I've had Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome rather bad for the past 3.5 years and about 3 years back my nose became stuffed and has ever since been so. I've tried claritin, citirizine, and zoloft for weeks at a time over the last two months with no effect though i should mention that 6 months or so back i used claritin and it made the congestion go away for the 5 days or so i used it, yet, the congestion resumed shortly after stopping it.
The sicker I feel the more congestion seems to occur and the more i cough, postnasal drip also bothers me.
To be true i don't mind the symptoms much but they seem very peculiar making me wonder if they aren't somehow perpetuating the state of illness im in or even have a hand in causing it.
Histamine. ... ... It probably occurs when you consume food/drink. Whatever you consume quickly e...
It probably occurs when you consume food/drink. Whatever you consume quickly enters your bloodstream and provokes an immune reaction releasing histamine which causes increased saliva and nasal mucous.
This provides urea for the bacterial infection in your stomach which they use to produce ammonia which neutralises your stomach acid and badly affects your digestion of protein and nutrients.
They are extremely resistant and protect themselves with a biofilm.
I am battling this myself. I have had some success but some of it is far more resistant. It's unidentified which makes it very difficult to beat. I know that mine is not helicobacter pylori which is one urease bacteria. There are others. Efflux pump inhibitors would help but the bacteria need to be know to know which ones will work. Quorum sensing inhibitors would help and prevent them strengthening their biofilm but again, they need to be identified to know what will work. All the unknowns make it extremely difficult to beat them.
Histamine is one of the things i plan to ask my functional medicine doc about on my next appointme...
Histamine is one of the things i plan to ask my functional medicine doc about on my next appointment and see if she can order a blood test for. I had a plasma amino acid analysis done two years ago that lists ammonia levels as normal and urea levels as yellow range low if that means anything.
also, since i posted this thread ive set up an appointment with an allergist, any ideas on specific things to ask the allergist about would be welcome.
i have some cladosporium mold in my house that i can't get rid of but im not sure that it's related, been considering staying somewhere else for a few weeks to see what comes of it.
what you say about the pump inhibitors interests me, at one time i had really bad chronic constipation and when i started on betaine hcl and digestive enzymes my bowels returned entirely to normal, i mean it could have been just the enzymes but I doubt it since there was no stomach burning from the hcl, so I agree, the stomach is definitely important to health.
anymore when I take the betaine hcl, even small amounts, I get gut burning. I've tried a lot of things to heal the gut tissue but it hasn't changed. It could also be something to do with the way I was ramping up hcl doses right before I got my current run of chronic fatigue, maybe for once my stomach acid is too high
I've had several stool tests done and have had antimicrobials targeted at the specific bacteria found several times but with no good result
Would an Esophigo Gastro Duodenoscopy help? I hear physicians can use them to take biopsies of the stomach tissue, lets, what methods would you recommend using to detect the stomach bacteria?
Spontaneous Candida Die-Off: My heroic journey and Victory against Systemic Candidiasis
Spontaneous Candida Die-Off
I first began my quest to cure myself of systemic candidiasis near the end of 2008. I had chronic sinusitis, incessant mucus, inability to gain weight, bouts of intense dizziness, low energy, feeling hung over, occasional blackouts, whole body skin fungus and discoloration (Tinea versicolor), whole body pins and needles prickling pain whenever I went into the sun or had an emotional reaction, and ravenous sugar cravings. Life was basically hell and I committed my entire mind, body, and spirit to conquering my adversary. I discovered a miraculous combination that really changed the tide of battle against candida: eating only green leafy vegetables and taking an enzyme product called candex to digest the cell walls of candida. It was so effective that I simply could not believe the amount of candida colonies dying and coming out in my stool. It took tremendous will power to stick to this regimen, but I endured it thinking that it would only last a few weeks to a month. Well, I kept it going for over a year and a half. The candida simply kept dying and my iron will and determination to heal myself gave me strength. I wanted to write a book when I reached a complete cure but this stage simply never came. Make no mistake, however: The results were devastating to candida and I eliminated almost a thousand colonies from my intestinal lining. All my symptoms were cured and never came back with the exception of some remaining white fungus spots on my lower back.
Eventually I had recovered enough and returned to a normal diet, changing my focus to liver flushing (which has been a healing miracle in and of itself).
In of beginning of September 2011 two pivotal shifts occured for me in my final battle against candida: I victoriously completed my 7th liver flush; releasing hundreds of stones of various colors, some as big as olives. I also achieved a most promising sign of improvement: bright, clear green bile! It was the first flush I ever did where the bile released was not murky brown sludge. I noticed vastly improved digestion for about 10 days following this flush.
About a week later, I did my first round of chelation with 50mg DMSA via cutler protocol. I regret waiting so long to chelate because what I discovered, to my greatest delight, was colonies of fungal candida dying and coming out in my stool. Keep in mind I have done very powerful antifungal regimens in the interim and even 15+ cloves raw garlic only occasionally yielded a little die off. So to see DMSA having THIS effect was truly exciting.
In the photo below, you can see the colonies killed from the DMSA beginning with the "S" on 9/11 until about 9/15 (the far upper left corner is leftover from 09). At this point my improved digestion waned away and the colonies stopped dying after the round of chelation. My bile flow was impaired and I began preparation for my 8th flush. On 9/24 I made an incredibly potent ginger miso soup in preparation for my liver flush #8 comprised of 1 entire onion, 7 cloves of garlic, and about 1/4 A POUND of ginger. I added brown rice to slow the digestion and chewed every single piece of ginger. To my greatest delight, this produced candida die-off! However, it too was short lived. Another week of no die-off. Then on 10/1/11 I made another, less potent ginger soup with quinoa. I released the long colony near the left center of the page.
Once again my bile flow occluded and I decided to go really overboard with my ginger miso soup. On 10/6/11 I made a super-human pot of ginger soup with almost an entire pound of ginger in it and ate about 2/3 the pot in one sitting, chewing and swalloing all the ginger. It was like a candistatic ginger bomb. The next morning I released several colonies of candida, (all on the bottom left of the page), and... several bile green blobs of LIVER CANDIDA! The ginger was so powerful that it had automatically unclogged my biliary pathway AND killed candida in my biliary ducts!
Then something very powerful and miraculous happened because it was like my candida suddenly just THREW IN THE TOWEL!! He was like "F*** this S**t I'm OUTTA HERE..."
I ENTERED SPONTANEOUS CANDIDA DIE-OFF!!!!
For the next 3 months, no matter what I ate, drank, did, or didn't do, I had candida colonies coming out with nearly every bowel movement!! The entire page of candida was released in just SIX DAYS:
And the next one, 7 days:
And I have another entire page yet to be uploaded,
AND I'm about 3/4 of my way into a FIFTH page
AND I had time to make the following MASTERPIECE to declare TRIUMPHANT VICTORY over my lifelong HEROIC BATTLE against the demonic alien parasite known as CANDIDA:
When you write the book, don’t forget to mention that there isn’t any prove people pass ”stones” w...
When you write the book, don't forget to mention that there isn't any prove people pass "stones" when doing liver flushes, and also, there isn't any prove that those mucus formations you see in stool are candida. !
lol dvjorge even though I think you’re right about no proof about liver flushes I wouldn’t listen ...
lol dvjorge even though I think you're right about no proof about Liver Flushes I wouldn't listen to quackwatch too much....that's the same site that said there's no such thing as heavy metal poisoning...
lol dvjorge even though i think you’re right about the liver stones and no proof of it.....I would...
lol dvjorge even though i think you're right about the liver stones and no proof of it.....I wouldn't listen too much to quackwatch....that's the same site that said there's no such thing as heavy metal poisoning...
Dvjorge, you are wrong on 3 counts: ... ... 1) You are wrong about the liver flush stones. ... ...
Dvjorge, you are wrong on 3 counts:
1) You are wrong about the liver flush stones.
2) You are wrong about the candida colonies.
3) You are wrong to post such a response in a support forum.
There is an overwhelming case for the intrahepatic reality of liver flush stones as well as an enormous body of anecdotal evidence on this site's archives.
1) The idea that liver flush stones are somehow a product of the flush itself very quickly falls apart when you consider the occurrence of stones with a calcified shell being released in conjunction with the regular stones. When cut in half these stones are jade green. Andreas Moris's wife instantly cured her acute back pain after releasing 100 of these such stones.
2) Oftentimes the stones are passed in conjunction with liver flukes and other parasites of intrahepatic origin, like in my case stones covered in mycelial candida.
3) Stones cease being released after the flushing is complete, accompanied with a cessation of symptoms associated with intrahepatic stones.
4) Some flushes produce no stones; while many have reported releasing stones without flushing at all.
5) The size and amount of the liver stones released are strongly correlated to the diameter range and ratio of the biliary duct network. There are innumerable tiny stones often the size of a grain of sand released, with increasingly fewer quantities the larger the stone is, tapering off to about 1cm, the diameter of the common bile duct.
6) There is a progression to flushing, with improved digestion and cessation of ailments for a brief period followed by a return of ailments and reduction in digestion as the deeper stones progress forward down the biliary ducts and once again occlude bile flow. More stones are released after 6 weeks after a flush than after 2 weeks.
7) There are varying colors of stones released at the same time despite passing nearly clear water due to the purging effects of the epsom salt, and consuming clear oil in the flush drink. Stones stored in the liver from different time periods and composed of different materials are released at the same time. There are also different colors of stones passed from flush to flush.
8) People, such as myself, have passed stones immediately after consuming the flush mixture.
9) People have passed stones on the eve of the flush before taking any mixture.
10) People have passed stones during the apple juice preparation phase.
11) People have passed stones from coffee enemas.
12) People have passed stones from eating several avocados.
13) People have passed stones from drinking carrot juice after prolonged water fasts.
14) The time of passage through the gastrointestinal tract is insufficient for saponification and formation of stones due to the laxative effect of epsom salt. Contractions of the gallbladder are felt just minutes prior to releasing the stones.
15) Some stones are clearly observed to be comprised of smaller stones that have clumped together over time, correlating to the formation of intrahepatic stones where smaller stones from the smaller biliary ducts clump together with other smaller stones as the ducts merge together into a larger duct.
16) Some tubular formations are released with hollow centers resembling the tubular shape of biliary ducts.
17) There are direct physical sensations of stones leaving the liver and gallbladder and traveling down the intestines.
18) Upon releasing stones, there is permanently more room to breathe, and more room for the stomach to expand and comfortably hold more food.
19) Completely flushing the liver until no more stones are released is directly and strongly correlated to the cessation of longstanding symptoms associated with intrahepatic stones.
Considering all the above, it should be overwhelmingly evident to any reasonably thinking individual that the origin of the liver flush stones is indeed intrahepatic.
Now consider some of the counter arguments from the proponents of the fecal soap cult: "Fecal dye" accounting for the various colors of the stones (what about passing only clear water prior to passing stones?) ,"Undigested cellulose" accounting for tubular waxy formations with a hollow center (once again, what about the fast beforehand and the absence of intestinal debris?), "calcium oxalates from the carrot juice" accounting for calcified stones (this one has got to be the most ridiculous. Does anyone really believe that calcium from carrot juice can coat a liver stone with a hard white shell in the 20 seconds it takes to exit the intestines?).
The origin of the liver flush stones is indeed intrahepatic.
And as for the candida fungal colonies, they are obviously not mucus. Mucus is a viscous colloid containing enzymes, immunoglobulin, inorganic salts, proteins, and glycoproteins known as mucins that give it it's unique texture and viscosity.
The candida colonies in my photos are fungal colonies with cell walls and a distinct texture and smell.
It is not mucus. You can pick it up and it maintains its shape. You can pull it and swing it around and it will not break. You can squeeze it and it will not part. It releases an acrid odor when dying that resembles brewers yeast, gasoline, and rotten eggs. I have released some with bloody insertions where their rhizomes penetrated my intestinal lining. Oftentimes they have veins going through them resembling a nervous system.
Regarding to mycelial candida, it is microscopy. I don't know where you found the information you can see candida cells without a microscopic.
Another interesting thing in your original post is you claimed die-off and killing when taking DMSA.
If you don't know, DMSA cause severe candida flare up. So, it is almost impossible to experiment die-off after taking it and less, killing the fungus.
I also was surprised to read you lived year and half only eating green leaves. Awesome.!
Then, I believe you shouldn't post those things in a forum where a lot people come to find solution for their health problems.
Thankfully, within the past 2 months this ignorant poster has actually passed a few fungal colonie...
Thankfully, within the past 2 months this ignorant poster has actually passed a few fungal colonies from doing nystatin enemas. Hopefully he a lot lot more humble and reasonable now:
"I have been doing Nystatin enemas, and I have passed out all what you describe. Whatever it is, it is what have us sick. I guess candida colonies because single cells are microscopic.
There isn't any proof that passing mucus in stool be candida, at least I haven't found any proof. What I am passing in stool isn't mucus but white strings, while they are going out, I am better and better. They are going out because I keep an antifungal diet and take antifungals, so I assume they are fungal colonies. Mucus can be the result of intestinal inflammation, celiac, etc.
Now that's what I call positive growth!!
The truth always wins in the end- it just takes time for people like this guy to wake up from their slumber. Who knows- maybe he never would have drawn the conclusion that what he passed with the nystatin enemas were indeed fungal colonies were it not for him reading my post and seeing my pictures.
It was even assumed I had passed away on this post, which was odd to read but I understand it considering how bad I was back then. I just needed a break from groups and forums for a while as I found something that was working for me. I did nearly die that year but luckily am still here and fighting, so here's the update.
During that year where everything crashed and I had several infections / viruses etc and could barely eat anything, I was on this and other boards desparate for advice and so on. I ended up after my 2012 hospital visit, finding a lot of info from people about the high raw vegan diet.
Between 2013 and 2015 I was, for 2 years, eating nothing but fruit, veggies and water. I didn't have any grains, animal products, fat, not even protein. I lived on huge fruit smoothies of bananas, dates, nectarines, berries, green leaves, etc. For dinner huge salads and fruit platters, followed later by the only cooked food I ate - a huge bowl of no fat vegetable soup. I was preparing this stuff all the time.
Before that I was living on these horrible elemental medical drinks as I could not tolerate anything "normal" (meat, fat, most food you could think of, it all shut my body and muscles down). I knew I could always tolerate fruit, but I just didn't realise some people eat like this, just massive amounts of it.
So I tried it out, and yes, my system agreed with that and I could keep going after being sent home with "nothing they could do for me".
It was a hard time, but gradually I got a little better during the end of 2013 into '14. I got a girlfriend from Romania who was a really beautiful person and helped me so much.
Later in 2014, I felt good enough to risk trying more foods again. I first tried cooked sushi (tuna etc), small amounts of chicken etc. To my surprise, the foods no longer shut my body down. Took me a little to get used to eating it again, but I started eating a lot more, and my GF was cooking really nice traditional European food which was great to be able to tolerate.
I gained 15kg (nearly 30 pounds) of much needed weight over the next 6 months or so, and since I was very thin and underweight, this made me feel much stronger and more resilient in the world. Although i'm still now very fatigued/feel toxic etc, I am stronger to be able to deal with it all.
I still battle with getting lots of viruses etc, but just keep on trying to deal. I tried to do DMPS a few times but i get quite a lot of symptoms from it so i end up stopping. I am about to try again though.
I have now started Liver Flushing properly. HOWEVER! I have a problem in that I never get stones out. My entire health condition started 17 years ago with liver sludge/stagnation which could be seen on ultrasound, and this is what caused my entire illness (starting with a lifetime of immune system over reactivity).
I should have yes indeed, started Liver Flushing back then, but I was very scared of it and thought all that oil would cause severe gallbladder attacks.
I have done lots of mini flushes in the past which I did feel something from, however now I am doing full flushes, and have so far done about four.
However, I have never gotten stones from any of them which is disheartening. I do 3-5 days of 1-2L of apple juice with a no fat diet, fast on the last day, then drink epsoms plus mag citrate (the combo i find better than epsom alone), then a 2nd round of that, then as usual 2hrs later, half a cup of olive oil and half of grapefruit or lemon juice.
The most concerning thing about these is not just that I dont get any stones, but the last 2 I don't even get nausea anymore. That's pretty scary not to get it from half a cup of oil. I used to get very nauseous even from one ounce of oil when i did mini flushes. I know my liver is the main reason i'm so sick, and im just hoping it hasn't gotten so bad that it's barely functioning to the point that i *can't* get normal nausea anymore or something.
I can seriously eat 4-5 pieces of fried chicken (not that I do often) and while I dont feel great from it later on I get NO nausea from it. Actually the only time I get a little bit of it is the day after I take a decent dose of Sam-e (which does something with encouraging bile stimulation/flow).
I feel like until I somehow see some stones coming out these flushes maybe aren't doing anything.. not sure. Anyway I've just done number 4 and will be doing them every 2-3 weeks.
Re: Long overdue update - finally liver flushing properly but need advice.
You should look into Chanca Piedra and Golden Coin Grass, both of tbe can break/soften stones so they move more easily.
Do you eat beets? Steamed beets, beet greens, and beet juice are incredible good for bile health. If you can you should eat beets every single day. If you cant handle the fresh beets i beleive Sonnes makes an organic beet juice tablet that looks good (havent tried yet)
Taurine is very effective at liquefying stagnent sludge bile. I would highly suggest you supplement with taurine until you get you bile flowing properly and properly breaking down protein into amino acids.
Apple Cider Vinegar has many health benefits aside from the malic acid and I take it daily in place of apple juice. 2 ounces daily diluted in divided doses.
I also take Trikatu, Triphala, and artichoke extract to get digestive juices/enzymes flowing. These work great for turning up the digestive fire and releasing bile but should be started out low and slow.
Have you done any parasite cleansing/zapping recently? Parasites can block bile flow and may not allow a succesful Liver Flush if alive in the bile duct.
Sy, in reading Hulda Clark protocol in it’s entirety, you will note the pre-flush steps ... colon ...
Sy, in reading Hulda Clark protocol in it's entirety, you will note the pre-flush steps ... colon cleansing, kidney cleansing, parasite cleansing. It's not a "yeah, I did that a while back" thing, it's part of every flush.
Doc Sutter, better known here as knows back in the day told me over and over kill the bastards, do a flush, kill the bastards, do a flush. It worked for me. I passed literal quarts of liver flukes as well as an ungodly amount of other parasites in the year and a half that it took me to clear my liver.
Still going.. just. (posted Dying from ME/CFS a year ago)
Hi all. I posted about a year ago a series about my severely ill health with the worst ME/CFS and liver problems.
It's a year later and I'm miraculously still here, but still extremely ill.
just after I wrote that series of posts on here, I was flown to a Hospital here in Sydney (in July 12). They did masses of tests over nearly 4 weeks and found nothing new. Sent home to die once again.
After I got out I hung on to my life by starting to take 20grams a day of ester C powder, and small doses of Iodine. I guess the Iodine helped the metabolism via thyroid beacuse for a while i got a small boost of energy (that means able to talk more to people and feel less unstable, not go for long walks outside).
I've continued the Vit C but now down to 10-12 grams or so. Not much diff with more. Tiny doses of Sam-e have been also saving my life during this time. however its been getting harder as even the tiniest bit now causes a systemic detox & inflamation reaction. But without it my system almost shuts down its entire function.
I live in bed, 23+ hours a day.
Had Amalgams out in August last year at holistic dentist after hospital (was extremely hard). Haven't started any chelation except Vit C.
Extremely intolerant to NAC/gltuathione unfortunately as they would save my life (mine is near zero).
Probably almost zero bile production - digestion is worse than anyone I've met. Feels like rocks are dragging through my organs when I eat food (liver, pancreas). Protein and fat are 100x worse than rice & veg, but even they do it.
Stools extremely pale yellow. Can't tolerate bile acid supps, they make my brain & body even more irritated than they are.
Living on partial elemental diet - made my own Sugar free home made version (Humapro amino's & starch), works well and is another reason I'm still alive and not an absolute skeleton.
Can't liver flush, far too weak, would end up in ER or worse. I barely tolerate a spoonful of fat let alone half a cup.
I've done mini flushes with lemon juice and Phos Choline - this causes a flare but DEFINITELY moves some things through the liver, as the entire body flows better after one. Also very taxing on the system though, can't do too often.
Cortisone dependent (full adrenal insufficiency) and take it via an insulin pump as since 2008 the tablets ruined my gut.
Allergic to everything, pretty much the earth. Everything I take in except water causes an immune response - often even flu like. I can feel very calmed down after 12hrs water fast, then a small amount of food will flare the whole body with inflammation (you can feel bubble lumps of fluid ALL over my body in all the joints and muscles within 20-40 minutes of eating, and it stays for 4-8 hours).
Very intolerant to salyicilates - pretty much poison - so all herbal remedies are out, they all make me much worse.
coffee enemas wipe my energy out severely afterwards and don't give much benefit.
I do Epsom Salts and bicarb baths, sometimes with some Bentonite clay. Reactions to this vary depending on timing and how I feel at the time. Can be awful at the wrong time or really helpful at the right - definitely help.
Pretty much no one in the world despite talking to many of the best know what to do for me. Still fighting to survive, am desperate and determined, but struggling to hold on. Systems are jammed and I need to work this out. Making a youtube vid soon to try to reach very smart people world wide.
I basically live on rice and veggies with a large amount of fruit. I eat enough were I meet all my...
I basically live on rice and veggies with a large amount of fruit. I eat enough were I meet all my calorie and nutritional needs. I can tolerate as much starch and fruit as I want compared to when I was eating low-carb when I got sick. The key for me was to eat low-fat/low-protein and high-carb and stop being afraid of sugar.
Are you able to eat large amounts of rice or other starches with veggies throughout the day? What about fruit?
Hi there. I certainly can. Rice, veg and some fruit are the only things I tolerate really. I somet...
Hi there. I certainly can. Rice, veg and some fruit are the only things I tolerate really. I sometimes go off the path and it wreaks havoc. I eat a handful of nuts and there is oil pouring out of my forehead 1/2hr later (not to mention the internal systemic pain of that). I do get more skin breakouts etc the more Sugar i have though. I take waxy maize starch drinks blended with fruit quite often. How long have you been doing this and how do you get any protein?
I’ve been doing this for about 8 months. I get enough protein from eating enough of the plant foo...
I've been doing this for about 8 months. I get enough protein from eating enough of the plant foods I eat. Rice alone will give you all the amino acids you need if you eat enough of it. Bananas too!
I'd make sure you're getting enough calories and temporarily omit all overt fats for a couple of weeks if fats like nuts are causing havoc for you like that.
I'd also not combine anything with fruit for awhile to optimize your digestion. Fruit with other fruit should be OK, but it's best to even eat each type of fruit by itself. Depends how your digestion is.
All fats cause me havoc! Rice is OK but i lost so much muscle at the beggining of this crash when ...
All fats cause me havoc! Rice is OK but i lost so much muscle at the beggining of this crash when i could no longer tolerate protein foods and just went onto rice and veg.
Yeah my digestion is the worst. gastroparesis type thing and just basically doesnt break down food much properly at all (or absorb most likely). So things tend to sit in the stomach too long and if fruit with other things ferments for sure.
Many of us HM toxic folks need digestive enzymes. Cutler writes that Hg mess with them. ... ... ...
Many of us HM toxic folks need digestive enzymes. Cutler writes that Hg mess with them.
Some people need more of a particular enzyme. For example I have a need for more protease for high protein meals. My sister and a close friend seem to need more amylase for dealing with certain vegatables--peppers, onion, etc. I've heard of some who need more lipase for dealing with fats. there are others for dealing with milk, gluten, etc.
Indeed. I have a prescription strength pancreatic enzyme. It doesn’t tend to make a great deal of ...
Indeed. I have a prescription strength pancreatic enzyme. It doesn't tend to make a great deal of difference for some reason. Because i get it so cheap i can take heaps too. I used to try taking 12-15 caps with a meat/fish meal when i could eat it and that did actually make a difference. Now though not much seems to.
Look into doing a banana island. It’s were you just eat a single kind of high-calorie fruit, like ...
Look into doing a banana island. It's were you just eat a single kind of high-calorie fruit, like bananas, for a given amount of days to give you enough calories to fuel your body while being the most gentle on your digestion so it can heal.
I did one for about 5 days, averaging 35 bananas a day, and was able to start eating more food afterwards leading me to gain back some weight I lost when I first started eating my accidental low-calorie plant-based diet from not knowing how to eat plant-based properly.