It's me again. I wanted to get some thoughts on something that has occured lately. Since 4 weeks I started using Iodine again and I am amazed at how much sskki I can tolerate now (like approx 100mg daily). I use:
- 12.5mg daily (3 times a week)
- and on 2 days I use 100mg of SSKI and 1800 mcg of nascent iodine. It's a pretty hefty dose for me. I do all the companion nutrients, salt pushes (regurlary but maybe not often enough) etc. (I posted some other topics, where I use alot of supplements)
However, these is just 1 problem that has occured lately: my left eyelid is twitching sometimes and it's a bit heavier then I experienced before. It's just a sudden twitch, but doesn't happen all day long. It just comes and goes, but I'm almost positive that it came after I started Iodine again, because prior to that I continued to use all of the other supplements. The only thing I changed right now is:
- 12.5mg daily = 1 iodoral tablet (3 times a week)
- 100mg Iodide (4 drops SSKI = 4 x 25mg) and 1800 mcg nascent Iodine (3 drops nascent iodine = 3 x 600mcg)
2 times a week
- 2 days off while continuing the companion nutrients.
I just wonder, why do I experience these symptoms? Could anyone take a guess?
It's so weird though. I am so sure that I get at least 400mg of magnesium daily, but I also work out heavily. On those days, I also apply topical magnesium oil. I take bigger doses orally and that would put me at 800-1000mg total (only on heavy workout days). The complex I am using right now is from Innate (http://eu.iherb.com/pr/Innate-Response-Formulas-Magnesium-300-Powder-4-7-oz-132-g/64716). U can find the info in the link, it's a blend of citrate, malate and glyicate.
Before this brand, I used the it's NOW one (used glycinate, but didn't like that one, so mainly citrate). Got some laxative effects on higher doses.
It's malate, so it might be less laxative and it has 500mg per serving. 100 doses per bottle, seems like a good deal right?? I don't know whether malate is a good source though, I read it was but could u confirm this for me?
If you are using topical magnesium oil and taking 400mg magnesium per day, the only thing I can assume is that you are working out too hard or the 400mg magnesium you're taking isn't well absorbed (though a blend of citrate/glycinate/malate should be pretty good). When I had the worst eyelid twitching of my life, I was taking 400-800mg Magnesium Glycinate per day. But once I started using Magnesium Oil topically it went away, so it's weird to me you have the twitching and also use magnesium oil!
If you want to truly find out if your problem is caused by mangesium, I would recommend Remag:
I do have to mention that I did have crazy long days in the gym (sometimes 2-3 hours) but I don't do it that often anymore, because I know 1 hours is enough and more may even decline in results. However, I did switch to another brand. Maybe I need to switch again and see what happens.
I ONLY apply topical magnesium on workout days, and even when I do: it's only approx 300-450mg that I spray on the body. The rest of the magnesium I further supply with supplements and food. That would put me at 800-1000mg for that day.
Lately I may have been more sloppy and only went for 600-700 a day, I don't know. I do know that when I started Iodine again, for some reason I experience these symptoms. Don't get me wrong though, I do not "blaim iodine", since it has given me very good results but I think it may even push the body further in the need of magnesium. Just a theory and again, I don't know for sure. Anyhow, I'll try and get that magnesium u mentioned, but would the magnesium I put in the link also be a good contender? It's malate, isn't malate a bit better then citrate in terms of absorption and side effects (such as loose stools), could u perhaps help me out on that?
Magnesium malate is a good form, but I can't use it before bed. Magnesium citrate is good for me then, though some people use magnesium taurate or glycinate before bed. My bowel tolerates malate slightly better than citrate. So far, ReMag is on the form that gave me absolutely no bowel problems. Even magnesium bicarbonate, called "magnesium water," which you get by mixing Milk of Magnesia into seltzer water and which is not supposed to affect the bowel, ultimately does affect my bowel.
So you push all the magnesium forms til the stool is very soft and no further. Sometimes what you eat will then cause more firmness or looseness, but you always have a center to go back to.
Could I perhaps ask why u can't tolerate Malate before bedtime, is it because it gives u energy/keeps u awake or something else?
I'll definitely give the ReMag a go, because after u and lolwow responded, I decided to go higher with the magnesiumcomplex.
For the past couple of days I went as far as 1000mg, and even though the twitching isn't completely gone, it's certainly less often occuring.
I assume we push the magnesium until loose stool happens (because that is the symptom of having reached the limit/overdose/nearly near that) but make sure we get well saturated enough with the magnesium??
Thanks again, u people really helped me out tremendously!
Woo hoo, Happy Birthday !! I remember when I started this thing with W ant T it was about Iodine, but clandestinely at least from my side, it wasn't about Iodine it was a Health Revolution and you can see what has happened in the past 10 years outside of this forum, much of which came from here, where things are now. See, you have to work in secret ways, to get secret things done, kinda like "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" I mean, the enemy does it all the time and if they didn't have any resistance, what fun would it be for them ? How boring would their jobs be ? They'd just roll everybody over and have a shitty existence. So, the Health Jedi move on, forward. Gaining strength on some fronts, pulling back on others. Many detractors initially, all were defeated, like "Moreless" or that herbal forum dude we passed up by millions of page reads, who attacked us saying our dicks would fall off, whatever. Iodine is like, a gateway supplement, once you take iodine, it leads you to other healthy things. Congratulations if you've made it this far. I feel better than ever, ten years later. Woo hoo, I don't gamble, don't do p 0 r n, don't drink much and am a fairly boring person. But I never took v1agra either and at 56 now, can't find a single grey hair on my head. Guess I'm just lucky. Iodine has been good to me. I take a gram dose about once every two months. And about 20 drops of Lugols every two weeks or so. Initially I took a lot , like others but I never did large amounts for a long time. Always made sure I had adequate selenium and vitamin C. Usually by eating sardines, they're a good source of selenium. Well, be well you all and remember - no v1agra necessary, just cut the toxins out the diet. I probably been a big dicck a lot of times on here but it was for a reason to pound thoughts into others' heads. If some want to call me a big dicck, I'm good with it, lol. Happy Birthday Iodine Forum , where's Wombat ?
I've been supplementing with Iodine for a little over a month, taking 16 drops in water once per day in the morning in addition to all the supplements recommended here on this amazing forum. When I wasn't taking the supplements (especially vitamin C), I broke out is HUGE zits that were really awful. Thanks to all the work of the pioneers here, I've been able to benefit from Iodine and avoid a lot of the negatives. I also credit myself for spending a year and a half working on clearing all my organs of toxins (I'm not done with detoxing yet, but I'm close.)
But what I really wanted to do is to post a testimonial about my experience with face painting because there really isn't all that much information about it on curezone. I've suffered from 10+ years of discoloration on my face that looks like big blotches of dirt. It has been caused by a lot of things: I've had acne my entire adult life (it started when I was 10 years old, and I've still got it at 36). I used retin-a as a child and I believe that it contributed to a lot of sun damage. I also used birth control pills which contributed to hormone imbalance. Other hormone imbalance was caused by an underactive thyroid gland AND a malfunctioning liver.... But I digress.
So, I started painting my face with Iodine because, hey, it couldn't hurt. Well, I mean, it could hurt (as others warned here on this forum), but I figured the risk was worth it. And they weren't kidding! The first few times it stung really bad. REALLY bad. I quickly learned that I needed to wash my face, apply moisturizer and vitamin E oil, and then paint once. And then let my face slough off the dead skin (usually 2-3 days later).
I've looked awful these past 3 weeks (that's how long I've been doing it). But the results are nothing less than miraculous! Here's my routine--I paint on Friday night and Saturday morning. 2 times on one weekend. The next day, Sunday, my face is pretty raw (like I got an acid peel--those awful procedures that dermatologists claim help with melasma--which NEVER do). Monday, my face is actively peeling. And Tuesday's the same. By Wednesday and Thursday, my skin starts to return to a more normal color (it's pretty pink/red).
I'm pretty brutal to my face on Monday and Tuesday--I like to sit in a hot bath and let the dry scaly skin soften. Then I run my fingernails over everything. What comes off is black--black skin. The dead, discolored, awful skin that I've been agonizing over for years.
I've seen huge patches of skin--especially on my left temple (where I got some of the worst sun damage, probably b/c that's the side the sun hit my face when I drove to work)--literally turn from black to dark brown to white. This is happening all over my face. I don't remember ever having white skin, skin that I could face the world with. I've always covered it up with makeup because it's so mottled. And now, I'm joyously looking forward to the day when I can go outside without covering it up.
Some people here claim that iodine will scar you. And that definitely hasn't happened to me. Other people claim that it can remove moles--and I've seen moles on my face get super inflamed, watched their 'roots' come out, and then seen them never completely go away; they just fade to a much lesser version of themselves. I know that everyone's skin is different. And everyone is at a different place in their healing journey, so what has worked for me might not work for someone else. (I hope, however, that this posting does help someone.)
I'll keep you posted on my progress. I imagine that it'll take at least a few more months before I see real healing. I'm just so totally thrilled! I've read that skin has 16 layers (does it?), so maybe it'll take me 16 weeks to peel through all of them. Or perhaps there's some other magic number. Who knows. What I do know is that my body is healing at a remarkable rate, and I credit my 16 drops of iodine every morning.
My parting thought is that I don't think I'd have benefited from iodine half as much as I have if I hadn't spent the past year and a half cleansing my colon, my liver, my kidneys, my gallbladder, my stomach of candida and mucus build-up. I believe that it's the reason that although I've suffered from terrible acne most of my life that I barely breakout at all supplementing with iodine. And, of course, all the companion stuff (selenium, salt pushing, tons of vitamin c, etc.) has been KEY.
Yes, I agree that I am pushing it a bit by running my nails over my face. Part of the reason I do this is because the peeling is pretty unsightly. Also, the Iodine causes the discoloration to get super dark (MUCH darker than it was). It requires a lot of makeup to cover it all up. After I run my fingernails across it and take off the dead skin, the discoloration is off so the darkness goes away.
BTW: I know how this must sound too good to be true. And some people probably won't believe me. If it wasn't happening to me, I wouldn't believe it could happen at all. The thing is, I am constantly 'proving' it's working to myself--I identify a place on my face with a particularly shaped discoloration, and I check it repeatedly before and after the painting/sloughing. I've seen whole sections completely vanish. (It took me 3 weeks to decide to post here. And I finally did tonight because I'm finally sure it's happening--and not just wishful thinking.)
I've been following your threads for a month or so--reading all I can about Iodine supplementing. So, I've definitely heard about your famous Wombat cream! I plan on making some of it when I'm finished healing my skin. I'm looking forward to maintenance and healing when I'm done detoxing.
In answer to your question about other benefits I've had on iodine--I've only been on it one month. Actually, I started at the beginning of June at a very low dosage. That was not good! My breasts were very sore, my skin broke out HORRIBLY (at first, I didn't take the companion supplements and salt flushing--and that was a huge, huge mistake). And I had a lot of other difficulties--so many that I stopped completely to enable my cysts on my face to heal. I was a little scared off at that point.
Then, at the beginning of July, I decided to start dosing at 8 drops and to take all the companion nutrients. The first couple days, I got sore breasts Then, my period came early and was really incredible--SO much bleeding, more than I've ever bled before in my life (and I'm a bleeder). Toward the middle of my period, I seemed to slough off some cyst or something from my uterus (sorry to be gross)--when I changed a tampon a weird fleshy mass with a blood blister in the middle came out. Wow. (I had an abortion a few years ago, so perhaps I was detoxing from that?? I've also had a couple ovarian cysts in my life--maybe it was one of those?)
I've had a foggy mind for a while (I believe this is related to candida, which I'm curing now, thanks to iodine). During my first week at 8 drops (July 1-8), I didn't feel much clearer in my head like so many people claim. So I upped my dose to 16 drops (July 9). My mind has been slow to clear, but I definitely feel a difference. My energy has been pretty good for a while now, so I haven't noticed much of the euphoria that so many here claim to experience (sigh). 16 drops has been fine. I got a huge cyst, but just one and it has mostly cleared now. About a week into this higher dose, I got a dull ache in my solar plexus area for about 2 days--right where people do the mesentery painting (July 16). (Soon after, I tried mesentery painting but I really didn't feel anything, so I stopped.)
Um, what else? As I mentioned before, my skin is healing at an incredible speed. When I break out minor (regular) acne (like I have my whole life), the acne clears in a few days, if that. (It used to take several weeks for the sores to clear.) The bottoms of my feet--all of the calluses--are peeling off and I'm getting fresh skin like I had when I was younger. (I'm not sure if it's related to Iodine or the fact that I recently started drinking distilled water.)
My gray hairs aren't turning brown yet. Maybe they're next! I hope so.
Oh, and the first week or so on Iodine my eyes really watered, like they were drying out. And then they cleared and the whites became super white--so white that people commented on them (they've always been a little bloodshot).
Thanks for the great information. Here is a bit of info for you.
I had 2 bee stings on my leg last year about June time frame and I put Iodine on a bandage and applied to my skin over the stings. I react bad to stings and bug bites. I usually do not swell up until 24 hours later and I do mean swell up and have to have a shot to stop the swelling. There was a small amount of swelling 24 hours later but the skin boiled up. I had 2 boils at one sight and 1 at the other sting sight. I then drained the boils. Instead of my entire leg swelling the sight blistered from the iodine. It took several months for the skin to heal up to the point that it did not look nasty. I had two very square raised scars over the winter months. One year later, and the scars are fading finally and look like light colored birth marks. I should have posted pictures last year when it happened but did not think it all important then. I've pretty much decided that Iodine needs to breath on the skin. Covering it so tightly might have been a mistake but then again it may have caused the Iodine to work it's wonders on the stings and keep me from having to visit the E.R.
I paint my neck and chin with Lugol's quite often with no burning but if I get it into my cheek area it burns like snockers! Then my eyes tear up too! Wombat cream is the dream for my cheeks.
Hi. What's the recipe for Wombat cream? Also, new here and just recently started supping with 2% Lugols. Started with just 3 drops in a shot glass of filtered water. Am taking vitamin C, but none of the other companion supps-- can someone tell me what salt flushing is? Also, what is the best strength to begin with as far as Iodine supping goes? I am grateful for this message board and thank you all! 10 years+ Lymes and possible Morgellons now coming to a head. Blessings and healthy days to all :*)
Honestly, I've never been clear what is meant by salt flushing. I do use unprocessed salt in all the water I drink, though, a total of about 1/2 tsp and 96 oz water.
The "W" in VWT Iodine is Wombat, and she formulated an Iodine cream that we fondly called Wombat cream. She has occasionally offered to make her creams for us, but right now is otherwise engaged. It seems at one time there was mention of a recipe being posted by someone, so you might search on Wombat cream or Iodine cream.
The best strength of Lugol's to start with is the one that you'll use. You're already on 2%, and that's fine. The only other one to consider is 5%, which you should order the next time.
As you raise your dose, you'll have more and more a need for magnesium. Add that to your supplement list.
I started supplementing with Iodoral plus companion nutrients back in mid-Nov and worked my way up to 50/75mg. I experienced no obvious signs of detox. I took 100mg one morning and later that day started to feel dreadful - awful headache, visual disturbance and generally feeling rubbish which I assumed was detox. I felt fine the next day but dropped back down to 75mg as it had stopped me working. Ever since then I have taken 75mg or 50mg each day.
My question is should I continue with the dose I have been taking or do I need to increase it? Am I getting the full benefit of the Iodine if I do not go through the detox?
No, you're not getting the full benefit Iodine if you don't go through the detox. Your symptoms say there are Iodine receptors that are NOT full of iodine, but rather something noxious. Best get rid of it. However, there's more than one way to detox slowly so you can keep working.
First, figure out how to take 75 mg each and every day. You may be using the 50 mg Iodoral and breaking them in half to get 75 mg.
Another way to slowly get up to 100 mg would be to buy the 12.5 mg tablets for intermediate doses. So, you could use 50 mg + 12.5 mg (total 62.5 mg). When you're steady, move up to 1-1/2 x 50 mg (total 75 mg). The next step would be 1-1/2 x 50 mg plus 12.5 mg (total 87.5 mg). When you're solid on this every day, move up to 2 x 50 mg (total 100 mg).
If you need smaller steps, break the 12.5 mg tablets so you can raise by just 6.25 mg.
I think when you're going low and slow it's best to learn to be steady on a single dose, not go back and forth. The detox should then be at a tolerable level, so you barely notice it. Keep within what you can tolerate and just know it will take a very long time to achieve your goal. But that's okay -- you were planning to stay on Iodine for the rest of your life anyway :)