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Hi, I have not posted on CZ in a long time, but I need some advice.
I have a rather large lumpy area in my right breast on the outer side. It feel like it's part of the milk duct area or very near to it.
I understand that many pre-menopausal women get polycystic breasts, so I'm thinking this may be my issue, though I realize it's less common to have that condition in just one breast. Breast Cancer is a possibility as well, though this mass is rather moveable and somewhat sore, and I've read that Breast Cancer tends to be hard, stationary, and painless (?).
In either case, I'm thinking Iodine would help. I've never been able to tolerate it well, but having this large mass in my breast is a little upsetting, and I'm terrified of going to a doctor with this problem (they would probably kill me with their treatments, even if it turned out to be only a cyst), so I thought I'd try Iodine again.
Can anyone remind me of how much to take per day and what the extra supplements are? I think it's 50 mg/day? I have a lot of Lugols here so I can start right away.
I have been reading alot of messages on this forum (and the internet) and thought that'd might have been enough to help myself out. I hope maybe someone can help me out here, since the doctor doesn't give me the closure I need.
For quite some time I had this weird feeling in my throat (as if it got stuck or had some plehgm in it). There is one thing I want to rule out and that's the following (just want to know what it might be): alot of the time (during the day) my throat feels full/stuck and I also hear noise/air escaping and making this rattle like noise. It's just so scary (first I told myself it might just be something in my head).
After some time, I started reading stuff and eventually it led me to Iodine and other supplements. I took nascent Iodine the first couple of weeks and I had alot of mucus coming up (I never had this before), it took me like 2-3 weeks to get the mucus out (wasn't sick during the time).
Some time after that I bought iodoral (12.5 mg) and started using that. No problems so far (as in everything was the same as before). I decided to take iodine and get some blood tests too, I gradually built it up to 50mg a day (until the blood test) and afterwards I used 12.5mg every 2 days (just to be sure). Today (4 weeks later) I got my blood test results. My TSH level is 7.5 pmol/l whereas it should be between 0.3 - 4.2
Now I'm not really concerned but it's because I have this insane stuck feeling in my throat for quite some time now, and since 2 weeks, it's very very annoying (the feeling in the throat is very heavy, preventing me from sleeping sometimes).
I had a heavy flu/cold that lasted me 2 weeks and I am feeling much better since last thursday, but I still am not 100% optimal (just want to point this out too.)
The most annoying this is that I feel somewhat spacey and can't really focus my eyes on something. I still feel tired sometimes, from day to day. Like sometimes I have this pressure behind my nose-eye area, and the next day I don't.
The optician did some tests and looked at my eyes and told me everything was fine (he said that one of the eyes went down -0.25 but that's it).
BTW: I naturally have some floaters in my eyes (dunno if that's important to tell)
I did some eyepressure test while taking the 50 mg doses back then, it was at 12.
Yesterday I did another eyepressure test (after 2 weeks of 12.5mg every 2 days) and it was 15 in both eyes. Got to another store and it was like 18 in one eye and 13 in the other (so the test is somewhat unreliable but still it's higher then normal)
I also drank like 2-3 tablespoons of ACV (diluted it ofcourse) and I had some eyelid twitches in my left eye. I stopped drinking it so much (maybe it has effect on potassium levels?). It gradually got less, as I got my potassium levels back up by supplementing it.
Long story short, I have all sorts of things. If it's too vague, ask me and I'll try to explain but I really need help on this since it's scaring the sh.t out of me.
I use all sorts of supplements, some since like since 2-3 months) (well below the maximum daily intake):
since 2-3 months:
Magnesium: 400-500 mg a day
Cod Liver oil with vitamin A (3021 IE): 901 ug
and vitamin D (also from the cod liver): 25 ug (1000 ie)
Vitamin C: 1000 mg every other day
Iodoral: 12.5mg (every other day), and first month like 50 mg every day (with selenium approx 250 ug daily)
Niacin: 50 mg every other day
Zinc picolinate: 22mg
Vitamin k2 (mk7): 400 mcg since 7-9 days
Salt pushes from time to time
Basically I want to have some clarification on the following (if possible):
1) The stuck feeling in the throat with noise/air escaping from it.
2) The spacey feeling and not being able to focus/see well.
3) Sometimes whenever I sleep, I feel this insane pressure on my stomach/like as if it's almost hurting (could it be that this happens because one sleeps on his back???)
Ty so much in advance, like I really can't say how thankful I am for helping me out here. It means alot to me!
If you are expecting Logol's or Iodoral to give your body the necessary Iodine part of the formula (iodine/potassium iodide), then you probably don't want to mix the Lugol's solution in orange juice or take vitamin C at the same time as any iodine.
Chem lab experiments show that:
"The vitamin C chemical gives an electron to each of the Iodine atoms to form the Iodide ion with a negative charge. This then shows that the Iodide ion is colorless in water solution even in the presence of the starch. This reaction changes the form of the iodine element to the iodide ions."
Did you get that? The iodine becomes a new form, iodide. You loose the benefit of iodine properties. That's ok if you only need the iodide.
The rest of the experiment will turn the iodide back to iodine; but you probably won't want or need to do this. Certainly not for consumption.
"Bleach, which contains sodium hypochlorite, removes the electrons from the iodide ion to reform the iodine element and shows the colors of the iodine element again, even if quite briefly. In the meantime, the Vitamin C is still reactive in giving electrons back to the iodine to make the colorless iodide ions.
The bleach removes the electrons from the ion form of iodine and the vitamin C gives electrons to the element form of the iodine."
The lab test certainly is not using orange juice; but why take the chance?
So, it is good, if you want to kill the taste of iodine by mixing it with vitamin C. However, remember the experiment above; and:
"The iodine is reduced to iodide, and the vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is
oxidized to dehydroascorbic acid. Iodide is an essential mineral, and
dehydroascorbic acid is just as effective as a vitamin as the ascorbic acid
Richard E. Barrans Jr., Ph.D.
Director of Academic Programs
PG Research Foundation, Darien, Illinois"
It depends on the type of orange juice you are using. Fresh OJ would provide plenty of Vit. C to interact with the Lugols. Frozen OJ becomes questionable as to how much Vit. C is really in it. First, the OJ in frozen OJ has been heat processed to prevent spoilage. Heat destroys Vit. C. Then, the longer it is frozen, what Vit. C is in it gradually declines, and again, the same for when you mix it with water. The longer that pitcher of OJ sits in your refrig, the less Vit. C it has in it. They can put on the label the amount of Vit. C that was in the original fresh OJ (prior to processing), but what you really get at the end of the consumer line is another story. Since I dilute my OJ twice as much as the can calls for, the Lugols darkens it a tad. That tells me there isn't enough Vit. C. in it to knock out all the iodine. I also use other juices purchased from the health food store and have noticed the the Lugols changes/darkens that juice as well.
there is a principle that i preach constantly which is teach your body to like what is good for it. all the processed food has taken this ability from us. so if i KNOW something is good for me, i make myself taste it and imprint my brain that this is good. i take a lot of Lugols in water for this reason. one can do a lot in a little water and chase it with more water or take a little Lugols in a lot of water and chug-a-lug. one could even spike a quart of water a day and sip it throughout the day.
If vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is what is giving the Iodine molecule the negatively charged ion, then isn't it the acid part of the vit. C molecule that is doing this? And if so, then can't stomach acid, or any acid for that matter, do the same thing? So don't ALL forms of Iodine ingested become Iodide ions once they hit the stomach?
I am unable to find the list of body parts that either Iodine or Iodide help. I remember that Iodine is found to be stored in breast tissue and that it is the iodine that is the major contributor to the alleviation of FBD. This is why I posted the original statement. Women especially should think about taking vitamin C apart from taking iodine. I kind of remember that the prostate is helped by iodide. Anyway, if iodine is found in the breast tissue and the thyroid, then iodine must survive any conversion by digestive acids.
Actually, what happens is the organs which require Iodine undergo a process called "organification," where enzymes make Iodine from iodide. The breast tissue is one of these organs which do this. Iodine does not occur anywhere in nature in any food source. All ingestible forms of iodine are in the Iodide form. The enzyme which accomplishes this organification in the thyroid gland is called thyroid peroxidase and the one in breast tissue is lactoperoxidase.
Thank you. This means I could just get potassium iodide, when I run out of Lugol's. I don't think that will be controlled by the DEA. I don't have breasts anyway. All other organs will benefit from both forms anyway. Right?
I wonder why Drs. Abraham, Brownstien, and Fleshas thought they had to use elemental Iodine in their tests. SSKI should have worked. Right?
Generally it's the oxidation caused by Iodine that can make it stressful to tolerate beyond a certain individual amount. When taking Iodoral, I always needed extra amounts of Iodide in the form of SSKI . This seemed to smooth the process. Just continue taking Iodine with Vitamin C. Your health will benefit from it.
New to this forum, need some advice please!
I was very low on urine Iodine test with HIGH Bromide levels. My TSH was high, T4 low and sex hormones low too. So I started supplementing with Iodoral, and made it to 50mgs/day. After about 1 week I had some Bromide detox symptoms... After about 6wks I felt started to feel crazy warm at night and anxiety started to creep in too. My periods were also about two weeks late twice in a row and darker with clotting (I have always been VERY regular). Eventually I started having panic attacks. So I stopped the iodine, got my neurotransmitters checked (neuro Science labs) and my thyroid and sex hormones again.
All the hormones were now in range. My transmitters were off (high cortisol at night...)and so I guess adrenals fatigued too.
I started regulating neurotransmitters and things are very chill now.
So after about two months off of Iodine I started back at 12.5mgs Iodoral. After two weeks the the heat at night is creeping back in and my periods are late again and start super slow with minute spotting. Should I lower the dose...?
Yes, I make brazil nut milk (high in selenium) and drink it everyday, and took/take all the co supplements... Thanks for the responce! I figured I should just listen to my body, but thought I'd check in with other experienced folks.
If you're using Iodine in some form, the result simply reflects that. The range usually reflects the mineral level that most people who are tested have. If no one taking Iodine gets tested, then the range for iodine will be quite low. Someone taking iodine who then gets tested after the range is set will look like they're overdosing iodine. This problem also exists for blood test result ranges.
We were watching the movie "Annie" and saw an advertisement for Iodent Toothpaste. Took me all night but I am going to try to copy and paste this article post for sale on ebay. It is for toothpaste with potassium iodide. They also made a cough drop for which I can not find that they ever used potassium iodide.
Here's an interesting journal article from 1932. The authors had measured the surface tension of 14 popular toothpastes--the article lists the ingredients of each toothpaste tested. Iodent was the only one that contained iodides.
Thanks! and Wow! I did so much searching yesterday and did not uncover what you did. Thanks for the info. Makes me wonder why they stopped. I remember (about 1982) my 70 year old ear, nose and throat doc swabbing my mouth and throat with Iodine after I got strep throat from swimming at a nearby late. I also had a huge mucus build up and suddenly the mucus starting coming up to the point that I felt like I was throwing it up. He did put me on antibiotics but the swabbing really helped. I am trying to re-create my own swab technique.
It's all about the marketing. If you notice, even the genesis of the research covered in the journal article had to do with how companies were marketing their toothpastes. At the time, the Iodine swabbing by the dentists would have been familiar to people. As that fell out of favor, it was probably on to "newer" and "better" toothpastes that could be marketed to people.
I worked for Iodent briefly in 1964 at their HQ in downtown Detroit. I was given a tube of Iodent no. 3 and Iodent no. 4 - both tubes releasing "free iodine" while you brush. Manufacture of #'s 3 and 4 ceased in 1930 but no. 3 was in a yellow tube and no. 4 was in a green tube.
Difficult to see from the picture; but it could be small sebaceous cysts. Skin doctors are actually quite good at diagnosing these things. Easily removed with their gadgets, little to no scar afterwards.
Other skin tags / moles can be removed by applying Lugols over and over again; in time it will be gone. But it does not work for sebaceous cysts in my experience. the keratin / fatty substance in the middle of it, is too tough even for lugols.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. The problem is the texture of the skin. It looks and feels like leather. I don't know how to describe it, but on skin on other parts of my face and body, there aren't any lines all over like it is on my forehead. The pimple was just incidental. It happened to be there on my forehead when I was taking the picture. I hope the way I'm describing my problem properly and I appreciate your help!
It sort of looks like keratosis pilaris (sp?) but not as dry. you said it feels like leather though? i don't think KP typically affects the forehead, but who knows. my youngest daughter had it on the backs of her arms and legs. it's mainly a diet thing and you have to really be strict... olive and coconut oil only - not even a bite of something that has soybean oil. it's more than that.. but i don't want to be too o/t and go into a huge thing about it.
brown Sugar + coconut oil + raw honey made into a scrub (use lots of sugar, it should be grainy) twice a week should help. do your whole body if you'd like.. it's amazing..
with coconut oil applied afterwards and daily... and a toner that's 50/50 apple cider vinegar and distilled water daily.
the brown Sugar + oil creates a natural alpha hydroxy acid. it's good stuff.
in my experience, putting Iodine on dry skin (if that's what you're asking about) doesn't do much for it.
Well, you haven't yet got it tattooed, which is a good thing. I don't know, you have me baffled, all I can think of is that you have either an allergic reaction going on, or some chemical you were exposed to at some point is responsible for making your skin growth there to become altered in its morphology. Or you're one of those reptilians. Ok, I've gone overboard on that maybe and I apologize if the rolling eyes and smile weren't visible. All kidding aside, I'd almost bet that its some kind of allergy to household or other chemicals that's been going on a long while. Think of what products you've used for a long time, and try substituting a competitor's product, for like a month in each case. Or, do a massive changeout of all chemical-laden household products. Then again, what the H do I know about anything ?
I am having something similar happening after retin a use...did you ever resolve it?
It freaking me out to be honest..I see similar damage from lasers and harsh chemical exfoliants/peels..long term use of BP might also have a similar effect
I hope that someone can provide some guidance. I am on 75 mcg Synthroid and 10 mcg Cytomel. I have been feeling cold with some chills lately even in very warm Southern California conditions. Morning temp was 97.5 My labs are low normal, but I would like to try the Iodine before raising the meds.
I have been on 3 mg. Idorol and after 4 days raised it to 6 mg. At 6 mg. I am feeling like my skin is a bit hot and I have a strange sensation in my throat. I am feeling a bit hyper, energy has increased a lot and my mind feels clearer. Perhaps I should have increased more gradually. Should I lower back to 3 mg? Is this normal?
How long have you been on the prescriptions?
How old are you?
Does your doctor know what you are doing?
Does the warm sensation make you comfortable or uncomfortable?
Are you experiencing an uncomfortable anxiety-type of hyper or a productive (finally feel like getting up and doing something) type of hyper?
I would be very careful about mixing prescriptions with iodine.
You could make yourself go hyper.
Then they will want to take your thyroid gland out.
And you will likely let them because you took the synthroid.
I think you should stop taking Iodine if you are under a doctor's care and you are having problems with it because the Iodine will be blamed and the government will feel obligated to ban it, and then everybody who has been using it successfully will have to start taking synthroid. JMHO.
Hi thanks for your reply. I have been on thyroid meds for about 10 years. I started with Armour and became allergic to perhaps a filler in it. I am 56.
The reason that I wanted to go on Iodine because I was feeling cold and I have problems with my muscles especially after exercise. I thought I had fibro or chronic fatique syndrome-but have never been diagnosed.
My skin felt hot on the Iodine in comparison to how cold I felt before. It almost felt a bit itchy. My mind felt super clear, like the brain fog was gone. I actually thought I wanted to start taking piano lessons again. The problem may be that I may have been doing too much too soon. I lowered the iodine and don't have the same feeling in my skin or throat today. I am doing 1.5 gm today. I would like to lower my medications eventually. That would be my goal.
I came across an article on "Stop the Thyroid Madness" that talks about taking too much Iodine too soon. This Dr. mentions that you have to build up to it a little. If you suspect you have adrenal fatigue, the supplement can be hard on the adrenals. He recommends taking the supplements in the Iodine Protocol- ATP CoFactors and Niacin and Riboflavin. Here is the article below:
Yes I have always found it easier to control the dose with tinctures. Trapper might have a liquid that is equivalent to iodoral. Then you could just put one drop in some orange juice. Or you could buy Lugols.
Trapper does sell excellent Lugols Iodine, and SSKI . I have used his Iodine myself & I give it top ratings. I have also used 400mg daily of his SSKI to treat my chronic lung problems, with excellent success.
I am using 400mg of SSKI which is 2 full droppers squeezes in a glass of water.
Prior to WWII doctors prescribed up to 1.8 grams of SSKI for lung problems. However the 400mg dosage is all that I need when I have breathing problems. In those days, doctors prescribed SSKI as PIMA Syrup to get more money.
I credit Trapper for getting me started on SSKI for my lung problems. Trapper also sells the best SSKI.
For asthma, my new recommendations are to nebulize Colloidal Silver and inhale it for 15 minutes at least once per day or as required when your lungs start acting up. Get the Ionic Silver variety, or make your own at home with a generator.
Always grateful for this forum. Sort of on the post from pamshoes (I have similar conditions plus), when taking Improved Miracle Adrenal Mix as per Trapper's recipe, how much potassium does one get from the 5ml Potassium Chloride? Do I need to supplement even more additional Potassium on top of that? How does one supplement with the Potassium Chloride powder to get to 4,700mg I saw indicated in an earlier post somewhere? Thank you.
Can I get potassium chloride from lab supply websites to use for human consumption? I'm trying to get the best deal I can. And why do their MSDS's say their potassium chloride is hell on wheels dangerous? Is it the same as what people ingest? Wondering.
If it's the danger you're wondering about, it might depend on how your body handles the chloride part. In my case, it raises my stomach acid so high that I have burning pain. I believe one of the reasons that sustained-release potassium chloride was developed was to help avoid ulcerating the stomach lining. Everybody's different, though, and some might welcome extra stomach acid. Basic directions for taking it include drinking plenty of water with it and taking it with food.
Yeah I want more stomach acid. The part about the dosage that's tricky is also that I have adrenal fatigue symptoms (a lot of people with Iodine deficiencies do) and we are also advised to supplement with NaCI (sodium chloride, aka salt, ideally himalayan or something), and ideally there is supposed to be some sort of ratio of NaCI/K (salt to potassium).
I think Trapper ended up saying something like "My dosage switches, my body now tells me which one I should have, your body speaks and you can listen and that can be trained" or something like that which I'm inclined to agree with but not exactly the simplest thing for someone new to figure out.
Since i have to pay like 40 Euros for 2 2oz Bottles of 2% Lugols (incl. Shipping from the US to germany ... And 58 Euros for 90 pills of iodoral 50 mg..... I went back to iodoral...at least for the next 3 months. And see how it goes...
In the past i ve already been wondering (also made a post about it) how Lugols affects the stomach mucosa....
Now i wonder how Iodoral affects the intestine lining since its absorbed further down and not in the stomach as lugols is....
My thoughts : I took 50 mg worth Lugols together with a big glass of water first thing in the morning along with some ACV to make the Lugols less alkaline. This way it was obviously pretty diluted.
But when i take Iodoral... The water i take it with will be absorbed in the stomach ? And the pill iteslf will slide into the small intestines and then start to be absorbed? But it will be PURE there... I mean alone... Nothing to dillute it.. I hope i make sense.
I wonder with which speed it slides through the intestines and how the effect of PURE iodoral is on the lining of the intestines is. Oxidative wise.
Whats ur thoughts on that?
If i play this in my mind i come to the conclusion that Lugols dilluted with water is less agressive than iodoral ? Or does my thinking not make sense and lack some points?
I started making my own lugols. Iodine crystals, potassium Iodide I bought on eBay (chemical grade); distilled water. Very easy to make and at a fraction of the cost. Like two euros per ounce or something.
Ph of Lugols is 3,5. Not alkaline. If afraid of the oxidative effect, take it with vit C.
Can anyone state definitively whether or not Lugol'sIodine (2% or 5%) can be used inside the ear canal? I have had tinnitus, fluid, and crackling/popping in my ears for years now which I suspect is Candida or other fungi and I would like to treat it using Lugol's (straight or diluted) if possible.
Many websites refer to placing 5% povidone Iodine in the ear canal but not Lugol's.
I think I answered my own question. Apparently inorganic forms of Iodine (such as straight Lugol's) can be very irritating to the skin and can form lesions. This might be why some people experience pain when applying it to the sensitive skin of the ear canal.
I also suffer with tinnitus and slight hearing loss. I was hoping that Iodine would take care of it and was really tempted to put the drops in my ears directly until I read someone's not-so-pleasant personal experience here on this forum.
I have painted Lugol's behind my ears which I think reduces some inflammation -- there's a noticable change, though it's hard to describe. I haven't done it in a while because while the change was good, it wasn't enough to motivate me to continue.
Tinnitus has been so difficult to work on. I've tried homeopathics, biofeedback, acupuncture, garlic/mullein ear drops and more. I see that it's a symptom of candida overgrowth, but also of GABA deficiency, hypothyroidism, blood Sugar issues, allergies and a myriad other things that all could apply to me.
It's interesting you posted this now because I was recently considering painting behind my ears again. I don't mind the ringing (I have a number of tones constantly in both ears) but I don't like the hearing loss that results. I'm tired of having to ask people to repeat what they say.
How did your tinnitus start? Mine began as an allergy symptom. I'd get it once a year for about 2 weeks, after we moved to a new area. That went on for a couple years, then the last time it occurred, it just stayed.
My tinnitus began 4 1/2 years ago after I took antibiotics for an extended period of time. As it turned out, an improperly placed root canal became septic and was leaking infection into my bloodstream, resulting in flu-like symptoms and an elevated WBC. About 4 weeks into the antibiotics tinnitus began. Two weeks later I developed a clostridium difficile infection and was hospitalized.
I have had the tinnitus and other symptoms ever since. In addition, I have become about 30 pounds overweight, developed dry skin, anxiety, and extreme fatigue. These symptoms are consistent with hypothyroidism (as is the tinnitus) which is another reason I am interested in Lugol'sIodine as it can also help treat this condition.
I also have a "crossbite" which may be a contributing factor to the tinnitus (tmj?) but I made it to 47 without this having caused any problems.
I have tried the same remdedies that you have in addition to others but nothing has helped very much. I am not diabetic or pre-diabetic (my blood Sugar is fine) but I do have some fairly troublesome allergies.
Finally, I can really relate to what you said about hearing (I call it the "huh?" factor). It's so annoying to have to ask people to repeat what they have said. People are constantly telling me I should have my ears cleaned out. If only I could achieve exactly that I'd be happy!!!
You need iodine, we all do. Please look over the FAQs.
And, in the meantime, be sure to eat lots of good raw foods to feed your beneficial microorganisms. Fruits and vegs now, very important. Also eat yogurt, kefir, kimchi, live sauerkraut. Drink kombucha tea.
Sorry, it stands for "clostridium difficile". This is an opportunistic microorganism that sometimes proliferates in large numbers within the GI tract when antibiotics are taken causing a very serious form of colitis that can be life-threatening. Basically, antiobiotics kill all denizens of the colon, good and bad. Cdiff is then free to recolonize the area as there is nothing to stop it from spreading (it is normally inhibited by the "good" flora citizens of the bowel).
Just wondered if Lugol's would have the same effect as it is also a broad spectrum microbe killer.
Clostridium difficile is a naturally occurring bad bacteria that exists in your GI tract. In normal levels it does serve a purpose. Iodine doesn't cause c diff. The cause for the overgrow of C diff is usually antibiotics or contamination, which in nursing is seen a lot. Usually if you take a probiotic twice a day while on any use of antibiotics will keep the normal levels of bacteria in your GI tract to maintain a balance. Antibiotics usually kill off the good bacteria and allows for the clostridium to overgrow and take over.
We have also found a good yogurt doctors have actually been ordering their patients take who have c diff is a yogurt called Kefir. It's pretty good stuff too! Tastes good, comes in a variety of flavors! Usually available in nature section at Krogers
First, thanks for everyone who has contributed to this post. This is a great forum and a great way to get information that is hard to find any other way.
From reading posts here and other sites, from researching Iodine and it's chemistry, and from my own experimentation I've discovered the following:
Iodine is one of the most potent and versatile infection control agents ever discovered. It is necessary for proper functioning of the thyroid, provides support for the adrenal glands, regulates and/or eliminates anxiety and depression, promotes better mental acuity, assists in the removal of heavy metals, bromide, fluoride, and other chemicals from the body, and probably myriad other functions that are minute and hard to measure or observe. It seems to have a positive affect on breast cancer. It extends lifespan. In other words, we need this stuff.
US RDA of 150 micrograms or so is inadequate. Jaapanese people living in coastal areas who consume a lot of seaweed and seafood receive about 12 milligrams of Iodine per day from their diets, which is approximately 100 times the RDA (this is equivalent to roughly 2 "vertical" drops of 5% Lugol's). They apparently suffer no ill effects from consuming iodine at this level. The Japanese also have the lowest incidence of breat cancer and higher life spans than most other populations of the world. They are arguably more intelligent, if one considers the achievements of the Japanese in almost every area of intellectual endeavor.
Fears of thyroid problems from iodine appear to be unwarrented as long as the correct amounts of INORGANIC iodine are used. The terms "organic" and "inorganic", by the way, are the chemistry meaning indicating whether or not an iodine preparation contain carbon atoms. Organic iodine contains carbon, inorganic does not. Examples of inorganic iodine are Lugol's, SSKI , and Povidone Iodine. Examples of organic iodine are Amiodarone (a drug) and radiocontrast media such as Propilyodone.
As someone with ear and sinus trouble, I am trying diluted iodine in a Neti pot (5 drops of Lugol's in 6 oz of distilled water) to irrigate my sinuses and am also instilling the same dilution into my ears. For ears Povidone Iodine can also be used at the same dilution (it's easier to obtain). So far, so good. No pain whatsoever. A recent sinus infection that was ramping up was stopped in its tracks. A sore throat that I had subsequent to a cold was also eliminated in one day by gargling with 6 drops of Lugol's in 6 oz of distilled water. Undiluted Lugol's is caustic and may cause blistering of the skin and/or itching which is problematic for ear use but seems to cause no permanent damage.
I will keep everyone posted regarding iodine and ear problems as this seems to be a topic that keeps popping up periodically on this forum.
"Undiluted Lugol's is caustic and may cause blistering of the skin and/or itching which is problematic for ear use but seems to cause no permanent damage."
There's something else at play re: Lugol's causing blistering, etc. When I removed a mole with lugol's, I also painted a healthy mole and a patch of clear skin for comparison. Control areas absolutely unaffected by the lugol's.
Quite a few people here have painted their faces with lugols, search "paint" or "painting" within this forum...
I have the crud right now and have been experiencing some pressure in my right ear. Kind of would call it an earache in the past but I think it is mostly due to sinus pressure. Last year I started painting the back and front of my ear. I noticed that it felt like my eye was reacting along with my ear draining. I did not have a cold at the time. Since I now have the crud and have made it two years without any cold or illness I decided to paint (5% Lugols) the area in front of the ear again. I paint about a one inch strip from top to bottom of my ears and completely down my neck. I sleep better at night and there is a lot of drainage. Tonight I did not paint because my hubby is sick with the crud and I did not want to wake him. The painting is much more effective then the peroxide I put in the ear. I'm glad you brought this up.
Caution: Please keep Iodine away from eyes!
Are you from Texas by any chance? I think "the crud" is what they call the flu there?
If you are painting 5% Lugol's just remember that one "vertical" drop of Lugol's is 6.5 milligrams (or so) of iodine. You want to keep your applications to 100 mg or less for as long as 3 weeks and then drop down to no more than 12.5 mg/day from what I have read. You might want to measure your drops for this.
I have heard that some people make a salve by mixing Lugol's and Vaseline and apply it that way. Others mix it with castor oil. Maybe one of these methods would work for you, then again maybe painting it the way you are doing is the best.
Good luck, I hope it resolves the crud and any other problems you use it for.
Ya I don't think you can get around putting Lugol's in your ears and snorting it up your nose. Its just what the doctor ordered for you. Try 2%. Also take some food grade diatomaceous earth, tribulus terrestris and activated charcoal to get the gut under control. Good luck.
Try bicarbonate of soda ear drops.
Mix half a teaspoon of bicarb into 8oz of
water(room temperature)make sure you use mineral
or distilled water, avoid tap water.
Put 3 drops into ear(s) 4 times a day for 3/5 days.
Check out Dr mark Sircus
He says you can put Iodine with the bicarb for ear drops but I cannot find out how much to put in so maybe just try out the bicarb.
Do you have any history of mercury? Amalgams? lots of vaccines? exposure to exhaust? esp from or near coal plants?
I've heard many mercury experts (read: doctors) talk about the ringing in the ears from mercury.
Quicksilver Scientific seems to do about the best and most comprehensive mercury testing, and seemingly well priced, as far as mercury testing goes. I wonder it it wouldn't help?
I have it come and go in waves, but I went through an 8 week round of 1500mg a day of oil of oregano (ingesting 500mg at a time 3x a day) and it cleared up lots of things in my system, tinnitus being one of them. Since having completed that, my sinuses, my ears, and many other parts have felt or been much much clearer... and i haven't had a single bout of tinnitus.
I had no idea that that stuff was that powerful. Really really impressed with the results. But, when it comes to fungal infections, you have to stay on it. It isn't just a take for a few days then quit. you have to stick with it for 2-3 months. but, that much oregano can also disrupt the microbiome, best to space probiotics out to the middle point between the oregano doses.
I was doing the Iodine protocol for a few months before I got an ear infection. I consulted a few sites as well a health practitioner, they all pretty much said the same thing: as the Iodine builds up, your body will both detox from things, as well start to ’function properly’. As the body Finally! starts to get the iodine its long needed, it will readjust around it, not just detoxing, but readjust its ’hold’ on things. ... ... Meaning: oftentimes the body won’t actually completely kill off infections, it will just kill them back to levels that otherwise ’don’t cause problems’, or are so small ... [This message is long. Retrieve the whole message]
I did a laser tattoo removal about 6-8 weeks ago. It works by breaking down the color and having it go through the blood stream, and out the liver.
3 weeks ago I started taking 6.25mg Iodoral, I only took it for a week until I had to stop. My blood pressure and pulse got very high, as well as tachycardia.
Here's the problem: It's now been 2 weeks, and I still have a high pulse and blood pressure. I also have pain in my chest a lot. What's going on? Could the tattoo have anything to do with this? Should I go see a Doctor?
I asked our resident Guru Violien to comment on this interesting video.
I was very suspicious because he was recommending thyroid drugs, and all of my research indicates that drugs are not needed. Violien confirmed my suspicions.
Here are Violien's comments:
"Hashimoto's developes when there's a deficiency of glutathione. If just one building block of glutatione is lacking then Hashimoto's will happen. The building block that is most often lacking is selenium. That's why selenium is so important to supplement when you're taking iodine.
In the video he says that you should treat people with Hashimoto's differently from those with hypothyroidism. Well, there's a problem there. Someone can be both hypothyroid and have Hashimoto's. Someone can have Hashimoto's and NOT be hypothyroid (although he soon will be because of the TPO antibodies). Besides, what is hypothyroid exactly? Low T4? That can happen from low tyrosine, low Iodine or other reasons. Is there enough T3? They almost never look at T3 which is very important for energy levels and a feeling of well being. By not fixing the underlying problem but giving T4 they allow the Hashimoto's to get worse.
If you're hypothyroid with low T4 and high TSH then you might carefully (if the person has not been on Iodine in the recent year) assume that there's about enough selenium.
He says with Hashimoto's there's sudden bursts of T4. Yes that's true. That's because of the inflammation that's happening within the thyroid. He says that if docs put patients on full T4 medication (what stupid doc would do that, well, mine did!) then, when you also have a surge of T4 from the thyroid you have a problem. Yes you have a problem because you're trying to take over from the body. Just add selenium and iodine and the body will heal its thyroid. The body is much smarter than us and far too complicated for us to understand.
But why make a simple thing so difficult? Why make those distinctions between "kinds" of thyroid problems? What everyone needs is both selenium and iodine. I know why alopathic docs do that:
- giving selenium to a person with Hashimoto's can give rise to a goiter. This simply means that the person is not just selenium deficient but also iodine deficient. But what docs conclude from this is that the selenium is making the thyroid worse. So that's why docs don't like giving selenium to a person with Hashimoto's. So basically they're blocking the only route back to health.
- giving iodine to a person with Hashimoto's makes the Hashimoto's worse. Yes that's true. But then, you should have given this poor sole his selenium also, or even started selenium a month or so before starting the iodine.
- docs are scared to give iodine because they still believe that iodine will shut down the thyroid if they give "too much". Exactly or even approximately what "too much" is, they don't know. They are just that scared of iodine. Some time ago I posted the research that proves that this is not the case. The thyroid simply takes a 50 hours timeout to reset it systems. Then it starts up again. Actual people who have taken iodine (you, me, this whole forum, ..) have NEVER experiences their thyroid shutting down. Quite the opposite actually.
So in stead of repairing the thyroid they try to take over. They don't understand the working of the thyroid (and they never will with all their prejudices) so they simply ignore it. They give the patient T4 in the hope that that will make up for the shortage. This will work a little bit; you will get some energy back. But the thyroid problem is not resolved so will get worse. Also what the body does is "steal" iodine from this T4 to make up for iodine deficiencies in the rest of the body. So (haha) in fact he IS supplementing iodine if he's giving T4. The doc just doesn't realize this.
All these different kinds of thyroid problems are merely different nutrient deficiencies and also different stages (severities) of nutrient deficiencies.
I do sometimes take a natural thyroid hormone (never T4 alone or any other synthetic hormone). When I'm ill or so very tired that my body just needs a little. It is a typical fatigue you get from hypothyroidism: it is not relieved by sleep. Also I get cold. I think I had my Hashimoti's for so long that my thyroid is damaged. It works fine when I'm healthy. But it is not well enough when I get under the weather. Just my reasoning. My Hashimoto's itself is completely resolved with selenium: it's that simple. It's just that I have residual damage.
I watched about 3/4 of the video. Sorry, it just annoys me too much. He says other docs don't know what they're talking about. But really he doesn't either. He makes it all far too complicated. But then docs still think that what you eat has no bearing on your health.
Sorry Grizz but I don't think you're doing anyone a service by referring to this video."
We sincerely thank Violien for helping us get to the truth on a complex subject,
Dr Haskell did point out that when there is damage to they thyroid, such as scar tissue, these folks may have to stay on thyroid medication and he does mention dessicated thyroid as well.
You mentioned that even you have to take some thyroid in order to feel better due to damage.
I really don't see how what he is doing is contrary to what you are saying, other than he likes to use a synthetic compounded thyroid med, instead of natural thyroid (due to thyroidperoxidase activity increases) that he sees with dessicated thyroid hormone.
He explains that this is the process that he found to work, so he is not saying it is the ONLY protocol. He does introduce Iodine after the selenium has been taken for a couple of months to build up their stores.
So again, I do not see how what he is saying is so contrary to your protocol.
I think he provides a simple enuf explanation regarding the thyroid in Hashi's for those that would like to know.
...Except I have always taken selenium and Iodine together and I still developed Hashi's (high antibodies only) after approximately 2.5 years supplementation (100mg Lugol's, 200-400mcg. selenium. 400-800mg. magnesium, 2g vitamin C, unrefined Sea Salt ).
I did not have any known thyroid issues prior to starting iodine--I took it for female hormonal issues (and it worked beautifully for that so I'm really bummed about the thyroid antibodies--+900 TPO).
You're the first I hear (read) this from. I'm very sorry for you.
It is actually not the selenium on its own that mops up the peroxide but glutathione peroxidase, which contains the selenium, that does that. Maybe there's another reason that you're not producing enough of this.
My wife and i have been taking SSKI for a month or so and just started taking magnascent along with the SSKI . We are taking the companion supplements and have been doing pretty good other than a little fatigue and headache at first but feel pretty good now.
My question is my wife has started having a brownish color vaginal discharge and was wondering if this is normal or if anyone might know what this is. she is still a couple weeks from her period.
If she's a couple of weeks from her period, the discharge is likely related to ovulation. Sorry to say, but the brownish color could be bromine. It seems to make its way into all our fluids. My husband had the surprise of his life when he coughed up brown phlegm.
Still, brownish staining could be related to her reproductive cycle. Google "brown stain ovulation" and there are many normal explanations for it. It may just have been chance that timed it shortly after starting magnascent.
Thanks for the response. Yeah we thought it could ovulation but just thought it was strange due to the brownish color and being a couple weeks away from her period. Was kind of wondering if it was the body getting rid of toxins. Tanks again!
I have been following the Iodine protocol for about 1 week, and have noticed a very odd occurrence; my tongue have spots all over it. They are sensitive and resemble what many people would call a "geographic tongue.". I am not sure if I am lacking a certain mineral/vitamin, but it started about 2 days into my Iodine protocol. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
You might try oil pulling. Swish 1-2 tablespoons organic sesame oil for 10-20 minutes twice a day. It might help especially if bromine is present in your saliva and irritating your tongue. You'll know if the oil is stinky when you spit it out. Beyond that, be sure to take at least a B complex, magnesium, and selenium to work with the iodine. Consider using salted water to help bromine excretion via the chloride.
I have been on the Iodine protocol for about 2 weeks now. I am taking all supporting co supplements, except for the b vitamins due to my intolerance to them(mthfr a2198c mutation).
My problem with the protocol is weight gain and impotence. I am 23 years old and I have had issues with my erection in the past, but it feels dead as of right now. I can only contribute it to the iodine.
I do not feel cold, and my benefits have been great. I have no brain fog after eating anymore and that alone makes me want to continue and even up my dosage to 100 mg.
My problems I have been dealing with is low energy, brain fog, depression, brain fog happens after eating meals the worst. I feel my best fasting.
Does all this sound like detox symtpoms? I had bad anxiety at 12.5mg and i knew that was detox, but that subsided very shortly after taking that 12.5mg. From there I dont really have any neuro detox symptoms which is a great thing. However the lack of erection really bothers me.
My diet is clean and very paleo friendly. I eat most of my carbs from fruits due to the fact I have Klebsiella overgrowth and starches cause bad inflammation in my back. I am dairy, wheat, and grain free. I keep my carbs around 20% of my total, my fat is around 50-60% and protein is 20-30%. My meats are antibiotic free and usually grass fed. I only use Kerrgold Butter, Beef Tallow, Duck Fat, and coconut oil. My diet is limited, but according to chronometer my macros are usually well above the rda.
And thoughts/feedback would be greatly appreciated
Here's what I am taking atm:
Lugols 2% - 25mg
Selenium methionine - 400mcg
Magnesium - 650mg - night
Vitamin C - 1-2000mg
Calcium - 500mg - morning
Redmond Real Salt - 1-3 tspn
Activated Charcoal - 20 gm
Potassium Chloride - 1000mg
Zinc too, that helps complete the glutathione cycle.
Calf liver, gently fried,
rocket or kale salad with garlic and red onions
Suggestion: Lower fruits in favor of greens and sulfur-rich vegs, steamed and raw. Folate can help complete the glutathione cycle, get beetroot juice!! (major booster to that cycle.)
Porkmeats can contribute to inflammation levels, but right now sounds like there's lots of stuff to be cleaned out, and Iodine goes that!
Sounds like dieoff reactions, but the MTHFR difficulty explains itself, small logjam towards working with iodine.
Need to tweak the balance if it's stopping your sexual cycles (that's a hormonal change).
Strong-tasting olive oil pulling can help clean out the lymph system, which is where the hormones are generated. A strong taste is non-mild, non-fruity- carries the olive essential oils (which is part of olive leaf extract too) which helps kill the bacteria that like to hide in the lymph.
Coconut oil is most beneficial in topical application (personal experience), it doesn't contribute signifigantly to the cleaning of the intestinal tract, so I reserve it for frying when I go at that.
According to chronometer my b12 and folate are good to go. I am well over the RDA for each of them.
I am interested in Zinc I am just concerned about copper loss, but I am also worried about being copper toxic so i am afraid of taking supplemental copper. Ive had my blood copper tested in the past and it was in the normal reference range, but I know that doesn't say much if there is a toxicity issue.
I am taking cod liver oil I forgot to mention that as a supplement.
I am eating lots of red meat to try to get my zinc up. I do have a few white spots on my nails that are new
I am currently looking for an integrative doctor because I am trying to get to the point of this problem
thanks for the advice!
PS the weight gain has leveled off. I was just holding on to a lot of water for some reason.
The magnesium-sodium-potassium balance is usually the reason for water retention.
Zinc is more concentrated in meat, yes, but a bit easier to absorb from greens, as I've been finding out. ;)
I find zinc supplementation to be gentler in a vitamin with selenium, C and B1.
It always pays to go gentle in changes to the body, of course.
Copper is especially rich in beer, grains, etc, so if you go the zincroad, there's a good way to balance. Cracked organic kernels like buckwheat and rye are quite nice (Though I know there's a lot of push for plain vegetarian and fruitarian here, I take it in cycles.)
I too am a male, though in my late thirties. Ive experienced identical symptoms as you have.
I do take, 50mgs of zinc picolinate and let me tell you it works wonders. I also take a copper supplement (2mg). Both of which work amazingly well for libido and getting the "pitcher on bat".
Needless to say, i have experimented with Iodine 5-300mgs at a time for the past 3 years, and i have had a lot of very good things happen on it, while taking all the cofactors. Vision, energy, focus, better body heat, stable mood, I now tan vs burn in the sun, better skin, hair growth (on head). The downside, is basically my penis does not respond anywhere close to what it normally does. The other downside, is i get totally wasted off very little alcohol. I suspect Iodine is impeding my liver function.
I did seem to gain weight like you did too.
When i stop, all goes back to normal while still taking zinc and copper ( I cant say this enough which work miracles in this department). actually my libido is super high due to these supplements. I can also consume alcohol and not feel drunk off 2-3 pints.
Also, I am the lightest ive weighed in 10 years.
Lately Ive scaled back my intake. I just took 50mgs today, but i may take it once every couple weeks now.
Maybe i am iodine sufficient, im not sure, but high supplementation seems to not be for me. i do however benefit from some.
It's just my personal opinion, but i think extreme doses of iodine may be needed in some cases, cancer patients and those seriously deficient. But for others, maybe we only mild amounts to have things function properly.
BTW what were your symptoms that made you start iodine in the first place?
I'm concerned about the 1-3 teaspoons of salt, even good Redmond's salt, unless you have aldosterone issues. That would take a lot of water in order to be useful, else it sort of clogs up your system. If you want more energy, try lowering the salt to no more than 3/4 teaspoon and drink plenty of water with it. Some of the weight gain could be water weight from all the salt. My husband feels very lackluster if he uses 1 teaspoon of salt and anything short of about 120 ounces of water. Give it 5 days before you decide you don't feel any differently.
I've been supplementing with Iodine for a little over a month, taking 16 drops in water once per day in the morning in addition to all the supplements recommended here on this amazing forum. When I wasn't taking the supplements (especially vitamin C), I broke out is HUGE zits that were really awful. Thanks to all the work of the pioneers here, I've been able to benefit from Iodine and avoid a lot of the negatives. I also credit myself for spending a year and a half working on clearing all my organs of toxins (I'm not done with detoxing yet, but I'm close.)
But what I really wanted to do is to post a testimonial about my experience with face painting because there really isn't all that much information about it on curezone. I've suffered from 10+ years of discoloration on my face that looks like big blotches of dirt. It has been caused by a lot of things: I've had acne my entire adult life (it started when I was 10 years old, and I've still got it at 36). I used retin-a as a child and I believe that it contributed to a lot of sun damage. I also used birth control pills which contributed to hormone imbalance. Other hormone imbalance was caused by an underactive thyroid gland AND a malfunctioning liver.... But I digress.
So, I started painting my face with iodine because, hey, it couldn't hurt. Well, I mean, it could hurt (as others warned here on this forum), but I figured the risk was worth it. And they weren't kidding! The first few times it stung really bad. REALLY bad. I quickly learned that I needed to wash my face, apply moisturizer and vitamin E oil, and then paint once. And then let my face slough off the dead skin (usually 2-3 days later).
I've looked awful these past 3 weeks (that's how long I've been doing it). But the results are nothing less than miraculous! Here's my routine--I paint on Friday night and Saturday morning. 2 times on one weekend. The next day, Sunday, my face is pretty raw (like I got an acid peel--those awful procedures that dermatologists claim help with melasma--which NEVER do). Monday, my face is actively peeling. And Tuesday's the same. By Wednesday and Thursday, my skin starts to return to a more normal color (it's pretty pink/red).
I'm pretty brutal to my face on Monday and Tuesday--I like to sit in a hot bath and let the dry scaly skin soften. Then I run my fingernails over everything. What comes off is black--black skin. The dead, discolored, awful skin that I've been agonizing over for years.
I've seen huge patches of skin--especially on my left temple (where I got some of the worst sun damage, probably b/c that's the side the sun hit my face when I drove to work)--literally turn from black to dark brown to white. This is happening all over my face. I don't remember ever having white skin, skin that I could face the world with. I've always covered it up with makeup because it's so mottled. And now, I'm joyously looking forward to the day when I can go outside without covering it up.
Some people here claim that iodine will scar you. And that definitely hasn't happened to me. Other people claim that it can remove moles--and I've seen moles on my face get super inflamed, watched their 'roots' come out, and then seen them never completely go away; they just fade to a much lesser version of themselves. I know that everyone's skin is different. And everyone is at a different place in their healing journey, so what has worked for me might not work for someone else. (I hope, however, that this posting does help someone.)
I'll keep you posted on my progress. I imagine that it'll take at least a few more months before I see real healing. I'm just so totally thrilled! I've read that skin has 16 layers (does it?), so maybe it'll take me 16 weeks to peel through all of them. Or perhaps there's some other magic number. Who knows. What I do know is that my body is healing at a remarkable rate, and I credit my 16 drops of iodine every morning.
My parting thought is that I don't think I'd have benefited from iodine half as much as I have if I hadn't spent the past year and a half cleansing my colon, my liver, my kidneys, my gallbladder, my stomach of candida and mucus build-up. I believe that it's the reason that although I've suffered from terrible acne most of my life that I barely breakout at all supplementing with iodine. And, of course, all the companion stuff (selenium, salt pushing, tons of vitamin c, etc.) has been KEY.
Yes, I agree that I am pushing it a bit by running my nails over my face. Part of the reason I do this is because the peeling is pretty unsightly. Also, the Iodine causes the discoloration to get super dark (MUCH darker than it was). It requires a lot of makeup to cover it all up. After I run my fingernails across it and take off the dead skin, the discoloration is off so the darkness goes away.
BTW: I know how this must sound too good to be true. And some people probably won't believe me. If it wasn't happening to me, I wouldn't believe it could happen at all. The thing is, I am constantly 'proving' it's working to myself--I identify a place on my face with a particularly shaped discoloration, and I check it repeatedly before and after the painting/sloughing. I've seen whole sections completely vanish. (It took me 3 weeks to decide to post here. And I finally did tonight because I'm finally sure it's happening--and not just wishful thinking.)
I've been following your threads for a month or so--reading all I can about Iodine supplementing. So, I've definitely heard about your famous Wombat cream! I plan on making some of it when I'm finished healing my skin. I'm looking forward to maintenance and healing when I'm done detoxing.
In answer to your question about other benefits I've had on iodine--I've only been on it one month. Actually, I started at the beginning of June at a very low dosage. That was not good! My breasts were very sore, my skin broke out HORRIBLY (at first, I didn't take the companion supplements and salt flushing--and that was a huge, huge mistake). And I had a lot of other difficulties--so many that I stopped completely to enable my cysts on my face to heal. I was a little scared off at that point.
Then, at the beginning of July, I decided to start dosing at 8 drops and to take all the companion nutrients. The first couple days, I got sore breasts Then, my period came early and was really incredible--SO much bleeding, more than I've ever bled before in my life (and I'm a bleeder). Toward the middle of my period, I seemed to slough off some cyst or something from my uterus (sorry to be gross)--when I changed a tampon a weird fleshy mass with a blood blister in the middle came out. Wow. (I had an abortion a few years ago, so perhaps I was detoxing from that?? I've also had a couple ovarian cysts in my life--maybe it was one of those?)
I've had a foggy mind for a while (I believe this is related to candida, which I'm curing now, thanks to iodine). During my first week at 8 drops (July 1-8), I didn't feel much clearer in my head like so many people claim. So I upped my dose to 16 drops (July 9). My mind has been slow to clear, but I definitely feel a difference. My energy has been pretty good for a while now, so I haven't noticed much of the euphoria that so many here claim to experience (sigh). 16 drops has been fine. I got a huge cyst, but just one and it has mostly cleared now. About a week into this higher dose, I got a dull ache in my solar plexus area for about 2 days--right where people do the mesentery painting (July 16). (Soon after, I tried mesentery painting but I really didn't feel anything, so I stopped.)
Um, what else? As I mentioned before, my skin is healing at an incredible speed. When I break out minor (regular) acne (like I have my whole life), the acne clears in a few days, if that. (It used to take several weeks for the sores to clear.) The bottoms of my feet--all of the calluses--are peeling off and I'm getting fresh skin like I had when I was younger. (I'm not sure if it's related to Iodine or the fact that I recently started drinking distilled water.)
My gray hairs aren't turning brown yet. Maybe they're next! I hope so.
Oh, and the first week or so on iodine my eyes really watered, like they were drying out. And then they cleared and the whites became super white--so white that people commented on them (they've always been a little bloodshot).
Thanks for the great information. Here is a bit of info for you.
I had 2 bee stings on my leg last year about June time frame and I put Iodine on a bandage and applied to my skin over the stings. I react bad to stings and bug bites. I usually do not swell up until 24 hours later and I do mean swell up and have to have a shot to stop the swelling. There was a small amount of swelling 24 hours later but the skin boiled up. I had 2 boils at one sight and 1 at the other sting sight. I then drained the boils. Instead of my entire leg swelling the sight blistered from the iodine. It took several months for the skin to heal up to the point that it did not look nasty. I had two very square raised scars over the winter months. One year later, and the scars are fading finally and look like light colored birth marks. I should have posted pictures last year when it happened but did not think it all important then. I've pretty much decided that Iodine needs to breath on the skin. Covering it so tightly might have been a mistake but then again it may have caused the iodine to work it's wonders on the stings and keep me from having to visit the E.R.
I paint my neck and chin with Lugol's quite often with no burning but if I get it into my cheek area it burns like snockers! Then my eyes tear up too! Wombat cream is the dream for my cheeks.
Yeah ten years, it's settled down a lot, almost quiet. One of the funniest posts ever on CZ, was the one on the VWT forum mentioning how tho they weren't exactly sure what taking Iodine did for one's health, but it sure seemed to make people psychotic, what with all the intense arguing going on in the forum. And I think they added that it must be related also to something on the Barefoot forum, because of the intense acrimony that goes on there between people too. (the original post was worded much better than my replica. If you remember from the early times the continuing multi post threads filled with aggression on both forums you will laugh too)
So the reason I use and prefer orthomolecular dosages of Lugol'sIodine is because of it's huge all-round benefit for the whole body - not just for the benefit of the thyroid gland.
The reason why Lugol's Iodine is perhaps a better supplement is because it has all three forms of beneficial elemental iodine -- Lugol's Iodine contains molecular Iodine(I2), Iodide(I-) and Tri-iodide (I3-).
Furthermore, when used on its own, Nascent Iodine (I3-) is not a heavy metal chelator. Lugol's Iodine is a heavy metal chelator and remover (due to the Iodide content), removing mercury, lead, cadmium, aluminum and arsenic from the body's cells. Similarly, the Iodide form is only absorbed by the thyroid gland, skin and salivary glands, whereas the elemental iodine storage sites in the breasts, prostate and intestines can only absorb the molecular iodine form (I2). Furthermore, many other iodine storage sites need elemental iodine - such as the brain, stomach and salivary glands - and these sites need higher dosages in order to be absorbed in sufficient and proper amounts.
(Which would fit in with why some people taking Lugols might have difficult reactions and some wouldn't, and also inform us as to which type we might focus on if preferring not to take all three in the Lugols solution)
(and Phill Thomas's Atomidine site is also very interesting to the choosing topic)
There is a compound called D-glucuronolactone. It is a precursor to vitamin C in animals that make their own vitamin C. However, I have two studies that show it also causes ascorbate levels in human subjects who ingest it, to increase.
It turns out that for folks with a defective Na-I symporter system, the Iodine MD's have described that one of the fixes for those symporter defects is Vitamin C.
However, take note that D-glucuronolactone is listed as a detoxicant. Learn about something called "glucuronidation" from your wikipedia or wherever and understand how it cleans the liver.
I'd venture a guess that it would help folks with defective Na-I symporters, and would implore folk like Dr. Flechas, Brownstein, et al. to look into it.
When I first took that lactone, a gram or two in some orange juice, 15 minutes later I felt a little energy. My guess is because it helped make insoluble crap that was in my liver, to become more soluble and expelled in urine.
Personally, I have ingested quite a bit of it at once, with no apparent bowel tolerance issue. It could be, this is a good back door way, to clean the liver, get more ascorbate into the bloodstream, and fix the sodium-iodine symporter system.
I've read a lot about supplementing iodine. Some doctors say it's important, a few say no need, or not at the high dosages other doctors recommend.
I started Lugol's 2%, 1 drop per day. This is 2.5mg. Not a real high dose. Felt good overall. Some minor detox symptoms possible, like headaches, etc...
But, after about 2 weeks, I'm starting to feel stimulated. Not sure if it's more detox, or if it's causing me to be hyperthyroid (whether it's a temporary reaction or not), of if it's making my adrenals stress out.......I'm a bit worried since I already have some adrenal fatigue.
I'm not too woried if these are detox symptoms. I was already taking daily magnesium, selenium and vitamin c. I use Sea Salt when I cook.
Now I'm feeling jittery (internal stimluation not shaking) like after drinking caffeine. I'm sensitive to stimulants. etc... I really felt some improvements taking Iodine, but wonder if it's starting to cause me to get hyperthyroid, or if it's stimulating my adrenals too much.
My mood is good. But just feel weird inside.
I just don't know if I should keep taking this every day, if it's detox then I'm fine with it, but if it's causing other issues then I'm considering lowering the dose, or just take it every other day.
I took an extra 2.5mg yesteday afternoon as a test, and my mood/energy improved then shortly after I started feeling stimulated, slept poorly and still feel stimulated today even after not taking iodine.
One other note. The other day I consumed 10g of Vitamin C. It gave me the runs and cramps. Maybe I'm just dehydrated or caused a worsening of detox?
Anyone else have experience with Iodine supplementation, detox, etc...?
I can't take 10 g of Vit C either. It's either too much for you, or too much at once if that's how you took it. Just reduce until you don't get diarrhea any more.
I suspect both that you're not getting enough Iodine and that you're not taking enough magnesium. It can be tricky to get enough magnesium, since it too can give you diarrhea. I use both magnesium citrate and magnesium malate, which allow me to take more magnesium than I could get with magnesium oxide.
As an experiment, put your Iodine in orange juice to see if you tolerate it better. I believe that would give you Iodide only, on the chance that the elemental iodine is a problem.
I'm brand new to the forum and Iodine in general however I've read almost every resource so maybe I can contribute?
First: take the Iodine in the morning especially when starting out... it will cause insomnia if you don't. I took KELP a week ago just to start and I stayed up till 5am.
The stimulated feeling is probably the jittery feeling, but you feel it in a calmer sort of way.
2,000 mgs Vitamin C
200 – 400 mgs Magnesium
1/2 tsp Celtic Salt
The above should help, but you need to make sure you are taking the proper forms. For instance, unrefined Sea Salt (that is white) doesn't count. Magnesium oxide doesn't count... you ideally want a glycinate / bisglycinate form of magnesium (or magnesium chloride). Vitamin C needs to be ascorbate / ester c / liposomal.
How much water exactly are you taking? I would also read up on the 100mg iodine theory... it could be that too much bromide / fluoride is getting into your bloodstream.
I got turned on to Iodine about 10-12 years ago. At the time I had tachycardia, dry skin, lumpy breasts, cold hands and feet, depression and exhaustion. I dreaded to get up in the morning. I also have a history of Mono-Sodium-Glutamat (Natrium Glutamat) migraines and asthma.
I got on Iodine and ramped it up as quickly as possible. Within two weeks I was waking up at dawn looking forward to my day. Depression gone. Tachycardia gone. Cold hands and feet gone, but my fingers and toes stayed cold. No more morning depression. I felt like Popeye on a can of spinach. Love love love the iodine. I did several rounds of really high dosing over the years for various reasons, but I never could get my fingers and toes to warm up like my hands and feet had. I even took it until I sneezed one time. My doctor was worried about my TSH report the next time I went in. But I lowered the dose and my thyroid tests normalized.
8 years later I was still trying to figure out why my fingers and toes had not warmed up. A pharmacist suggested I try Eco-thyroid. I took some of that and it warmed up my fingers and toes, but not the tips of them. Two weeks after I started taking Eco-thyroid, I started having loud tinnitus. It felt like the top of my head was going to blow off. I started waking up in the morning with a headache and it felt like there was water in my brain. My symptoms made me think I was having a thyroid storm and/or I had a hyperparathyroid problem. But all those tests came up negative. I still cannot sleep for more than 3-4 hours most nights, before I get really loud tinnitus and headache that wakes me up.
During waking hours just the tiniest little bit of Iodine makes the top of my head feel like it is going to blow off like a volcano. I haven't been able to take iodine in nearly two years without giving myself a terrible headache. So now the depression, tachycardia and cold hands and feet are back. I am so troubled by all this. I made an appointment with a neurologist. He has ordered MRA, MRI, and ultra sound for my head and neck because my neck is hurting on the right side, especially near my thyroid gland. At times it feels like there is a wire around my neck trying to choke me.
I am waiting for these appointments. Meanwhile the Neurologist has prescribed Gabapentin, which is for epilepsy which is supposed to help my brain manage glutamate. He thinks this is a glutamate storm problem. In reading about glutamate storms I have learned that people with glutamate allergies are not supposed to increase their medicine rapidly or take too much at first. We are supposed to start very low, and increase slowly.
I have also read that Iodine plays a significant role in the proper use of glutamate. So I am still trying to figure out why I can't take it any more, not even in really small amounts. And it seems to be related to my thyroid gland, since taking Eco-Thyroid is what triggered all this for me, but all of my thyroid tests are coming up normal.
thank you, i stopped taking both eco-thyroid and Iodine two years ago when i went hyper, but the hyper symptoms did not go away
since the symptoms matched a thyroid storm, i started taking some thyroid calming herbs, and they helped me a lot at first... they even helped with my chronic cough for a while
a few months ago i put some Iodine on my skin and went hyper again, it felt like the top of my head was going to blow off and i started having really really loud ringing in my ears, especially the left one, the tinnitus was painful, it got worse when i fell asleep and the headache and tinnitus was waking me at 3 am, i was getting sleep deprived
the thyroid calming herbs did not help any more, so my GP sent me to a neurologist, he said it was glutamate storm and gave me some anti-seizure/anti-stroke medicine, but that stuff makes me dizzy and blurs my vision
i have ordered taurine and threonine as that is supposed to help the body process glutamate properly, sure hope it works, i need to get back on iodine for the depression and tachycardia, send me anything you know or find about how iodine helps brain process glutamate properly
The last part of the Tennant piece may be of interest (its taken from his newest book, Cancers On/Off Switches). I figure that you know most of this basic info but---
He stresses, which you may already know of course, that the ratio between the free T-3 and the RT-3 is very important to really know how much T3 is available and also that if certain "stressors" are activating than we will still suffer from Hypothyroid symptoms. Thus while blood levels may be acceptable, cellular activity may still be depressed.(as you mention the temp of the xtremities).
Furthermore he states that the family MD is usually relying on TSH and total T4 levels, missing other important factors.
"---we can see that the lab results for TSH that most doctors rely upon to diagnose and treat hypothyroidism uses lab “normals” that are over ten years out of date. In addition, most doctors are unaware that TSH is managed locally in the pituitary by a different enzyme system than at the cellular level---"
The molecular interplay flow chart of all the associations between Glutamate, manganese, mitochondrial(energy) dysfunction, neurological ailments, colon sterility, minimizing function of all the essential aromatic amino acids, numerous necessary molecules (Thyroid Hormone and TSH, melatonin, Q10, folate, thiamine, tyrosine, dopamine, seratonin ect ect ect ect ect ect), would be extremely intricate and just as interposed. And Iodine is involved at every stage because of it's intercellular function. So lots of analogies and considerations are possible on your experiences using it, in a system that is also acting/reacting such as you describe.
All these substances use the "Shikmate" pathway. Previously thought not to be present in 'animals', tho now known to be.
And every substance, or organ or hormonal activity which depends on the "shikimate" pathway is troubled and frustrated by, ta da-- "GLYPHOSATE" and its fellow ingredients found in the herbicide "RoundUp". And the reason why "RU" was thought to be safe for humans and other animals and so easily certified safe and introduced into our environment was because of 'scientists' missing the presence of the Shikmate pathway in our human systems.
The evidence is overwhelming that many of our ailments are directly related to this herbicide. Its a fascinating but terrible sad story. (celiac, leaky gut, neurological problems, body chemistry disruptions and inadequacies ect)
We take RESTORE to repopulate "body" and gut flora, correct digestion, eat, healthy fats, sulfer, Iodine, MSM ect ect(the few necessary supps), eat organic to avoid the RU chemicals, which are now being sprayed just before harvest as a ripening agent, insuring even more that people will ingest it. The continuing education of re-education.
BTW as you probably know, but worth mentioning, Glutamate processing is severely compromised by a Manganese deficiency, tho too much Mn creates severe problems as well, and of course Glyphosate damages this association too, as well as the circuitry involved as mentioned.
Since Glyphosate is an analog of the neurochem glycine, its ability to engage receptor sites designed for other neurochems is part of it's sinister effect. Furthermore Glyphosates analog chemical interactions appear, in studies to cause glutamate exitotoxicity, in the hippocampus, as well as reducing Glutamate uptake and metabolism in glial cells, ect ect ect ect.
In the same vein, Vit D defficiency is linked to Glyphosate by (super researcher) Dr S Seneff, such that supplementing w D will have less of an effect than desired, until the damage done by the Glyphosate is repaired.
(yeah Glutamate storm, all too common of a parlance.
Too bad the MDs aren't open to this current alternative research on Glyphosate to really help their patients a bit more).
Like I mentioned the flow chart of all these molecules and compounds processes, is like a very sophisticated Yantra gone crazy (and we can waste time supplementing one or more of a myriad of compounds, which help to a degree or another but rarely completely, until we find the real reason behind the malfunction) and at the root of a most all of these processes, in some way, is damaged processing and pathways and, again, the damaged by "modern living", work designed for our healthy, mega typed, Intestinal Flora (which cannot be adequately repopulated by modern Probiotic products even when we successfully remove Glyphosate from our intake(especialy chronic use of bovine bacillus creating monocultures of non human oriented gut flora, tho not to be ignored if we are very ill).
Such a topic. Its kinda like many biology topics which may seem simple from our wanting to be well standpoint, but rarely are on account of things as they are and how they interact.
Makes me feel sympathy for the MDs still in the dark cause they are too sidetracked by their lives, professional and personal to have to really get the "whole" thing well enough understood to handle all the dilemmas we bring to them(and they suffer from as well, eventually).
Course that's why they make the dollars and get the prestige. Perhaps their dreaming of ethical or aggrandizing lifestyle doomed them not to see what was happening in society and so they they never considered Petro driven Monsanto, Dow ect ect dollars influencing the, way too sophisticated for anything but the most simple healthy Wholistic approach, biology flow chart like they have.
I have not read about a relationship between Iodine and glutamate. However, the possibility explains something I've noticed. I already know from genetic testing that my glutamate receptors have a lot of problems. I put quite a bit of emphasis on keeping them functioning as well as possible and in supporting GABA receptors, as the balance of glutamate and GABA is crucial.
One of the most helpful minerals to support GABA is magnesium. We've mentioned magnesium quite a bit through the years, and this is a clear application for it. As I increase my Iodine dosing, at some point I become overstimulated and have to raise how much magnesium I take. I didn't know why I was overstimulated, just that magnesium stopped it.
I've always had poor RBC Magnesium blood levels, so it becomes critical that my daily magnesium intake keeps up with what gets used up during the day. There's no question that for me more iodine means more magnesium. Then I feel calm and the iodine gets to do what it needs to do.
If your doctor is willing to test your blood level, a sufficient RBC Magnesium level (NOT serum magnesium) is >= 6.0 mg/dL. But really, a simple experiment is either to add it to your daily supplements, at least twice a day, or increase how much you already take. I've used both magnesium citrate and magnesium malate, while others swear by magnesium glycinate and other forms. Spreading out your intake might help you take more of it before the dread magnesium supersoft stool or diarrhea starts at some point. Then you have to back off the dose a bit.
I like to think this might enable you to get back on the Iodine horse!
It's extremely common among thyroid patients, especially after a hyper metabolic experience. Other things that can contribute are eating sugar, drinking tea, coffee and alcohol, eating raw fish, and certain medications.
"Although levothyroxine, a thyroid hormone, is the treatment of choice for hypothyroidism, a significant number of patients on thyroid hormone replacement therapy report not feeling well despite having thyroid function tests within the healthy range. Based on our hypothesis, we started treating the fatigue in patients affected by Hashimoto's thyroiditis and taking a thyroid hormone with thiamine.
The administration of thiamine led to a partial or complete regression of the fatigue and related disorders. It is reasonable to infer that the administration of large quantities of thiamine restores thiamine-dependent processes. The mild thiamine deficiency suggested by fatigue and related disorders may be due a dysfunction of the intracellular transport of thiamine or to enzymatic abnormalities most likely related to the autoimmune process of the disease.
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