Hi all.... after building up for about 2 weeks on my 2nd day at 25mgs of Lugols drops I feel like I have a bad flu including mucus, aches, etc... Yesterday I took 25 grams(!) of Vit C and at least a teaspoon of salt throughout the day and while I'm a bit better today I still feel bad. I'm so surprised at how much I'm detoxing because I've been on Borax for a couple of months.
It's hard to know whether I should increase Iodine or stop it for a couple of days till I feel better
I'm nooo Iodine expert, this is just my personal experience on iodine.
When I started iodine, I did go through a good week or two of feeling like I had a bad flu. Lots of mucus, throat was a little sore, swallowing was hard, headache, body aches, etc... Since lots of people on here recommend pulse dosing for detox, I gave that a try, but in the end, it didn't work for me. I then went back to taking Iodine every day and added an extra salt loading. So now I was salt loading 2x a day. The extra salt loading did help me a little, but what really did the trick was when I decided to continuing to increase my dose. With increasing, the flu thing passed quickly. Then, later on, on a higher dose, I had another detox. This time my face and body broke out in a horrible rash/acne (bromide acne?), so I again dramatically increased my dose. I was taking 120mg at the time and jumped straight to 150mg. The rash/acne started to go away after I did that. I still have some of the acne/rash but it's like 80-90% better at this point
For ME, increasing my iodine dose helped with my detox symptoms
**Also want to mention I take all suggested co supplements. Selenium, mag, niacin, vit c, etc...
Because your cysts are so large, it will likely take many months for Iodine to shrink them. Over time they should get smaller and smaller till they finally disappear. I say this because my breast cyst was large-marble size, and took several months to finally disappear. So a golf-ball size would take longer.
But yes, over time, the cysts will disappear.
My gut says that 150 mg Lugol's is sufficient for an Iodine dose. It can be difficult to take much more iodine. However, I believe you could benefit from more iodide. This could be in the form of SSKI , plain potassium iodide, or by using an additional amount of Lugol's mixed with Vitamin C. You'd want to stay on your Lugol's 150 mg without Vitamin C, and then separately, in a second dose during the day, take some Lugol's with Vitamin C. This would be a way to raise your level of Iodide without the metabolic distress of more iodine.
You appear to be raising your overall dose very sensibly, and could continue along the same lines raising Lugol's with Vitamin C.
I'm very clear about iodine taking care of your cysts, and not so clear on iodine and endometriosis. My thought is that you will notice improvement along the same time frame as your cysts. I simply don't have the personal experience to back up the thought.
I forgot to mention above that within the 3 months of using iodine, my 1-2yr old uterine fibroid completely disappeared. I'm so ready for Iodine to remove these ovarian cysts. I'm tired of getting them
When I hit the 100mg-120mg range of Iodine I had a very bad detox, an explosive rash/acne all over my face, throat and upper body, plus felt as though I had a bad flu, but I remembered Trapper writing in a post that if this were to happen to actually increase the iodine, so I jumped to 150mg. Within a day or two the detox symptoms started to go away. If increasing is going to help, I'm more than willing to give it a go
Right now at 150mg and feel completely normal, like I'm not really taking anything, don't know if that's a good or bad thing. I take all my drops in the morning all at once split up between two big glasses of water, don't know if this makes a difference.
I'd like to also mention that my husband and I want to try for a child in about 5 months, is this all safe to do while we try/if I were to get pregnant?
Here are three threads talking about pregnancy and iodine. Trapper in particular experienced his daughter going through her first iodinated pregnancy. There are other threads talking about how swiftly his grandson developed.
When Iodoral is mentioned, one tablet of Iodoral 12.5 mg equals 2 drops of 5% Lugol's.
"New research shows a troubling correlation between a woman’s thyroid function and her child’s risk for autism. This video talks about a study showing that when “mothers had very low levels of thyroid hormone early in pregnancy the chance of having a kid with autism was multiplied by 4 very seldom we see these strength of association." http://drsircus.com/medicine/iodine-helps-prevent-autism
"the mechanism of iodine
deficiency is that insufficient levels of Iodine lead to an imbalance in
thyroid hormone metabolism with a decrease in circulating thyroxin (T4) in
both the pregnant mother and the fetus. This results in irreversible
changes in brain architecture such as less dense neural connections.(6) It
has been reported that some children with autism have “underconnectivity”
in certain regions of the brain.(7)
In conclusion, there are similarities between the effects of iodine
deficiency on the brain of the developing fetus and the pattern of brain
dysfunction seen in some children with autism. We believe that there is
evidence to support the theory that some of the reported increase in
reported autism might be attributed to Iodine deficiency, and that this
warrants further investigation"
"ABSTRACT Because autism may be a disease of early fetal brain development, maternal hypothyroxinemia (HT) in early pregnancy secondary to Iodine deficiency (ID) may be related to etiology of autism. The aim of the study was to assess the Iodine nutritional status in Egyptian autistic children and their mothers and its relationship with disease characteristics.
Fifty autistic children and their mothers were studied in comparison to 50 controls. All subjects were subjected to clinical evaluation, measurement of urinary iodine (UI), free triiodothyronine (fT3), free tetraiodothyronine (fT4) and thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) along with measurement of thyroid volume (TV). In addition, electroencephalography (EEG) and intelligence quotient (IQ) assessment were done for all autistic children.
Of autistic children and their mothers, 54% and 58%, respectively, were iodine deficient. None of the control children or their mothers was iodine deficient. UI was lower among autistic patients (p <0.001) and their mothers (p <0.001). Childhood Autism Rating Scale (CARS) score correlated negatively with UI (r = -0.94, p <0.001). Positive correlations were detected between autistic patients and their mothers regarding UI (r = 0.88, p <0.001), fT3 (r = 0.79, p = 0.03), fT4 (r = 0.91, p <0.001) and TSH (r = 0.69, p = 0.04). Autism had a significant risk for association with each of low UI (OR: 9.5, 95% CI: 2.15-33.8, p = 0.02) and intake of noniodized salt (OR: 6.82, 95% CI = 1.36-34.27, p = 0.031).
ID is prevalent in Egyptian autistic children and their mothers and was inversely related to disease severity and could be related to its etiology." http://www.researchgate.net/publication/257753238_Iodine_Deficiency_in_Egypti...
Thank you Ginagirl for posting this information. It's good to have an abstract to support the testimonials of the parents.
Please post this a couple of times a year to remind the new people coming in.
I've recirculated the info to my friends and associates.
Iodine deficiency sound reasonable. If the body of the mother,
who is genetically pre-disposed to neurological issues, does not have Iodine deficiency... her immune system could capture the mercury from vaccines, before it is trapped at the blood brain barrier.
I Iodine paint most every day and fights against flu's, cold's and allergies that stress the immune system... And a hundred other illnesses iodine sufficiency helps prevent...
ok, folks kinda mum on this topic. Here's the rationale - we already know many lawsuits found vaccines to be the cause. Dr. Moulden's work, and his untimely death. And also the fact that mercury has been removed from vaccines.
Isn't it apparent to you all, that the typical modus operandi is to shift attention away from the real cause in not only this type of matter, but many others ? If not, now you know.
Blame the victim, ohhh, its not the vaccines, rather, lets blame the mother for her thyroid function. It is common to "blame the victim" in many different areas, I have experienced this myself, more than twice.
Sorry, that doesn't pass the muster of V. Looking at the victim is often a wild goose chase in the wrong direction. This is not a debate, it is an alert, from me to you.
The interaction of agricultural pesticides and marginal Iodine nutrition status as a cause of autism spectrum disorders.(Correspondence)
COPYRIGHT 2008 National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences
Roberts et al. (2007) recently reported on the results of their investigation into the relationship between agricultural pesticides and autism spectrum disorders (ASD) and found an association between organochlorines and ASD. One possible mechanism for this relationship is through thyroid disruption (Cheek et al. 1999). There is evidence to suggest that iodine deficiency might be associated with some of the increase in the reported prevalence/incidence of autism (Sullivan and Maberly 2004). For pregnant women who have a marginal iodine nutrition status, the disruption of the thyroid due to exposure to organochlorines could induce iodine deficiency and result in negative effects on the brain of the developing fetus. The U.S. iodine nutrition status has declined markedly over the last three decades, with the current iodine nutrition status among pregnant women being marginal (Caldwell et al. 2005; Hollowell et al. 1998). Because of the current iodine status of pregnant women, the Public Health Committee of the American Thyroid Association (2006) has recently recommended that all pregnant and lactating women take daily iodine supplements. It is interesting that the ASD case mothers tended to be older and more likely to be non-Hispanic white and non-Hispanic black than controls, which is consistent with a poorer iodine nutrition status in older women and in non-Hispanics in the United States (Caldwell et al. 2005; Hollowell et al. 1998).
Ensuring adequate iodine nutrition status of women, especially throughout pregnancy, is an extremely important public health goal. Given the negative effects of a number of environmental chemicals on the thyroid (Zoeller and Crofton 2000), it becomes increasingly important to ensure that all women have an adequate iodine intake and that the recommended approach to assuring adequate iodine nutrition is through a comprehensive iodized salt program (International Council for Control of Iodine Deficiency Disotders/United Nations Children's Fund /World Health Organization 2001; Sullivan 2007).
I seriously doubt all the recent autism has very much to do with the mother being hypothyroid. If you think about it, there are many other places where there are pesticides and lack of iodine, but they don't have an autism epidemic, that much should be clear. Take it from there and make of it what you will. But be wary of obfuscation it is rampant. People are inherently quick to make judgements based on scant info. Otherwise the bible would not have to tell people not to judge :) Usually swallowing some easy explanation hook, line, and sinker, quickly, leads to the wrong conclusion, which is just where some want you to be. Also, those making judgements, sometimes, do not have all of the information, so their conclusions are not accurate. I cannot change that, only express my opinion on the matter for others to go slow in coming to conclusions, the easy quick ones are usually wrong in a complex field such as health. And I am beginning to conclude that people's subconsciouses have been programmed over the years to accept the idea that the victim (in this case the mother) is somehow to blame. That is like you tell the cops you got robbed and they say, "its your fault, you carried $100 with you"
Yes it can be difficult to sift through, among all the obfuscation and come to the right conclusion. But in this instance, its already been done. I can elaborate further but let me leave at at what I wrote, I don't intend to ruffle any feathers, it just happens that way when the truth is presented. Lies are easy to palate and that's an indicator of sorts :) After a while you see a pattern on this stuff if you read it enough, look at the timing, who's doing the writing, etc. Not all see it, otherwise it would not be effective
I understand what you are saying. I've read enough history that I know that information is presented for many reasons, not all altruistic. we lose sight of these patterns when caught up in the minutiae of everyday life.
A good beginning point for those interested in learning more is Ed Bernay's seminal work entitled "Propaganda" published early last century, in it he describes fundamental techniques still in widespread use today in many areas most have no clue about :)
You been scarce lately, I hope all's well. At least I know you have't been near here, otherwise you woulda called.... :)
No,it is not about blaming the victim (the whole family), more an information of how to possibly prevent the devastating situation of seeing your child go from healthy to be an autist. Very few children, if any; are born autistic; it usually happens within the first couple of years. So, there is time.
The vaccines are in my opinion the single most cause of autism, but in these studies it shows that the Iodine "sufficient" women`s children managed through better than the Iodine deficient ones.
In my case, I was borderline hypothyroid when I was pregnant with my first, (now 17 years old). He has a touch of asperger, which is part of the autism range. My teeth was full of Amalgam when pregnant. So, he had a rough start of his life, but did much better after iodine and other supplementation starting when he was 11.
I knew about the vaccine dangers and he never had them. He could just as well have been a full blown autist if I went through with the full innoculation program recommended here, which is about half of the one in US.
With number two I had learned, got out most of the amalgam, took loads of supplements. A little iodine as well (kelp), mostly to loose weight from my first pregnancy:) I believe that was a very lucky move!
Most people want to fight and argue with me when I present them with time-proven rightful knowledge. There was a stage in my learning where I gave a shit, but that's mostly gone :) I'm glad for you at least to have found / learned what you have. Our minds are pretty much the same, A+B+C=D. The issue is that I read a TON of material for a very long time, I have the A+B+C whilst others base their arguments on only A and B as inputs, so their conclusion D is not right. The method of correction involves showing them C. At that stage they know they are wrong but ego prevents them from admitting it, and they still want to fight about it., lol.
There are studies showing that mothers of autistic children were also very defficient in vitamin D. Another study showing all autistic kids have mthfr mutation. All of these just shows how our polluted environment has screwed up our children.
"I demonstrated for the first time, that although biochemical parameters of functioning of the thyroid gland (hormones: TSH, fT3, fT4) were located in appropriate to the age of patients norms, it is a level of iodine at autistic children was indeed reduced, and the level of iodine in urine correlated with some areas from the CARS scale for of specific age groups of children. Examinations showed, that at maturing boys (age group of 11-17 years) level in urine negatively he correlated iodine with the so-called general final sensation of the clinician, described as CARS 15. This result can suggest, that metabolic balance of iodine in the body at such patients she is disturbed what is being manifested as disorders autistic.
From analysis of the ROC curve (Receiver Operating Characteristic) results, that amongst of parameters measured in the examination, i.e. the level jodurii along with thyroid hormones, it is exactly a level of iodine in urine is a most tender and peculiar parameter (AUC = 0.94)."
it's me again. I decided to give this a seperate post because it's something that has kept me busy lately. Long story short:
I've been using iodine lately (started it 3 months ago) where I first used nascent iodine. Had some weird symptoms in the beginning such as coughing up alot of pleghm and stuff. Then I gave iodoral a go, but had some weird frontal sinus pressures (and pressure behind the eyes). Yet, I did feel better when it came to having more energy and stuff (so it definitely did do me some good). However, the dizziness was unbearable (but I was also a bit sick during that time).
There is just 1 thing I cannot get over it, that's the insane tight feeling in my throat. As if something is stuck there, but it just won't go away. I think it started when I had a multivitamin that contained 150mcg of iodide (whilst I have never used anything like that, maybe I was sooo deficient that such a tiny amount would give me a slight feeling as if something was stuck in my throat). Whenever I would supplement with nascent iodine, I coughed and coughed and coughed for 2 weeks (couldn't reaaly sleep). Yet, 2 weeks later, it really cleared up the congestion in my nose, because I don't have trouble breathing through it anymore. As of now, my mucus (which is almost non-existent < or at least not as noticable as before) is also very clear contrary to the beginning where it had weird colors.
The tight throat feeling wasn't so big when I started using 50mg of iodoral but I stopped that because of the dizziness-effect I felt. I do take every co-nutriënt at the given doses (that many other posts have described) but for some reason, the tight feeling in my throat is getting worse lately. I am not even using iodoral anymore, just 1.8mg of nascent iodine until I get another potassium iodide solution. Basically I haven't used iodoral in a month, yet I do think that my throat feeling is getting worse (in the past 2 weeks it came back like crazy). What is my body telling my? I have done different (blood)tests including Anti-TPO tests, which came out good if u ask me (I'll post em to show the values):
Bloodtest 1 (september 2016, after being on iodoral for approx 3-4 weeks, have used some nascent iodine too before that):
TSH 7.5 mU/l range is between 0.3 and 4.2 FT4 16 pmol/l range is between 12 and 22
I always had cold hands (and still have so, which would indicate I'm kind of hypo, yet the doctor told me the results were fine)
Bloodtest 2 (december 2016, stopped iodoral shortly after bloodtest 1 because of the dizziness, but I took it every now and then. Took nascent iodine more consistently):
TSH 6.3 mU/l range is between 0.3 and 4.2 FT4 15 pmol/l range is between 12 and 22
The TSH did go down the 2nd time, I think I read somewhere that TSH goes up temporarily (up to 6 months and can go up to higher values) because the iodine is kicking in?
Bloodtest 3 (also december 2016, was an Anti-TPO test to rule out Hashimoto's):
<28 kU/l (should not exceed 60).
So I think the results seem pretty clear but this throat is killing me, my biggest concern is that may come out to be a goiter? I don't even want to think about that. Can anyone help me out plz, I feel kinda f... up (sorry I just genuinely hate to be going through this right now, but then again: I'm sure I'm not the only one and many people may even have had worse experiences)
- Main indicator that also seems wrong is that I hear noise escaping from my throat, somewhat like a rattle/gurgling. It seems as if it tight constantly, but I can hear that noise definitely from time to time. When air escapes, it gives that weird noise
It has good amounts of B-vitamins in good forms such as P-5-P etc. U can find the info in the link. It does contain 400 mcg of Chromium though, but I use it nontheless.
Before this multivitamin I used another one, but it contained folic acid in synthetic form, aswell as cyanocobalamin b12 https://www.plantina.nl/multi-240tb.html /> - Iodine: Nascent iodine (3 drops of 600 mcg = 1800 mcg daily)
- Salt: Trying to do pushes as often as possible
- Vitamin C: Did take 1g for a while, now I'm at approx 500mg a day
-Selenium Used to take brazil nuts (x2) but now my multivitamin contains 200mcg of this, so I take 1 extra brazil nut (= anywhere between 50-200 mcg, depending on size).
-Vitamin D Used to take approx 1200IU a day, but I am still at 76nmol/l which is 30ng/ml. I am taking 5000IU to see if I can hit higher values (until I reach 40-50) then I cut down to 2000IU-3000IU a day.
-Zinc 37mg 15mg bisglycinate (from Multi) 22mg picolinate (from solgar, use it every other day)
I used the solgar everyday, prior to this multivitamin because that other Multi only contained zinc citrate 10mg daily, so that would mean approx 32mg daily.
I will buy zinc picolinate 15mg and that would put me at 30mg daily
-Copper: I almost never use it, but whenever I do, I always get nausea (dunno why, but I definitely do know that this causes me nausea, could anyone explain why???) 2.5mg
-Magnesium: 400-600mg a day. Mainly citrate, but I also use a complex (since 2 weeks) that contains malate,citrate and glycinate.
-Vitamin E: Mixed tocopherols only 50-100IU a day. I don't want to dose too high on this, so I take low doses.
-Vitamin K2: 200mcg as MK7 (used it every day, but now using it once every 3 days) 45MG (yes u read that correctly 45000mcg) as Mk4 (I'm only doing this for 4 months, but that's another story)I will eventually cut this back to 5-9 mg daily
-Fish Oil 3 capsules a day providing: 2g EPA 1g DHA
Will cut this back to 1.8 EPA and DHA combined, so i.e. 2 capsules a day.
- Taurine: 1000mg to 2000mg a day
- Choline: 250-400 mg a day
- Inositol: 250-500 mg a day
- Boron: 2mg during off periods and 9mg during cycling periods
-cycling 3 days on and 3 days off (Thursday, Friday and Saturday are the days I am using it)
on the other days I only get 2mg boron (from the Multi)
If u have any other questions, plz let me know. I just hope someone can help me clarifying on what's happening to my throat. BTW, the sensation did start a bit prior to supplementing first (or at least when I started using the first stronger multivitamin, again: maybe because of the potassium iodide which I have never gotten before from a supplement even though it was only 150 mcg).
I am only like 3 months far now, doing this full protocol. Every now and then I started adding something to the regimen.
You might just need another form of copper. For instance, I handle copper gluconate and citrate okay, but glycinate makes me want to throw up. Hubby handles glycinate just fine, though. I always take copper with plenty of water and a meal.
Your TSH is not okay. The closer you get it to 1.0, the better you'll feel. TSH does rise to help production of sodium-iodide symporters (NIS), which are how Iodine gets inside the cell. More Iodine being ingested means more NIS are needed.
However, when you're troubled with worry about a goiter, perhaps your thyroid could use some help. You should be able to feel a goiter with your fingers. Place them on either side of your windpipe close to the notch in your collarbone. Extra tissue there might be a goiter.
I did get a goiter which did not go away no matter how much iodine I carefully used. It was a blessed relief to start taking thyroid medication and have the goiter leave.
1) The doctor didn't say anything extra/specific about my TSH. That's so odd, I just didn't trust him on what he said. Maybe he didn't say anything, because at my age it might be more uncommon for people to have problems with their thyroid (aged 24) (I dunno, maybe that's just ignorant thinking and stupid of me but it's just a speculation) However, my TSH did show lower results on the second measurement (did stop iodine for a while during that period and before that). Somewhere on the internet, I read that a doctor said not to be concerned too much when first supplementing iodine, because it might induce higher TSH levels because of supplementation (at first). All of that should subside later on. I will definitely continue iodine and see what happens. I will up my dose to 25-50mg of iodide daily and use 1.8mg of nascent iodine (elemental iodine) with it. I dunno if that's too low on the (elemental) iodine part however. I just wonder whether I should add it up to 3mg daily (of nascent iodine).
2) Regarding the copper thingy, I'm so glad u pointed that out, because I just looked at the supplement and I've seen it's indeed a glycinate form. This one makes me nauseous indeed. It contains 2.5mg of bisglycinate copper. The Multi itself contains 750mcg, which is 0.75 mg. Together that would add up to 3.25mg. I just hope it's not too much. I take approx 30-37mg zinc with it (on a daily basis). I could pulse dose the copper and use it every other day. I will switch to another brand, perhaps that might help. Other brands contain typically 2mg of copper, which would add up to 2.75mg total.
3) Regarding the goiter thingy, I did place my hand there, and I don't feel anything in particular. Should the goiter have a special feel to it? I mean, I don't wanna fool myself but I don't think (and also hope) I feel a thing there.
4) More importantly: I went to the doctor today and kind of more demanded that he send me to a (throat)specialist. He agreed and they will take a look at my throat. Should they be looking at anything specific or is there a good chance that if they take a look, and let's say, perhaps find nothing. Then should that be a good indication that there isn't really going on down there, or should they do more checks. Ugh, as of typing this, I just feel so confused on what to do. It kinda pisses me off that the doctor is leaving it up to me (while he is the expert), he did however agree so I'm sorry I don't wanna come off as being ungrateful/unthankful but now I realize all too much that being healthy is one of life's greatest gift. Thanks people, and excuse me if my English sucks a bit.
5) Now that I read my post again, regarding point 4: I just meant to ask whether it was wise to ask for something like an ultrasound or anything? Would that rule out any possibilities of having something. I.e. what kind of investigation do I need to undergo (gold standard wise) to diagnose anything as good as possible (if there is such a thing).
FYI I used nascent Iodine for a couple of months time in the beginning; caused constant throat pain. Quit and returned to Lugols (taken with vitamin C). After that next to no throat pain in the 10 years of supplementing.
It may be the nascent Iodine indeed. One thing though, today the "insane feeling" in my throat isn't that big as compared to yesterday, altough I'm scared it might just fluctuate as badly and that it may return at full force anytime soon. However, one thing I did different then other days is that I took more salt yesterday through a push. I know that I consume more salt lately, but I did take it seperately and took about half a teaspoon of salt yesterday. The feeling in my throat seems to have subsided a bit. Could there be link???
It can be tricky to assign links between what you take and any reactions you get. Some are obvious, some not so much. Find a course that makes sense and stick with it long enough to develop a sense of what your body needs.
Salt and water, yes. 1/2 tsp salt is great, with 2-3 liters of water.
Vitamin C, B vitamins, and some minerals, yes. Especially magnesium and selenium.
Consider stopping the nascent Iodine to trial Ginagirl's suggestion. Far better to avoid unnecessary testing if stopping the nascent cures your throat pain.
Iodine as Lugol's with Vitamin C or as SSKI are time-proven.
Thank you, I'll try that out and bring a report on how that goes.
By the way, I think I have had bloodtest results like from couple of years ago (regarding TSH and FT4). This was prior to any supplement I took, because it was way back earlier then. I think I had lower TSH (within range), I don't know it for sure (but I will find soon hopefully). Would that mean it's okay, if Iodine rised my TSH so much? Is it something I should worry about (even though I mentioned the temporary rise was possible myself, because I read it somewhere? Could there be another culprit for the rise?
Oh and on a sidenote, is it very possible to reverse something like hypothyroid to a normal working thyroid as if u never had thyroid problems? I just wonder if people had any succes with it. Would that also mean, once u go off the iodine, it would full reverse to going hypo again, or would that take some time because the body is saturated with Iodine (once u complete supplementing and provide the body of the nutriënt it needs)? I know these questions may sound weird, but I just wonder how the body would function/respond to such a thing (THEORETICALLY). Thanks again, I really found all the help so valuable. It definitely has kept me from making a couple of mistakes lately. Something we all need a push in the right direction, I feel.