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Great message. I especially liked the part where God showed His love and mercy to the old woman who was so evil that she was responsible for 30,000 girls becoming sex slaves. There is no limit to God's mercy. No matter how evil a person is God will be merciful if he/she calls on the name of the Lord.
I am a college student who is taking a class about healing systems and we have an interview assignment. If anyone here uses religious or spiritual healing, and is willing to talk today or tomorrow on the phone or skype for 45 minutes (or however much time you have) I would really appreciate it. The purpose of this is to learn about healing beliefs/practices/experiences that I am unfamiliar with and spiritual healing is the first thing that came to my mind! Whether it is religious, or energy-healing, etc. please reply to this or contact me if you are willing to help me with a class assignment :) You don't have to answer any questions you are uncomfortable with.
**If you do not use religious healing but believe that you do seek healing that is out of the "norm" of mainstream medicine, and are willing to talk, please contact me as well!
p.s. The assignment specifies that people over the age of 30 are preferred
I did a search to see if there is any way we can learn new testament Greek free online. I see a lot is offered free of charge. Some do charge for their courses. Sometimes I do get frustrated in my biblical studies with my extremely limited knowledge of it. Of course, it is no substitute for seeking the Holy Spirit, but at the same time God told us to study to show ourselves approved unto Him. We also need to be aware that some, especially in the Interlinear Bibles, have created their own Greek versions in order to deceive. I would make sure that the Greek New Testament that I study is the trusted Textus Receptus also called the Received Text.
Here's a comment from this site:
"I personally feel that spending the time and energy to learn Koine (Biblical) Greek is well worth the time and effort that it takes to do so. Learning Greek has been the single most important thing that I have done in my life as far as understanding the Word of God. (That is, other than receiving Christ and thus having the Spirit of Truth that is leading us into all reality. -- John 16:13.) Not only will you have a better understanding of the New Testament, you will also be able to understand many of the excellent New Testament commentaries which are technical in nature, (such as those by Lenski, Alford, New International Greek Testament Commentaries, etc.). These can only be understood properly by someone who has a background in Greek." http://www.ntgreek.org/recommendations_for_learning_greek.htm
Waitingonanewworld, this link is 100% proof that Jesus is God and remained fully God while He was on earth. It is a link to chapter one of the gospel of John from an Interlinear Greek New Testament. The Greek is from the Textus Receptus also known as the Received Text. This is considered the most trusted. You will be able to see that the Jehovah Witness Bible does not accurately translate this chapter. You should be able to clearly see that it was translated in the JW Bible to match the JW false beliefs. The print is small, but you can keep clicking on the + sign to zoom in to make it larger.
Do you think maybe the new heavens and new earth of revelations after He returns is a renewed earth and changed heavens?
I've been thinking of the matter a long time.
Faithful, believing people get taken up before the time of wrath, earth is cleansed with fire, people are as precious and sparse as gemstones when He is done and comes back with all his host... but He reigns and people life LONG, LONG lives.
It does sound a bit like a period of destruction... and then renewal. But it makes sense if God's desire is for the earth to allow more of his beloved children to grow and flourish.
The new heavens and new earth represent a new world society. Of the Bible will refer to the words "mountains" and "heavens" as symbolizing governments or rulerships....
Also, Jesus will not be literally returning to the earth again. He, Jesus, being God's son along with an administrative body of 144,000 "kings and priests" (individuals brought from the earth) and given assignments as "kings and priests" in heaven will, bring obedient mankind back to perfection and turn the earth back to God's original purpose to make the earth a beautiful paradise.
As far as faithful, believing persons being caught up in some sort of rapture, the Bible doesn't support that type of event for servants of God....There will only be a "few", 144,000 that will be in the heavens by means of a resurrection to heavenly life....The vast majority of mankind will be right here on a paradise earth in mankind's coming history.
The earth will not be destroyed by fire or by any other means. The literal earth is not the problem, it is the wickedness caused by Satan, humans and demons that will be done away with for a thousand years.
This is true, the mountains and high places in scripture are prophetic images of the ruling places.
History nerd Illys says this is because of pre-flood history, from the artificial mountains and pyramid built as part of the city complexes. Usually those complexes show severe water damage, or are far beneath the water's surface now. Egypt's great pyramid , sphinx, and the ruins off the coast of southern Japan are perfect examples.
Even the temple mount has monolithic cut stone as a base, it doesn't take a genius to see beyond archeology buffs and talk to engineers about those sorts of tasks.
No, just because a ruin was used by corrupt people in ages past doesn't mean it is pagan. It is a confusing mess, but folk in the time of the first three generations after Noah could still wiggle out some understanding from the root alphabet used for writing before the flood.
The tower of Babel happened specifically to -PREVENT- the cookie-cutter society that is surfacing in the world right now. Too much money, power and corruption assembled in one group gives misery to the masses, be it a system of information control, or what-have-you.
No, modern medicine is not evil... It saves lives. It is pallative (symptom -treating) medicine. Don't curse your neighbor for being a nurse or a doctor, but pray for their hearts to be turned towards Jesus.
Anyways. Lamentations is right, nothing new is to be found under the sun- just folks discovering what's been conferred up long before our time. The real joy of discovery, revelation, is found in, as Jesus put it, discovering the kingdom of God (the spiritual) with the heart and eyes of a child. Real revolution and change takes place there first. :D
I've wondered at the first book of Adam and Eve, it's a story involving their first experiences outside of the Garden. The oral history from Egypt says they lived in a cave under a mountain and used the top of it as they learned the expression of sacrifice, and instituted the first acts of fasting to seek God for comfort.
It is isolated from scripture, as in it does not yet appear to me to have obvious contraditions to the bible, but the numbering and some details at first glance are off. It has all the hallmarks of the weathering of many retellings.
If a mountain was to be considered the place where Adam, the family head of that time, had his home, then yes, as a clan father, it'd be a seat of government, and a territory where he could grow food for his family.
And yes, I know I reach to things considered legend and hearsay only, but I don't like taking folks words at face value, "this means this, this is that".. There's always a reason scripture describes things the way it does, and I like discovery. :)
The great and terrible day of the Lord! The sky will be rolled up like a scroll, the blindness created by culture and sin will be shattered. I think of it as that moment when there is no hiding from the truth, either in head or in heart.
Like the way folk reacted to angels in the old testament, and God's descent to Mt Sinai? They were scared they would die! it's an emotional and heart-deep reaction, not a shallow one. A tiny glimpse of just what will happen when He comes to do justice!
Why do you think I am saying not every eye will see him?
No, Refreshed, I believe what it says.
There's poetic language which is simile and allegory, 'like a lion, like a lamb', but there is no reason not to accept that every single man (old english uses that as a blanket term, both male and female) will know that He's arrived, and there's no way left to hide.
The Great and Terrible day is a clear theme from the first to the last book of the bible, and in what's been labled the psuedographical/apocryphal books. If people have made up theologies that deny it, then that's their own problem. Yeah, there's lots of folk who come up with their own roundabout logics, but sound study doesn't deny Jesus his role (and much longed for position) as judge.
I didn't realize that your statement could mean that you may not agree with everything the other poster was talking about. I was reading it as though you agreed with every point. So I picked out one of the things that I wondered the most about your beliefs.
Just trying to get a feel for what everyone believes so I can discuss better. I didn't know that WOANW believed that Jesus would not be returning. I always thought end time discussions was something we could at least agree on. After all, it was at a JW meeting that a relative took me to as a child that got me interested in end time revelations. From a kid's point of view, they had some really cool posters of the beast coming out of the water and the harlot riding it.
Everybody's interpretation of prophetic literature in the bible is going to depend upon the teaching they have recieved so far about the subject.
There's many schools of thought on the subject of the future, but I've been hungry a long time on sorting out which is right, the bible, or the views worked up by theologians trying to explain our history in the context of popular scientific theory.
There's a Danish guy in my workplace who has this in his sig line: 'Hvis man ikke kender fortiden, forstår man ikke nutiden og egner sig ikke til at forme fremtiden'.
And I think I'll let you google translate your way through that one. ;)
When your vision's blurry, your optics matter, and that's why I talk about the books of scripture from the jews which have been wrung out by time and tradition. I'd like to read what Jesus read, understand my world the way He knew it, and get just.. closer to the source. If it's a thread of logic/philosophy/explanation/theology that you have to make twisty paths to explain, it's a little bit suspect.
Beware too of folk who are trying to fit all of the events of the book of revelations into just the past century or three centuries. In heaven the timescope isn't limited to recent events, and the perspective John was given to write from wasn't from that of a 21rst century man.
Scripture too sometimes needs some explanation in cultural contexts- and sometimes the original language needs to be inspected more closely too!
Here's a good example- Zechariah's flying scrolls and 'the woman in the basket'. http://www.wwyd.org/Prophecy/Rood_ZechScrolls.htm
Does that make the content of his article invalid?
I had to face this sort of question on Saturday, a Jehova's Witness stopped at my door.
Refused to pray with me, too.
I asked my husband, 'Aren't they believers too?'
'Yes', he replied, 'But they're following a human-made teaching and smearing the name of God in the dirt by their actions. It makes me furious.'
I do not know if any church or group has it perfectly right, Rainy.8.
All I know is that Jesus did his Father proud, and that's the best I can hope for too.
Sorting through what I know of Rood as well, that is not in his material either. Rood is, however, wildly fascinated by old testament patterns and how they relate to Jesus' life and actions. Fervently so, and I'm not happy with him for having named a ministry after himself.
That incites teacher-worship.
Take especially note, Tansybelle (because you told me you were quite new to the faith)- it falls under the category of God as a jealous god- it's easy to get caught up in the passions of a teacher in christianity. When their thoughts start forming your thoughts, and their ways start forming your ways, it's time to leave for a while and sort out the sheep and goats, so to say. Jesus warned against it, the people of His day had exactly the same problem. Little kids worship their father and mother, because they want to be like them- that's why we shouldn't cling so strong to other christians, because it's Jesus who we want to pattern ourselves after.
Well that's just it Illy, it's hard to have a mixture of beliefs all intermingling at the same time here on curezone. Even though I appreciate a place to come and discuss with people these differences and thoughts on matters as mature christians, we have to keep in mind that there are those new to the faith or at the door to Christ's knocking. We have no control over who reads what we write and you can't have tons of disclaimers and tons of scriptures after every post to fill in the gaps of their lack of understanding. Mainly because we don't know what every person's lack is.
Even Jesus had this problem within some of the crowds that gathered to hear Him speak. Some accepted what He taught and others just walked away. However, here we have no leader other than the Holy Spirit. We have to believe that even if it takes a long time and many mistakes (on our part) that He has a plan for all of us. The question is...do we all want to be a part of it or not?
As Dr. Hovind would say, eat the meat and spit out the bones. But for a person who is young in the Lord, I'm not sure that is aways easy to do.
We just have to ask the Holy Spirit to speak to each heart the message that is true and continue to listen as we gradually learn deeper understanding to what we just learned.
The great Tribulation and the day of Armageddon will indeed be unprecedented and horrific. For those who are not on God's side, great fear will rise up in the heart of everyone from the least to greatest. Even a mighty man will cry out in agony and fear (Zephaniah 1:14-18)(Zephaniah 2:2-3)(Matthew 24:20-22).
Yes this wicked system of things will be destroyed, but not without giving people notice and warning. (Matthew 24:14)
The Physical Earth will be destroyed, Science knows it. The Sun will not last forever, so it will be different to what we know, you can't dismiss science. Gods Earth will be a miracle of some sorts then ! Sorry to upset the apple cart. I was raised in a family who believe in Evolution and science. Gods calling was even stronger today for me.
Well, Jubilees (left out of the English bible, referenced in Paul when he addresses his accusers from the sanhedrin about 'the law which Moses recieved from Angels', the early institutionalized church thought the book was way too Jewish) tells us that the animals first started eating meat when the Sons of God (the ones sent to the earth before the flood to help teach mankind to come back to God) decided to cross God's design and made children with the daughters of men.
There you go, ee-vo-lew-tion. When spiritual authority touches the earth, things CHANGE.
That's why the law of sin and death (carnivorous natures) is all around us. Try searching for the 'evolutionary' fossil of the snake with teensy legs. The genetic changes happened over generations, not amputation.
Same with thorns and thistles, they sprang up after Abel killed his brother. The curse was spoken by God and came into being when the sins of man warranted it. God laid out blessings and curses to Moses as a roadmap for them for how to make their choices, and our world is responsive (physically) to our choices (spiritually).
Let's say I wanted to know what Jesus learned growing up. There's so much more to the story than meets the eye! 8)
Mmh.. Here is some wonderful tidbits to search the scriptures for, Tansy. There will be no more night because Jesus will be the light of the world, and death and disease will create-
This has always been to me a new overlap of the dimension of heaven and the physical earth. That is why it is a day of terror and remorse for mankind, because self-delusion is ripped away, and there's no more places to hide from yourself or the ones you've served (in the case of folk not seeking Jesus).
The problem with Science is that it doesn't know what God knows and says concerning the earth (Ecclesiastes 1:4, Isaiah 45:18, Psalms 78:69)
Science cannot trump or defy scripture (God's Word the Bible) or Bible prophecy. Science is not an exact "science" as most people believe it to be. Also, the Sun, Moon and other planets will never be destroyed according to the Bible (Psalms 72:5, Psalms 89:36,37).....You seem to getting bits and pieces from different teachings or from what you've heard.
Science, Google, Bing, Facebook, So-called learned authorities on heavenly bodies in the universe and skies and the like are not the sources I look to find the answers I need. The Bible and its fine principles are the sole authority in my life when it comes to wondering about the future of the earth.
Thank you. My faith is only strong because of Jehovah God. My family was not religious but they did respect other people who were. My faith grows stronger everyday because of knowing what God's will and purpose is for obedient mankind and the earth.
Was Jesus talking to himself when he was nailed to his torture stake?....Who was Jesus talking too? Himself? No he was talking to his heavenly Father Jehovah (Mark 15:34)....Even the Roman army officer acknowledged that Jesus is "God's Son." (Mark 15:39)
Mark 15:34---"And at the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice: 'E'li, E'li, la'ma sa•bach•tha'ni?' which means, when translated: 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'.....Was Jesus praying to himself? Had he forsaken his ownself?
I have no idea what "oneness belief" is. Never heard of it....I believe Jesus is God's son, but a lesser god or deity than his heavenly Father is. My point on the scriptures is that Jesus and his heavenly Father are two different spirit persons that are not equal to each other. Mark 15:34 proves that the Trinity doctrine is not scriptural.
Yes, I have proven the deity of Jesus along with some other posters, but waitingonanewworld just keeps repeating that we have not proven it or the Trinity. Due to time limits I have not gotten into the person of the Holy Spirit. I figure if she can't see the deity and person of Christ it would be a waste of time anyway. With time limits I thought it best to take it one step at a time. She can come up with no rebuttals to our posts except to say that we have not proven ______, which, of course, is false. She either is not even reading our posts, or the scales on her eyes that are blinding her are indeed deep and heavy. She is involved with a group that controls her with fear. This, I'm sure is part of the problem. If she admits to seeing the truth she will be disfellowshipped and shunned even by her own family. I have listened to the testimonies of many ex-Jehovah's Witnesses. The pain, the grief, the hurt, and the horror was horrific for these poor people. She says they left for selfish reasons, but refuses to listen to what any of them have to say, again out of fear of being disfellowshipped if caught. Of course, it is not true that people left for selfish reasons. These people would have never gone through that kind of pain for selfish reasons. They left for truth. They left to gain true salvation for their souls. Many of them will never be allowed to see their families again because of the shunning. Does that sound like selfishness? Some of the Jehovah's witnesses do wake up and realize they are not in truth, but still remain there within the religion because they do not want to lose their families etc. They are forced to stay. Many cults operate this way. This is indeed a very serious problem. Many will lose their souls over this deception. God is not like this. This situation is so very sad. Thanks for coming in to try to help. I don't see much more that we can do except pray for her. She has rejected everything we say. She can't even come up with rebuttals for the truth we have shown her.
Some Bible Verses that say
“Jesus is God”
Some people claim to believe that Jesus was a “good prophet”, but they deny that Jesus is God. If that is you, I would like to encourage you to consider some of these Bible verses:
Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, *“God with us.*”
Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor *Mighty God*, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 - (Jesus is the First and the Last)
Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer)
2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of *our God* and Savior Jesus Christ”
Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by Himself alone)
John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things)
John 1:1-3 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.”
John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
Even though I was doing all the right things with eating right and taking excellent quality natural supplements, I wasn't recovering like I knew I should be, then the Lord touched me about, "Stinking Thinking".
Philippians 4:8 - Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.
Proverbs 17:22 - A merry heart doeth good [like] a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.
Philippians 4:6 - Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Jeremiah 29:11 - For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Matthew 15:11 - Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Ephesians 4:31-32 - Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Matthew 21:22 - And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Proverbs 15:1 - A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.
Hebrews 13:6 - So that we may boldly say, The Lord [is] my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
Hebrews 13:5 - [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
John 14:27 - Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Matthew 12:33-37 - Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.
Proverbs 18:21 - Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
2 Corinthians 10:5 - Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
I don't know what denomination you are, but this video is also very good for those who do not believe in cutting verses out of the Bible for today. It works with thinking right. The two working together is the best.
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12
Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof. Proverbs 18:21
…27"Behold, I have discovered this," says the Preacher, "adding one thing to another to find an explanation, 28which I am still seeking but have not found. I have found one man among a thousand, but I have not found a woman among all these. 29"Behold, I have found only this, that God made men upright, but they have sought out many devices."…
What's your thoughts? Solomon trips me up here. Was he surrounded by that many bad wives, or just in a position where he could meet no women who cared about righteousness? He's lamenting the state of men and women. Does that mean there are not upright women..?
Its a very good example of why we can't use only one sentence in the bible and make it into what we want it to say. In this case we need to read more to get the author's thoughts.
Wisdom and Folly Contrasted
1A good name is better than a good ointment,
And the day of one’s death is better than the day of one’s birth.
2It is better to go to a house of mourning
Than to go to a house of feasting,
Because that is the end of every man,
And the living takes it to heart.
3Sorrow is better than laughter,
For when a face is sad a heart may be happy.
4The mind of the wise is in the house of mourning,
While the mind of fools is in the house of pleasure.
5It is better to listen to the rebuke of a wise man
Than for one to listen to the song of fools.
6For as the crackling of thorn bushes under a pot,
So is the laughter of the fool;
And this too is futility.
7For oppression makes a wise man mad,
And a bribe corrupts the heart.
8The end of a matter is better than its beginning;
Patience of spirit is better than haughtiness of spirit.
9Do not be eager in your heart to be angry,
For anger resides in the bosom of fools.
10Do not say, “Why is it that the former days were better than these?”
For it is not from wisdom that you ask about this.
11Wisdom along with an inheritance is good
And an advantage to those who see the sun.
12For wisdom is protection just as money is protection,
But the advantage of knowledge is that wisdom preserves the lives of its possessors.
13Consider the work of God,
For who is able to straighten what He has bent?
14In the day of prosperity be happy,
But in the day of adversity consider—
God has made the one as well as the other
So that man will not discover anything that will be after him.
15I have seen everything during my lifetime of futility; there is a righteous man who perishes in his righteousness and there is a wicked man who prolongs his life in his wickedness. 16Do not be excessively righteous and do not be overly wise. Why should you ruin yourself? 17Do not be excessively wicked and do not be a fool. Why should you die before your time? 18It is good that you grasp one thing and also not let go of the other; for the one who fears God comes forth with both of them.
19Wisdom strengthens a wise man more than ten rulers who are in a city. 20Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins. 21Also, do not take seriously all words which are spoken, so that you will not hear your servant cursing you. 22For you also have realized that you likewise have many times cursed others.
23I tested all this with wisdom, and I said, “I will be wise,” but it was far from me. 24What has been is remote and exceedingly mysterious. Who can discover it? 25I directed my mind to know, to investigate and to seek wisdom and an explanation, and to know the evil of folly and the foolishness of madness. 26And I discovered more bitter than death the woman whose heart is snares and nets, whose hands are chains. One who is pleasing to God will escape from her, but the sinner will be captured by her.
27“Behold, I have discovered this,” says the Preacher, “adding one thing to another to find an explanation, 28which I am still seeking but have not found. I have found one man among a thousand, but I have not found a woman among all these. 29“Behold, I have found only this, that God made men upright, but they have sought out many devices.”
Does that mean there are not upright women..?
Not only are there no upright women, there are also no upright men except the man Christ Jesus.
Since all humans have sinned and none are good according to the Bible, except Christ, I have wondered if the one upright man could be prophetic of Christ. I really don't know. It could just be Solomon speaking of his own miserable situation with women.
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Romans 3:10
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6
This is why we have to except the free gift of God in order to receive eternal life. Jesus is that free gift to the world, but we have to receive Him. We get to be saved by His righteousness because ours will never be good enough.
Yeah, I couldn't figure out what he disagreed with either, lol. I basically just offered another possibility while I also said that I really didn't know. I thought that maybe it was my fault because I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. Thanks for your kind words. Perhaps I'm just not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree instead. ;)
My mistake Rainy, it's a common one to make here and I have followed suit.
"Since all humans have sinned and none are good according to the Bible, except Christ, I have wondered if the one upright man could be prophetic of Christ. I really don't know. It could just be Solomon speaking of his own miserable situation with women.
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Romans 3:10"
I thought "but Jesus saved from our sins"
Unfortunately I jumped to conclusions and never read your last piece on your post ...........
"This is why we have to except the free gift of God in order to receive eternal life. Jesus is that free gift to the world, but we have to receive Him. We get to be saved by His righteousness because ours will never be good enough."
Enough said, my tool needs honing, my apologies,
Where's that stone:) lol.
Thank God for you both, you're showing a spirit of unity and love between siblings in Jesus. :-)
Yeah, Solomon is discussing the unredeemed soul in that chapter- both men and women. It's interesting that he names a very tiny percentage of men.. though those he may have noticed having an honest heart- a servant's heart. (Like Jesus has).
There's a part of me that feels it is an important distinction to make- since there's true humility and false humility- the one tries to garner honour by taking on the appearance of it, the other is actually the broken and re-sculpted pot (scripture, Isaiah, God describes Himself as a potter, and humans as vessels).
On the surface this scripture can really look like sexisim, and it's annoying that so many people have taken it that way, at face-value.
I'm glad you posted the teaching from verse one to twenty-seven, Refreshed.
Perspective- point of view, makes a great deal of difference in understanding the words a person shares (and important in scripture).
Redeemed in Christ Jesus- washed clean in his blood- it's possible (and heck, if a person is taking the scriptures seriously, VITAL) to live righteously... but it's written more emotionally (do not grieve the Holy Spirit) than legalistically. It's a family relationship...? I honor my Father because He sent Jesus to pull me out of the mire.
Jesus is my older Brother, my high priest, my commander-in-chief.. I serve out of respect and love, therefore-?
Thanks for your comments Illys. I couldn't help but think of a comment I read by Sir Ian McKellen, who is a well known actor, atheist, and homosexual.
He was asked whether it was true that he would tear pages out of the bible.
He confessed that it was true and that he was offended by "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable," as translated by the New International Version; the King James Version uses the word "abominable."
He said he didn't proudly deface the bible, but thought it a choice between tearing out the one page or throwing away the whole bible. Going on to say that when he stayed at hotels that he didn't want that scripture just inches from his head where he slept.
I couldn't help but wonder if the bible being so close to him, made it hard for him to sleep because God's word was speaking to him even when the book wasn't open.
My point being that he took one verse and decided that he didn't like what he read and closed his mind to what else God was saying. Did he know that you can read more verses, perhaps elsewhere in the bible that further explains why God allowed that to be put in the bible? Or did he just read that one verse and thought the bible was not worthy to learn more of what God had to say? Had he read on and read of the love of God, of where there is forgiveness and healing when we put ourselves in the arms of the Holy One, perhaps he would have looked at the verse differently? That God Himself, died on the cross for our sins, so Sir Ian could be freed from his sins and helped to be set free from the addiction to them.
But apparently Sir Ian was offended right off the bat and his heart and mind closed. He held tight to his right to sin. He didn't want to hear God tell him what is the best way to live our lives or how to be holy as He is holy. I'm sure we can all relate. We all have our pet sins that we don't want to give to God.
That is why it is so important that we take the bible as a whole and not in part or we miss the whole message.
That is the way it is for everybody who has the hutzpah to speak truth, especially in the world of 'relative truth'.
I suppose there's a point at which the hunger to discard the myths about YHWH becomes stronger than the offense. Though I find that reading through scripture in a cycle allows the depth of understanding to go forewards, like from stepping-stone to stepping-stone across a foggy river. Folk do slip into the water and get a cold dunk here and there, but the Holy Spirit is there to help us climb up and catch out balance again.
As for Ian McKellan, (I'm impressed to read he found scripture to be truthful), isn't it often a question of pride?
It's hard for a person to admit to themselves, 'I might be wrong'.
Please don't mistake me as having posted my original message as having taken offense to the bible- though I did post briefly because of the thoughts poking and prodding at that subject.
I think offenses form out of a person's experiences, not out of God's word being wrong.
It's usually peeps who get the interpretation askew, since there's a big tendency towards adding 'spin' to make the truth easier to swallow. Blech.
Right, he must believe it's God word or he would not be so incensed to tear the page out. If someone left a copy of classical mythology on the side of my bed in a hotel room, I don't think I would be tearing it up. He really needs to rethink whether he is a true atheist or not. The Holy Spirit is knocking at the door of his heart.
Thanks, I may start using more of this guy's stuff. After all if we are compared to as sheep, Jesus is our Shepard, and we are His flock...then it makes sense we should use sheep to study about ourselves. We may learn a thing or two.
ds2, I thought you may be interested in a little background on this man and his family. I don't know if you got to see the very first video about sheep in the debate forum that I posted a while back called The Rejected Lamb...it was my favorite. http://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2314528
Thanks for this, refreshed. They seem like wonderful people and I so like their style. The other video....beautiful but sad too:(
On a side note, if you or rainy or others could please include me in your prayers? Health is seriously failing right now and I would very much appreciate a little kindness in the form of some prayers....