I'm sorry if this is an oft-repeated question but I was wondering if brushing teeth with coconut oil would give the same results as oil pulling. I have tried oil pulling for several weeks but I swallow some of the oil each time. Because of this, I get a stomach ache everyday and my dark circles have gotten much worse.
I recently found a recipe for a DIY toothpaste online. The main ingredient is CO and the others are baking soda and essential oils. I would like to know if this would be as effective as oil pulling for oral health and gut health.
I have been oil pulling each morning for 5 days now organic cold pressed sesame oil.
From time to time I get a genital herpes outbreak - usually if my diet gets off balance or I eat too much sugar. Neither of which is the case currently but at day 2 of oil pulling I started getting a bad outbreak and wonder if this is a detox result. Has anyone else heard of or experienced this reaction.
I have noticed that sometimes the symptoms of health issues I've had become more pronounced. From what I've read that is a good sign that healing is happening. So I look at it as a positive and go through it to come out of it even better.
HI. Don't know if you're a male or female, but over the yers, I have noted from friends most of the time for an outbreak of herpes happens a few to several days before menstruation. Are you certain your outbreak is from OP-ing? Maybe keep a diary for a few months.
No other ideas. Unless of course, stress. If you used to be very regular, can you think back, would this time be near what used to be your period? My friend swear by that although she is menopausal, she still breaks out at the same times.
You may be right although i must admit i can't remember my cycle - it's been years.
However it was a ver full moon recently and we have had a bit of financial stress - always a hot spot of me. I was just really hoping it was a reaction of the oil pulling. I am doing ACV since november '07, a spoon of molasses morning and night (for constipation) and Budwig's fals oil and cottage cheese for good measure. i must admit my digestion is getting much better and the brain fog or looginess is also lifting nicely. HOORAH for alternative remedies!!
Are there any adverse reactions with OP?
Dr Karach said: “some people in whom various illnesses are simultaneously manifest, an
apparent worsening of condition is possible. This is due to primary infection first being depleted,
causing secondary infections to dominate temporarily. After a few days secondary infection will
disappear while another may be stimulated into activity. Such symptoms are usually apparent in
persons suffering from chronic or terminal illnesses. Under these circumstances Dr Karach
recommends that the affected person steadfastly continues the treatment even if fevers are
initiated. Dr Karach maintains just when these symptoms appear the oil treatment will facilitate
rapid healing. Should the treatment be broken for one reason or another the overall effects will be
slowed down. For these reasons Dr Karach maintains that an apparent worsening of health is an
excellent sign that disease is progressively being removed from the body”.
Examples: To cite examples: - (a) Itching of the skin during infection and inflammation of an
injury or wound and the same itching may be present in an aggravated manner during cure of the
wound/injury. (b) A bone breaks due to an accident. The pain at the time of setting is more severe
and also during the process of healing.
Advice on how to deal with healing reactions
· Do OP as usual or increase to two or three times a day or even stop for a few days
depending on the severity and your reaction.
· Take medicine under the advice of a doctor for a minimum period, for relief and continue
OP after the reactions is over.
· It is not necessary that there will be healing reactions for all cases. Most of the cases are
chronic and the patient has been suffering for long and possibly under treatment. Healing
reaction appears more severe and one gets the feeling that disease is aggravating. At
such time one is inclined to stop OP, do not stop but continue OP. This is a sure sign
before cure. Recognize it as a reaction and continue OP and you will be cured with in a
short time and you will know the state of disease free health which makes you happy.
I had a similar thing take place although it was in the form of a large mouth sore that my doctor said was HSV. Mine occured shortly after I began oil pulling, too (probably in the first couple of weeks) and went away after a l-o-n-g ten or so days and has not returned. I do remember that I had started adding some oil of oregano (ooo) to my "base" oil (probably sesame at the time).
I read some stuff on ooo that suggested that it could "force" dormant HSV infections up and out, and that people had experienced the permanent expulsion of herpes from their bodies. (For clarity, I had never had any herpes outbreak before, oral or genital.)
My opinion is that early on in oil pulling, it can get some serious stuff out of our bodies. I think that it continues to be powerful, but that maybe it "gets" the strongest stuff at first? Or we have a powerful detox reaction like yours, mine, and lots of other peoples' because this is a brand-new way to get at the toxins?
I think you can reasonably expect it to come and go (as a detox reaction) and that it won't be re-ignited as you continue to OP. The other thing I'd suggest thinking about is adding, down the road, some ooo. I have kept using it on and off and have never had another sore.
That early strong and painful reaction to OP is why I always suggest that newcomers try the basic protocol for a couple of weeks (1x/day, 15-20 mins., using sesame or sunflower oil) -- I got really excited about OP and wanted to get everything out fast and I wonder if the sore wasn't the price I paid (not that I think you are doing anything wrong -- I was just OP'ing morning, noon, and night as if in a small amount of time I could remove all of the years of junk that must be in me!).
Thanks Laura for your always knowledgeable advice. I have had no problem with herpes outbreak, before or after starting OP-ing. I was replying to another poster's message. I OP once in the morning with mainly sesame oil, sometimes coconut, if I remember. No strange happenings, but feels good.
Just wondering how you're doing and if you had any more cold sore outbreaks. I am oil pulling for the second time in my life at age 40. I tried it a couple of years ago, but stopped after 2 weeks. This time, I've been doing it for 3 weeks, and my teeth are super white now. I wake up feeling very rested, too. I went through the cold-like symptoms the first week...but during the third week I developed a big cold sore on my upper right lip. I have NEVER had a cold sore before...and never has any sign of the herpes virus in my body. The oil pulling is the only explanation as to why I am seeing this now (I'm single with no recent kissing in past months).
So, please tell me if you continued with oil pulling...and if you got rid of the herpes virus (or if it went dormant again). I'm really worried I've awakened recurring infections. It's a terrible experience. Right now, I'm blaming the oil pulling but I hope if I keep it up I'll work through it and the virus will go away forever. Please tell me there's hope! Thank you.
I've just started OP about 14 days ago. I do sesame oil in the am and sunflower in the pm. After the first day, I woke up with 5 cankers, which is very unusual for me. I've only had multiple cancers once before in my life. I was tempted to quit, but reassured myself by saying this was a toxic pull reaction. In a day or two the cankers were gone. The next thing I noticed was my hair went very, very oily; which I have NEVER had happen in my life. My hair has always been "normal". That seems to have subsided after four or five days. I've also noticed that my teeth have started looking like the clear bottom sections of them (a sign of osteoporosis when your teeth are becoming translucent)..anyway they seem to be filling in looking more solid,(although I cannot say why or that it has strengthening benefits). Now, I'm getting some herpes like tingling in my fingers (I've had this before years ago); I am taking Lysine to fend it off, but I do think the oil pulling is working through these things. I will say this, although the jury is still out...I've felt a million times better in the past two weeks than in the months before when I was suffering from serious, chronic headaches. Also, during this oil pulling, I have been tending to my teenage daughter who has been VERY ill with everything from strep to bronchistis to viral meningitis and I've been trying to keep myself from getting any of those nasties. I think the oil pulling has helped me there. I did have a low grade sore throat and slightly swollen glands, but along with oil pulling, I've been doing fresh garlic by the TB full and gargling with Colloidal Silver . Those symptoms are now gone, so I think I'm in the clear (knock on wood). Today, I've noticed my tongue is all white almost like thrush...no doubt more oil pulling de-tox going on. I'll post more later.
On a slightly negative note, I've noticed I'm getting leg cramps (a problem along with twitching of the calves, that I've experienced before). They got bad enough for me to wonder if OP pulls any of the necessary minerals out of your body inadvertently, (while pulling out the heavy metals etc). Anyway, I started taking Magnesium and they are much better. Just a thought.
I think you should switch up oils. Try coconut oil...people with herpies of any kind are really sensitive to nuts and seeds. Coconut will actually help to relieve the symptoms. I'd also triple your lysine intake....
Speculation that microorganism's biofilms could be penetrated in and fragmented with ClO2. I speculate that biofilms are so
superficial to any treatment ( so as antibiotic or antifungal
as home remedies ) that these treatments are only produce remission state which could be maintained by some addiction or depenedency on that home remedy or healthy food or mixed life-style ( compromising between obligations in daily work in unhealthy environment and a lot of efforts invested in
healthy food preparation like wheatgrass juice or sprouts ).
The main issue here I see is that with alternative treatments or chemical treatments we just succeed to improve microorganism's ability to adapt with special protective forms of living in human gut ( biofilms on intestinal lining ).
So how to approach to this problem if we hypothesize the biofilms in our gut are the facts. And this way we are always target ( is is just matter of the time and conditions when biofilms society open and release the living organisms through the body - end of remission state entering active ilness phase )?
Has anybody who tried with MMS protocol done some speculations in this directions and have any arguments that can enlighten treatment of biofilms in gut
( specially in chronic disease like prolems with sinuses
or Candida problems - waves of remission and accute
from what I can see the jury is still out on Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , but it's leaning in the direction of unfavorable. There are many unfavorable blogs, comments (on forums like this one) and worries expressed by experts and nonexperts regarding possible side effects of using this type of treatment. There are also folks who really seemed to have benefited from it. If I were interested in using it, I would research it more heavily first, and use it with caution. I would also NOT assume that unfavorable body responses (vomiting, rashes, etc) are just a result of die-off. Make sure you have a doctor who can monitor the use of the treatment, and your response.
Seems to me like Colloidal Silver , there are side effects, and one needs to keep this in mind when ingesting it.
It's good that we have places like these to discuss these things!
It's interesting to see your comment on Miracle-Mineral-Supplement and mucus, so perhaps you can offer some guidance. I have not used Miracle-Mineral-Supplement yet, but I'm at a point where all else has failed and all the doctors say the same thing "sorry, but there's nothing more we can do for you". It has become apparent that I need a total internal "fumigation" of sorts, and you appear to have extensive experience with sodium chlorite and/or chlorine dioxide.
My problem is the result of an infection (by multiple bacteria) of the mucosa of the linings all the way from the mouth to the lower intestines. An infection of commensal bacteria, specifically from the Firmicutes phylum, which includes, among others, Streptococcus, Lactobacilli (the same ones that are "probiotics" are also major contributors to dental caries), and Staphylococcus, all of which are potential pathogens despite being native inhabitants.
The mucosal-immune system is very important in maintaining good health, and as mine has been thoroughly corrupted by the infection, my immune system has been completely hijacked. If I have to breakdown mucus at this point, so be it. My situation is akin to cystic fibrosis, but of the GI tract, which at least is easier to access.
I have tried numerous pharmaceutical antibiotics without success. The problem is that Firmicutes are almost all gram-positives, which are much more difficult to treat than gram-negatives due to the structure of their cell wall.
I was actually "prescribed" Miracle-Mineral-Supplement by an alternative health practitioner, but my natural skepticism prevented me from taking it blindly just based on his recommendation. Searching the web only made me more skeptical, as it seems there are either two camps: fanatical, cult-like supporters, or hardened detractors, but no credible research on human consumption anywhere.
So, I have had an unopened bottle each of 22.4% sodium chlorite solution and 50% citric acid "activator" sitting in my closet for a year and a half. Are these still usable?
I had come across one of your other posts that mentioned mucus, and how chlorine dioxide would be ideal for it, (but not for other parts in the body), and that's why I'm reaching out.
I'm uncertain as to how to try to approach this. My gastric mucosa is one of the prime areas I need to target, as well as the oral cavity. Ideally I'd also be able affect the intestines.
I don't mind making the effort to obtain anything (at least that I can afford financially) that will help (ie, hydrochloric acid).
For targeting the mucosal areas, would you suggest chlorine dioxide, sodium chlorite or acidified sodium chlorite?
Sorry for the long post, and thanks for your time.
Thanks for your reply. I will definitely tackle the diet part myself, but that will have to come further down the line, after I've resolved the mucosal infection (if that's possible!).
One of the problems with the diet aspect is that I've become completely carbohydrate intolerant, due to the native bacteria that inhabit the GI tract, including the stomach, which ferment every type of fermentable carbohydrate that I consume (including soluble fiber). This has made proper diet and nutrition very tricky. The same bacterial mechanism that causes tooth decay (ie, acid produced by bacteria that erode the enamel) is now happening to me throughout the entire GI tract resulting in systemic acidosis, which is actually quite serious. I was officially diagnosed by a kidney specialist as being "acidotic" but he, along with all the other doctors I've seen, could not offer a solution.
They couldn't even fathom the origin of the problem, and completely dismissed my explanation. I've managed to get the acidosis under control, finally, so my goal now is to restore the rest of my health and hopefully resume a normal life.
One thing I tried was going low-carb and no-carb for long periods, and I can say with complete certainty that it is very detrimental. Carbohydrates may not be considered essential nutrients, but the brain needs glucose and ketones don't cut it, despite what the low-carbers say. My cognitive function suffered severely.
As far as gut flora, I attempted to resolve that with high doses of probiotics (100 billion CFUs of 16 different strains of Lactobacilli and Bifido), but - and it's only a correlation that I'll never be able to prove, within a month of starting probiotics my problems grew exponentially worse. I have to admit that I bought into the probiotics hype without doing my due diligence, so I've learned some painful lessons the hard way.
If you could help me with the chloite/ClO2 aspect I would be very grateful. I've been going through your old posts trying piece together what sort of dosing schedule that makes sense. I know that no matter what I'm venturing into no-man's land, but at this point I think it's worth it.
The instructions that I was originally given by the alternative doctor, going by memory here, was to take 8 drops of sodium chlorite mixed with 8 drops of the 50% citric acid activator, and some quantity of water (which I don't recall), and do this 3x/day, working my way up to 15 drops 2 or 3x/day (I can't recall exactly) until nausea sets in, then scale back. And to do this for for 2 weeks.
I've also seen suggestions recommending starting with just 1 drop and working up to higher doses. I read one of your early posts where you took 6 drops every 2 hours for 36 hours to attack the flu. My condition is probably going to require either higher doses or longer treatment time, being a chronic condition, and also with it being embedded within the mucosal lining itself.
I'm fully prepared to accept the consequences of using Miracle-Mineral-Supplement (it seems that nausea and diarrhea are the most common), but I would like to at least approach it more methodically and cautiously than how it was introduced to me, which was simply "here take this". I'm a little more cautious and analytical than that.
Can you offer any suggestions to get me started using Miracle-Mineral-Supplement as a bactericidal? I have the impression that plain sodium chlorite is only bacteriostatic while chlorine dioxide is the 'cidal' one, but that ClO2 doesn't last long enough in the body to really be effective. Maybe long enough to take effect in my stomach and intestines though?
I usually refer people to Dr. Terry Wahls. Her diet is designed to rebuild the mitochondria and seems to be beneficial in a variety of circumstances with a variety of ailments.
My efforts with chlorite have evolved. Currently I target 1.0 mg chlorite per kg body weight. The pH of the solution is adjusted to allow some of the chlorite to pass through the stomach while also addressing issues within the stomach with the free chlorine dioxide present in the solution.
The chlorite is cycled. One week on chlorite followed by 2 - 3 weeks on a diet targeted to provide improvement seems to be the sweet spot. This is adjusted according to individual response.
Open each one and in each one add 1.2 ml of your Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . You can pick up some 1 ml or 1 cc syringes to make an accurate measurement.
Now comes the activation. Using a pH meter that is properly calibrated measure the pH of the solution in each jug. The target is a solution pH in the 4.5 - 5.0 range.
This part is a bit tedious so just take your time. While any acid can be used to make the adjustment I use 10% citric acid . You want to sneak up on this and not over shoot. I start by adding something like 3 drops of the acid, stirring the mixture, waiting 10 minutes, then taking another pH reading. Repeat until you reach your target pH.
Distilled water is acidic to start with so you shouldn't need to add much more.
The next step is to add a "pinch" of salt to each of the jugs, put their caps back on, put them in a brown paper bag, and set them aside away from light for a minimum of 24 hours.
Each gallon has 3.8 liters of water. You are going to drink this over a period of 4 days and will be taking in about 1 liter a day. Just sip on it throughout the day.
The goal is health. You need to monitor yourself. If you experience discomfort from taking this solution, stop taking it. Every body is different and some adjustment may be needed.
At the end of the 8 days, start on a diet designed to rebuild health.
For the citric acid , since the "activator" solution I have is 50%, would I need to add 4.5 times more water to bring it down to 10% (I don't trust my math)? I also have undiluted apple cider vinegar on hand.
One other question: do you think this 1 gallon mixture is also suitable as an oral 'cidal' rinse (especially to reach the roots of the teeth), or would you suggest something stronger?
If you measure 20 ml of 50% citric acid and add 80 ml of water to it, you will end up with 100 ml of 10% citric acid .
If your mouth is in good condition this solution will keep it that way. If you have issues in your mouth and teeth you need something a little stronger.
A good mouthwash is made by adding 4 ml of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement in 500 ml of water. To use this take a mouthful and swish for 30 seconds, then spit it out. Activation is done inside your mouth and if you can swish for more than 30 seconds, go for it.
I add a drop of mint for a little "zest" from the mouthwash.
Is the 4ml of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement in 500ml of water the strongest 'cidal' version for someone with issues down in the roots? I'm just wondering if the mouth is acidic enough to release ClO2?
What I need to accomplish is to penetrate down into the roots. I've seen comments from people who've used DMSO, but I don't know if that's a good idea. DMSO will probably carry it into the bloodstream, although I guess it's possible that it will have some effect on the roots along the way. Have you had experience with this, or do you think swishing with plain Miracle-Mineral-Supplement is enough?
I'm wondering if you can offer some feedback? I've used the sodium chlorite mouthwash a few times, but I stopped since I'm not sure how to interpret my experience.
First, before using each time, I brushed and flossed so that it wouldn't be interacting with food particles. Then I swished for 45 seconds. However, after only a few seconds in my mouth I would begin feeling little pockets develop in my gums (similar to if I'd just had pure sugar), then my teeth began tingling all over.
Each time, afterwards, there has been a film of some sort coating my teeth, enough to cause me to brush them again right away.
I'm wondering if this mouthwash is not producing enough oxidative stress to kill the bacteria, but is perhaps just enough to allow the aerobic bacteria to flourish? Most of the oral pathogens are facultative anaerobes (and a few are obligate aerobes), which means they actually prefer an oxygenated environment.
I've also seen no benefits from hydrogen peroxide.
Regarding oxidative therapies, I had some success with chlorhexidine at one point a few months ago, but it seemed to lose effectiveness after about two weeks, so I stopped using it after I finished the bottle (research has also shown that S. mutans develops resistance to it).
Since CHX works along the same lines as bleach I'm assuming that
oxidative therapy can help me. As I understand it, CHX is more potent against oral bacteria than NaClO2, so maybe I need to increase to a higher strength of the mouthwash? Or would you suggest I try a straight ClO2 solution?
Unsure if I have enough experience to give you a definitive answer but according to my research you might want to look into MSM as well. I was getting good results with CDS (less herximer reactions and way better taste, also some bacteria thrive on citric acid . Make your own instructions on Utube.) And DMSO taken orally with CDS, but my family complained of my door. MSM is also known as DMSO2. It has many of the same properties is nontoxic even at high levels and is already oxidized. Not sure if it will carry the CDS into the cell as effectively due to the oxidation but it does penetrate the cell wall. If you are going to try Miracle-Mineral-Supplement I would definitely recommend CDS along with MSM. Buy veterinary supplies. Cheaper and purer than human supplements. No anticipating agents that can diminish effectiveness.
After reading a lot of these oil pulling messages, it seems that most are saying how the teeth have become whiter. What else is oil pulling for? I have no teeth but I do have a dental implant. I'm not having any problems in that dept. I do have COPD. Will oil pulling help that? And I do have a little bit of those pimples on my arms. I've been oil pulling for 1 week now. I used virgin olive oil the first day and then switched to OVC for the next few days and then started on unrefined sesame the past 2 days. I don't feel any different. I do it for around 25 minutes. The oil comes out almost clear, not white. Is that because I don't have the teeth to really mix it up good? Is there any one else here that does it without teeth? And if so, what benefits have you experienced?
OP relieves the build up of bacteria in your mouth. It is the best for "soft tissue" which you seem to have mostly. It's a good thing. You still build up bacteria and you want to get it out instead of swallowing it. The bacteria you swallow is the stuff that creates havoc in your system.
OP is great for all of us that have gums, whether there is teeth in them or not.
We have no idea the depth of healing that OP can contribute to. I'd hedge my bets and go for it.
I suggest you google "Oil Pulling Testimonials." You will be astounded at the ailments it helps! I have been oil pulling for about 3 weeks now. I am also on the coconut oil diet AND Apple Cider Vinegar 3 times daily. My boyfriend laughed the other day when I announced seriously (and I was) "Before I Oil Pulled and took coconut oil, my golf game sucked!" I never played better in my life! I attribute my better game to Oil Pulling AND coconut oil. The ACV couldn't be responsible because I just started that 2 days ago! I had incredibly strong drives, my fairway shots were long and accurate, and my score reflected a very good round!! Less brain fog maybe?
Be sure to read oilpulling.com Good stuff there. Good luck to you!!
I have few teeth but some pain and no dental insurance. Have been pulling for 4 months. Mouth is fresh and breath is nice. Also my panic attacks are no more. My eye floaters became almost eliminated. Have sense of better health and smoother skin. This is a forever routine for me now.
Where can I purchase some ozonated olive oil online? I once bought a small container from Amazon but all the reviews were users using it topically, and when it arrived it specificslly said "not for consumption" on the container so I was worried about taking it. Where can I purchase edible safe ozonated olive oil online? I do not have an ozonater to make my own so I need to buy it pre-ozonated. Thanks
I have been using ozonated olive oil with great success. Been buying it at
a place called promolife
I am told that their hemp oil w/ ozone is stronger than the olive oil. You can ask them, they are good people to deal with. That is where I purchased my ozone generator and related equipment.
Tell them Bob Rynes sent you.
You know I am realizing that his is a very big problem for a lot of people. I'm convinced its not just a few but a problem for the majority of us.
I think someone should go into business and put up chains of clinics across the nation totally informal atmosphere with all the alternative treatments from the Rife machine to Ozone Water Machines to growing wormwood trees or (bushes) on site and allowing the public come in and pic their fresh wormwood along with other herbs from A to Z and cater this to the public. Time to let the cat out of the bag..
Hello, we make ozonated olive oil but it is fully ozonated and very strong. within the next 2-3 months we will be offering partially ozonated olive oil, where it will be ozonated for 40% of the fully ozonated oil.
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