>>>Watch the supplementation without the tools to kill the critters.
The magnesium deficiency caused by Lyme holds down Bartonella, Rickettsia and those fevers, the zinc deficiency caused by EBV and Herpes keeps that under control. Increasing zinc without the proper ratio of copper is painful...
I don't know what my copper level is (Newport, did it show up on the SCIO for you, or how do you know?), but I'm especially interested in experimenting with the supplements Cutler is talking about to see if it makes a difference with my chronic liver function. I take IP6 already too. It makes sense that with my liver not functioning very well for some time, that oxidized copper would be an issue. (?)
Cloves have manganese, but what dosage of cloves, and is that enough for what Cutler is talking about here? And should a fresh supply of copper be taken then daily through a supplement of some sort for a fresh source while working on eliminating the oxidized?
Cutler says (pg 99)
"Many people have impaired excretion of copper. This may be genetic or acquired. Normally, 80% of copper excretion is via the bile, 16% via intestinal secretions, and 4% via urine. Biliary and intestinal secretions are ultimately excreted in the feces.
A normal person's copper half life is about 35 days. For a person who is not excreting any copper in their bile, the half life increases to about 175 days and body concentrations of copper increase about 5 fold. This can bring copper levels into the toxic range. The symptoms are usually psychiatric.
In addition to genetic problems, anything that interferes with bile secretion, such as Gallstones or other liver disease, will cause elevation of body copper.
Lipoic acid increases coppper in urine and somewhat in intestinal secretions but eliminates copper secretion in the bile. Thus for a copper toxic person lipoic acid may be helpful or harmful, and the correct measurement is fecal copper rather than urinary copper. If fecal copper increases with lipoic acid, it is helpful in clearing the body of copper, but if it decreases the LA is a hindrance and will further increase body levels.
The normal intake of copper is 2-5 mg per day of which 40-60% or 1-3 mg is absorbed. Someone who is not secreting copper in their bile needs to limit absorption to 0.2 to 0.6 mg daily to keep tissue copper within normal limits.
***Vitamin C in large amounts, zinc, and molybdenum hinder copper absorption from the intestine. Taking 10-20 mg of zinc, 250-1,000 mcg of molybdenum, 250-500 mg of calcium and 2 G of vitamin C every time you eat will greatly reduce copper absorption. Taking zinc and manganese in a ration of 20:1 will increase the urinary excretion of copper.***
Low levels of thyroid hormone increase body copper, and increased thyroid hormone as well as cortisol lower it. Ensuring that you have adequate levels of thyroid hormone and cortisol for your body's needs is important in making sure you excrete copper adequately.
Copper helps make hemoglobin, red blood cells and bone. Low copper reduces these and also leads to a reduced sense of taste.
Vitamins A, B3, B5, B6, and C antagonize the effects of copper, as does iron. Appropriate supplementation with these may reduce the toxic effects of elevated copper levels.
I meant to ask them seperately so they were more clear, sorry--
The multi-vitamin I had been taking was through the ND, they can't be bought except through the practitioners..and he's out of them. It had 2 mg of copper glycinate chelate in it.
I've been looking up the molybdenum on iherbs, after reading the Cutler link you gave, and after reading from his book...and I don't know if I should also get a "fresh copper supply" supplement to go with the supplements he says to take for eliminating the oxidized copper.
Too much mercury but also too much copper. Since both mercury and
copper are primarily excreted in bile, this also indicates too little
bile may be flowing, as can happen for many reasons including
Taking lecithin (or phosphatidylcholine which is concentrated
lecithin), glycine, taurine and milk thistle extract makes the bile
have more ability to dissolve up Gallstones so it can flow better.
Taking 50 mg zinc + 1000-2000 mcg Molybdenum 4 times a day reduces
copper absorption and increases copper excretion. Since mercury and
copper are synergistic, this should make you feel better. Some
improvement should be noted in a month or so, you may need to do this
for 3-6 months to get it under control.
One again, Mag Malate to keep bile flowing is the #1 supplement. To increase bile production you can add Taurine as well.
In another post you had the combo of Zinc + Moly (20:1) increasing urine output by 12%, so I started taking them together and at almost that ratio and it does seem to work. 12.5mg Zinc Chelate and 500mcg of Moly-B.
It is difficult to comment on how much of this is underlying and how much of it is due to the ALA I am taking...
I just reread it, it's from Cutler's book. I'm just getting ready to order some moly, but I think it's the zinc/manganese ration you meant, rather than zinc/moly.
The zinc I just got is too high of a dosage (50 mg) The multi I had been taking, had moly in it, but not a high enough dosage for what I would want here, I'm getting it by itself.
>>>Vitamin C in large amounts, zinc, and molybdenum hinder copper absorption from the intestine. Taking 10-20 mg of zinc, 250-1,000 mcg of molybdenum, 250-500 mg of calcium and 2 G of vitamin C every time you eat will greatly reduce copper absorption. Taking zinc and manganese in a ration of 20:1 will increase the urinary excretion of copper.***
There's some stuff I don't fully agree with in the Townsend letter about the Lyme toxins- (protein), but I found this to be interesting about Molybdenum too:
The mineral molybdenum, available in capsule form, can dramatically aid in the detoxification of the toxins caused by the dysfunction of multiple tissues in chronic illness. Molybdenum is very useful for detoxifying the toxin aldehyde from the die-off of Candida-type yeast. This is important to Lyme sufferers because aldehydes are considered neurotoxins, or nerve poisons. Aldehydes are also the toxins responsible for the hangover experienced by drinking excessive amounts of alcohol. I know of many Lyme patients who complain of this hung-over feeling without having drunk any alcohol. (However, it is our experience that molybdenum will not detoxify the specific Bb toxin.) Even though Lyme sufferers should use molybdenum to get rid of the aldehyde toxins, they also need to drink plenty of purified water to keep the everyday metabolic toxins flushed out of the tissues. Taking molybdenum will help slow the degeneration of tissues and related symptoms from the toxic overload.
Normal zinc serum levels are 66–110 μg/dL -- that's *A LOT* compared to possibly mercury values even if they were elevated.
Most zinc is bound to albumin, which is the by far most abundant protein in blood. Which means if there's more zinc it too will be bound to albumin for the most part (80-90%), meaning additional zinc won't be any easier to bind to for Hg than what is already there.
Given the MUCH higher amount of zinc already present in blood at any given time I don't see how taking zinc could possibly make any difference.
>>>Molybdenum is required by the body to manufacture several important enzymes, (aldehyde-dehydrogenase and aldehyde-oxidase) which allow the liver to neutralize a powerful and otherwise relatively inert neurotoxin, acetaldehyde as well as the enzymes required to break down sulfite and xanthine. Acetaldehyde is a toxin produced as a metabolic waste material of yeast and fungal organisms that accumulates in unhealthy intestinal environments, circulating blood, liver and other tissues and organs of individuals with candida albicans overgrowth.
- Conversely, such metals as lead and mercury may interfere with the synthesis of ceruloplasmin or ferritin,
contributing to copper toxicity problems.
- The trace metal pattern of iron-storage disease suggests a relationship of iron, molybdenum, lead and
possibly copper as a cause of these diseases.
- A low tissue copper level is frequently associated with an elevated lead level. It has been established that
lead blocks copper en-zymatic reactions. The blocking of enzymatic reactions has serious ramifications on
many of life's most vital processes..
- Cases of multiple sclerosis, all of which had in common a dietary exposure to lead, have been reported.
Lead adversely alters copper metabolism as one aspect of its toxicity.
- High levels of lead, copper, zinc and chromium in the body tissues may tend to in-crease the tooth's
susceptibility to decay.
So what came first? Copper due to Hg toxicity or Lead?
Many who undertake nutritional balancing programs based on hair mineral analysis at some point begin to eliminate a lot of copper. This can cause symptoms such as headaches, skin rashes, anxiety, fatigue, testicular pain in men, changes in the menstrual cycle in women, irritability, weepiness or emotional sensitivity.
These symptoms are temporary, but can be annoying and cause some to discontinue the nutrition program when in fact it is working perfectly well. This bulletin explores what to do when one is eliminating copper.
WHY COPPER REACTIONS OCCUR
Most people have deficiencies of zinc, manganese and other minerals that contribute to excessive accumulation of copper in the body tissues. As one replenishes the zinc and other vital minerals, the body begins to eliminate excess copper.
Free or unbound copper, however, is quite toxic. Copper is a powerful oxidant, meaning it can inflame the tissues and cause oxidant damage. To avoid toxicity, it must be wrapped up or bound to protein molecule. Sulfur amino acids found in eggs and meats are helpful for this. Adequate adrenal glandular activity is also required for the liver to produce enough copper binding proteins.
To eliminate copper, it is first mobilized from tissue storage sites and moved into the blood. The blood transports it to the liver and kidneys through which it is eliminated. Symptoms occur because a lot of copper may be dumped into the blood at once, and it is not cleared from the blood rapidly enough by the liver and kidneys. Also, there is often a deficiency of the copper binding proteins, ceruloplasmin and metallothionine, due to sluggish liver production of these proteins. Remaining in the blood, especially in an unbound form, copper may cause headaches and other symptoms.
To stop the symptoms of copper elimination one may slow the mobilization of copper from tissue storage sites, assist the binding of copper and speed up the clearing of copper from the blood. The objective is to eliminate as much copper as possible as rapidly as possible without causing annoying symptoms.
To slow mobilization of copper from the tissues, the simplest way is to stop the nutritional supplement program for about three days. One may continue taking digestive enzymes such as Hcl-pepsin or GB-3, but discontinue the rest. After three days, resume the program taking only one dose of supplements per day. If one remains symptom-free after five days, increase to two doses of supplements per day. If one remains symptom-free after five more days, increase to three doses per day. This will take care of many copper elimination symptoms.
To help clear copper from the blood, eat some eggs or animal protein regularly and get plenty of rest. The protein is helpful and eggs in particular are rich in sulfur-containing amino acids. Avoid constipation, taking magnesium or extra GB-3 if needed. Drink at least six eight-ounce glasses of water each day. If symptoms persist, the following supplements may be helpful. These particular product names are from Endomet Laboratories. Other brands are also available.
Moly-Cu. This product contains 100 mcg of molybdenum that binds with copper to reduce its toxic effects. It also helps the liver eliminate copper. The product also contains Russian black radish, an herb high in sulfur. Sulfur also binds with copper, reducing its toxic effects. Sulfur is also important for liver detoxification. The product also contains parsley, an herb helpful for the kidneys. An adult dosage is three to six tablets daily as needed. Molybdenum is particularly helpful if one’s hair sodium/potassium ratio is low. Hair must not be washed at the laboratory for accurate readings.
L-Taurine. Taurine is an essential amino acid deficient in many people's diets. High in sulfur, it can donate a sulfate molecule that helps bind copper to reduce its toxicity and facilitate its removal. An adult dosage is one gram three times a day with meals.
GB-3. This product contains ox bile and dehydrocholic acid that enhance bile flow and contains Russian black radish, a source of sulfur. By enhancing liver activity, it can increase the rate of copper elimination by the liver. An adult dosage is two to three tablets three times a day with meals.
ICMN. This product contains 200 mg of methionine, another sulfur containing amino acid that is a precursor for taurine and helpful for liver detoxification. It also contains 200 mg of choline and 200 mg of inositol which are also helpful for liver detoxification.
N-acetyl cysteine is another sulfur-containing compound that may help with severe copper elimination symptoms.
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine or pyridoxal-5-phosphate). This is another copper antagonist that may be helpful during a copper elimination.
Products that are less recommended during a copper elimination are vitamin C and zinc. They are most helpful in some instances, but not in others. Vitamin C is an excellent copper chelator but by stimulating adrenal activity may cause more copper to be dumped into the blood stream. Zinc replaces copper in the liver and elsewhere. It too can force more copper into the blood stream, exacerbating copper elimination symptoms.
OTHER PROCEDURES FOR COPPER SYMPTOMS
Other procedures can also assist with copper elimination symptoms. Slow walking and deep breathing calm the nerves and promote activity of the parasympathetic nervous system. This system activates the liver, kidneys and intestines to help remove copper.
coffee enemas stimulate bile flow and enhance liver detoxification. They can be very effective to relieve a headache associated with copper elimination. One may take one or even two of these daily, adding two tablespoons of regular coffee to two cups of boiling water and letting it simmer for five minutes. When the water is body temperature, one places the water in an enema bag. One must retain the enema 15 minutes for maximum effectiveness.
Sauna baths or massage therapy enhance circulation and help decongest the internal organs such as the liver and kidneys. The infrared light sauna will give the best results and may be used up to twice a day for 50 minutes at a time. The sauna inhibits the sympathetic nervous system, enhances eliminative organ activity and one can sweat out some copper through the skin.
Acupressure or acupuncture can balance the flow of qi or subtle energy through the liver and kidneys. In some cases, this too will be helpful. Chiropractic treatment can clear nerve blockages that may be interfering with the activity of the liver and kidneys.
Releasing fear is also a powerful way to assist copper elimination. Fear has a paralyzing effect on the body, affecting the activity of many organs. Also, copper toxicity is associated with negative emotions. Allowing oneself to give up these emotions frees up energy that assists all the organs that are involved with copper metabolism.
THE BENEFITS OF COPPER ELIMINATION
If tempted to quit a nutrition program due to copper elimination symptoms, recall the benefits of getting rid of excess copper from the body. Copper toxicity is associated with a weakened immune system and the serious diseases that follow.
Copper toxicity is associated with mental and emotional symptoms including anxiety, depression, mood swings, panic disorder, crying spells and even a type of schizophrenia. Copper imbalance is also associated with premenstrual tension, endometriosis, tumors, fatigue, many skin diseases, hair loss, graying of the hair, insomnia and liver disease such as hepatitis. Copper toxicity that is passed on to children is associated with attention deficit disorder, infections and impaired growth and development.
Copper elimination symptoms are temporary and disappear as the copper level decreases and the organs of elimination function better. Staying on the nutrition program is worth a little temporary discomfort in order to achieve and maintain excellent health.
I often recommend a product called GB-3 from Endomet Labs. This product is a combination of ox bile, pancreatin, dehydrocholic acid and Russian Black Radish. Here is why I love this product and any that would be very similar to it.
A CANCER PREVENTIVE
Based on national health statistics, about half of all Americans will be diagnosed with cancer at some time in their lives. According to medical studies, on average one has had cancer three to five years before it is diagnosed. If the cancer can be stopped at an extremely early, pre-clinical stage, it is far easier and much better for the person.
Pancreatic enzymes can help destroy cancer cells. This was shown originally by Dr. John Beard, author of The Trophoblastic Theory of Cancer. The use of pancreatic enzymes is the cornerstone of the Kelley enzyme treatment for cancer. This program has been available for some years and can produce excellent results.
GB-3 provides an inexpensive but effective aid to preventing and even helping to get rid of sub-clinical cancer. I do not mean to imply that everyone has cancer. I also do not mean that GB-3 is a “cancer cure” by any means. However, it may be a helpful preventive and that is all. It is a simple step that never hurts and fits our paradigm of preventive health care through nutrition.
AN ANTIDOTE FOR COPPER TOXICITY
All slow oxidizers have excess copper in their tissues. While not always revealed on the mineral analysis, an elevated calcium level, a low sodium/potassium ratio, a low potassium level, mercury toxicity or a copper level less than 1.0 mg% in a slow oxidizer are indicators of hidden copper toxicity. If a person follows a nutritional balancing program, excess copper will eventually begin to be eliminated. The underlying cause of the copper imbalance is weak adrenal glands, which results in low ceruloplasmin production by the liver. Ceruloplasmin is the main copper binding protein. If copper is not bound, it is not able to be transported and utilized properly.
GB-3 is specifically designed to help eliminate excess copper. It contains Russian black radish, an excellent source of organic sulfur and an excellent copper antagonist. Ox bile, dehydrocholic acid and pancreatin assist liver activity to help mobilize copper from the liver.
Fast oxidizers also do well on GB-3, although they often require some copper for a while.
With the proliferation of toxic chemicals and toxic metals in the environment, most everyone has a toxic liver to some degree. Slow oxidizers, in particular, develop sluggish liver activity due to weak adrenal and thyroid glandular activity.
GB-3 is a liver support formula that helps the body eliminate many toxic metals and chemicals from the liver.
A SUPERIOR DIGESTIVE AID
GB-3 is a superior digestive aid compared to HCL-pepsin or vegetable enzymes for many cases. Its pancreatin and ox bile are needed by many people, especially those in the exhaustion stage of stress or what is called slow oxidation. One can read more about this on this website.
Most slow oxidizers have some degree of intestinal dysbiosis, including chronic candida albicans infection due to copper imbalance.
Many have other parasites as well. Pancreatin and ox bile in GB-3 help digest these organisms. In some cases, other anti-candida products may be needed as well. However, GB-3 is an excellent beginning to correct the intestinal flora and improve overall digestion.
Also, GB-3 is far more yang in Chinese medical terminology than either hydrochloric acid or vegetable enzymes. This is an advantage in almost all cases, as most bodies today are too yin in Chinese terminology.
A SYMPATHETIC NERVOUS SYSTEM INHIBITOR
An important part of nutritional balancing programs is to correct the autonomic balance. Most people have exhausted their sympathetic or fight-or-flight nervous systems. Most have fallen into a parasympathetic state of slow oxidation. However, many are yet what we call sympathetic dominant. This means they retain the mental patterns such as fear and worry that pushed them into an exhaustion state.
Pancreatin, dehydrocholic acid, ox bile and Russian black radish all inhibit the sympathetic nervous system, helping it rest and rebuild. Other parasympathetic products include calcium, magnesium, zinc, selenium, thymus, kidney, liver and pancreas glandulars, L-taurine and GABA.
REACTIONS AND CAUTIONS WITH GB-3
Upon starting GB-3, some people report diarrhea, intestinal cramps or stomach upset. This occurs because pancreatin and ox bile digest candida organisms, parasites, bacteria and debris in the intestines.
The solution is to reduce the dosage at first, as low as 1/2 tablet per day, and then slowly increase the dosage. The stomach discomfort usually passes within a few months.
I am new to the forum and hopefully am posting correctly. I cannot find anything on Wilson's disease. This is why I came to the thread on copper. I have a friend who has Wilson's and is vegan. Vegan is a copper overload. They also are a cancer survivor and using the China study diet , they beat it, however being vegan they beat cancer and feed Wilson's. Are there any vegan diet's that are not high in copper ? much appreciated...
Hi, I'm still suffering from a yeast flare-up and have biotin, arginine, lysine and Grapefruit-Seed-Extract on the way. It was triggered by three rounds of chelation, which was stopped after the symptoms became intolerable and the cause became known.
While some symptoms have receded, the yeast seems to be spreading throughout the body. I don't think I can handle another two weeks of this, so would like to obtain a prescription antifungal with softer detox or die-off. I believe nystatin would be such a drug.
Even if the supplements were to boost my immune system enough to fight the overgrowth, I still wouldn't mind having an rx antifungal on hand. Is there an pharmacy online that will ship to the US without a script?
I don't think this post is against the rules and sincerely apologize in advance if it is.
The root cause of persistent candida is often heavy metals, and the candida binds mercury, so when the mercury is released through chelation the candida will react with extreme predudice! An antifungal will not help the uncomfortable detox factor, but will combat the candida to reduce overall toxin load.
I've found the key to an easier detox (or die off) it is imperative that you drink enough water along with unrefined unprocessed Sea Salt that has more than 80 minerals intact. The body cannot use processed salt and it accumulates in the tissues as toxin. Divide your body weight by half and that's how many ounces at LEAST that you need to stay properly hydrated (divide this # again by 8 to get in cups). For each quart of water (4 cups) you drink you should be ingesting 1/4 teaspoon salt. This will create proper salinity and equilibrium in the blood to dispose of toxins in the cells, without the salt balance water cannot pass between the cell walls to excrete toxins. Google "Water Cure" for more details on this.
I use nystatin powder for my child as it is not absorbed into the blood stream. You have to take it at the appropriate dose along with a candida diet for it to work. You can't drink beer and eat cake and take nystatin and expect it to have any effect on candida. :-) It works by killing the fungal cells that it comes into contact with topically, so it takes months of use but it does kill candida if you maintain your diet with NO cheating. The fungus you destroy in a week will grow back with one day of cheating. I kid you not.
In the US you can order the correct nystatin from fludan.com (canadian) legally without scriipt for up to a 90 day supply. This is legal and goes through customs properly. Their current supplier makes a product that is not only pure but far less bitter tasting than others. It costs about $130 including cold shipping for about a 3 month supply (I buy the 500 MU, that's the volume amount, and it is 6202 I.U/mg, international units per milligram which tells you the potency. This is important when knowing what you're buying so you don't get fillers). You should dose 1/8 tsp 4 times a day in water (start less if you have a severe die-off reaction).
Also it takes 3 - 4 weeks to receive this after you order so they obviously do not stock it. Expect them to say it's "backordered" because they are just a broker site, but they are the only source I've found for the powdered oral nystatin of the correct potency.
Thanks so much, indigoaura! So informative. Unfortunately, I had to learn the concepts in your message the hard way. :(
Yeast became much worse due to the mercury and DMSA. If I knew about this, I would have taken neutrophil-supporting supplements before starting chelation. Or at least I could have been on the lookout for candida symptoms and stopped before the third round.
Drinking water has also been providing some relief. It seems the urine can get yellow more quickly with this flare-up. Once it does, the symptoms also worsen at the same time. I keep a glass of water next to the bed. Thanks for the heads up on Sea Salt . :)
I actually cross-posted this to the adult-metal-chelation Yahoo group. On there, someone suggested I give the natural antifungals a try first. They arrived today, so I'll start them and report back within a week. Perhaps I jumped the gun with my original post, but as you well know, candida can make us desperate. It really is an insidious parasite.
Will keep the nystatin reference handy. Thank you again!
Thanks for all the information! I am also thinking of ordering the antifungal, to take care of what I think is candida.
The website you mentioned above appears to be down. Do you happen to know what is going on there, if it is a site that has been operating for a while that should get back up soon, or if there are any alternatives?
Hi everyone, just wanted to do a quick update on the status of myself and my child.
With a hair test and Cutler's book on metal toxicity, I had hard data that my child had lead and mercury issues. Lead? Not sure why, maybe because we lived in a big city? I didn't bother doing a hair test on myself as I knew my issue was mercury from old decaying Amalgam fillings (likely transferred to her in utero).
My daughter was born with no issues as a healthy 9 pound baby. We were both given a high dose of antibiotics per hospital protocol. By the time she was 2, she was diagnosed as completely non-verbal with soft autism (diagnosed by the state and qualified for therapy services). She lost all words, and would go into a trance and sit and rock back and forth, where I couldn't snap her out of it. Heartbreaking, and I want ALL PARENTS TO KNOW THAT THIS CAN BE TREATED. DO NOT LET ANYONE TELL YOU THAT IT IS YOUR CHILD'S FATE TO LIVE WITH AUTISM.
I did not vaccinate. Little known fact that YOU DO NOT HAVE TO VACCINATE. If anyone in the medical community or school system tells you that you have no choice, you call them a f***ing liar to their face. Point right at their face, and say, "YOU, sir, are a f***ING LIAR" and walk out on the spot. Yes, you have God's permission to bring righteous fury on these people who would have you hold down your own child while they inject them with toxic substances while they scream and beg you to protect them. Get mad, damn it! GET MAD! I don't usually admonish swearing, but in this case I suggest you drop as many F-bombs as you feel necessary to balance this injustice in the universe.
Ok, moving on. You sign a notarized form stating the legal clause that you choose to waive vacs. Public schools must accept it by law. If a private school tries to reject you, threaten to sue with discrimination for a medical condition. I personally have had no issues when handing over the paperwork. Don't ask, don't offer info, just hand the notarized forms like you own the place. The catch is finding a doctor who will sign off on a health check. Call midwife and alternative medicine doctors and ask for referrals for an MD and explain why.
Tip: vaccinations have a history of causing seizures. My brother was on seizure meds for a few years after his MMR. I suggest you site this verifiable fact and not mercury or active virus threats if asked. Again, don't offer explanations unless pressed to do so. You are fully within your legal, moral, and ethical right to make this decision for your child, and you don't have to explain yourself. The way I see it, when my child is of age, she can make the decision to go and get as many vaccinations as she wants. Until then, I'd rather not inject her against her will with unknown substances.
So we did GAPS diet for a year, and weekend rounds per Cutler protocol of frequent/low dose DMSA and ALA every 3 hours, meticulously notating the dates and dosages.
Within a week (yes, a week) of GAPS diet and anti-fungal treatment, her autistic symptoms disappeared, and she started saying "mama" again. After the hair test and I removed my amalgams, we did Cutler protocol for about a year.
She is now 4, and speaks at the mid-range peer level. She started reading at 3, and is currently reading on a first grade level at 4 years old. She understands basic math concepts like adding and subtracting up to 25. Her drawing and creative skills are on the gifted level. I am introducing engineering concepts at this point. We designed and built a work table together where we drew out schematics and a cut list of measurements, and I was very surprised at her ability to assemble it.
We are still working on expressive speech and word recall, but she is catching up. I do not have a "smart" or high IQ child. She is just a normal kid who was treated for Candida Overgrowth and heavy metal toxicity. We eat healthy, but we can eat anything. She has no skin issues now from gluten, and can even eat sweets with absolutely no issues. We do eat homemade sour kraut, yogurt, kombucha, and kefir for probiotics. She loves the kombucha (live vinegar drink).
1. Do your research.
2. Get a hair test to confirm toxicity.
3. Understand that treating for heavy metals is SERIOUS. You can do irreparable damage if done incorrectly.
4. Adjust your diet.
5. Do all steps on yourself before even thinking about treating your child.
I hope this helps any parent out there who is hurting like I was just a few years ago.
Maybe you & your child should move to an island where no one can get sick by the germs that you will spread not vaccinating your child. Autism isn't created by vaccinations. The guy that started that bs was stripped of his licenses to practice medicine & even Jenny Macarthy said it was all BS. Her son's Autism was caused by a bad case of Candida in his system. So move to somewhere that people can't get sick by your idiocy.
Indigoaura, thank you for your post. I'm sorry about your daughter's bad reaction to the MMR vaccine but very happy that her condition has improved.
I admire you for your effort to help her rather than just settle for the hopeless prognosis from mainstream medicine. They often just stuff the kids with Big Pharma meds--$$$ for them and the mainstream med system.
There are a few states in the US where it is virtually impossible to get an exception for a kid. California is one. They are absolutely crazy out there!
Vitamin A supplements reduce deaths caused by measles and diarrhea, study finds. Will they make vitamin A mandatory for all school aged kids? No, the kids might actually become healthier and so need less Big Pharma meds at a cost of millions to the profit-driven mainstream med system. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101207191447.htm
Rates of so-called vaccine-preventable diseases dropped dramatically in the decades BEFORE widespread vaccination. Boyd Haley, PhD Chemistry, former Chair of the Chem Dept at the U of KY, explains this along with his concerns about the current vaccines and especially the vaccine schedule. He is not opposed to vaccines in general, but rather, about some of the additives and the poorly tested schedule. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0ixztkJ48Q
I like to listen to the semi-retired professors such as B. Haley, S. Seneff, A. Cutler. They don't give a bleep what anyone thinks. They just tell you what they think. In contrast, your doctor has to deal with the local medical board, insurance companies, legal concerns, as well as temptations towards greed.
Vaccines are not as well tested as medications that have passed FDA approval-especially the poorly tested vaccine schedule. However we know some medications that have passed the rigorous FDA approval process were later determined to be not as safe or effective as previously thought. How many vaccines that are not as thoroughly tested are not as safe as everyone hopes?
Furthermore the vaccine adverse reaction reporting system (VAERS) is a national embarrassment. We know little about the number of adverse reactions to vaccines. A busy ER doctor has no obligation to report that a child presenting with possible vaccine-related symptoms was vaccinated 6 hours prior. It is a voluntary reporting system! Remember the busy doctor makes a living treating such patients so has a financial incentive to want those patients.
Every medication has some side effects in some people. Big Pharma makes $ from sales of vaccines and still more from treatment of their side effects. Where do parents go when there is a side effect? They go back to mainstream medicine and Big Pharma for treatments.
You can't sue a Vax manufacturer for an adverse reaction like you can a drug manufacturer. You have to rely on the national "vaccine court"-- good luck getting compensation.
So what incentive remains for a for-profit corporation to incur the cost to make a vaccine safer when they make more $ treating the side effects and can't be sued? Big Pharma doesn't fear the governmental regulators or the mainstream media since they've been bought off with campaign contributions and advertisement revenue. The only remaining incentive for them to make a vaccine safer is the FREEDOM of parents to delay or refuse a vaccine that has a poor safety record!
So if you want safer vaccines, you MUST support vaccine freedom!
Btw: Kmcmahon13 has a history of only 4 posts in CL
Candida that has changed into an opportunistic parasite and morphed into the fungal colonies definitely does not protect us from anything! It envelopes mercury and changes it to methyl mercury which is tolerable to it but 100x more toxic to us. So when the fungal cell dies it releases the methyl mercury into our system.
My theory is it uses the mercury as a defense mechanism for other competing bacteria and us. It teaches its host not to do anything that would harm it or we get a dose of sickening mercury when it dies.
Just my theory, no one really knows.
Candida in the fungal form is 100% a harmful parasite, and one of the few that will actually kill its host - killing itself.
Candida as yeast cells are a natural part of our intestinal flora so perhaps operates to protect us somehow, but are not the same as parasitic fungal colony biofilm.
I can chime in on this topic. Dr. Andy Cutler would disagree with the ideas that mercury is methylated in the body (naturally or by the yeast) and that yeast holds onto mercury. Everything he mentions online and in Amalgam Illness that applies to me has been spot on, so I'm inclined to accept what he says.
Here are some of the relevant posts through onibasu.com:
The post about mercury not being held by yeast is in the AMC group, dated Aug 19, 2008 19:45:36 (GMT).
The thing I wish Dr. Cutler could have done is warn readers more prominently in AI about the danger of Yeast Overgrowth . But I cannot complain; he provided background and solutions and I'm happy to finally understand what's been happening to me over the past 18 years. Now if I could just overcome this flare-up...
The truth is no one REALLY knows, just has their own theory. I think it's a moot point. We know mercury poisons us. We know candida in the fungal form poisons us (whether binding mercury or not). They both need to go! :-)
Your linked info states this: "But if mercury methylated within the body there would be no need to use ALA or any other chelating agent, as methyl mercury readily crosses the blood-brain barrier and cell membranes so the brain and other organs would clear themselves of mercury once exposure
How do you know when mercury exposure has ended to test this theory? Mercury exposure (and other heavy metals, especially aluminum and barium which is in the air) is part of the industrial civilization of convenience that we have unwitting built.
Another link that references the other opinion states this, which I have never considered before:
"Exert: Bacteria and Yeast
When people have mercury Amalgams or just has elevated mercury in their body, the friendly bacteria (probiotics) will convert the mercury into methyl mercury, which is at least 100 times more toxic than ordinary mercury. Research shows that oral bacteria, yeast and probiotics all methylate mercury, so you should minimize any contact
between the bacteria and your mercury.
Even the good bacteria are producing methyl mercury?? That sucks!
Glad to know you appreciate the difference between yeast and fungal Candida, too many people talking about ' Candida Overgrowth ', when it is the morphed fungal Candida. there are more reasons than mercury, indeed, my patient histories point to steroid use. (Puberty, the pill, pumping iron, permenopause, HRT, and steroids for pain, also immune inhibitors the ////imab drugs and prenidisone. And the final P....I am a podiatrist studying dyshidrosis. Thanks for the info on Fludan.
I have been struggling with ideopathic neuropathy for over two years. I had all Amalgams removed June 2010. I have done two rounds of DMSA and ALA undr the Cutler protocol. The first round, I felt kind of tired, and by the third day, my back was pretty sore. The neuropathy (which tends to come and go) was better while taking the chelators. Two days after stopping, the neuropathy came back in full force. I just finished my second round. After the first day, my back started hurting really bad (in the same places). My kidneys were aching, and I had considerable pressure in my chest. These symptoms remained until I stopped the supplements. The neuropathy was "better". Now it is two days post chelation and the pins and needles are back. So..... my question IS..... According to Andy (in everything I've read), symptoms should be worse "on" and slightly better "off". Has anyone else ad the experience of this opposite effect, i.e. symtpoms better while taking the chelators and back on after. I don't think its redistribution.... any thoughts?
>>Also don't listen to this guy above me any sort of cleanse is NOT part of Andy's protocol and can cause even more problems.
These sort of messages freak me out a little. Why is one required to stick to one teacher/cleanse protocol religiously?
I agree that chelation seriously helps, I use it myself-
But I grabbed soledago (goldenseal herb) tea immediately after listening to Dr. Mercola in an interview about mercury cleansing.
It did indeed relieve a lot of the anxiety after taking it. Mercury re-settles between chelation rounds, and the feeling crappy through the whole body is hitting the kidneys pretty hard (because all the mercury has to go out the lymph system).
I feel there is important information to gather from the different professionals, and it is a lack of communication and networking that prevents a good deal of success-both in getting the messag out, but also in alleviating a lot more symptoms.
"Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed." (from the book of Proverbs)
Yes, there are problems with having too much information and no idea who to choose from, but it's good to know the terrain well so you have multiple battle strategies available to you.
"... Mercury re-settles between chelation rounds, and the feeling crappy through the whole body is hitting the kidneys pretty hard ...."
== Actually it depends somewhat on which chelators you use. Most of the mercury--Hg--goes out via kidneys when DMSA and DMPS are used.
== Most of the Hg goes out via bile into stool when ALA is used. I suppose that is one reason to use one of each type.
== Over my years of Cutler detox I have taken extra antioxidants--Vit C, E, Se, etc-- a few hours after the last dose of the round to help with mop up.
== Very few people in the detox groups complain about kidney problems. Liver problems are much more commonly reported when chronic Hg poisoning is involved.
== I was an exception but I had a cadmium problem too. Cd is well known to damage kidneys. Thankfully my eGFR numbers have been in the 70s for several years. In my 40's I also had the weak, brittle bones described here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itai-itai_disease
"Yes, there are problems with having too much information and no idea who to choose from, but it's good to know the terrain well so you have multiple battle strategies available to you."
== I recall feeling that way when I was new to detox and looking for the safest effective method. I was still employable in a decent job with a somewhat effective combo of diet, supplements and a couple of meds. I did not want to mess myself up more than I already was.
== At the time B. Haley's OSR was fairly new and a bit of a fad. The US FDA squashed that--probably just temporarily. I hear it has been undergoing additional testing in Europe.
== A friend of a close friend kindly spent some hours explaining his roller-coaster experience with detox, including some of the controversies and potential pitfalls. He had been nearly bed ridden with a list of neurological, etc symptoms that are typical with chronic Hg poisoning. He says he got worse with his doctor's detox protocol but much improved after years of Cutler. He looked quite healthy when I had dinner with him. He was back at work in his white collar job.
== That caused me to lean towards Cutler but I spent many dozens of hours reading various points of view and following cases in detox groups over many, many months.
== I had been a chem engineering major before getting sick so I enjoyed reading the material.
== In the end Cutler's seemed to be the safest effective method. It also seemed to be fairly inexpensive.
== I planned to give it a year before reconsidering and then probably turning to OSR. After a year I was clearly improving and also the FDA pulled the plug on OSR. I chose not to take advantage of an opportunity to purchase some of it from someone's remaining stock.
== You might go into a support group for one protocol and ask a question. Then ask a followup question in a support group for a different protocol. See how well the experienced members in each group can respond.
== Those considering Cutler can ask questions in Curezone, Yahoo's Frequent Dose Chelation group and FB's Cutler Think tank
I would suggest looking into your diet as Andy writes about anti-Candida sort of diets before/when/after chelating... I've been on such a diet for more than 4 weeks now and I've just finished my first 2-weeks round on ALA alone and I feel pretty good. I'm sure your diet (and it must be strict) plays a huge role in the whole process!
My kidneys are doing the same thing. I did 6 rounds of just DMSA and felt great energy except I noticed a tingling in my hands and ankles upon wakening. Also my kidneys started aching. I found a product called 'Renelix' that really helps. Dr Schulxes herbs might be the last resort if that doesn't help.
I am now on my fourth round of ALA/DMSA and I dont feel as great as I did on just DMSA so every other time I just do DMSA.
I heard Cutler on internet radio yesterday. I would encourage you to listen to it.