I have been struggling with ideopathic neuropathy for over two years. I had all Amalgams removed June 2010. I have done two rounds of DMSA and ALA undr the Cutler protocol. The first round, I felt kind of tired, and by the third day, my back was pretty sore. The neuropathy (which tends to come and go) was better while taking the chelators. Two days after stopping, the neuropathy came back in full force. I just finished my second round. After the first day, my back started hurting really bad (in the same places). My kidneys were aching, and I had considerable pressure in my chest. These symptoms remained until I stopped the supplements. The neuropathy was "better". Now it is two days post chelation and the pins and needles are back. So..... my question IS..... According to Andy (in everything I've read), symptoms should be worse "on" and slightly better "off". Has anyone else ad the experience of this opposite effect, i.e. symtpoms better while taking the chelators and back on after. I don't think its redistribution.... any thoughts?
>>Also don't listen to this guy above me any sort of cleanse is NOT part of Andy's protocol and can cause even more problems.
These sort of messages freak me out a little. Why is one required to stick to one teacher/cleanse protocol religiously?
I agree that chelation seriously helps, I use it myself-
But I grabbed soledago (goldenseal herb) tea immediately after listening to Dr. Mercola in an interview about mercury cleansing.
It did indeed relieve a lot of the anxiety after taking it. Mercury re-settles between chelation rounds, and the feeling crappy through the whole body is hitting the kidneys pretty hard (because all the mercury has to go out the lymph system).
I feel there is important information to gather from the different professionals, and it is a lack of communication and networking that prevents a good deal of success-both in getting the messag out, but also in alleviating a lot more symptoms.
"Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed." (from the book of Proverbs)
Yes, there are problems with having too much information and no idea who to choose from, but it's good to know the terrain well so you have multiple battle strategies available to you.
I would suggest looking into your diet as Andy writes about anti-Candida sort of diets before/when/after chelating... I've been on such a diet for more than 4 weeks now and I've just finished my first 2-weeks round on ALA alone and I feel pretty good. I'm sure your diet (and it must be strict) plays a huge role in the whole process!
My kidneys are doing the same thing. I did 6 rounds of just DMSA and felt great energy except I noticed a tingling in my hands and ankles upon wakening. Also my kidneys started aching. I found a product called 'Renelix' that really helps. Dr Schulxes herbs might be the last resort if that doesn't help.
I am now on my fourth round of ALA/DMSA and I dont feel as great as I did on just DMSA so every other time I just do DMSA.
I heard Cutler on internet radio yesterday. I would encourage you to listen to it.
How I cured 7 years of epilepsy naturally. I had grand-mall seizures almost daily for 7 years and I don't believe in medical doctors except for car accidents and stitching up fingers when you accidentally clobber one with a meat cleaver. The seizures were so bad that my partner was stuffing rags into my mouth so I wouldn't bite off my tongue. I said to my God that if i couldn't handle this myself, that I'm ready to get out of here.
This is what came to me. I started detoxing heavy metals. I used all kinds of natural methods. Did this over several years. Got so far into it that I started giving classes on it. That helped a lot. I realized where this problem came from. I have been Sugar sensitive all my life and it was finally catching up with me. I had to change my diet. This has been the most difficult part. After all this I had gotten the seizures down to once a month - caused by coffee now. Even decaf was a problem. Finally I grew some medical marijuana and learned an easy way to process it into a sort of Ric Simpson oil. This worked wonders and was healing to many other problems I have been living with. I am 73 years young and have not been to a medical doctor for 27 years except to stitch up my index finger from chopping it with a meat cleaver.
Cheers and thank you for sharing!!
I am trying to cleanse from heavy metals too.
Glove-type neuropathy down the hands and legs, but there's a surge in feeling well (albeit with some dizziness and a little fog) after the day's dose of supreme fulvic (fulvic/humic acid complex).
Absorbing with some psyllium/bentonite/AC mix as well, 2x a day, and a vegetable/fruits only raw diet.
Tips or links appreciated!
Diabetes type 1 started after 2 Amalgam fillings were put in, so -iz very relevant to mah interests-. (They have been removed).
Dr. Klinghardt has an intersting pointer that there's bacterium which defend themselves by putting the inorganic minerals in their cell walls and white blood cells die on contact.. And it's the bacterium which release so many ROS species into the blood.
I praise God for the meat-cleaver people, medical deception needs a lot of amputations done to clear out the lies!
I have been getting harassed By "joegrane" on the yahoo chelation board for some time now and I just want people to know he is hateful, discriminatory against ppl with mental impairments and is also prejudice. Ever since starting chelation I have developed incoherent writing and subpar thought processes due to side effects. He has constantly issued indirect insinuative verbal attacks against me and does Not answer my post unless it is an attack. I will not be going back to the yahoo chelation board. For it is supposed to be a place for sick people it provokes attacks from a person who supposed to be a moderator and supporter of health issues. Please note this person is an antagonist to what he's supposed to represent.
Can you provide a link to an example of a post that you found offensive?
Have the neuropathy-like symptoms gone away?
I sure hope so. A close female friend had those after she accidentally took 100mg ALA daily for 10 days in a new formulation of the multivitamin that had been recommended by a former doctor.
For a short while she even had burning brain. In retrospect she says she thought she was dying.
Then for some number of weeks she would just get some tingly hands in the morning after she ended her detox round with DMPS + ALA (cutler protocol.)
When she started to take extra antioxidants--vitamin C, E, selenium--8 hours after the last dose of the round, the neuropathy-like symptoms went away.
Thankfully all of that is well behind her now. She's been like a slowly blossoming rose bud. She's so much more stress tolerant and able to think straight in stressful situations. She's more relaxed and at ease in life. She's developing a sense of humor!
It has been a joy to watch the transformation. Unfortunately it is such a slow process! : (
I wish the same for you--only faster, if possible!
Btw. I am an assistant manager of a non profit that invites young adults with Aspergers and other develpmental challenges to come to receive career training and opportunities to interact socially with our staff and volunteers. I've worked directly with people suffering with "mental imparements" on a nearly daily basis for quite a few years. I think my own former imparements from years of undiagnosed lead toxicity help me to better understand these young people and compassionately help them to learn and heal.
Just want to start a post here where i explain my progress with candida, parasites and bodyhealth in general.
I have been browsing curezone for more than 5 years now and i have got alot of useful tips and help on how to tackle my health issues. I have learned alot and think that i can provide alot of good information about different detoxes, protocols, and other tips on how i healed myself from these symptoms. I dont claim to have the one and only solution to these problems. but i think that i can offer people alot of good ideas and a piece of mind when it comes to battleing these often hard to get rid of issues.
THIS IS WHAT I HAVE GOT RID OF
-I have got rid of my candidiasis -infection(itching of the skin, dry flaky skin, bad breath),
-Bunch of stomach issues,
-physical health problems,
-Mental health problems (biggest change lies here. although its hard to put your finger on what have changed except me just beeing so much more outgoing and open to everything)
-i can eat gluten again (think this is in connection to healing my leaky gut. i stayed away from gluten all together for a year)
SO THIS IS MY THEORY AND WHAT HAVE WORKED FOR ME:
The reason for getting parasites, yeastinfections(candida) and viruses in the first place, is an impaired immune system.
I consider an impaired immune system to include bad liverfunction, digestion and your organs capacity in general.
If you immunesystem doesn't have the possibility to work on max capacity, you are bound to get some issues within the body. Low immunefunction is the reason for yeast and parasites and the result of ackumulated toxins in the body.
WHAT I DID
first and foremost. The most important part: DIET.
Adhere to a beneficial diet that supports your body during your cleanses.
I would suggest going with the 'candida diet' during your time of cleansing as it is a healthy, mostly alkaline, and GI-friendly one.
people with parasites, candida and heavy toxic loads generally, in my opinion, have messed up GI-tracts, leaky gut and will have trouble digesting food properly.
If however you should be able to digest food without problem i would suggest going with a low fat all vegan diet.This is something im eating according to alot these days myself. and it's really nice.
VERY IMOPRTANT to buy organic food. especially when it comes to grains and products that may include glyphosate(round up), and heavy metals.
In my opinion a BIG part of our health issues today. Parasite cleansing should be the #1 focus when starting to do cleanses at all. They cause alot of problems in the body, and are responsible for alot of illnesses that mainstream medicine have branded as something else. i belive migraine and diabetes are two of these. Other than that i would refer to Hulda Clark s information on them any day. ALOT of interesting information there.
Most important part to understand when trying to battle candida is that it is only a safety response by your body to encapsule toxins and heavy metals within the body so that the toxins dont roam free and cause damage. the candida creates biofilms around the toxins to quarantine it. So as long as you focus on killing of the candida with antifungals, it will keep growing back. you have to get rid of the toxins it is trying to protect you from to rid the candida all together.
although you can bring your Candida Infection down to a reasonable amount, even though you still have heavy metals in your body, which i would recommend.
SO, firstly before getting into the specifics:
First of all, if you have not done a single parasite/candida/bowel cleanse, i suggest you start with doing cleanses to get your parasite/candida population down to a reasonable amount. and to clear detox pathways.
I myself used Miracle-Mineral-Supplement 1 when starting my 'health journey'. i cleared ALOT of yeast, parasites and whatever else was in my GI tract with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . I highly recommend using MMS for cleansing as it is such a powerful and quick way to get rid of yeast and parasites, rather than 'green juicing' for weeks to get the same results. Id rather feel really bad for a short period of time than detoxing for a long time and feel a little bad during that entire time.
But i guess that is up to personal preference. Go with the one you feel works best for you. 'green juicing' way of detoxing is probably safer than quick ones. Although something in my mind tells me that flushing out the parasites eco-system in one go with a dose of MMS1 (which kills most parasites on contact)is better than just making the environment in your bowels inhospitable to them. Feels like the systemic spread (which to some extent depending on how heavy your parasite burden is, will occur) will be less.
Anyway. this is up to personal preference. There are many ways to skin a cat. and as long as you are getting these toxins out of you, you are on the right track.
I should mention that i have had GREAT success with doing MMS enemas on myself. i would encorporate this any day to my cleansing protocol as it is hard to reach your colon with the MMS if taken by mouth. You get ALOT of things out when doing MMS enemas.
Read up on this if you dont know what it is prior to doing detoxes. it is what makes you feel bad when clearing toxins from your body. This is to be expected.
Detoxing and cleansing is hard on your liver. Do some liverflushing in between your detoxing if you had "rough" detoxing periods. your liver needs to be in great shape all the time when clearing out toxins.
I recommend doing the egg yolk Liver Flush as it is easier and less harsh than the epsom-salt one. and i have had great results with the egg yolk one.
HEAVY METAL DETOX
In my opinion the main reason for yeast issues and parasite issues in the body. Heavy metals stalls and screws up so many functions in the human body that after we have been poisoned with a resonable amount, we are basically an open playground for parasites, yeasts, viruses and other harmful organisms.
We get heavy metals from vaccines, chemtrails, contaminated foods etc.
I have had a HUGE change in personality and health since i started ridding myself of heavy metals.
The way i did it was with ANDY CUTLERS protocols on chelation.
I used ALA + DMPS.
I felt really overgrown by yeast during the time i used ALA + DMSA. but you can probably use whichever you feel comfortable with.
It takes alot of 'rounds' as is stated in andy cutlers protocol to get the heavy metals down to a level where they dont cause too much problems. so dont expect your candida to be all gone after one cleanse.
IMPORTANT. clearing out heavy metals is very hard on your liver. so make sure to go in a slow pace and do liverflushes (egg yolk works great) once in a while when doing heavy metal detoxes.
This is where all the symptoms of my candidiasis (itching of the skin particulary) dissapeared (even after eating sugary stuff). supplement yourself with 3 drops of NASCENT Iodine (which is what i used) 3 times a day on an empty stomach. I felt really tired during this time. I believe it was because the remaining Candida Overgrowth of my skin was getting killed of.
I did this for two weeks approx and got rid of ALL my itching of the skin after that. (it is still gone, although i supplement myself with Iodine once in a while, 3 drops every other day or smt like that). and i have been eating alot of sugary stuff since then. (backpacking trip to south america. hard to stay health there(!))
so this basically sums it up.
And remember. Your health is fully dependent on what you are putting into your mouth. Eat organic, pesticide free food. And read up on the alternative sources regarding vaccines before you consider taking them. They are basically coctails of toxins created to make you sick
Lets say you have detoxed and cleansed so that your health is at 100% of capacity. The only thing that will keep it there is healthy living and understanding of how new toxins will enter your system.
How often do parasites cause weight loss and frequent, urgent trips to the bathroom?
When I had a parasite infection I experienced those symptoms. Initially the first 5 lbs of weight loss were welcome. However, just before I went for medical assistance I had lost 10lbs. I was still loosing weight while trying to re-gain weight!
just a tip to add to your healing. ascorbic acid kills colds and the flu and builds up your immune system and it goes into every part of the body. patients who doctors said wouldn't make it were given 100,000 mg of ascorbic acid daily and recovered from leukemia and cancer and diabetes. healthier sick people should take maybe 3,000 mg a day in 1000 mg pills and i guarantee results you wont believe. been there done that and it works. it kills yeast germs and parasites. yeast is the #1 problem for every disease known to man. it is a fungus-mildew & mold and in your stomach it turns to poison. its not bread its the yeast. do not eat leavened bread a message from god over 5,000 years ago. he made bread to love and enjoy. do not eat products with yeast it spreads throughout your whole 100% body from hair to toenails and it depresses you while its. eating at your organs.
The dose of DMSA is what I'd expect a rather sick person to try, someone who struggles to work or who is disabled. It might be used by someone who has to work to support a family and so can't afford to have more than tiny amounts of side effects.
The dose frequency is what Andy C recommends for most people. Some people prefer taking DMSA every 3 hrs. I am one.
AC really stresses the importance of taking generous amounts of antioxidants while kicking up heavy metals HMs. That includes 1000 IU or more Vitamin E.
At times he can be a blunt, grumpy old professor as seen below. However that is part of the reason I like him. He is semi-retired so he doesn't have to care what anyone in the "establishment" thinks about him. He can just say what he thinks based on the Science as he understands it. http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/45458.html
That is also why I like Boyd Haley, PhD Chemistry and Stephanie Seneff, a PhD researcher at MIT. They are grey haired professors who just tell you what they think. They are not MDs who have to worry about medical boards, insurance companies, etc.
I wake to take extra antioxidants a few hours after my last dose of the round to help with mop up. This includes selenium that binds quite well with HMs.
Cutler's short list of supplements also includes magnesium and zinc.
More than a few of us get stiff muscles while on round. For me it tends to be my neck, calves maybe lower back or lower abdomen. Mg, electrolytes and extra fluids seem to help.
Zinc and some HMs are chemically similar and so compete to some extent. Zn is used in so many enzymes in our body. This is one reason that HMs cause so many different symptoms.
If you feel no side effects while on round and the day after, and you are not very sick, you might try 12mg doses on the next round. 12mg is a more common starting dose in people who are not very sick.
You will likely benefit from some supplements, maybe dietary changes based on your symptoms. This could include support for adrenals, maybe thyroid, low gluten and sugar, etc. A few people are sensitive to high sulfur foods and supplements.
Looks like I have to stop taking dmsa because I'm starting to feel some kind of tightness and bubbling feeling in my lower mid back(kidney?). I hope it stops eventually. I'm thinking of trying to detox and support kidney and liver first before starting again.
I have read about dr Haley. He said his product OSR#1 was a good product but FDA stopped it. I heard his new product ndmi which might be coming out end of this year will be just as good. I read they are not as harsh to liver and kidney like the dmsa or ala can. I have also read a little bit about a company called quicksilver(just do a google search). They don't like using dmsa to detox and prefer their product instead. They have some free webinar explaining the Science of heavy metal detox. Has anyone heard of it?
I'm not surprised about the tightness in your back if you were not taking magnesium as Cutler strongly recommends. I mentioned it in my previous post.
Chris Shade of Quicksilver has some youtube videos. You'll see from them that everyone makes some mistakes along with way. Even people with PhD in chemistry don't think this through carefully before jumping in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc3eTtY39eU
Andy Cutler talks about his early mistakes in some of his yahoo group posts.
However we should learn from their mistakes and be more prepared.
The Files section of yahoo's frequent dose chelation group has fairly simple tips for using DMSA.
Honestly unless you know you have mostly a lead problem I'd use DMPS. Cutler says most people can take it every 6-8 hrs. It often has a smoother feel to it--fewer side effects--however a few people get a rash and so cant take it.
My understanding is that Haley's OSR was just renamed, has been in testing in Europe for a few years. I don't think it is a true "chelator" that helps the body to get rid of heavy metals. I think it is an antioxidant like selenium that binds rather tightly with HMs so they don't do so much damage.
When I was considering options for my HM problem--mostly work related lead and cadmium--OSR was still available. I decided to start with the chelators with a longer track record--DMSA--along with ALA to remove mercury from the brain--when used correctly! After a year of that I would reevaluate my situation and possibly try OSR.
I did well on DMSA + ALA during my first 1.5 yrs and so did not experiment with OSR. My bone density and kidney blood tests normalized. I got a number of less impressive gains--improved food sensitivities, no eye floaters, improved mood, memory, endurance, less introverted personality, etc.
Some people in yahoo's adult metal chelation have tried Quicksilver's products. Again these are relatively new. I'd give the well estabilshed methods a try first--DMPS, DMSA-- and let them get rid of most of the HMs before resorting to one of the newer products.
If you use ALA to try to move mercury out of your brain, be sure to use it frequently enough and after getting rid of HMs in your silver fillings, etc.
Again the FDC group files simplify the instructions and gives you another place to ask questions. There is a Cutler group in Facebook as well.
I have an unusual health condition for trying chelation. I have a noname brain disorder for almost 7 years. I believe it was caused by a chemical trauma 7 years ago. Eyedrop medication(cyclogyl, prednisolone and maxidex for iritis treatment) somehow seeped into my brain during sleep and caused a very intense reaction in my brain. I managed to recover after a couple of days but a few days later, my noname brain disorder developed. My chronic symptom is constant tightness and pulsating at core of my brain causing constant mental exhaustion. I believe maybe some kind of toxic chemical/metal in the medication that seeped into my brain triggered my symptom/disease. I'm just trying chelation(chelating the body first before brain) hoping my symptom would get better.
I read ALA is the bullet for chelating the brain. But I think I'm going to do a typical herbal detox(12 days) to improve my liver and kidney before I start dmsa/dmps, then do the ALA combo. If this don't work, do quicksilver or nbmi. Maybe do IV chelation if that don't work. I guess this is the best way to go for me. Thanks
3 months ago I started chelation with DMSA+ALA+6.5 mg.
After first round i got urinary infection, after 2nd round floaters and white flashes. I stopped after that.
I am not sure what to do because I have 5 root canals and I don't know if I have some mercury inside of them. I removed all my amalgams.
I think I will be not able to o more chelation. Any advice?
Sorry, I missed your post. Are you still looking for a comment?
DMSA can be tough on the immune system for some people.
I had to use DMSA for my lead problem and did not have much of a problem. However at the first onset of even a scratchy throat, I had to avoid detox for a week or so. Otherwise it tended to blow up into a full-blown sinus infection.
Taking *high dose* zinc lozenges such the one at lef.org have been quite helpful for this situation. I also have used a cvs zn tablet. Since starting on the lozenges I've not had the problem with the sinus infections. Maybe several years of detox have helped my immune system as well.
Remember vitamin D is important for the immune system.
Do you take the Cutler-recommended supporting supplements, esp Vit C, E, Zn, Mg?
I used to get eye "floaters" every few months for a number of years before detox. After a couple years of detox I have not had any. That is one of the very minor symptoms that greatly improved or went away with detox. Those are symptoms that would not have even made it onto a list of my symptoms at the beginning. I was trying to avoid ending up in a wheel chair due to bone density problem and trying to avoid a worsening of my kidney numbers. Thankfully both normalized after a couple years of detox.
Many people prefer to take DMPS along with ALA. It seems to provide a smoother ride.
With Hg under a root canal I'd expect strange headaches or strange sensations in the jaw plus other strange symptoms that you did not have before starting detox.
Maybe you just got a UTI coincidentally. Any history of them?
enterosgel is an intestinal absorbent made from polymethylsiloxane polyhydrate supposed to absorb toxins. Was better while i was on it i thinkt. I haven't started the chelation yet, as i am besieged with this blasto.h infection (very difficult yeast parasite) Its so hard to know how to go about this - as its just taken over my whole digestive system. In your opinion Joe, should i start chelating and taking antifungals (like pomegranate peel powder is the only one said to work on this damn thing - just making it now) Should i do that at the same time? I'm trying to save money by not ordering Andys book - crap idea probably i should just get it. I know i have lead toxicity from art school, does the book go into that too? Because my liver struggles so much i believe i don't have enough bile, and i see this is a problem too not only with mercury but also parasites. I'm very unsure on how to skin this cat. Any help wildly appreciated.
His Amalgam Illness book touches on lead and arsenic a little but there are good sections of his hair test book on them.
If you did not have the liver problems I'd probably encourage you to get the hair test book; however, with liver problems, AI book is a very handy resources. I highly recommend it for that and adrenal issues.
I don't know the implications of chelating with AC protocol along with taking enterosgel. However after skimming the FAQ at the mfgr's site it does not seem to be for heavy metals, rather other toxins.
I'm not being critical of it. It might be helpful. I don't know.
Hi - i have had two hair mineral tests in the past year from doctors data and they showed elevated uranium. levels went from 0.16 to 0.2 ug/g. this has me very concerned since i have had no exposure to radioative materials and drink mountain spring bottled water 90% of the time. My doctor wants to perform a urine test with and without DMSA challenge but i am afraid to take such a high dose of DMSA for the test since i may have impaired renal clearance issues. Any idea how i can detrmine if i in fact do have uranium poisoning and if so what can i do to get it out of my body? thanks so much
Does the hair test have a strange, improbable patterns of essential elements such as almost all essential elements low or low norm, or 4 or more esential elements in the red or just too few elements in the green and white areas?