It's been a while since I came on here and I won't be coming back for a while after this post either.
I am progressing with my lyme disease treatment which involves potent herbal tinctures. My lip EC is now in complete remission and I am currently focusing on the other symptoms which were caused by this disease.
As I mentioned in a previous post it is vital that everyone with EC get lyme tested. I recommend ArminLabs in Germany as they offer proper Lyme testing. A lot of mainstream health centres do not offer adequate tests and so many people are being told they are false negative when in actual have they have the disease. Borrelia love collagenous structures. I believe in my case the disease was doing enough damage to cause long term chronic dehydration which resulted in very dry lips.
There is so much misinformation and all out nonsensse in this particular section of the board it is not worth my time visting it regularly. Diet and probiotics do help for dysbiosis, that may have some merit, but for the most part I think EC is disease induced, in my case it's Lyme. The rest of the treatments that talk about plasters and putting creams on the lips are a red herring.
I hope just one person reading this may decide to get Lyme tested and start treating it, and they will find the answer for their EC as well. For those that don't believe their EC could possibly be caused by Lyme, don't worry about it. Get on with your life, I'm not going to convince otherwise.
Hi and thank you for your post. I also have continuous dry lips, lip glosses don't work and my lips are worse after. I also have been treating with Beam Ray Light-, Babesia, Bartinella and Coxsackie micro organisms - now after two weeks of running stronger LYME protocol session with Beam Ray-am having heart palpitations- Do you know of anyone who has had similar symptoms? I also HAD Interstitial Cystitis which is dormant since running Beam Ray-am wondering if my extremely dry lips are tied to any of the above symptoms. What worked for yours? Thanks again for reaching out.
Has your EC started going into remission after starting your lyme treatment (and how long did it take for you to start seeing improvement)? If I remember correctly you said at some point that your EC got better after going gluten free.
I'm from Germany, so I might look into ArminLabs and see if I can get tested as well.
I used both of these to research which herbs to buy.
I have bought the following herbs:
polygonum cuspidatum - japanese knotweed
scutellaria baicalensis - skullcap
pueria lobata - kudzu
withania somnifera - ashwagandha
uncaria tomentosa - cat's claw
artium lappa (burdock) root
I AM CURRENTLY USING THESE HERBS:
polygonum cuspidatum - japanese knotweed
uncaria tomentosa - cat's claw
I started with a few drops of japanese knotweed and slowly increased the dosage.
I started around 20th January last month. Once i reach 1 tsp of each I phase in the next herb.
The plan is to take all of these herbs in time. The maximum dosage will differ according to each person and there is a lot of info in the book about what to take. I strongly urge everyone interested to buy Harrod's book because it is the best book I have ever read on disease. There herbs are not the only herbs that treat Lyme.
If you can't afford to buy all the herbs the core protocol is:
polygonum cuspidatum - japanese knotweed
uncaria tomentosa - cat's claw
+ collagen support e.g. pueria lobata - kudzu + selenium 200mcg per day
95% of people will see a remission of symptoms with these 5 herbs (e.g. EC) if Lyme disease is what they have.
If you are skeptical you can try just polygonum cuspidatum - japanese knotweed + uncaria tomentosa - cat's claw and you may see a reversal of your EC from these two herbs on their own.
I currently take 2tbsp per day of polygonum cuspidatum - japanese knotweed and 2tsps uncaria tomentosa - cat's claw and a few drops of uncaria rhynchophylla
2. I am not currently treating any co-infections. It would cost me money I don't have at the moment to test for the co-infections. These herbs work for co-infections as well as Lyme. I will be getting a co-infection test done in approximately 6months. At the moment I am monitoring my symptoms and see how I respond to each herb.
3. I don't know of anyone who has similar symptoms. I believe my mother has Lyme induced arthritis though and I will likely be devising a herbal protocol to help her pain.
4. Are my dry lips tied to any other symptoms? I think my dry nasal passage and dry lips are both related. I have recently noticed my nasal passage open up. It used to it feel very dry, cracked and coarse. I feel like I can breathe better and actually smell better. My lips are slippery and moist without having to lick them. I am focusing now on treating my other Lyme induced symptoms, such as my lichen sclerosus (skin disorder).
5. Read Harrod's book about co-infections. He has specific treatment protocols for each one.
6. Has my EC gone into remission since starting my lyme treatment? Yes. I made improvements from going gluten free however I don't think this is the cause of my EC. I have occasionally eaten gluten in the past two weeks. I believe the issue is that the Lyme disease causes immune suppression and because gluten adds to the toxic load of the body it can trigger allergic type responses (rashes, itching, etc) which makes a person think it is the gluten causing the problem when it may very well be caused from Lyme disease and co-infections. By treating the Lyme the immune system gradually suffers less and less from suppression and is better able to cope with toxic foods like gluten - I believe. Gluten is not good if you suffer from immune suppresion/auto-immune diseases.
7. What tests did I have? I had the Borrelia Elispot test (tested positive for 2 different strains of borrelia), CD3-/CD57+ Cells test, IgG-/IgM-Seraspot. So three tests in total. The Elispot was the most useful for me. I would e-mail the lab here:
8. How am I sure it is lyme treatment making my lips go into remission? There is no evidence I can give other than the lips no longer drying and peeling. There has been a reduction in my other symptoms. My chronic fatigue has lifted and I feel amazing.
9. Where did I buy my tinctures? I purchased 100ml tincture of each herb to begin with. I found an online botanical store that sells them in the UK. If you live in the US you have much better access to herbs. This is a list of some recommended US retailers :
Thanks, Tergot. I know of others with Lyme disease who take antibiotics or other meds every day indefinitely. Hence, do you think you will need to take the herbal tincture indefinitely to maintain results? Also, some people here noticed that EC improved while taking a certain antibiotic (maybe one that targeted mouth bacteria), but EC came back after discontinued use of the antibiotic. In other words, do you know if the tincture may be fighting against bacteria/yeast infection on the lips just like an antibiotic similar to how a bacteria/yeast infection might be secondary to the main cause?
Or do you think peeling lips is due to dehydration instead of infection on the lips?
Borrelia populate the mouth and in the urinary tract in very high numbers. The bacteria operates by modulating the cytokine response - upregulating certain white blood cells and down regulating others. In short they cause and then feed off of the damage caused by inflammation.
I don't know anything about antibiotics , I haven't sourced a Lyme literate doctor because I want to try herbs first. Any antibiotic routine will be long term, because this is what is required for chronic Lyme. The trouble is that antibiotics are not very good at treating Lyme especially if you've had it for as long as I have.
Yes, I suppose it is interesting that sometimes people find improvement in their EC from antibiotics. The trouble is very little information is known to the public about Lyme and so people don't get tested. Until it's a common practice it's very difficult to link EC to Lyme disease. As the bodies immune system is suppressed it opens up the door for other opporunistic bacteria and viruses. This is why Lyme and co.infections are often present together, they work synergistically. In the book I read that it is highly likely for a Lyme infected person to have co-infections. Highly likely. It is stated that it is the exception to the rule to see someone with just Lyme. This is not a widespread opinion in the medical world.
I'm not fussed about yeast/candida, I think if the body has a healthy immune system it will keep candidia (which we all have living inside us) in check, without having to adopt stringent diets or detox plans. If it only did bad things to the body I would feel differently, but as it is needed to digest food and regulate bodily functions in small numbers, I'm not prepared to view it as something that needs to be eliminated.
I can't know whether the Lyme is causing endocrine/lymphatic issues which are causing the dehydration, or whether there are populations of borrelia which are in my lips. It's not something the doctors available on the national health service will be able to answer.
Anyway, I'm still doing just fine, even after 3 hard days of grafting. Certainly the tinctures are helping me and I will continue with them indefinitely. The purpose is basically just to maintain progress and not think about a 'cure'. I'm happy to see symptom suppression so I can get back into life.
Is anyone else going to at least try polygonum cuspidatum (japanese knotweed) and uncaria tomentosa (cat's claw)? If you don't have lyme, this could work for most bacteria (or even fungus infections) on lips?
Mainstream Lyme tests are useless because MDs use CDC guideline which are outdated and inaccurate. In my country the national health service (NHS) tested me as negative, but the private lab I used tested me as positive.
My EC has not come back, it has improved since removing gluten and improved further with Lyme treatment. Lyme disease and co. are immunomodulating bacteria and as such it's highly likely such opportunitic yeast (otherwise harmless) like candida then become a problem to the body. I've already said this I know.
A lot has been said on this board about biofilms (the sticky white stuff in the mouth) being the by-product of candida and interrelate with EC. Most MDs will prescribe creams like canesten cream on the basis that it is thrush, and thrush is another name for candidiasis. So they acknowledge it is a fungal (out of control overgrowth) but they seem unwilling to look at the bigger picture, i.e. immunosuppresion and why that may be happening to their patient. Often they don't even know about gut dysbiosis or that many diseases begin in the gut.
Those in the alternative health fields that I've had personal experience with have a good understanding of disease and addressing the underlying causes, gut dysbiosis, toxicity/deficiency issues, etc, and they don't bother trying to address localised areas affected by candida, instead they work on improving and restoring gut health which has a knock on effect. Their knowledge of health is better. Still, little is known about Lyme even in these circles and there is little that can be done about candida if immunosuppression is a factor in why you are getting candidiasis in the first place.
While Lyme and co. are still largely denied that means people with frequent outbreaks of candidiasis in whatever form, may be fighting a battle they can never win. The fear I have is that many of those candida sufferers (EC sufferers) may also be suffering from a Lyme and/or co. infection. I am. My Lyme is what got me my EC.
If you want my honest opinion, my unfettered opinion on EC and what EC really is? I think it's oral thrush (in 99% of cases), it's never been more complicated that this, but the solution is. That is why you sometimes see improvements in peoples EC when they put something on their lips or change their diet a little, of course the yeast is responding to those changes and hence you may see a reduction or flare in symptoms - for a while. It is (for most people here) thrush as a result of systemtic Candida Overgrowth but I don't think the buck necessarily stops with candida and dietary changes - although it does with some, which explains how there are many people who have cured their EC from such things as liver flushing, special candida diets (which vary, but always involve removing processed Sugar from the diet for a time and then phasing back in certain foods), addressing leaky gut issues by removing toxic foods like GMO, or inflammatory foods like gluten. There is merit in each one. But it's not a full system theory, it's one factor in isolation, and none of these work long term (even if done properly together) if Lyme and co. are working away doing their own thing to keep the door open for yeast infections. You are just going to develop Yeast Overgrowth again if the Lyme and co. are not addressed as it is something your body needs and can never 100% eliminate.
Often people have tried candida elimination and failed, I believe they either didn't do enough, did the wrong thing, or did the right thing but had underlying immunosuppression they didn't know about caused from Lyme and co.
I think in every case, nothing is solved long term from putting somethiing on the EC affected area and hoping it stops the EC for good. The majority of focus is on what to put on the lips and I think this obsession comes from how normal MDs have focused far too long on treating localised problems like EC in a localised way, and this falty way of thinking is still being proliferated (although not consciously), by those who come here trying to self treat.
The leave alone method is one example of trying to treat EC in a localised way. It became well known because of Daniel Miller and was in part a misnomer from the start because it gave merit to the idea that the lips are somehow damaged from injury and need time to heal, this is bullshit. He did enough to completely eliminate his oral thrush, and that's exactly what got him cured. In the end he acknowledged the leave alone may not be important and tried to make clear that leaving them alone did not likely achieve anything, it was when he became more proactive (use of antimicrobials - change in lifestyle to one with heavy sun exposure (heat kills candida)), that his EC cured. He started out for a long time believing the EC needed to be left alone untouched, and so many people (including myself) got the impression that EC needed a lot of time to heal and huge scabs needed to be left on. People are still getting this impression after coming away from his blog and suffering months of scabby, ugly looking skin on their lips in the hope to heal them. He's never been able to fully debunk the unnecessity of this because to this day he doesn't truly know what cured his EC, he can only report on what he did. It leaves a lot open to misinterpretation.
If the Lyme and co. is suppressing the immune system which allows candida to keep coming back, what's the point in treating candida? There isn't one, which is why I'm treating Lyme and co. with a separate treatment for candida as an add-on(which I haven't yet properly started). Essentially though, candida is balanced by a healthy functioning immune system, so by treating Lyme and co. I am attempting to allow my body to re-balance candida populations and cure the thrush on it's own. This is why I said I'm not too bothered about candida. I have thrush not just on my lips but all over my face, scalp, head of my penis. For some reason the EC on my lips was the first to go, but there are other parts of my body I want rid of as soon as possible which is why i'm mentioning it here, to give a broader overview.
I don't think probiotics are enough to make an impact on candida, they work in syngergy with herbal supplementation designed to target yeast. Nystatin and others I am currently investigating to help form a fully anti-candida protocol but the bulk of my focus is on Lyme, and inadvertently some of these tinctures will disrupt candida as well. Herbs work by disrupting the way that pathogens work, and they are much less damaging long term than conventional antibiotics.
I think it was me who had lyme disease bacteria show up as negative in standard test, then slightly positive in lyme speciality lab test. But even with that, the speciality lab didn't note me as having lyme disease. It was my infectitious disease doctor who noticed the changes in that test from negative to positive which made him conclude that I have lyme disease. I didn't go back to him for treatment because I wasn't sure if I really had lyme disease and I didn't want to go on antibiotics and IV treatment for years. From what I read, lyme bacteria can come out of hiding from your tissues into bloodstream after you take strong medication like I took before I retested for lyme.
How many days did it take for your lips to completely heal after taking these herbal supplements? Also, did you have any side effects like diarrhea, etc?
I'm 9 weeks along almost 10 weeks and just found out I am hypothyroid as well as low on Vitamin D. I have been suffering with adrenal exhaustion for a long time now. Pantethine and pantothenic acid use to make me so much better with my adrenal exhaustion but eventually I had to stop taking it because I am getting terrible reaction to it. It's the only thing that has worked amazingly for adrenal exhaustion. My nurse/midwife wants me to go on synthroid. I am terrified of trying it because I know there can be consequences for not supporting the adrenals first. And now when I try to clean I get terribly short of breath, this is apparently due to the low thyroid hormone, it terrifies me because I feel like I'm going to get a heart attack from doing light cleaning.
Is there anyone on here that is going through (or has gone through)something similar and if so, what did you do? Was your baby Ok? I'm so depressed and scared. This is way worse then just adrenal fatigue alone.
As terrible as the pantethine has made me react I'm thinking of trying it again just in case the reaction has gone away.
I just bought radishes, Ev Coconut Oil, Vitamin D3 drops, B-complex, Dulse, Kelp, but my body can only handle small amounts of these things, I guess because my adrenals are not up to par.
Hi - I started recovering from a very serious case of adrenal fatigue 16 years ago, and my adrenals have been fine for the last three years or so. A little over a year ago I learned that my mother was experiencing AF while she was pregnant with me, while I was being born, and the first few months after I was born while she was breast feeding me. This predisposed me to AF before I was born.
You might want to consult my Dr. She recovered from a very serious case of AF before she became a Dr. of Natural Medicine. She helped me recover from my AF starting 16 years ago. She has two kids. She does phone and e-mail consultations, and mails adrenal and other supplements out twice a week. She might be a good person for you to consult right now. Her name is Rose Mary Camren, her e-mail address is firstname.lastname@example.org and her website is http://www.thenaturaldr.com.
Have you tried taking any adrenal glandulars? Are you taking any Sea Salt in water in the morning? Are you working with Dr.Lam?
I have been told that the shortness of breath stems from the adrenals. It pulls down the functioning of your thyroid also. If you are sub-clinical hypothyroid, most likely once your adrenals are healed your thyroid will kick in.
I use to take adrenal glandular awhile back from Standard Process but I haven't had access to a health care provider that could get them for me now. I worked with Dr. Lam a long while back and he is the one that got me a lot better on pantethine and pantothenic acid combined but I did not take it as much as I should have because the pills hurt my stomach really bad and then eventually I became extremely sensitive to the pantethine and get a really weird reaction from it.
I do believe had I taken it the way I was suppose to I would be healed by now. The results I got were amazing to say the least. I wrote him on his forum but haven't yet received a reply.
I was taking Sea Salt in water but at times it makes me feel really weird.
Thank you for reminding me about the glandulars. I'm going to make an effort to find someone to prescribe them for me.
I took some from Dr. Wilson one time and had terrible reaction to them. He said that my adrenals were probably end stage and were being excited by them. To be sure , I'd like to try the standard process again.
Lugols is good, you can take as little as a drop which is 3.5mg. You don't want to stir up detox symptoms if you're pregnant, but you want to give your baby all the thyroid support you can. Your baby will take from you and if you are deficient, it will deplete you and your baby won't be getting what it needs and set him/her up for thyroid issues too.
is a site that is owned by a woman who was diagnosed with thyroid cancer while pregnant. She underwent a total thyroidectomy and radiation (more than once) and still had cancer markers. She found Dr. David Brownstein (Arthur of "Iodine, Why you need it, Why you can't live without it" and "Salt your way to Health) and he helped her regain her health with desiccated thyroid, Iodine and nutritional supplements. Her children are hypothyroid and take desiccated thyroid and iodine. She runs an Iodine group on yahoo you should join. She and the moderators will be able to answer a lot of your questions.
I had all the same things you said when I was pregnant over six years ago. I know it is very scary to be in that place. I was often terrified that my baby would be severely damaged. I didn't know what to do at all at that time, so I just prayed a lot, ate as healthy as I knew how, and took lots of superfoods, etc. My baby was born without any noticeable issues. She is almost six years old now, and does have some health weaknesses I can tell, but nothing at all serious yet. I can just tell she's not perfectly strong in her health, and I will continue to seek answers for us both. But my daughter has been one of the greatest joys of my life ever since she has been born. She has tons of energy and is as smart as a whip. I sometimes get down knowing she's not perfectly healthy because I wasn't when I was pregnant, but I just have to let that go, and do all I know to do for her, and know that me and her will be on this journey together.
I will pray for you! Again, I know how scary it is. I didn't have curezone when I was pregnant, so you may be able to find great answers that could help that I didn't have. But try not to worry cause that sure doesn't help. Try to just relax and get a lot of rest. God made the body amazing, and even if severely compromised, the baby will often be just fine. If my situation turned out as well as it did, hopefully so can yours. I wish you could meet my little girl, and see how great she is, and that would inspire you.
I hope this helps.
Also, maybe try some fresh vegetable juicing to add to your diet. You get such dense nutrition easily that way. Of all I do, juicing seems to help the most. And superfoods are so good too if you can handle them.
Try to get out in the sun a lot if you can, even in the winter. I open a window in the winter, in the bedroom where it shines in, and I take the screen out of the window. It helps.
I was curious what type of symptoms you had when you were pregnant? I couldn't sleep last night because every time I tried to go to bed my heart would pound fast and hard, I finally was able to fall asleep around 6:30 and woke up at 7:30 then slept til 10:30.
Constant shortness of breath when trying to do light things or if I eat, and heart palpitations. Also nervousness. I imagine this all stems from the adrenals.
Does this get better after the first trimester? Also, how did this affect labor and delivery for you?
I had lots of symptoms, but they were all things I had been dealing with for a long time with the adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism, etc, so I don't remember anything unusual about my symptoms during pregnancy. I just remember being scared and maybe extra irritable. :) I don't remember the heart palpitations, but that's never been something I've dealt with much even though I do have major adrenal fatigue. I did have some nervousness I remember. But the main thing that sticks out in my mind about my symptoms during pregnancy was that I was extremely tired, quite a bit more than usual, especially the first trimester. Also, the digestive problems I had always had were worse during pregnancy too.
One thing that got better was that I wasn't as cold as usual. The weight gain and just being pregnant helped that symptom of hypothyroidism.
After the first trimester, I did feel better I remember.
Labor and delivery was pretty crazy for me because I had my baby really fast and no one was expecting that. Plus she came two weeks early. Because of my very low blood pressure, I was hooked up to a machine all night so that could be monitored. I was hooked up to quite a few machines which was really annoying. If you can bypass all the machines, I would. But don't worry about any of that now. Just take one day at a time.
I don't know what's safe to take during pregnancy for the nervousness and heart palpitations. Maybe someone knows and will write in and let you know. That is definitely one thing that is so very hard about pregnancy, not knowing what you can safely take and not take.
I'm always around if you want to talk more, so don't hesitate to write here, or contact me privately, or whatever.
I'm praying for you! I hope you will be able to sleep better tonight. I know how hard it is to not be able to sleep even not pregnant (I'm dealing a lot with that now) but being pregnant and not sleeping, would be even harder. I was working during pregnancy, and could only sleep at certain times, and I do remember not sleeping good at times. Hopefully you are not having to work, and can sleep whenever you can.
The second trimester will probably be much better, it usually is for everyone. Another thing that I did during pregnancy was read lots of books about being pregnant. I think this helped me stay calmer because even though I knew so many of my symptoms were from the adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism, etc, when you read about being pregnant, you read about how so many women that have no known health problems, suffer all these similar symptoms, just from being pregnant. Now I know that a perfectly healthy body probably shouldn't have any symptoms, but just reading about all these common symptoms of pregnancy helped me a lot. Tiredness, digestive problems, sleeping problems, irritability, all kinds of aches and pains, nervousness, the list goes on and on, all this is supposedly normal. :) So I just imagined I was normal, and tried to relax.
And maybe listen to some classical music. That's suppose to help the baby's intelligence anyway (who really knows though), but it's also relaxing.
Oh goodness I have the same symptoms I am hypothyroid and have adrenal fatigue - it scares me. 20 weeks. I wanted to ask you, were you able to have a natural labor? Or did you end up having to have interventions due to the exhaustion?
Peashie, I'm not sure if you were asking me or not since these posts don't always fall in the right place when the threads are so long like this.
I did have a natural labor. I was absolutely determined to do that and even though I was completely exhausted, even before the labor started, I made it through. I did a lot of praying, and a lot of yelling. lol
I was hooked up to a lot of machines though, because of such low blood pressure, so they wanted to monitor everything going on with me and my baby. So that made things a lot more difficult. Hopefully you won't have to go through that part.
It's certainly scary to be pregnant with health issues, but try to just take one day at a time, and relax as much as possible. Don't even think about the labor right now unless it's to learn ways to be more prepared. I never took any classes or anything. Actually, I was pretty clueless about labor, but yet still so darn determined to do it naturally unless there was an emergency where I couldn't. It probably would have helped to have known more.
Anyway, I sure hope and pray all will go well for you and your baby! Try not to worry!
Thank you for the links, I plan on trying out the yahoo group soon. The Dulse I purchased from the health food store has something about Dr. Brownstein on the back. I am wondering if this particular brand is safe to take? Another words is it free of contaminants?
Bach's Rescue Remedy will help with the anxiety and nervousness. Hawthorne appears to be safely taken in small doses during pregnancy, but I would pm Ask Dr. Mom or HV on his site: Truth in Medicine to get feedback. But I did find this site:
Thanks so much for finding that for me. I have wondered about the Rescue Remedy before. I am seriously thinking of trying it out. One thing that really started helping me as of yesterday was to go low carb most of the day and eat meat and cheese type foods. It is giving my adrenals the support and helping them rest so it's reducing my hypothyroid symptoms. The gasping for air and stuff I learned is caused by low thyroid hormone, apparently my heart is beating slower and weaker because of the lack of hormone.
The idea of the hawthorne is a good one. I took it a long time ago before adrenal fatigue for heart feeling like it was skipping a beat and it worked really well. However the last time I tried it was after I was already ill and I used the tea form for the first time and I had a really weird reaction. I peed and peed and could not stop peeing. I was terrified and ended up doing urine therapy (drank my pee gross I know) out of desperation and it miraculously stopped me from peeing myself to death.
That was really weird because when I was healthy I always took it and it helped a great deal. So I'm not sure if it was related to my adrenal fatigue or if I just got too much by taking the tea form.
I've always taken the capsules. I keep a bottle in my bathroom, so if I wake up in the middle of the night with my heart pounding I'll take some.
Rescue Remedy is WONDERFUL. It now comes in chewy candies. My daughter used to be absolutely terrified of thunderstorms. Any faint rumbles would set her into a panic. After several years of this phobia, I found the RR candies and started giving them to her when a thunderstorm hit. Now, she's much calmer during storms and doesn't need to take the RR every time. When she's worked herself up into emotional hysteria (she hit puberty and sometimes drama happens), RR helps calm her down. I'll even use it when I get really upset with her.
EDIT; If one drop of Lugols feels like too much, you can put a drop in a tsp of water and then take drops from that.
I think I saw in another forum or maybe this one, where you said low-carb helped you.
I wanted to tell you that is what I did during pregnancy, and I think that probably helped a lot. For me, with adrenal fatigue, it seems any kind of sugar, even the good kinds in fruits, honey, good carbs, etc. make me so much worse.
When I juice now, I don't do the high Sugar vegetables like carrots, beets, etc. I just do the very low Sugar ones, and lots of organic celery. I think the Celery juice helps me the most, because of the natural sodium for the adrenals.
I was a little concerned to do low-carb during pregnancy because I wanted to make sure I was getting all the nutrients that were needed for my baby. So that's why I did a lot of super foods, ones with cereal grasses, etc. to make up for any loss nutrients with the low-carb diet.
Thank you so much! I was just discussing this with my husband. I was worried about the baby with my low carb diet. And I wondered if I got some low carb greens and juices if that would help. I don't believe in dieting during pregnancy but this is truly the only thing that is really helping me a lot right now.
And today is a better day:) Thank you for your well wishes. Your answers are truly God sends for me.
Your welcome! I'm so glad you are feeling better today. I felt the same way as you about dieting during pregnancy but also felt like I had to do what helped the most too. And if you think about it, whatever helps you to feel the best, is going to be the best for the baby.
I definitely think the green juices and foods will be great to add on.
You know, even though I was doing low-carb, I gained 40 pounds. I was underweight before pregnancy, so I figured that was a good thing. :)
Also, I don't know if you considered doing any dairy at all, but I did Mt. Caprotein goat protein powder during pregnancy. It's suppose to be a very easily digested protein and it's partially fermented, so that is good for digestion and has some pro-biotics in it too. I normally can't handle dairy at all, but I seemed to do well on that. I figured the calcium was good to get too while pregnant.
I've just written a book on how to cure serious candida problems. This book has a very different approach to curing and resolving candida problems and goes with the most current research. The book is called Candida: Killing so Sweetly and will be out in paperback and ebook format next month(Sept 19th).
To actually help people with their candida problems now and to help people to understand this protocol, here it is -- with quick explanations:
The above links contain the main daily anti-candida protocols with a short tabulated explanation of the nutrient activity within the protocols. And the anti-candida diet is just plain common sense.
I've used the above protocol successfully to cure my own systemic candida problems seven years ago(with no return of this disease or any of the symptoms) as well as successfully helping and advising other people with serious candida problems many times. Generally, because people don't like taking so many nutrients, the people who have taken this protocol and followed it religiously were very desperate and sick people who were usually at the catabolic or body-wasting stage(rapid weight loss) of their candida problems. This protocol has also been very successful at curing systemic candida, with no "Rebound Effect" or no continual return of the disease.
If you want to know the deeper explanations(backed up by all the research) as to why this protocol works so well, you'll have to buy and read the book -- not enough room here.
Currently I'm working on another smaller and more convenient anti-candida protocol using both protease enzymes(strongly anti-biofilm) and turpentine(strong anti-biofilm action, strong anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, anti-viral, anti-mycoplasma, anti-parasitic and strong anti-oxidant). This approach is mainly based on the good research work of Dr Jennifer Daniels(Turpentine) and also on the work of Dr William Shaw and Dr Peta Cohen who have both found causative links between candida mycotoxins(like arabinose, tartaric acid and gliotoxins) and difficult-to-cure diseases like Autism, CFS, ADHD, Lupus and Alzheimer's Disease. It appears that if you apply strong anti-fungals to people with with ADHD, Autism, Altzheimers and CFS then there is always a marked improvement -- if not a complete resolution and cure -- with these serious conditions.
I will probably eventually write another book on this smaller and more convenient protocol in the future.
“As the philosopher Schopenhauer said, 'All truth goes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Then, it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident.' Within five years, people who ignore the importance of yeast-related illness will be in the same camp with those in the Flat-Earth Society."
You mentioned using terpentine as part of a candida protocol. I googled terpentine oil and it says it can cause vomiting, brain damage, and death if ingested. How exactly do you use it in your protocol?
Oh MY! Wow! That pdf is really something. Your protocol is really something as well. And the fact that you are sharing your information WITHOUT the need for us to buy your book, out of compassion, is very comendable. In fact it makes me want to buy your book out of thankfulness.
I have a little bit of an issue with quality meats feeding candida? but who cares there's a good many (maybe powerful) peripheral/ unique tools in the toolbox here. Just what I was looking for. Thanks (I'm referring to all your posts and her PDF).
My new book, Candida: Killing so Sweetly will help answer, in detail and with all the research evidence, the following questions:
Why does my uterine candida or intestinal candida just keep coming back?
Candida is just a yeast, right? -- Wrong!! Candida has dimorphic behaviour -- it really eventually becomes two entirely different organisms.
If I can get rid of my candida from my intestines then I will be cured. -- Wrong!!
The doctor says I haven't got candida -- but I have all the symptoms !!
Why do Nystatin and Diflucan antifungals not work against my candida problems -- it just keeps coming back !!
Will getting rid of my candida help my CFS or Fibromyalgia problems? -- Yes, from the most current research by Dr William Shaw, candida mycotoxins are a major causative factor in CFS, ADHD, Altzheimers, SLS and a host of other diseases.
My new book goes much deeper into candida behaviour and presents conclusions that are outside the box but neverheless fully supported by all the current research evidence (which has been completely ignored by allopathic medicine). The book ends up finally describing a successful daily anti-candida protocol(shown here on curezone) that is wholly based on specifically attacking the unique behaviours, characteristics and associations of serious candida problems rather than on just using a totally inadequate, simplistic and useless antifungal/antibiotic protocol.
Curious to ask if you had any side effects with the turpentine...such as extreme head fog or a stong immune response(overload of histamine). Seems like turpentine could cause an overwhelming immune response for people that are sensitive to alcohol- "like" chemicals?
Did turpentine cause an overstimulating effect?
Just the smell of turpentine makes me slightly nauseous/edgy and never got the courage to try it.
In case he doesn't answer, he probably will though, read the pdf he posted that was was written by Dr. Daniels. It will answer some of your questions. I would say yes it is very strong and should not be attempted until a person is reasonably strong, has a well moving GI tract, and maybe even has a several days off work. I went to local country gas station/hardware store/ general store where they have a lil bit everything. And got fearfully and excitedly got my 100% gum spirits turpentine and Sugar yesterday. Fearfully and excitedly, I might give it go at some point. But I aint there yet!!! Probably best, IMO, to have candida levels to a point where we have all been, that is where you think you are cured but really not, and THEN try this stuff?
The turpentine pdf and some more that are around the web for sometime are old and tried methods. There is nothing new that someones coming to this forum can claim cure CRC. Turpentine may kill you or destroy your kidneys, liver, or cause blindness.There are people posting in this forum or who posted in the past who tried turpentine and ended in ER, one of them recently.
Turpentine is poison. I am warning you. There isn't any scientific proof it cures candidiasis.
OK, what about Borax, or Borax + Iodine, or Borax enema?
Niacinimide in enema?
What about borax + sugar?
I appreciate your input as one of our resident experts. I can't help but wonder why the recent post of cure with nystatin enema by someone else, if you are you are NOT cured yet? do you think it's the Sugar + nystatin? if I recall correctly, you use 4 oz enemas and that person is using 16oz? or possibly many other protocol factors?
I'm not trying to start a fight, it's just I've been at it for 8 years and *%$# it! there's gotta be a way! This shouldn't be so hard!
Remember, scientists induce experimental candidiasis in mice by giving Dextran Sulfate, a chemical that irritates the intestines. This allows commensal candida to penetrate deep into the intestinal wall.
So anything that irritates the intestines could make you worse. Careful with those chemicals!
As for turpentine being a poison, I find this a particularly strange belief. Far back in time, the Greeks used turpentine both externally and internally. Ferdinand Magellan, the famous round-the-world sea captain, stocked his ships with barrel loads of turpentine as a supplement, cure-all and tonic for his sailors. Pine oil or turpentine contains high amounts of vitamin c -- which prevents scurvy. The sailors of this period also used to make a special beer by adding pine-needles to the brew. Turpentine poisonous? I really dont think so.
Also TCM has used pine oil in their remedies for centuries. I'm also sure that one or two people out there must have heard of Korean Red Pine Oil which is famous in Asia for its healing protperties. Distilled pine oil is turpentine.
If you Google "Paula Ganner kerosene" you will see exactly what can be cured using this protocol. Paula Ganner was also interviewed by 7-Tag, a well known and popular German magazine. To the interview as proof, she brought along 20,000 letters of thanks from people who had used her kerosene remedy and who had succesfully been cured of various and many cancers, tuberculosis, leukemia, polio (Paula Ganner cured her son of polio within 2 weeks using kerosene and she also cured her husband, who was a carpenter, of sepsis or gangrene using her kerosene therapy) etc. After this magazine interview and within the week, the editor of 7-Tag magazine was promptly fired and, within the year, turpentine/kerosene was DE CLAREd an outright poison by the German medical authorities.
From the Project Gutenberg website, I also downloaded and searched for turpentine in the 1899 Merck Medical Manual. I lost count how many times turpentine was used both externally and internally. Same for Lugol's Iodine, same for borax. But in the 1999 Merck Medical Manual turpentine was suddenly DE CLAREd to be poisonous(just like LI and borax) -- despite thousands of years of successful medical use.
Are you getting a clearer picture of why people think turpentine is a poison nowadays (from the medical propaganda)?
In my book, at the end within the references section, I also took the trouble to compile about twelve A4 pages of research and other evidence to help convince people of the efficacy and safety of the remedies I use against candida. If you want to see all the evidence then I'm afraid you'll have to buy the book -- not enough room here.
I supplement turpentine about once a week. I've found that it helps to normalize my own stools and significantly boosts energy levels becauseof its strong antioxidant effects. I also take turpentine because it purifies and protects the blood and helps to protect the intestines, liver and kidneys in this respect.
Furthermore I freely admit that the protocols I use belong to other people who I fully acknowledge in the book. All I've tried to do is connect the dots to help cure serious candida problems. And if you do buy my book -- read the Dedication. And to be honest, the very last thing I want is to become famous for these remedies. I really don't need the vicious hassle from the FDA, WHO or the allopathic drugs cartels.
But I would agree with you that you must be careful using this turpentine protocol because of its laxative effects when too much is initially supplemented. Turpentine also gets rid of candida very quickly -- therefore a strong Herx or die-off healing crisis is likely if you initially supplement too large a dose. Start small and go slow. Perhaps Paraselsus, the famous medievil alchemist and healer, said it best :
"Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison.
The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy."
My last pieceof advice is probably the most important.
Stop thinking like a doctor and always validate your own beliefs properly. If you don't validate with evidence, you could be passing on incorrect information to other people and be instrumental in creating unfounded fears, which might then prevent people from taking a remedy as a proper and valid cure.
Well that's fair enough Dvjorge. It seems that you still dont believe in the usefulness of pine oil or turpentine against candida despite all the evidence that I have worked to provide. Walter Last, in his Ultimate Cleanse and Kerosene articles(which I also posted in a previous post) provides adequate proof as well as research evidence that turpentine cures candida. I guess you must have overlooked those articles.
You have provided no evidence (again) that turpentine does not cure candida.
I checked through the links you posted; only the first and last one loaded. On the MSDS for turpentine oil, it is characterized as "hazardous according to Worksafe Australia criteria." It is listed as irritating to the eyes and skin, potentially causing lung damage if swallowed. It actually says to take the person to the hospital immediately if it is ingested. No biological limit is allocated, meaning NO amount is considered safe. " Ingestion can cause nausea, vomiting and bladder irrita
tion. Aspiration into lungs when swallowed or vomited
may cause chemical pneumonitis which can be fatal. "
Per the argument that it has been used historically, mercury and lead were also widely used for hundreds of years before we discovered that they were poisonous. In the early 1900s, many people ingested radioactive lozenges thinking they were a cure-all. In this case I'm afraid the evidence is not in your favor.
"Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy."
The second statement in the quote you provided is logically fallacious. The implication from the first statement reads as thus: "The dosages makes everything either a poison or a remedy." While one could argue that any substance can prove lethal to the human body at sufficient levels, I see no basis for stating that every substance in existence is a remedy. A couple simple examples are cyanide, hot plasma, bleach, gasoline, and of course turpentine. So really you're left with the first statement, that all substances have a potential lethal dose.
(note: there ARE first hand accounts of it working, rather, people thinking that it worked or is working) I found one guy named slavek who said "no effect" , a fellow who called poision control cause he had red stuff coming out both ends (wasn't sure if it was beet juice? lol). that's really not funny at all.
Disclaimer: I am not advocating this or saying don't do it. I would however, like to get the bottom of it. By that I mean, if there are people 2.5 years ago that really were cured or helped by this, we should all know. And we should all know the dangers.
Read through the Google Scholar results for 'turpentine ingestion' and then tell me it's not poisonous. If you do take it, you might as well park your car outside the hospital front entrance and have your insurance ready. And if any of it accidentally goes down your windpipe, your lungs can literally start to rot. I'll pass on this one.
Try typing "Turpentine health" or Turpentine candida" or "Kerosene cancer" into Google search and see what you get. Try downloading the 1899 Merck Medical Manual from the Project Gutenberg website and search it for turpentine and see how many hits you get. You'll lose count of the times it was medically advised to be ingested as a remedy for many diseases. Try reading Walter Last's Kerosene -- A Universal Healer for even more convincing evidence.
I take turpentine once a week as preventative maintenance for my body -- a teaspoon every week and it has wonderful effects. I take it because, at this amount and frequency, it protects the intestines and purifies the blood..
Of course everybody is entitled to their own beliefs. But it really surprises me that so many people so earnestly believe every recommendation that tumbles out from the medical standards committees and drugs research. They have also banned Lugol's Iodine and Borax as poisons long ago. Do you believe that too ?
I also use borax and lugol's iodine regularly. Been using them for over 7 years(at much higher orthomolecular dosages than the RDA) and, since starting to use these substances at "poisonous" dosages, I haven't caught flu or a cold or any infectious disease for over 7 years. And I cured my own systemic candida problems using them like this. I'm 63 y o with no aches and pains, heart good; I feel about 35 y o and I'm very active.
To me, it's very obvious why older medicine's views(who more honestly advised supplementing turpentine, LI and Borax) conflicts so heavily with modern medicine's views on turpentine, LI and borax. Modern medicine banned them as poisons because, even now, modern drugs simply cannot compete with turpentine, borax and LI in terms of their many health beneifits. So the drugs companies simply got rid of the competition by labeling these substances as poisons in order to sell more drugs and make more profit. Your choice if you want to believe all their propaganda without validating first.
So I'm afraid that's why you will never convince me that turpentine is a poison -- because I have used it for such a long while and I am well acquainted with its beneficial effects. If you don't believe what I say about turpentine and its effects on candida, then you will only ever be left clutching at your own fears about turpentine as a poison -- with still no permanent cure in sight for your own awful candida problems. And that is a very sad truth.
But I wish you good luck in your own continuing search for a candida cure.
I have a complete cd with papers and articles written about turpentine. I have read all. Some years ago, here was a forum member who was fan to it. That person filed a huge amount of information about turpentine including reports from many who used it. He sent me by email at least 30 or more papers, testimonies, etc about Turpentine, yet I haven't read any report of someone cured using it.
Dvjorge...In your last post you say the following..."He sent me by email at least 30 or more papers, testimonies, etc about Turpentine, yet I haven't read any report of someone cured using it." You contradict yourself in this sentence. This person took the trouble to send you testimonies of cures and apparently you wont believe them or didn't even bother to read them as evidence.
Have another look at Walter Last's Kerosene -- A Universal Healer article (I wont post the link as I have already posted it several times already already in this stream). There's alot of evidence in this article about the healing aspect of Turpentine/Kerosene. Check the research and testamonial links etc at the bottom of this article -- that's why Walter Last recommends it. In his article, Walter Last says this about turpentine/kerosene;
"The use of these petroleum products is most widespread in poorer countries, including Russia, Eastern Europe and Africa. A recent study in Nigeria found that about 70 per cent of the population used petroleum products medicinally. The most common applications are for infections and infectious diseases, autoimmune diseases, cancer, arthritis and rheumatic diseases in general. Even the Rockefellers supposedly started their fortune by selling kerosene as a cancer cure before they found that chemotherapy was more lucrative."
Walter Last also concludes:
" ...Today, the Wikipedia page on kerosene states clearly and simply: "Ingestion of kerosene is harmful or fatal." Increasingly the most recent MSDSs no longer provide toxicity data so that people cannot see how relatively non-toxic kerosene is. Instead, only the warning remains that it can be fatal if it gets into the lungs.
"The acute oral toxicity of kerosene for rats is given as "LD50 > 5000 mg/kg"[low toxicity]. LD50 is the dose at which 50 per cent of the rats will die; in this case, more than 5 g/kg are required. In comparison, the LD50 of gum turpentine for rats is given as 5760 mg/kg [low toxicity]. The MSDS for Diggers Pure Gum Turpentine states: "Ingestion can cause nausea, vomiting and bladder irritation. Aspiration into lungs when swallowed or vomited may cause chemical pneumonitis which can be fatal"
"All of this is obviously in conflict with its use for hundreds of years as a trusted remedy, and is in conflict with the scientific toxicity information. In France, kerosene still appears in the official pharmacopoeia ashuile de Gabianand is prescribed as a remedy for bronchitis, asthma and cystitis. Even the medical literature contains clinical studies by reputable researchers showing that kerosene is effective against cancer"
Isn't that clear enough evidence ? Walter Last is a well-respected healer who isn't in the habit of lying and who has written many books on curing candida and other diseases(see his book "Overcoming Candida, a Guide to Self healing"). But apparently, for some people, ths simply isn't good enough as proof.
You're perfectly entitled to your vew that turpentine is a poison. But for me, a regular user of turpentine, you only ever seem to have have one argument against supplementing turpentine(and it is greatly flawed) -- that medical research research says that turpentine is a poison. You already know my views on this. I've also been supplementing turpentine for a long time. So, according to your own peculiar reasoning, I've been using turpentine at poisonous dosages so I should really be dead, right ? Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you but I am still kicking and I appear to be in good health.
When you initially start using turpentine, start small and go slow. Start with drops and take a week or more to work up to the one teaspoon dosage per day for candida. And if you already have candida -- you certainly will probably get a considerable Herx or die off effect so adjust dosages accordingly and be patient. If you take too much turpentine initially and too quickly, then you will probably get laxative effects. Take one teaspoon a day(consecutively) for no more than 10 days and then stop for 10 days. The maintenance dose for health is to take a teaspoon of turpentine only once or twice a week.
I take turpentine in two ways -- one teaspoon of turpentine plus one teaspoon of molasses or raw honey mixed in the mouth with saliva and then chased down with a small amount of water. Take this just before meals so that it will be carried into the intestines with the food. This is a particularly good method for killing candida in the intestines. Or I just take one teaspoon of turpentine with a glass of water on an empty stomach -- where the turpentine gets quickly absorbed directly into the blood from the stomach with this method. This latter method is also better and more effective at curing other diseases outside the intestine and is a great way of purifying the blood.
Furthermore, I have never read any instance where anyone has ever been harmed while taking this protocol in the proper way.
I would just like to add that I am no longer willing to respond to any further questions or complaints of the ilk, "Eeeek!!....OmiGod...But turpentine is a poison!!...Eeeek!!" since I believe that I have adequately proved the case for turpentine/kerosene not being a poison in this stream.
I am also exhausted with all the arguing !!
But if anybody wants answers about turpentine -- other than "Eeeek!!....OmiGod...But turpentine is a poison!!...Eeeek!!" -- I will be happy to answer any questions.
What alot of people have missed from my initial posting at the start of this stream is that I also present the protease enzyme protocol, as well as the turpetine protocol, as particularly quick methods for getting rid of candida and bacterial biofilms in the gut.
So, for a change, let's talk about the protease enzyme option that I mentioned. Dr Peta Cohen has been using protease enzyme protocols very successfully against candida and candida biofilms. When a biofilm initially forms in the gut, its like a fibrin(protein) cage in the form of a micro-slime within the gut mucosa which protects the candida and bacteria residing in it from attack from anti-fungals and from the immune system. This is also a major reason for anti-candida protocols failing to get rid of all the candida and it just never goes away and a good reason why candida just keeps coming back. -- because other anti-candida protocols have no overt method for dissolving or digesting these fibrin biofilms. Futhermore, if these biofilms have had the chance to become mature -- as in people who have had candida for years and years -- then these biofilms become a much denser, hardened fibrin biofilm matrix -- which is like a fortress and is highly protective for the candida and much more difficult to get rid off -- like hardened bacterial plaque on teeth which is also constructed from biofilms.
Dr Peta Cohen has had great success getting rid of candida because of the incorporation of using anti-biofilm protease enzymes(nattokinase and lumbrokinase enzymes) in her protocols, together with heavy metal detox and all-natural anti-microbials including anti-fungals such as tea tree and oregano.
There is also a good product -- called Theramedix CDX -- which contains hemicellulase and chitinase(which dissolves the candida cell wall -- made of chitin) as well as containing plant based enzymes(bromelain and papain) for digesting and removing candida biofilms -- thus exposing the candida and leaving it naked and without protection against anti-fungals. This product has been very successful when taken outside mealtimes and used in an anti-candida protocol together with heavy metal detox.
What alot of people have missed from my initial posting at the start of this stream is that I also present the protease enzyme protocol, as well as the turpetine protocol, as particularly quick methods for getting rid of candida and bacterial biofilms in the gut.
So, for a change, let's talk about the protease enzyme option that I mentioned. Dr Peta Cohen has been using protease enzyme protocols very successfully against candida and candida biofilms. When a biofilm initially forms in the gut, its like a fibrin(protein) cage in the form of a micro-slime within the gut mucosa which protects the candida and bacteria residing in it from attack from anti-fungals and from the immune system. This is also a major reason for anti-candida protocols failing to get rid of all the candida and it just never goes away and a good reason why candida just keeps coming back. -- because other anti-candida protocols have no overt method for dissolving or digesting these fibrin biofilms. Futhermore, if these protective biofilms have had the chance to become mature -- as in people who have had candida for years and years -- then these biofilms become a much denser, hardened fibrin biofilm matrix -- which is like a fortress and is highly protective for the candida and much more difficult to get rid off -- like hardened bacterial plaque on teeth which is also constructed from biofilms.
Dr Peta Cohen has had great success getting rid of candida because of the incorporation of using anti-biofilm protease enzymes(nattokinase and lumbrokinase enzymes) in her protocols, together with heavy metal detox and all-natural anti-microbials including anti-fungals such as tea tree and oregano.
There is also a good product -- called Theramedix CDX -- which contains hemicellulase and chitinase(which dissolves the candida cell wall -- made of chitin) as well as containing plant based protein digesting or fibrinolytic enzymes(bromelain and papain) for digesting and removing candida biofilms -- thus exposing the candida and leaving it naked and without protection against anti-fungals and the immune system. This product has been very successful when taken outside mealtimes and used in an anti-candida protocol together with heavy metal detox. Heavy metals detox must always be included when removing biofilms -- because candida uses heavy metals to construct biofilms. Therefore these heavy metals will be released into the intestines when you disslove biofilms -- so to prevent their re-distribution throughout the body they must immediately be neutralized and removed using EDTA, Chlorella, Sodium thiosulfate etc.
One of the questions with turpentine is it able to reach the candida in the lower small intestines? The problem with a lot of antifungals is whether it will be effective throughout the whole Gi tract and not just the upper GI tract?
Theramedix CDX does not contain chitinase but does contain cellulose. Correct me if i'm wrong but I think chitin and cellulose are slightly different in structure. They might be similiar but not exactly the same in structure
(Interesting that barley seeds contain chitinase)
So the question would be how really effective is cellulase with chitin if they are different in chemical stucture?
Another good method, but quite harsh, is to take laxtives once every 4 days. I would recommend Philip's Milk of Magnesia to get rid of candida throughout the intestines. Not only will MoM kill the candida with its high alkalinity but it also helps to dissolve and remove candida and bacterial biofilms rapidly.
But even taking a laxative(or enemas) is no guarantee of getting rid of candida permanently from the body. Enemas and laxatives will only act locally in the intestines to get rid of candida. So it really depends on whether your candida has already morphed or changed into the fungal or disseminated form of candida. If you already have this fungal form then it will infect the blood, tissues and organs. So will laxatives or enemas -- which will only ever have action in the intestines to get rid of candida -- also get rid of the fungal candida form which may already be in your blood? If you only have candida yeast in your intestines(and do not have the fungal form) then laxatives or nystatin will probably get rid of it. But if you've had candida for years and years then it is much more likely that you will also have the disseminated fungal form which infects the blood outside the intestines. Therefore laxatives, enemas or nystatin will not work and the candida will just keep returning -- because you still have the fungal infection outside the intestines which will act continuously to re-infect and re-populate the intestines again.
Read the blurb from the link to Theramedix. This blurb says that the cellulase also digests chitin. The most important aspect of Theramedix is that it contains fibrinolytic enzymes(protein digesting) that will successfully digest and dissolve biofilms. This digestive action completely de-cloaks and exposes the candida and other bacteria hiding in the biofilms which may then be more successfully killed and eradicated using anti-microbials like lugol's iodine, borax or turpentine. So who needs chitinase anyway ?
Also LI, borax and turpentine act throughout the body to kill fingus -- these nutrients also act bodywide to kill both the yeast and fungal forms of candida -- they don't just have action in the intestines. Nystatin only acts in the intestines to get rid of candida because it is so poorly absorbed into the body. That's why there are no IV or injectable forms of nystatin which also has quite a high toxicity profile.
No calcium ! My autism paediatrician has cured many children of candida and I am encouraged to give calcium phosphate supplements at 3 per day, I mix them into my sons meals. I am encouraged to give multi vitamins, calcium and vitamin d when not available through the sun as I have been told it is very important to keep his nutrition up whilst he has candida because of absorption problems due to the candida. In fact I would be very concerned not to give my son calcium supplements because he is on a wheat, gluten and dairy free diet and calcium is important for strong bones and so is vitamin d otherwise because it can take years to get rid of candida his bones could become weak and brittle and he has lots of food intolerances which he still needs to recover from so the supplements give him his main source of calcium.
I have been diagnosed with Candida. My Dr. didn't do any tests on me - he just asked me a lot of questions about antibiotics, was I a sickly child, did I take trycycling, ECT. He put me on a fairly strict diet and nystatin and then nystatin and dyflucan. Well I was doing great for a while - I had die off symptoms and my energy level really soared for a few weeks. Started losing weight and needing less food to get full - had more energy and slept much much better. But once I was off of the meds I slowly and then more quickly went the other way feeling horrible. Even worse than I had felt originally. I was put back on dyflucan a mere month after being let off of it. A month later I was prounounced cured - but honestly I don't feel cured. I don't know what is happeneing right now - if I am having detox symptoms, liver problems, or candida is coming back for round three. I drink tons of water and take tons of supplements - trying to raise my immune system and glutathione levels up - so I can strengthen my body enough to hold back the candida to normal levles. I only eat organic - lots of fish and chicken, some buffalo and grass fed beef, lots of veggies, almond and coconut milk and tons of water. I also use Dr.Mercola's Whey protein. Not sure exactly what I was supposed to feel like but I have gone from feeling ten years younger to being weak and tired almost all of the time with short bursts of energy. I have lost a ton of weight and after reading some of your article I feel I may be in a canabolic state right now when I thought I was making real progress. I have gone from 230 to 190Lbs in about three months or so. I was very proud of my progress and felt very good about the decisions I had made along the way - aside from eating things I knew I shouldn't for a time. Now I am very very strict. Strictly protein and veggies - almond/coconut milk, water, whey, and that's really it. I do eat berries from time to time when I suspect my blood Sugar is too low. Which has happened a few times. Well thanks for the post and if you read all of this and wish to reply my email is writer is 29 30 at g mail and thanks again.
I just consumed 10 drops of turpentine and sugar, 4:40 local time (Arizona, USA). I am quite nervous. I plan on keeping everyone posted on the outcome. Thank you Slowsmile, without your postings I would not have the courage I do to perform this experiment.
EDIT: I just experienced a violent and gaseous BM. At 5:00 PM. Approx 20 minutes after my consumption of the turpentine. All the while burping and having it taste like turpentine.
About me. I am 6'2", approx 180 lbs, and a `nam baby (my father had been to Vietnam and back before he and my mother had met). I have felt odd as long as I can remember. But it is only since 2008 (date of my 'official' (mis)diagnosis) that Candida has been this extreme.
Not much has occurred since my initial BM (at 5PM). I have however noticed the "rice krispies" in my neck have reduced quite a bit. However my vision (blurry and double image resulting in extreme nearsightedness) has not improved. But this is the first dose, and with such a small amount, not everything can be repaired right away.
Thank you for the encouragement. Unfortunately I have not experienced a "rush" of energy, just an over abundance of lethargy. But this is still in its infancy, so I will keep going. I would post more often, but internet access has been rather poor lately (I only have my phone). Again, thank you for the positive thoughts and I will be posting again soon.
Since around 5, and continuing now (it is currently 8 pm), I have been experiencing a severe headache. I have experienced ones like this before, when I was severely dehydrated. Plenty of water and rest are in my near future. Otherwise all is well, I think.
Day number two of 83 drops of turps on a Sugar cube. Lots of Herx, but nothing positive yet. I am having a difficult time locating molybdenum. If anyone has a known and trusted source, please let me know.
My opinion, lay of the killing strategies totally for a bit, follow strict diet, follow slowsmile protocol for liver and kidney and detox support. Enemas would help. You won't feel better till your detox and elimination systems catch up. Killing candida at this point would make you feel even worse. Strict diet.
Day number three of 83 drops. Herx has calmed down a little, but slurred speach and difficulty talking are still there. Molybdenum is on its way!
Thank you to SlowSmile and HelpForAllOfUs for the encouragement.
Any parasites or candida in stool? Increased elimination? Cleansing is generally a slow process with lots of ups and downs. With what you have down, I would expect to feel badly for about 5 more days. Then as detox and elimination catches up yoy should feel better than before treatment. That is the idea, if it worked. I have only done 1 drop of turp, so I don't have any experience there.
Understandably, if it was detox, and I REALLYhope it is, then it may take a while. As it is on day 7, my vision issues have increased. I believe that is what is causing my balance issues/vertigo. Nothing to do but keep going.
Well, today is day ten of this cycle. I do have to report that I had noticed my typing abilities have sped up. I am now typing faster ,and more accurately, than I did 25 years ago in typing/computing class.
Thank you for the encouragement and I will post again on the next cycle.
Day 9 (yesterday), long productive day. Although I still have vision, speach and balance issues, I feel it was a good day. I was up and about for 15 hours. Long day for me. I was quite tired, hence no post. Sorry.
HELPFORALLOFUS: The brand of turps that I am using is "Klean Strip". Only 1 day left in this 10 day rotation. But to all of the naysayers, I'm still alive after consuming such a toxic "poison".
Hi lemover...What's happening right now is that you are experiencing a rapid candida die-off as as well as a large release of heavy metals from the destruction of biofilms. Both will put a heavy strain on your liver and kidneys so, for a while at least, you will quite naturally feel worse and this will actually exacerbate your symptoms due to these Herx and detox effects. If these effects become truly unbearable, then I would simply stop taling the turpentine for one or two days and then resume the protocol again. This is called pulsing the dose. And if you are taking the one teaspoon a day dose now as advised then do not take one teaspoon a day of turps for more than 10 days without a break. So the rule is 10 days on the turps protocol, then 10 days off the protocol (to give your liver and kidneys a rest).
What should also help you is if you also regularly take something to stop the heavy metals(released in your intestines from the destruction of biofilms) from being redistributed throughout your body. You can take chlorella or sodium thiosulfate or EDTA etc for this which will act to more efficiently chelate and remove these heavyy metals safelyy from your body.
I would also drink green tea every day -- at least 3 times a day. Green tea will also help to detox your body of heavy metals safely and also helps to kill candida as well because of its tannin content. Eat fresh cilantro in salads 3 times a week also helps to get rid of heavy metals from the body.
Supplement molybdenum or sodium molybdate. Molybdenum both kills candida and also neutralizes the candida waste product poisons in your blood. Supplemwnt sodium molybdate at 25 mgs a day for two weeks only then stop this protocol. Powdered sodium molybdate is hard to get, so if you cannot get it in the powdered form then buy the pills at the 900 mcg dose(max RDA dose) and take this dose 3 times a day. Molybdenum is required as the central metallic element for the aldehyde dehydrogenase enzyme in the body. This enzyme gets rid of alcohols as well poisonous aldehydes that are produced so profusely by the candida in your body. And once you neutralize these poisons, you will feel much better -- both mentally and physically.
Just take the molybdenum or sodium molybdate for two weeks at 25 mgs per day and then take a week off. Then resume -- two weeks on, one week off. This latter dosage only applies if you are taking the 25 mgs dosage. This does not apply if you are taking the 900 microgram dosages. 25 mgs is approx 25 times more molybdenum per day than the 900 mcg dosage. You can take the RDA of 900 mcg dosage everyday non-stop without problems because molybdenum is not very toxic to the body.
One question. Where I live I don't know if we do have distilled kerosene or turpentine. What we have on island is Petrol (gasoline), Diesel and kerosene. These are usually kept in drums. Is this the kind of kerosene you guys are talking about? This kerosene we have smells like diesel and has some very faint green color. We use it for treating external wound but I never heard of ingesting it. Please advise.
The kerosene used for supplementation should be either clear or slightly yellow -- not blue, pink or green. I'm afraid I don't know where you live -- but if you live in America you could use Klean-Strip - 1 K Kerosene. In Australia you could use Diggers Low Odour Kerosene. This article by Walter Last will help you:
Sounds like your greenish kerosene has additives so I wouldn't use it. Generally low odor kerosene -- with a color which is clear to slightly yellow and with a distillation BP of 150 C - 200 C may be used. Other types of kerosene that can be used are advised by Walter Last here.