joint pain was decreased by 50%.
It's now Day 11 and all pain in all my joints is gone.
There is no precedent for this; pain was always worse each day excepting minor day-to-day variations.
Joint cracking is still present due to cartilage loss but it has decreased on average 50% by today.
Lower back pain which used to require constant stand-rotate-crack-sit cycles every ten minutes is gone. Now I can sit every night out on the porch for 2-3 hours with zero pain.
Life is now a joy.
The inflammation in all my joints and everywhere else in my body is GONE. Wiped out to zero as of today.
Further, the tiny black spots - floaters - in my field of vision are gone. All that remains is faint larger 'ghosts'.
Even better, ~2h after taking the first dose of Borax I noticed an increase in cognitive speed.
Since starting Borax I now wake up mentally 'clear' and full of physical energy. This is a total change from my previous condition.
I have also received a consistent boost in Free Testosterone level. My libido recovers far quicker after sex activity. I have a woody every morning now; it began ~3 days after starting Borax supplementation.
This raised Free Testosterone has stopped my rapid weight loss due to Cachexia and also prevents fatigue / wasting / pain when I ride my bicycle. Just basic riding for chores. It was always a pain and problem before but not any more.
Borax works and is proven by a study to be safe up to 272mg/Day (30mg/Day elemental Boron)in humans. This is not to say 30mg/Day elemental Boron is the maximum safe level, simply that this dose has been found to be safe.
Borax itself is 50% less toxic than table salt (NaCl). Borax's rat LD50 is between 4,500mg/kg - 6,000mg/kg bodyweight.
Table salt's rat LD50 is 3,000mg/kg.
I have received NO SIDE EFFECTS at this dose, and I am very sensitive to side effects. Not even loose stool. Nothing.
My 2,150g of 20 Mule Team Borax is a 19.7-year supply at 300mg/Day and it cost only $
Hi Grizz I know this is an old post but I have had results from borax I have had hip pain and joint pain for 3 years I started Borax just over 1 week ago and I am pain free, I can tell you I am surprised! I take 3mg a day at the mo. My joints also feel looser. Hope this helps
Hi - hopefully someone can help me out with this. This "dilemma" is just the latest example of why I often find nutrition so frustratingly confusing. I was wanting to purchase some ionic trace minerals (such as pHion or ConcenTrace Trace Mineral drops) to put in my water - because I've heard of the antioxidant, mineralizing and super-hydrating benefits of ionic trace minerals. It seems to be an affordable alternative to buying a back-breakingly expensive water ionizing machine (like the Kangen machines). However, there seems to be a drawback to using these trace minerals: all of the trace mineral solutions on the market seem to contain a LOT of "minerals" (or metals, really) that may be detrimental to the body. If you read the labels of these products - you see they contain things such as nickel, cesium, aluminum, tin - and a BUNCH of other "minerals" that I'm not sure I want in my body. Supposedly the selling point to having all of these minerals show up on the label is that they are in their "naturally-occurring trace amounts", and the concentrations of these minerals are way too low to be much of a health concern. And supposedly, these minerals are present in the foods and beverages we consume on a daily basis - so they shouldn't be a problem. But don't these minerals accumulate in the body tissues over time? I'm not sure if I want to be taking something that will add to my "body burden" of certain harmful metals.
Am I worrying needlessly about this? Are these minerals/metals somehow beneficial in the form and concentrations in which they appear in these products? Do the potential benefits of using these ionizing solutions far outweigh the "risks"?
Please advise. It would be nice if I could have the benefits of ionized water at a price that is within my budget - but if it means that I would be ingesting and bioaccumulating harmful metals, I just may pass.
In nature you can't get around the harmful elements, BUT the beneficial minerals protect the body from absorbing the harmful minerals. The most important consideration is to ensure your body has mineral reserves met so that it can function properly and detoxify the body of any heavy metals and other toxins.
I firmly believe that all disease begins when minerals are lacking. If you want to learn more about minerals you can read grzbear's posts and moreless's. But you'll have to watch out for moreless because he can be impatient, read up first and ask questions later.
I came across an animal study where they took 2 groups fed them the same diet, but one group received distilled water laced with arsenic and the other group received mineralized (cal, mag & other trace elements) water also laced with arsenic. What they found was that the group receiving the minerals were able to detoxify their system better than the group without the minerals, thus the mineralized group did not suffer from arsenic poisoning!
I would not waste money on the fancy water machines! I recently bought a Dupont faucet 4 stage water filtration unit and it is the best tasting water that I have ever had! I have tried a few other filtration units such as PUR and Brita, but this Dupont is the best. Top the filtered water off with some alkalizing minerals as per suggested by moreless and you will be on your way to replenishing your mineral reserves!
Thanks for the advice - that was some good information there. I decided to try Alacer's "Electromix" - because I was concerned about the amount of magnesium in the ConcenTrace Trace Minerals. (Why would I be afraid of magnesium? Well, I thought it might throw off my body's calcium/magnesium ratio. And recent experience has indicated that too much magnesium relative to calcium - though I like what it does for my "nerves" - might actually make me more acidic. According to the doctor who wrote "The Metabolic Type Diet" - magnesium makes some metabolic types more acidic, and signs point to me being one of these types.)
But after trying the "Electromix" for a few days, it seemed to be another "FAIL" for me as far as balancing my body's pH. I started to get some familiar symptoms that I get when I'm too "acidic". I looked at the package ingredients - and aside from the alkalizing minerals - it has citric acid , malic acid, tapioca maltodextrin, and "natural flavor". Although (some of) these ingredients may have been added to "balance the pH" - it seems that these ingredients may reverse the alkalizing effects of the electrolytes. Plus drinking the Electromix seemed to have a bloating effect.
Sorry - I realize that you probably didn't need the detailed response (especially about the Electromix). I wanted to express appreciation for your reply, and just started "rambling".
I might break down and try the Concentrace, or I might just resort to putting plain 'ol potassium bicarbonate or potassium chloride in my water.
The term ionized is nothing more than an overused sales tool. As far as water goes it is ionized when you drink it by the reaction of stomach acid on the water.
And alkaline waters are a major NO NO in my book. These waters contain caustic hydroxides, which are not only powerful free radicals, but basic chemistry will tell us that neutralize acids, such as stomach acid. Stomach acid is needed to prevent infections from entering through the digestive tract, to absorb minerals and vitmains, and to digest proteins (the digestive enzyme pepsin cannot work without sufficient stomach acid). Stomach acid levels naturally decline with age leading to aging disorders such as osteoporosis, emphysema, diverticulitis, wrinkles, etc.
There is a very persisitent myth that microbes are killed by alkalinity and fluourish in an acidic environment. Actually most pathogens are killed by acid and thrive in an alkaline environment. This is why we pickel foods to preserve them by creating a hostile acidic environment. It is also why women get yeast infections after taking antibiotics. Antibiotics shift the vaginal pH from the normal acidic nature that controls the yeast to the abnormal alkaline pH that yeast thrives in. Thsi is because the antibiotics kill off the Lactobacillus bacteria that generate lactic and acetic acids to control the growth of pathogens. As another example the bacteria Helicobacter pylori protects itself from the acidic enviroment of the stomach by secreteing ammonia to neutralize the stomach acid. Please do not buy in to the alkalinity cures disease BS. By the way, acid does not cause cancer either, it is the byproduct of the cancer. Anaerobic cells, like cancer cells, ferment glucose generating lactic acid. And many acids actually have strong antitumor properties including some forms of lactic acid, betulinic acid, and ascorbic acid (vitamin C).
Trace minerals are good to add to water, especially if it is reverse osmosis or distilled water, which are highly solvent. These waters will not only remove toxins, but also vitamins and minerals from the body. Yes, water dissolves these. This is how they get in to the body, and how they are excreted from the body. For example the calcium in calcium oxylate kidney stones did not go from the intestines to the kidneys without first being dissolved in water and absorbed in to the bloodstream. Adding trace minerals to the water will help saturate the water reducing its solvency. This will help reduce the leaching of vital nutrients.
Thanks for the informative & thought-provoking reply. Your post is an example of how people seeking to improve their health can be yanked back and forth in opposite directions - by people saying totally opposing, contradictory things. But I guess at least some of this is good...since weighing all points-of-view can prevent a person from going too far in one direction, since nutrition/health is all about balance.
As far as hydroxide being a free radical...are you sure about that? I've read that OH- is actually an ion, which is a different and more stable molecule than a free radical. Although OH- has a negative charge, all of its electrons are paired-up - and free radicals are molecules with an unpaired electron.
My scientific mind is very rusty, and I'm far from an expert - but although I'm skeptical that OH- is a free radical, I am also skeptical about it's so-called antioxidant qualities that the ionized water proponents like to hype. According to something I read (and which makes sense) - free radicals can only be neutralized by other free radicals, not by ions. This is because an unpaired electron more readily teams with another unpaired electron. Well - maybe free radicals CAN "steal" electrons from more stable atom/molecule, but then THAT atom/molecule (the entity from which the free radical steals the electron) becomes a free radical. So if OH- donates an electron to a free radical floating around in the body - OH- becomes a free-radical itself. So the net effect is that the free radicals poisoning your body aren't reduced - other free-radicals are formed as some are neutralized.
Or maybe I'm wrong. Like I said - my scientific reasoning ability is very rusty, to say the least...
As far as whether acidity or alkalinity is better at the bacteria/pathogens at bay - well, it seems to be a complex "balance" (as you explained). All I know is that the bacteria/fungus conditions that I battle personally seem to be worsened/exacerbated by increased body acidity. In general, the more acidic I seem to become - the worse my (scalp) seborrhea (sp.) becomes, and I tend to develop "jock itch" as my acidity goes up. But it's funny: ingesting alkalizing substances seems to improve my seborrhea (as well as other issues), but so does using an apple cider vinegar rinse on my scalp (apple cider vinegar is obviously acidic).
I don't buy in to the alkalinity testing, especially with pH test strips on saliva or urine. I just don't feel that they are anywhere near accurate in determining pH within the body. What a lot of people do not realize is that the body has NUMEROUS ways to maintain proper pH, including breathing.
Saliva pH can be altered by various factors like what you recently ate or drank, and not by what the blood pH is. If you Sugar remaining on your teeth when you take the pH test for example the bacteria in the mouth could be creating the acid from the action on the sugars. Dry mouth also decreases mouth pH.
Urinary pH can also be altered through various mechanisms, and again this does not reflect on blood pH.
The only way to get an accurate blood pH is with a blood test. And even with that it only shows you the pH for that moment.
Thanks for those links - very enlightening. So OH- can be a free radical - but the 2nd link makes clear that it can also be an ion. So which OH- are we getting when we add drops of sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide to our water? My bet is we are getting the ionic form - at least while it's still in the bottle. Is it known that OH- can end up as a free radical once its covalent bond with Na or K is broken, or after it's injested by the body?
So I guess it's best to hold off on the Alkalife pH drops - at least until my knowledge is further refined. It would make it all the more of a rip-off if the Alkalife company is selling tiny $30 bottles of a free-radical forming substance! (I've already said that they are charging a highly-inflated price for the same active ingredient used in drain cleaners and hair-perms. And drain cleaners and hair-relaxing kits are a lot cheaper by the ounce than this "patented" Alkalife bottle...)
The term ionic has been so overused as a sales tool to make things sound more impressive so they can charge more. Even water is ionic when it comes in to contact with stomach acid.
In fact there is a lot of hype out there to help alkaline product sales. For example the claim that salt is acidic. Actually as the sodium chloride is split some of the sodium is converted in to sodium bicarbonate, which is stored by the pancreas and used to buffer the stomach acid and other acids. Some of the chlorine is converted in to our stomach acid (hydrochloric acid).
If people really want to alkalinize why not eat vegetables or consume high mineral content herbs like nettle leaf, alfalfa herb, or seaweeds? The minerals in these will not adversely affect stomach acid, and will buffer acids in the blood while supplying a lot of nutrition.
Beats taking examples of lye (sodium hydroxide) and Drano (potassium hydroxide)that can damage tissues.
The great ignorace is that you can eat a certain plant like Brocolli and that this plant will be high in Calcium or iron. This is only true if those minerals are present in the soil which they are grown in. If they are not in the soil they are not in the plant.
As far as alkalinity goes, I cannot believe that there is even still a debate about it. Otto Warburg knew this in the 1930's when he said all cancer cells are acidic. Dr. Simoncini in Italy uses a Sodium bicarbonate solution to disolve cancer cells because baking soda is so Alkaline. It is ignorant to say that blood pH is what counts. The ph of the blood is the alway regulated by the body it has to be or the body will die, however the pH in the stomach and intestinal tract regulate how foods are digested and more importantly how much of the nutrients we ingest are actually absorbed by the cells. Proper alkalinity is everything. Pathogens in the intestinal tract are always anaerobic, hence acid is their friend. This is why many cancer patients can cure themselves by changing their lifestyle and diets. The more green foods we ingest, the alkaline and more oxygenated we are, the less cancer can grow. This is what Pleomorphic change is all about. Cancer like all parasitic organisms requires an oxygen deficient environment for growth.
Like I said, Otto Warburg only discovered that in the 1930's.
This is very old knowledge. We only choose not to accept it.
Well said Rod and welcome back! Here is a link to the most effective protocol pertaining to pH balancing on Curezone , You may have something to offer us and we may do the same for you, if you are interested! You certainly are a man who speaks from experience!
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Going back further, some people believe Bechamp to be the father of the pH diet although it was not expressed as such...
There was Dr. William H. Schuessler of Germany with his cell salts as well...
>>"This is only true if those minerals are present in the soil which they are grown in. If they are not in the soil they are not in the plant."<<
The minerals are most likely present in the soil, HOWEVER, the mineral/element cycles have been broken due to the use of agricultural chemicals.
"1906 Dr Alzheimer described “ women lost in their own minds.” otherwise Alzheimer’s which had not observed in countries other than Germany until after the adoption of the use of these chemical fertilizers. Most of Europe had adopted these fertilizers before the start of WW2. In 1920, Dr. Otto Warburg had an opportunity to see enough cancer to describe the basis for his Noble Prize work while cancer was less evident in other countries."
These agricultural chemicals also destroy the bacteria which are so very vital for the elemental\mineral cycles both gas and solid.
Without the living matter in the soils, the cycles are broken and the top soil degrades.
In humans, it all comes down to your terrain and whether your terrain supports the bacteria necessary to enable your healthy existence.
Take E. Coli for instance... you would die without it, yet TPTB and the media have frightened most people against it.
The one that gives people problems, Escherichia coli O157:H7, is just 1 of hundreds of varieties of E. Coli.
AND, it will not give people problems if they are otherwise healthy as the other bacteria will prevent it from proliferating.
I would be willing to bet, that most people who have the biggest problems with these things, not only have a poor diet and\or are sick to begin with, but that they also have a pretty long and active history of antibiotic use.
Bacteria are responsible for helping us utilize our foods, they produce complete proteins, essential vitamins, and enzymes in their waste products, etc. etc.
We live in a symbiotic synergy with them. As their host, we give them life, and in turn, they benefit us.
Just as we should not kill these organisms within our bodies, neither should we have ever killed them in the environment.
But then, I suppose, people had no idea they were doing this to begin with when they started using these chemical poisons...
I know this is an old post, but some others may come across it...
I am also trying to figure out how to remineralize my water, I currently drink reverse osmosis water, but know it removes beneficial minerals as well as harmful ones. I would appreciate any furhter useful information or products you may find.
To clarify the difference between ion and free radical:The HYDROXIDE OH- is an ion; the HYDROXYL OH. is a free radical. Ions are formed easily and naturally when salts are dissolved in water; they are stable and exist in a dissociated state in solution.(i.e. the positive and negative ion(s) that make up a salt separate in solution) The only way to form a free radical is to have an electron "stolen" by another free radical, which results in a very unstable molecule that tries very hard to replenish its electron to get back to its ionic state. So, in short, any drops you may add to your water will be ions, not free radicals.
Hi Iconoclast --
It's been almost year since your post -- did you figure out how best to bring up the pH of RO water? I have the same problem -- my RO water is 5.7 and I'd like to bring it up to at least 6.5. ConcenTrace drops require such a large dose to make this jump that I don't digest food well when drinking it, so I am stumped about what to do next. I've been advised that RO water is "dead" water and that I should just drink bottled spring water. Not what I want to hear after the investment I've made in softening and cleaning my well water! I'm not a chemist so don't have a good answer to this one. Do you?
According to http://www.trace-mineral-drops.com/ liquid trace minerals are best when they are covalent traceminerals and not ionic trace minerals. Ionic trace minerals are rocks dissolved in sea water. Since we don't normally eat rocks, does it make much sense to drink dissolved rocks?
Plant derived minerals, also know as fulvic acid or humic acid, come from ancient plant deposits that have purified water dripped through them. the result is colloidal minerals that are much easier for the body to digest.
Plants absorb ionic minerals from the soil and change their chemical structure into covalent chemical bonds. Since the body is used to getting minerals from veggies and fruits, it only makes sense that you'd want to take traceminerals that are also plant-derived.
I recently discovered the water I was drinking was purified with no minerals. I've been drinking the water the last 3 years with increasing worse health issues. I began to have significant issues with constipation as well.
Recently, I switched to FIJI and Nestle PURE Life water and within days my issues with constipation disappeared and I had a little more energy.
So, I thought why not add more minerals. I bought the attached mineral electrolyte supplement. As you can see, doses are crazy by any means. Still, within 5 minutes of taking a dose I'm running to the bathroom with crazy diarrhea. Could these be where the purified water was leaching the minerals from my body for so long they aren't used to anything?
I have some great conversations here and there with Charles Hakala owner of Hakala Labs here in Colorado. They test for Iodine, Bromide, Fluoride and Serum/Saliva Iodine ratio testing. Recently he purchase a mass spectrometer and is fiddling with it to do some other testing and is in the process of learning to use and get clear what all of what he wants to use it for. He is part of Iodine Project and was involved with helping Abraham formulate Iodoral. I believe he has contact here and there with Abraham, Flechas and Brownstein.
We talked about a month ago and he mentioned dosing himself with boron in the 25mg range daily and he did pre and post urine checking on fluoride. He wanted to see if boron increase his body's output of fluoride.
I sent him GinaGirl's consolidated post on boron/borax and here is his reply:
Thanks for the info. Although one of the posts says that borax is 11% boron, incorrect its approx 2.837% (molecular wt of borax is 381, boron is 10.81 so 10.81/381= 2.837%)
therefore one teaspoonful is approx 140mg or boron.
I tried 150mg of boron and found no increase in fluoride excretion. Would you mind seeing if any of your contacts can supply the method to support the statement that boron increases fluoride excretion.
Although I found no increase with fluoride it does kick out a bunch of other nasty stuff.
"The submitted dossier refers to borax (disodium tetraborate decahydrate, Na2 B4 O7·10 H2O,
CAS No. 1303-96-4, molecular weight: 381.4) of the quality standard in the European Pharmacopoeia (3). In order to calculate the boron equivalents of a borax dose, a boron content
of 11.34% is assumed because of the stoichiometric preconditions in the case of borax." http://www.bfr.bund.de/cm/349/addition_of_boric_acid_or_borax_to_food_supplem...
- anyway, interesting to hear about the nasty stuff.
According to Olree boron are the calcium helper and for the metabolism of magnesium, calcium and phosphorus.
Also from Olree; aluminium inhibits boron,with one aluminium molecule knocking out three boron molecules.
These are clues, I believe, to why boron work so well, but of course; this is not rocket science.
A good read; http://www.greenfacts.org/en/boron/boron-greenfacts-level2.pdf
The wiki text is clear that Borax is nearly all Boric Acid, he should have known that..
The text also says that AFTER reacting we get ~11% boron. Now in my posts I have pointed out that this is not a very good form of Boron. This is however not as important as understanding that Borax is Boric Acid so it tends to react faster with ionizing radiation then anything else.
Pure BOric Acid is used to stop the reaction of nuclear rods to make it possible to transport the stuff safely.
>>therefore one teaspoonful is approx 140mg or boron
Huh? Typo, brain scramble?
>>I tried 150mg of boron
Huh? Save dosage is 20 mg per day, whats up?
Doses up to 18 mg of boron daily appear to be safe for adults even if taken for prolonged periods of time. This is double the dose of even the most liberal amounts suggested by advocates of boron use. There is also no evidence to suggest that boron is either carcinogenic or mutagenic.
In 1904, human volunteers consuming greater than 500 mg of boric acid daily (this is equivalent to about 180 mg of elemental boron) showed symptoms of poor appetite and digestive problems. Symptoms of acute toxicity typically include nausea, diarrhea and abdominal cramps.
Borax is Boric Acid which needs to react to become Boron. There are many reasons why this Boron is not as good as some of the others but the most important is that ONLY Boron in Asparatate form is guaranteed to make it into [and back out of] the brain intact.
Both to absorb Fluoride as well as 90x its molecular weight in radiation..
it sounded to me like there was some time between these publications. i heard hakala saying he was going to check it out with a small sampling and then he tells you he didnt get any fluoride but other nasty stuff. sounds like he was his only volunteer. hard to tell what to make of it all. if he has been on Iodine for many years he may not have any fluoride to easily reach.
be sure and tell him what newport said about boron aspartate and getting in and out of the brain.
I do wonder about the intentions of people that try to discredit Iodine supplementation, and copy and paste links to ridiculous, uninformed websites and post articles with "shocking" titles. Really makes me wonder what the true intentions are.
Did Charles hakala test with boron, or borax? I read somewhere that the correct form of boron is in borax as ionic boron, and that chelates boron is bound too tightly to be separated and will not bind with fluoride. I've also read that the borax is converted to boric acid by stomach acid and that boric acid bonds with fluorine to form fluoborate. I read that on earth clinic. I would also really like to know if borax really works I wish someone would analyze urine after ingestion to check for boron fluoride compounds
It depends on if the DE has been purified or not. Purified DE has been pre-treated with acids to remove the metal oxides from the product. Then it is washed and dried leaving behind pretty much pure silica.
I am not too happy with this Al content, I didn't research any analysis before purchasing, I only listened to people who had beneficial results from taking DE. I feel that 1100 parts per million is way too high to ignore. If water had that much it would be considered too toxic to drink. The amount of silicon is miniscule compared to the aluminum and that is why I bought it--for the silica! Live and learn..now I have this huge 10 pound jar of the stuff. The cats eat it up mixed into their food, the dog won't.
Three separate samplings and analyses of PermaGuard's Diatomaceous earth, compared with another brand available on the market for human consumption, indicates that the PermaGuard material has significantly fewer toxic minerals. These analyses were performed by extracting the diatomaceous earth with concentrated sulfuric or nitric acid for extended periods of time and analyzing the acidic extracts. The elements so removed are considered to be at far higher concentrations than the level of toxins that could be extracted by the much more dilute acid found in our stomachs. Note that only the aluminum in PermaGuard exceeds that of Brand X.
This amount of aluminum is of minimal concern for several reasons. First, the amounts determined are only a small fraction of the aluminum that one normally encounters in ones diet. Secondly, concerns about aluminum in antiperspirants seems to be secondary to poisonings with other metals such as nickel. In the authors case, DEtoxing to remove nickel poisoning caused his "allergies to antiperspirants" to go away. Thus, antiperspirants probably prevent the lymphatics and sweat glands from getting rid of metals and other toxins, essentially bottling these up inside of our skin and bodies.
The author also noted an increase in aluminum in his hair analysis while DEtoxing with PermaGuard's product. It is thought that since nickel ions are slightly larger than magnesium ions and aluminum ions are slightly smaller, that nickel and aluminum may have been deposited in his bones instead of magnesium. Stress fractures and tears in the articulation of tendons and ligaments with his bones could have accounted for the arthritic-like pains the author was experiencing. As the nickel was pulled out during the DEtox, it is thought that magnesium was then able to displace the aluminum, and the author has noted a continuing improvement in the strength and function of his joints as the aluminum seems to be dumping out of his system in his hair analysis. His knees do not even pop anymore, even when doing deep knee squats and holding a 150 to 200 lb. person in his arms (NOT RECOMMENDED).
So what do you guys and gals at Curezone think about this?
I have recently learned about DE. EarthWorks Health copied the Perma Gaurd analysis Chem lab part and left out the analysis information, so I contacted Galen D Knight at Vitale Theraputics, Inc. He linked me up to the full analysis report. He stated DE basically picked up toxins in the body and removed them, that being the DE-tox part. The removal of toxins alows the body to do its thing better. (My interpretation of his words.) The aluminum found in the hair is how the body is removing it.
Have you stopped using aluminum products? Deoderants, food or drinks stored in aluminum and pots, pans, and etc.?
I was more interested in the product for its pest control. Being non toxic to both pets and humans. My animals to not show signs of flea, ticks, mites problems, but I am getting bit by something. I figured I could "dust" my rugs, bed, linens and my pets to get rid of the "no-see-ums."
EarthWorks Health has the best price I have seen for DE. I am not sure about the sanitary conditions it is packaged under. In 2005 the FDA sent Custom Feed Services Corporation (the mother company) a warning letter on documentation and cleanliness of the facility. At present I am waiting for a call back from the FDA for more information.
If I am only going to use the DE product for pest control, I would have not problem purchasing from EarthWorks Health. I have e-mailed and called EarhtWorks Health and waiting for contact.
So have you used the DE? For how long? If you were enemic it would take approximately six months on iron supplements to bring iron and feritin levels back to normal.
I dusted some on my cat and dog and put some in their food,
I took 3 days myself in a row until I discovered the 1100 ppm of Al from the analysis sheet...
The tapwater here contains 436 pm or even a little more (it changes) of solids, flouride being less than 1 ppm. If the water had 1100 ppm of anything it, that would be scary.
I have heard good reports of people using DE but as we know, one cannot feel aluminum building up in the body or brain!
I have this huge massive jar of the stuff, I may as well use it now and then to get a better "feel" for it...
it does seem to work very well on the animals to stop the fleas and itching.
I mean, does it seem gullible to believe that something that contains a high amount of aluminum is producing high amounts of aluminum in the hair because it is actually removing it from the body, not because it is being consumed?
It seems a little far fetched, but I am open to this being true, the research continues!
How bioavailable is this AL actually? I understand that a similar product, Zeolite, also has a higher AL content, but the body can not absorb it in that form and no negative impact have been found in studies.....
I don't know...I am not using the DE anymore. I am going to put it directly into the trashcan.
1100 ppm of Al is not healthy for me or my beloved pets. People selling thier products will tell you otherwise.
I consulted a couple biologists and chemical bioligists at work, they all made a face or an uh-oh expression at that amount of aluminum in something that would be intended for consuming, and none of them said they'd take it themselves,
Silica is found in many other sources, this just isn't for me.
Maybe I will save it to pour on ants or something.
Live and learn!
I did find I was very very tired after the few days of taking it, reminded me of when I was anemic.
This amount of aluminum is of minimal concern for several reasons. First, the amounts determined are only a small fraction of the aluminum that one normally encounters in ones diet. Secondly, concerns about aluminum in antiperspirants seems to be secondary to poisonings with other metals such as nickel. In the authors case, DEtoxing to remove nickel poisoning caused his "allergies to antiperspirants" to go away. Thus, antiperspirants probably prevent the lymphatics and sweat glands from getting rid of metals and other toxins, essentially bottling these up inside of our skin and bodies.
The author also noted an increase in aluminum in his hair analysis while DEtoxing with PermaGuard's product. It is thought that since nickel ions are slightly larger than magnesium ions and aluminum ions are slightly smaller, that nickel and aluminum may have been deposited in his bones instead of magnesium. Stress fractures and tears in the articulation of tendons and ligaments with his bones could have accounted for the arthritic-like pains the author was experiencing. As the nickel was pulled out during the DEtox, it is thought that magnesium was then able to displace the aluminum, and the author has noted a continuing improvement in the strength and function of his joints as the aluminum seems to be dumping out of his system in his hair analysis. His knees do not even pop anymore, even when doing deep knee squats and holding a 150 to 200 lb. person in his arms (NOT RECOMMEND).
Further analysis of the Perma-Guard's product in a MALDI mass spectrometer with...
....show that there are virtually none of the potential toxins identified supra available on the surface of this particular diatomaceous earth, the UV laser being unable to blast anything loose from the surface. This means that the diatomaceous earth surface coming in contact with the body is extremely clean, even lowering the background in the mass spectrometer in many instances.
I can see that Earthypowder's post is over 6 years old and that he is, or is quoting verbatim, Dr. Galen Daryl Knight's (VitaleTherapeutics, Inc.), response to the heavy metal content in DE. That writer is very familiar with Diatomaceous Earth/DE, has a PhD, and he's smart. However, I'm new to DE and this site, only have an AA in office administration, and confused about long-term affects of DE.
I want to find out more about the heavy metal issue regarding DE. I read the above explanation several times but still don't really understand what makes it safe. My life experiences do not include a lot of background information and understanding of health-related issues. I don't have a clue what DE MALDI, DE Neat, DHB Blank or any other related chart that he mentioned means.
Do I understand him correctly? That during testing, DE with it's bad heavy metals is subjected to high acid content, higher than the stomach's, and then blasted in a way to try to remove the Al from the DE? And even then, it does not separate from the DE? Therefore, it cannot digest and therefore, no Aluminum can remain in the body?
Again, I am missing some background in order to understand this. I thought the reason metal stays in our bodies is because we cannot digest it and it therefore lodges inside of us forever ????? Is he saying the opposite?..... that it won't stay in our bodies because we cannot digest it?
Also, he mentions hair analysis. I need more background info here too. Just recently, I read somewhere that hair is like a sponge and it detoxifies us in some way - that it's part of the filtering system, along with the liver (?). That was news to me! Is this true? If so, what he's saying about that portion would make sense.
Most people looking for an answer to their health problems don't have his background. They're toxic/sick in one way or another. Thus keeping them confused and overwhelmed easily. (YES, I AM TALKING ABOUT MYSELF.) So what seems easy to comprehend to him may be over someone else's head due to their lack of education or because they're being effected by bacteria, viruses, metals, parasites, etc. Like me, they may be too afraid to try the solution because they're missing basic information; too concerned about doing fatal harm through it because, after all, it defies common sense. How something can have Aluminum in it but at the same time, free you from it through drinking it. Additionally, the long list of claims seem "too good to be true," even though I desperately want them to be true.
This is where I'm at. The last thing I need is to give myself another health problem.... I know there must be others in this situation.
DE has been consumed for many years now - the offered, referenced lab report is from 1999 after all! Where are case studies done since then?
Anybody? Please clarify if you truly understand how consuming DE can leave you better off regarding heavy metals? Do you have any test results to share?
Is there anyone else out there wondering the same things?
When a metals analysis is made, heavy duty acids are used. To effect solubulization of silica, hydroflouric acid is used, as well as possibly nitric, sulfuric, and hydrochloric acids.
In contrast, I have read that our stomach contains 0.1M HCl(plus enzymes), which aren't terribly efficient where silica is concerned. (My background is in digestion and analysis of samples for metals analysis, among other environmental concerns.) I have MTHFR mutations(deals with processing of heavy metals, among a million other things), and I will follow this discussion with interest. I have noticed NO ill effects from using DE, myself.
I think the concern is unwarranted because the material will pass out mostly undigested.
So I was having a lot of luck with my copper detox (from an IUD I had taken out in October) a month ago. I was taking high-dose zinc, some molybdenum, magnesium, occasional b-vitamins, and avoiding copper-rich foods. My symptoms disappeared and I felt and looked much healthier! The only thing that wasn't better was my constipation, but it was slowly improving. I decided to take Super Cleanse (Nature's Secret) to speed things up; I thought a Colon Cleanse like this would help detox, too.
However, I started to notice my symptoms (aches, jaw tightness/TMJ, insomnia, hair fall and brittleness, dry skin and lips, breakouts on face and back, anxiety, paranoia, and so on) slowly creeping back. A few days later I realized it was the Super Cleanse and stopped taking it. Things kept getting worse and for the past week and a half I have been trying lots of things to get back on track, but nothing has helped--b vitamins every day, more zinc, regular magnesium, really good/sulfur-rich diet, carrot juice, enemas, coffee enemas, more molybdenum, drinking ample amounts (3+L) of spring water, sleeping plenty... all the things that helped before and then some.
Could this be a calcium shell? If it were more copper coming out of storage than I could handle, it seems like it would be getting better, but I have plateaued and it is really frustrating. Any thoughts/advice?
Glad to hear you got some improvement from the copper problem.
In the heavy metal--HM-- detox groups we sometimes hear reports of people being sensitive to foods and supplements containing thiol--SH-- groups.
The SH group mobilizes heavy metals such as mercury. However many such as the cysteine in chlorella are not so good a holding onto HMs. This gives the HMs an opportunity to find even more vulnerable parts of the body where they hold on rather tightly, for example brain and organs related to the stress response system.
Unfortunately bouncing back from such an incident can take many months. A close friend had such an incident with lipoic acid, even though it has two SH groups to better grab onto HMs.
I don't know that mobilization of HMs was the cause of your problem but I would not be surprised if it is. The symptom list fits reasonably well.
Thank you so very much for the reply. You seem very knowledgeable. I actually wondered if the chlorella was part of the problem, since I believe I have some mercury tucked away in storage too.
It doesn't seem like thiols are much of a problem for me since I can handle most high-thiol foods quite well. I have also been taking molybdenum which is supposed to help the liver metabolize them.
Fortunately, I decided to try a milk thistle supplement, which is helping dramatically. I am experiencing detox symptoms like headaches and muscle cramps, but I take it these will go away in time. My other symptoms, however, have resolved. Do you have any idea why this could be?
Thank you for the link, too. There seems to be a lot of valuable information there.
Constipation is a common symptom of copper detox. A powerful enzyme helps a lot, especially if it has ox bile. Ultrazyme Plus by Silver Water is very helpful. Are you detoxing on your own? Consider a hair analysis test, it can help you get the metals and essential minerals into balance together. Sounds like you are detoxing very fast with both zinc and Mg. That causes more symptoms.