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Home Remedy May Help Prevent Surgery in Some Patients with Gallstones
(North American Primary Care Research Group) Results of a study examining the efficacy of a traditional home remedy for inducing gallstone expulsion using lemon juice, olive oil, cascara sagrada and garlic/castile enemas suggested that this protocol has the potential to safely eliminate the need for gallstone surgery in a substantial percentage of patients.
Six patients with symptomatic cholelithiasis proven by ultrasound were included in the study. The subjects completed a three-day treatment protocol and collected Gallstones recovered from the enema. All of the patients passed stones. No side effects were observed, except for mild nausea in one patient. Intermittent ultrasound monitoring was performed for three hours per day each day of the protocol.
A final ultrasound assessed the degree of clearing of cholelithiasis. Five of the patients were asymptomatic for follow-up periods ranging from two to 27 months; mild symptoms returned in one of these patients after three months. The patient who remained symptomatic underwent cholecystectomy about one month after the home-remedy protocol. One of the asymptomatic patients who passed all of her stones underwent cholecystectomy anyway under the advice of her surgeon. The investigators believe that, with modifications, this protocol could safely eliminate the need for surgery in many patients with cholelithiasis.—richard l. garrison, m.d., University of Texas Medical School, Houston.
Being diagnosed with cancer is scary. However, with the advancement of medical technology, treating the disease is possible. Rather than be overwhelmed by the options and all the information being thrown your way, take the time to sit down with your doctor to discuss what cancer treatment options would be right for you. By learning what to expect and asking the right questions, you can prepare yourself to fight off the disease properly.
After you have taken some personal time to let your diagnosis sink in, schedule an appointment with your doctor to discuss the ways you can fight back. There are a variety of different cancer treatment options you can explore. When you meet with your physician be sure to ask detailed questions regarding what each process includes, how effective it has proven to be, and the length of time it will take to complete. With this information you will be able to make an informed decision about what route would be right for your lifestyle.
Knowing the amount of pain and side effects associated with a particular type of cancer treatment will also help you prepare. While no one wants to be told how much discomfort they will feel, being aware of what to expect can help you mentally get ready. You’ll be able to plan ahead and work with your therapy team to find possible solutions to combat the pain and possibly prevent major side effects. This can lessen the anxiety you might feel heading in.
While being prepared to undergo cancer treatment is largely mental, there are things you can to get your body ready as well. Maintaining a healthy diet that includes various vegetables, fruits, and whole grains is good, but you will need to take things a step further to strengthen your body. Eating more calories and increasing your protein intake will help you from becoming too weak and can help alleviate potential side effects. Armed with the right information and dietary instructions from your doctor, you can put together meals ahead of time so you can conserve your strength.
Where did this propaganda come from? The medical community that profits off of misery!
Not only does chemo-therapy not work for many cancers, it can actually accelerate death and always increases the misery and suffering. When they give statistics, remember that they have their fingers on the scales.
They say that people who take chemo live longer. The truth is that if you get sick and can not finish the chemo, you die faster, but they say that since you did not finish the chemo, they count you as being part of the non-chemo group. Who cares that it was the chemo that actually killed you.
The same is true for radiation.
The way they collect the data skews the results.
They may get rid of the symptom, but cancer almost always comes back because all the chemo and radiation that they can give will not fix the causes of your cancer. They love it that way. You keep coming back and they get more money.
>- healthy diet that includes various vegetables, fruits, and whole grains is good, but you will need to take things a step further to strengthen your body. Eating more calories and increasing your protein intake will help you from becoming too weak
!!!!!!!!!! More calories! Calories feed cancer!
Specific fruits and vegetables, yes.
Some people consider potato to be a vegetable. It is a starch that turns to Sugar and feeds cancer.
Sounds as though your here to tell how grand standard treatment is and that we somehow must accept the inevitable. You tell us we should talk to our all knowing doctor and the chemo isn't really that bad, it is all our mental outlook.
Well -- tell the thousands of people that are going through chemo that all their side effects are a natural, standard process of treating cancer. Really? Who says? The FDA, the AMA that follows what the FDA says and the Pharmas that tell the FDA what to approved according to their profit projections? It is not about treating cancer to cure it but to treat it in the most barbaric ways until either your drop dead from the chemo, or the cancer gets you or you run out of money - in that case you might survive if you go alternative otherwise you will succumb to the disease. It's not a good picture.
May advice to those being diagnosed. Take the diagnosis - go home - research find options! Read about them, talk to other doctors about them - integrative doctors! Get opinions. Meanwhile - throw out processed foods, chemical cleaning supplies, chemical soaps, lotions, you name it - if it touches your skin, or you ingest it or breathe it - and it has chemicals - get rid of it. Start fresh with good products that do no harm. If you can get a blood test that shows what chemicals and heavy metals you have - that will help you - but assume you do - you got cancer. DETOX - Begin eating organic, raw and slightly cook food. No refined sugars! Lots of juicing - helps the immune system and detoxing. Now find a doctor that is going to be there for you, get a good protocol based on your cancer, he or she will help you boost your immune system and kill the cancer with different modalities by weakening and killing it off. DETOX - dead cells and toxins will be coming through, take care of the liver, it will be doing a lot of work.
Stay focused on life, not death - that is a variable none of us know about. This is life - live it. The trinity-self has the cancer, treat the trinity-self.
No where in there is chemo and radiation - they would be the last thing I would think of ----- not impossible to skip but 90 percent will never need anything so barbaric. Cancer is made to be scary to make you run to the standard care and give them lots of money - if it is not insurance paying for it no one would use it, who has 2 million dollars? That is what the normally get for about 3 years of care - more if you live longer. For one percent or near that, of what you would pay your lovely doctor and hospital for standard care, you could be well and living happy; or you could give 2 million plus and die.
It's all about choice - but if the people are not told and they are fed propaganda the status quo will continue. Jesicha's Hope will not be part of the propaganda but we will open doors for those that see the light of the truth and we will support and advocate for them so they will find wellness and happiness without cancer.
HI----After having gallbladder problems for over 3 YEARS, I finally found something that has worked for me! I have been doing this for one month now and am down from ALL-DAY ATTACKS that continued for a week, to 1-2 episodes of five-minute back pain! The "distended feeling under my right rib" is gone! It is worth a try, easier than these flushes------with no risk of stones getting stuck in ducts, vomiting excessively, possible visits to ER, drinking foul-tasting stuff, etc. Here is what I did to get rid of my pain!
EVERY NIGHT, castor oil packs using castor oil with a heating pad, usually 2-3 hours at a time...(perfectly safe to use, old remedy, I have been doing this now for a month)
Daily, drink APPLE JUICE AND GRAPE JUICE as well as loads of water. NO fried or fatty foods. No chocolate!
Taurine (an amino acid) 2000 mg daily----mice were made to get Gallstones by chemical induction and then given taurine daily and all the mice's Gallstones disappeared! (Taurine is known as the "savior of the gallbladder!")
Milk thistle--(cleanses and repairs LIVER) ---3 capsules per day
N-acetyl cysteine (amino acid---1200 mg daily
Beet root (500 mg-----6 capsules per day)
Spirulina---six 500 mg capsules per day--(green SUPERFOOD--this will REALLY clean you out!)
Calcium/Magnesium Citrate w/Vit D----3 caps daily (relaxes muscle spasms in the back)
Chamomile capsules----4 per day---an antispasmodic---relaxes back spasms
Hydrangea Root Tincture (liquid)---2 dropperfuls per day (yucky taste!)
Vitamin C----2000 mg daily and Vitamin E-----400 IU daily
At these doses, all 10 of these supplements are safe----the most expensive one is the N-acetly cysteine, (about $15)
All these cost me about $40 month----way less than the $10-15,000 for GB surgery....give it a try if you don't want to try flushes! I am certainly glad I did! Good luck to all!
Evidence and experience indicates that Gallstones are often (but not always) an indication of a problem elsewhere, mostly in the liver.
Flushing may clean the whole biliary system and restore its natural function and the balance of chemical production in the body. Another goal of flushing is to establish the cycle of cholesterol from blood to discharge as this appears to help the metabolism and benefits health.
Fat in some form in the diet exercises the gallbladder maintaining a strong reflex and full evacuation of the stored bile in the gall bladder.
Were you ever sick and did you ever get a stone stuck?
You might be feeling fine but can you let us know after some time what the ultrasound says.
From all I have read, and my own experience, it seems to be impossible to get rid of calcified stones any other way.
In my case even the big stone (1") is still there but because of flushing the inflammation is gone, the thickened wall went back to normal, from 42mm to 3mm.
The stone had blocked the gallbladder neck, what created all the problems, because of flushing it became free floating and the bile flow started up again and the gallbladder healed itself.
I am now stone (soft stones) and symptoms free, can eat anything, but the stone still shows on the ultrasound.
After 3 years I have used every supplement mentioned for breaking up the stones, no change.
The good thing about flushing besides getting rid off stones, my allergies are gone and I was able to get off my anti-depressant medicine.
Hi, thanks for the reply. In my research, even calcified Gallstones CAN be gotten rid of with CONTINUED LONG-TERM intake of taurine and Vitamin C, of course assuming you have the time to do that and are not in repeated acute episodes that could be life-threatening. Do not be foolish with risks to your health, of course! Apparently Gallstones cannot co-existent with constant intake of taurine. Malic acid also can dissolve them. Interesting, did you know that taurine is required to produce bile? Taking taurine improves bile flow and keeps it thin enough to PREVENT stones. Taurine also INCREASES THE PRODUCTION OF CHENODEOXYCHOLIC ACID by 70% percent----chenodeoxycholic acid is a DRUG PRESCRIBED BY DOCTORS FOR GALLSTONES! Why would I take a dangerous drug when taurine can boost the production NATURALLY of the same thing in my body? Taurine has also been with urodeoxycholic acid, the drug that is prescribed for DISSOLVING CHOLESTEROL GALLBLADDER STONES! Vit C BREAKS DOWN cholesterol to bile and also RAISES the NATURAL PRODUCTION of urodeoxycholic acid. Vit C every 1-2 hrs during an acute attack, 1000-2000mg at a time until you reach your tolerance (which is diarrhea), with NAC, can help. NAC can speed BREAKUP of gallstones, proven in lab studies.
As far as my personal ultrasound, I have had 3, as well as one mormal HIDA scan. The gallbladder wall was normal size, no sludge, no stones seen, no dilated ducts, pancreas, liver, spleen and kidneys imaged as normal....three times. Since I have all the symptoms of gallbladder disease, I assusme I either have "sand" or stones too small to be seen or truly have acalculous situation. My last high-definition ulrasound done at a major medical center was two weeks ago.
I will try my supplement protocol and maybe at some point might try a mini daily Liver Flush to see what happens. May the LORD heal all who ask. Know this is a liver forum, so will not post here again!
Oh no, do post here again. Where else are you suppose to post this info. We are to be open to all the help and experience that people have to give. I don't think Tellman meant to discourage you from posting your info. just that most people come here to know how to succussfully flush. Your info. is valid and informative. Thank you for sharing it.
Please keep the group informed about how you get on. You have remind us all that they are different ways to tackle a health problem and that we mustn't be too precious about our own beliefs. Keep in mind that this is liver flushing support forum that also happens to one of the more lively groups on curezone and although we like to be informed and educated it is not at the expense of flushing.
The information below in to help clarrify a few issue raised within these threads.
There are several different types of "gallstone conditions" some of which are cause by a single event such as bacteria in the biliary tree and other by chemical imbalances, liver conditions and other factors.
Black and brown pigment stones which are usually radio-opaque (show up on an x-ray) are in the minority and may even be attached to the viscous inner layer of the gall bladder. These can be extremely difficult to remove by flushing and may be helped by the use of supplements to dissolve them and dilute the thick mucus in which they are suspended. Biliary sludge being dense but not as dense as pigment stones will show up clearly on a ultrasound. Common "green Cholesterol stones" which have a very similar density to bile often do show up in an ultrasound examination.
Even so some stones will not even dissolve but you won't know until you try which can take quite a long time even years. Half the people that have pigment Gallstones also have an underlying liver condition and/or a reduced gallbladder function.
If you eat a "normal meal", for example, having a mix of protein (15%), carbohydrate (60%) and fat (25%) a fully functioning gallbladder will usually empty by about 75%. Occasionally it may be beneficial to eat more "good" fat to encourage a greater emptying.
you mentioned taking many different stone breakers, and since I don't want to waste my money, I would really appreciate it if you would list them. There's no doubt there are many remedies out there that are expensive and just don't work!
Thanks in advance,
You are ABSOLETLY CORRECT!!! You MUST consume "good fats" every day or get the gallbladder gets sluggish and stagnated and does not work correctly------just don't eat TRANS-FATS---french fries, chips, cheezes, processed "garbage" foods, fast foods-----eat olive oils and the Mediterranean diet-style-----in fact, LOF-FAT DIETS AND RAPID WEIGHT LOSS ARE A CAUSE OF GALLSTONES! Eat healthy!
I am glad you are feeling better. I would suggest though, that you up your Vitamin C intake. When taking NAC, you should be taking 2-3 times that amount of Vit C. So for your 1200mg of NAC, you should be taking at least 2400 mg Vit C. The NAC utilizes the C to make glutathione.
Thank you, will do! Actually some days I take MUCH more than 2000 mg Vit c, as you really cannot take too much Vit C---it is simply excreted in the urine if not needed by the body. Dr Linus Pauling felt that Vit C was THE cure for EVERYTHING, icnluding cancer. Studies have proven that high intake of Vit C AND Vit E can really help PREVENT gallstones.
Can you tell me where you read this information.
We all wish that it was true, but you have to understand a lot of us have heard these stories before and people try it and we don't hear from them anymore.
I have been working on my calcified 1" stone for 3 years after trying malic acid, chanca piedra for months, phosfood, lemon and peppermint oil, stone crusher, eating an apple every day,gold coin grass, coptis and there was another one, that's all I can think of now.
I have done 47 flushes and my flushes are stone free now and all my gallbladder symptoms are gone. I went back for my ultrasound and my 1" stone is still there, no change in size after doing months of different supplements.
Since you only have gallbladder symptoms and no calcified stones, I had also a thickened wall and inflammation, which is gone from flushing, you might be helped by just taking supplements. The problem is that most symptoms also come from the liver, a lot of people that come here after gallbladder surgery still have to do flushes to get the liver clean because their symptoms come back.
So have my best wishes and let us know in a year if you are symptom free without taking supplements.
Dear Hanna-----Every time I post here, you seem to reply with a skeptical answer! Dear friend, there are ALWAYS more than one way to approach any problem in life! The things you mentioned you have tried are NOT the quality supplements I am on-----you must try taurine---the research there IS solid! Gallstones cannot exist in the continued presence of taurine! It may take a long time, but if it works for me and I am not in an acute life-threatening situation, I am content to do what I am doing now. That is not to say that it will work for YOU--but it may work for others here who are not too "far gone" with their stone situation. I never said I expected to be SUPPLEMENT FREE in a year--I fully intend to be taking taurine and my other supplemtns from now on--s I have done for years! AT $10 a bottle for 90 easy-to-swallow capsules, I am perfectly happy to do as I am now----I would rather swallow my supplements than the flush ingedients and know I am going to vomit and feel ill. It is always your choice! To good health....
Forgot something---to Hanna-----Yes, GB symptoms DO come from the liver--therefore, taking MILK THISTLE DAILY WILL CLEANSE AND EVEN REJUVENATE THE DAMAGED LIVER! Milk thistle is also VERY WELL researched and has been used safely for a long time......it is a very potent liver cleanser---start today and maybe Gallstones will never be a problem in the future--cleanse the liver and you cleanse the gallbladder as well.....
See my last post I mentioned them and I can add chinese bitters to that.
Here is a link from Spirit (webmaster and curezone originator) about softeners. http://www.curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=73&i=462
A lot of people say the supplements helps, they have better flushes, but the trouble with this statement is, that every flush is different, so it could have been a good flush no matter what.
In my case I had to try thing because I have a big calcified stone. Most people that do cleaning for general health just have soft cholesterol stones/gravel/sludge.
The "stones" are susually pea size and green like peas, you can squeeze between your fingers.
In general it is suggested to drink applejuice before, or 4 tbs apple cider vinegar(from healthfood store) in a quart of water the 4 days before. Cranberry juice is ok too, but might be kind of tart.
Read the FAQ at the top of the page, it has a lot of information.
I have never used vit.C in a liver flush. When I came to Curezone over 10 years ago that was not part of the formula. I went from doubling over in pain everytime I ate cheese or ice cream to being pain free. I also lost weight, overcame chronic depression and sailed through menopause.
Now I think back it might have been before CZ. Before I came here I had books from like Adele Davis and Life Extension.
Probably the main thing I was taking was vitamin C. I switched
to buffered C and had no problems anymore.
I remember now in which house I was living and it should be more than 30 years ago.
WEll seems it is worth a try 20569. But that is alot of D--- supplements. You take ALL of them? Maybe I should just try the Taurine.
If I can use this to stabilize my issues. -- And alkalize like Moreless Forum says maybe it will all even out. Seems he feels one does not need to cleanse if you alkalize. Alot of people on this liver cleanse site cleanse on and on. Thus they continue to form stones. So maybe alkalizing would solve that.
I however have never gotten a cleanse done. Does not work.
I must say the liverflushes helped me, I think I almost did a 100 of them over the years, but I still have my stone. For the last several years I have not done anymore
ultrasounds. About 4-5x a year the gallbladder acts up and I keep it under control with drinking a tbs of epsomsalts
Kidney or other stones within the body are formed by perverse or metamorphosed secretions and excretions, brought about by a faulty diet: it really is that simple.
Adhere to a wholefood diet with plenty of fresh fruits, vegetables, legumes, pulses, nuts and wholegrains, with the addition of unadulterated meats if desired, and then eat only when hungry.
Stones are also known to be dissolved via water-only-fasting, if carried through for a sufficient length of time.
but also read the links I gave in my other post. There is a lot of information there.
In regards to the original poster she was here only 2 months and she did post that she felt better after 1 month and then she stopped posting.
Like Telman said in the beginning to improve might take
a long time.
As far as taurine goes I tried that for years If your stones are not calcified some of these supplements might
help, but nothing worked for me.
Hello. I just wanted you to know that this post helped me. I tried many of things you suggested, along with some other things too. I had one ultrasound that showed sludge. A later scan showed nothing. So I would consider that objective proof that I cleared the sludge. It was a long road (two years) with plenty of pain, but I am fine now. So thanks for posting these suggestions. Gigi
Im not sure why my post yesterday was deleted or moved from the Liver Flush Forum to Gallbladder Surgery Forum so tryin again. It really needs to stay here. The Liver Flush Forum because that's where Ive gotten the most help from start to the end of this!
I did pretty much EVERYTHING anyone here has recommended numerous GB flushes, supplementing, dietary changes, exercise, stretching at times yes fantastic pain relief especially early on, the last few months NOTHING WORKED to stop the chronic upper right side dull pain. Over a year Ive worked diligently on this, cleansing flushing detoxing.
In desperation I called out here 2 weeks ago for HELP to STOP the PAIN.
Got my GB out 10 days ago. IT WAS THE BEST THING IVE DONE FOR MYSELF IN THE PAST YEAR! It turned OFF the NOISE!
Unless you've worked as hard as I have, made the changes I have and CONTINUE to have problems, winding up in the ER several times, chronic almost DAILY RUQ pain impacting your quality of life. KEEP WORKIN ON ALTERNATIVE Treatments
I, unlike Hulda Clark did, BELIEVE there IS A TIME and PLACE for CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE. I want to live longer, NOT die faster as she chose to, because she was TOO LATE doin alternative.
I AM angry at myself for having to get to the point where I needed medical intervention. Especially after the surgeon told me only a few very small stones and crystals, severely inflamed not infected gallbladder and stones lodged in the common duct. Had I kept flushin n supplmenting who knows maybe there would of been an end to the pain once and for all. I think I did give up before I truly succeeded. Sounds like me!
Thanks to all of you that helped me get through! Liver Flush forum and the Parasite Cleanse Forum
Keep on Cleansin! GREAT HEALTH TO YOU!
Peace to ALL you FREE THINKERS!
If there were no or few stones it means your gallbladder was infected. Liver flushing alone won't cure an infection. It will just get the stones out. An infection requires something potent like Vitamin C IVs or Hydrogen Peroxide drops. Chinese Medicine for inflamed gallbladder also could have helped you.
You gave up too soon, and now you are forever missing an organ.
Does anyone know if there is a link between lipomas and one having their gallbladder removed? Many in my family have lipomas and my sister has the worst case. She had her gallbladder removed. I've wondered if there is a link between the two? Anyone else out there with lipomas also have their gallbladder removed? thanks..c
I'm looking into this as well. My wife had her Gall Bladder removed about 6 years ago and is now getting Lipoma on her scalp and back. The more we research it, seems the lack of a Gall Bladder is the major culprit, leaving the liver to try and process the fats and enzymes.
If anyone has info they could share, we would be very greatful. The Lipo's are growing and she's going to have them taken out next week. But the real concern is they could grow back. Anyone experiment with herbs? I've read Chicken weed and Bitters is supposed to help. We will begin using it. Anyone else out there getting these after Gall Bladder removal?
YES. Had mine removed and later developed lipomas. Always thought the 2 might be related, but don't know. it is however, medically documented that lipomas are genetic / inherited. Did others in your family have their GBs removed.
I had one lipoma, had it removed. Developed 4 lipomas. Had them removed and now they are all over my body. I believe they should never be removed. They should be addressed. I have heard this many times. I will be trying the cal carb and castor oil as well as the gluten free diet. Be well.
Yes. My gallbladder was removed for a long time and I got the lipoma for years. I am looking for the best way to get rid of it so bad.
It is a big appreciation if anyone here can tell me what is the best way to get rid of the lipoma. I have been in the embarassed moment for swimming, sports or even shy to semi-naked when very hot for exercise, etc.
Thanks once again advance if anyone here can input some nice wayout, thanks again!
I had my gallbladder taken out 10 yrs or so ago. All of my lipomas started with an ache. I have 2 near tailbone, 1 on spine. The one on my outer calf seemed to appear all of a sudden. My other conditions are bone spurs, ADHD, high cholesterol & blood pressure.
Thinking about surgery. It's been nine months since my first gallbladder attack and I've been managing symptoms using good diet, herbs, acupuncture.
Have tried to flush liver and gallbladder to an extent. Seen what seemed like small stones come out several times.
Have a 3cm stone at or in the neck.
I don't want to try flushing in case of it getting stuck.
I think it'd be good to keep my gallbladder but also I keep in mind this debate in my head:
Symptoms now probability:
- have symptoms now and they will likely continue as far as I know (is that right?) even if managed
- possibility that this could lead to other issues
Post surgery symptoms probability:
- surgery does have risks (and that seems scary)
- some people develop other issues associated with no gallbladder or continue various issues
- other people (many?) stop having digestive issues that were present and associated with the stone(s)
Therefore either one might lead to or have other issues but surgery option has some chance to make me better.
I think that's the main pro and con to evaluate; would you agree? What other advice would you offer? Basically I feel I debate my symptoms and possible further issues vs unknown possibility of new symptoms and further issues vs I could possibly feel and be better. Fear of the unknown vs fear of current situation vs hope for a better solution.
so basically I am talking myself into surgery because I'm so 50/50 as far as interpreting the success of TCM herbs, acupuncture and flushes. On some days I feel I must've made some progress. On other days it seems my symptoms worsen and it's just so hard for the gallbladder to work around the stone.
This has been so difficult and in one sense I feel like I'm giving up on one route to wellness and in another sense I feel like I'm trying to be safe from this condition possibly getting worse.
I performed over 120 Liver Flushes in a span of almost three years, tried everything I could with parasite herbs, cadtor oil packs, bowel cleansing, h202 cleabses, sibo treatment, and the Water Cure , but although everythibg seemed to help to some degree, the attacks would become more and more frequent until the pain was constant.
Yesterday I had my gallbladder out and, although now I have new bloatibg pain from the c02 left in my abdomen after surgery, I can tell for sure that the gallbladder pain I had before is gone. I'm also suddenly feeling much, much more energy and clarity of mind, as if my body is no longer spending its energy fighting a diseased organ. I can tell that after I recover I will be happy and able to live my life again.
I think it is diffucult to treat gallbladder disease because its a little pocket of space in your abdomen with low blood circulation. Any herb or product would need to pass through other organs to get to it, diluting effectivness. And also the existing stones and many layers of tissue seem to reinfect the gallbladder if you can fight much of the infection and pain with something like h202.
I'm happy mine is out. I spent a lot of time and money trying EVERYTHING.
So I have a gajillion problems, I am positive it is from a terrible diet from all my travelling. Mostly fast food and soda. Anyway to make a long story short I developed arthritis. I went to a doctor and have rheumatoid factor and high sed rate and creative protein. I also have the gene hlab27 and AS. My back pain problems go all the way back to my 20s where I threw my back out constantly.
I believe AS couple with a terrible diet led me to arthritis and many other problems. About a year and a half ago I weighed 316 lbs and was convinced by doctors to get gastric bypass. Well, I decided I did not want to do that and began to change my diet and fasted with a lot of research. My research never came across getting gallstone. So now I have a gallstone and I have a lot of problems with digestion. For awhile I had diarrhea or constipation at random and couldn't go out or do anything. After while of dieting and losing weight my bowels are a little more controllable but still not normal.
I had an ultrasound and I have one stone that they saw near the duct. I know it is there because I can feel it all the time. It isn't terribly painful but it's annoying. I mainly have problems with constipation, and seems like it takes days for food to digest.
Right now my diet is chicken and fish with kale, chard, avocados, olives, pickles, sauerkraut, carrots, blueberries, apples, raspberries, grapes, broccoli, beets, flax milk, coconut oil, bone broth, bananas, tomatoes, and that's about it. Every now and then I get gluten free pizza or tacos. I avoid gluten, dairy, and any added sugar.
I am taking these supplements for over a year. Fish oil, turmeric, glucosamine, chondroiton, msm, ox bile salts, vitamin d3 and a long list of digestive enzymes.
I will be starting rowachol, interfase, glutamine, and montmorency tart cherry juice this weekend.
I am down to 240lbs but have recently flared up with back pain that is bad enough to keep me in bed for almost 2 months now. So I haven't been able to exercise or work or anything except focus on my diet. Currently, whenever I take bile salts my gallbladder lights up and I feel it doing something. Whenever I eat I feel disgusting with belching and gas so I refuse to eat out with anyone despite my healthy choices.
I am always nauseated and fatigued to the point where I can't even get up from bed. I have to fight with myself constantly to go to the bathroom or move from my bed to my desk or to walk my dog. It seems like all that takes the life out of me. Then I can't sleep for more than 3-5 hours at a time. I used to sleep 8-10 hours every night and really miss that.
I have been diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and Anklyosing arthritis. Although I am sure that I do not have rheumatoid arthritis and everything is related to AS and digestive problems. A doctor mentioned I may have high levels of mercury but do not know where they found this as o haven't been tested for it. I do have silver filling in 3 teeth and plan to have them removed for compositors as I can afford it.
Right now I would just like my digestive system to get in check, I am so sick of feeling nauseated and weak all day every day. I rarely have a good day anymore. If I do then it's full of pain from inflammation.
I wanted to know if there are any other things I should be doing to help my digestive system? I don't know what else can possibly help besides the supplements I am getting this weekend. I have eliminated all the foods that trigger pain or make my stomach worse. Most of that had been bread, mangos oddly, dairy such as milk or cheese, the worst pain comes from bacon and eggs.
I do take 5-10mg of prednisone every day otherwise the pain is too much and my tongue swells and I can't function much at all. It makes losing weight very difficult but I am afraid to lose anymore and form more gallstones. My doctors are wanting to start me on humira which I am afraid of, the side effects for that are twice as scary as prednisone which I have been on for nearly a year now off and on. I haven't stopped taking it for several months now.
I do drink only purified water or core water or electrolyzed water when available. I do not drink coffee or sodas or milk and rarely any juice. I eat very little and do not lose weight unless I fast. I blame prednisone for that and wish I could get off it as if I could I feel like I would drop weight fairly easy.
My goal is to get on consentyx for AS, and hopefully heal my stomach, and get off prednisone so I can lose weight and hopefully get back to walking normally again.
Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated and greeted with a warm welcome.
By the way I ordered a ubiome kit which should arrive shortly so I can find out what bacteria is rolling around in my guts. I had an h pylori infection which was eradicated with amoxicillin and some clavumanate or whatever antibiotics which seemed like it was killing me for nearly 3 weeks. I no longer have this infection. I was also on minocycline twice to attempt it as an arthritis treatment but I could not handle the headaches and dizziness. I was also on Meloxicam for months which only helped with pain and seemed to make my life worse.
I have made slight progress with my diet changes as I feel lighter and I am able to actually open and close my hands as before I could not. Right now they are swollen but I am able to use them. I am slightly better off because of it.
Anyway, that's all I can think of to give information about these terrible diseases I have brought upon myself. I am slowly digging myself out of the death trap. I have researched everything on my own so far and have had very little help from doctors at all. So I hope that I can find some advice here.
Imagine recently diagnosed with 3cm calcified gallstone. I am really scared (34 yrs age) of surgery and wanted to know if it can be removed without surgery. Please share your experience of gallbladder flush and related experiences.
I did it 2 years ago. It eventually came out after about 10 flushes. Big difference with you, I didn't know that I had these big stones inside me. I feel great since. Good luck.
ps: no pain at all to flush this out.
Very great find Telman! I enjoyed reading the story of the lady at the end. When she thought it was something different (heart?) instead of the gallbladder. I had that one evening I was debating to call my husband who was, at all places at an ambulance meeting as a volunteer EMT, and I could just see everybody leaving the meeting. I just stayed quiet and waited and luckily it went away. My attacks have never been like I read from other people.
One time I was standing in the kitchen and all the sudden I felt sick like the flu for some reason it flew through my
mind that I always suggest to people on CZ to take 1 tbs ES
in warm water. Though I thought I had the flu, I tried it and it went away. It shows gallbladder problems can give you strange signals. Finally in May my gallbladder hurt also when I pushed on it, never happened before in 15 years,
so I figured time for surgery, even the ES was not helping.
We were half way to the ER and said to my husband let's turn back I feel fine again, so we did. Just for safety I made an appointment for an ultrasound. The US said 2.6cm stone, no thickened wall or inflammation. The MD said you might as well leave it alone since you have done ok so far.
I was wondering if you should put it on some other forums (not cross posted) like Crohn's.
Since doing the cleanses I don’t seem to have no where near the Crohn’s symptoms that I used to have. My bloating has reduced, my nausea has gone and I’m not as constipated as I used to be. I no longer have diarrhea and my appetite has improved. The more cleanses that I do the more I keep improving and I’m keeping the weight off.
Interesting observation about the clicks.
About 10 years ago I noticed that usually the first post
got the most clicks. Then I tested it with a good Curezone
link inside, say like a post from Andreas. I needed a CZ post so I could see how many clicks the link got and it was only a couple %.
It probably means people like to read general information
and don't follow through with details. In this case with
the highest rating I have no answer for it. I can understand not everybody might be interested in the article but you would at least expect them to open the post.
Hello all at Curezone, first time registered here and do apologize in advance for my long ramblings.
I’d like to start by mentioning that I am a 58 years old male, 5’7” and weighing around 145 lbs.
I had a few gallstone attacks back in 2012 and was advised by doctors, surgeons and friends that there was no option other than to remove the gallbladder. At that point, I also had spinal stenosis, sciatica, herniated discs, enlarged prostrate, hemorrhoids, arthritis and liver cyst (a scarred mass left from ‘80s due to amoebic abscess), all of which contributed to the deterioration of my overall health.
I hesitated to remove my gallbladder and went online to do some thorough research back then and studied several sites including Curezone. I learned about Andrea Moritz and Hilda Clark’s liver/gallbladder flush recipes and decided to change my lifestyle, diet and to do the flush.
In 2013 I did 3 flushes over a period of 6 months and the results were quite dramatic. The first one was shocking and a bit scary, in that, I not only saw hundreds of stone-like bits floating and as well as sunk in the toilet but also few greenish worms crawling. I felt very weak but after few days of good rest, became rejuvenated. The second flush released more stones and the third lesser. There were no more gallbladder attacks after the first flush. My diet mainly consisted of light breakfast, fruits, vegetables, juicing, some chicken and fish, organic and gluten-free products and lots of water. I went down from about 185 lbs to 130 during that time. I could feel my body aches and pains diminished, skin tone improved, felt lighter yet stronger and a clearer mindset.
Fast forward to mid 2015, due to unavoidable circumstances, my lifestyle and diet reverted back to where I was once again; gradually consuming fast foods, fatty and cholesterol laden foods, hot and spicy foods, sodas, chocolates, candies, ice-creams and so forth along with the “good stuff” as well. Gee, I couldn’t resist such yummy foods. My weight gradually went back up to around 160 lbs. and started to feel the fatigue, body aches, stressful situations and hold-and-behold, the gallbladder attacks once again. I started taking apple cider vinegar and occasionally 7-up with salt, which would ease the pain.
Come November 2015, I moved from California to Texas. Here, in the beginning, I started consuming more of the hot, spicy and fatty foods mainly due to the company and circumstances I was in and had few minor attacks. Each time taking apple cider vinegar and hot towel wraps to calm.
I recently moved to another place here in Texas and with that came a few stronger gallbladder attacks and then just 2 weeks ago that night came the most excruciating attack of my life after consuming some hot and spicy Chicken Masala. It was unbearable. I was sweating, shivering, having chest and shoulder pains, feeling out-of-breadth and about to pass out when I suddenly felt something large stuck or trying to get out of the bile duct and slowing moving back and forth in the gallbladder; all the while having immense pain. I felt my stomach area painfully tight. I was in the bathroom and started to vomit profusely, after which the pain suddenly died out and felt very weak. My housemate took me to the nearby ER where they did a blood test, EKG and an ultrasound. The ER doctor said that my gallbladder is completely full of stones and needs to be taken out as soon as possible and gave me a choice whether to be taken out early morning while I spent the night in the hospital or referred me to a surgeon to schedule an appointment right away. I chose the latter, came home and went to bed.
From that day onward, I once again started eating nothing else but fresh fruits, vegetables, juices/water, some non-spicy baked chicken and fish, whole wheat bread, non-fat organic preserves/jams, olive oil made non-fat butter, apple cider vinegar and lots of Granny apples. I still continue to have very slight pain now and then, perhaps due to the sack full of stones or a mushy liver along with my back and other problems as mentioned in the beginning.
With all that said, am I still a candidate for a flush or must I rid my organ?
Thank you Steve888 and Southern Belle. I am preparing to do the flush next week but have few questions in the meantime.
Would drinking sodium Bentonite Clay solution alone suffice instead of colonics before and after flushes? Any other alternatives to colonics or intestinal cleansing?
Since I've already lost about 10 lbs in just these last 3 weeks due to sudden change of diet, can flush(es) bring my weight down to alarming levels?
My gallbladder is completely full of stones along with experiencing discomfort even when consuming just "soft" fruits and not sure of any other problems associated with it, hence can flushes complicate the situation I am currently in, what worse may happen and precautions to take?
I would consider Bentonite with psyllium husk as it does a better job of cleaning up any toxins trapped in the colon. If the flushes bring your weight down at all it will be because you are releasing toxic waste which is always a good thing. The flushes will only help to restore better function to your liver/GB and as a result you will have less pain and discomfort.
I do smoke a pack a day and drink light craft beers 2 12oz bottles almost daily. I can manage to not have them at least on the day of flush and hope won't have any problems or side-effects before or after?
Any suggestions on which brand of Bentonite and Psyllium I should consider? I looked at the following at Amazon:
I received the Psyllium Husk and calcium Bentonite clay 3 days ago from Amazon. Upon reading the label on Bentonite, it warns that "this clay is not meant to be ingestied. If used orally, do not swallow".
I emailed the company about this and they replied the same requesting if I needed credit.
I read that few other companies sell the "food grade" of this very item while some have conflicting descriptions and reviews. Are there any differences between them, even though both (i.e. food grade or not) claim the same for its genuineness, purity, refinement and extraction/milling methods.
Okay folks, for starters I have been taking 1 tsp of Bentonite mixed with 1 tsp of Psyllium in water for last 2 days in the morning after about 1-1/2 hrs. of taking my routine wake-up coffee. After another hour or so, I take my light breakfast.
I haven't felt anything thus far other than slightly fuller and not sure what to expect right after (or a little later) taking the clay mixture. Are there any noticeable signs that tells oneself of something's happening?
I ordered the items and should receive them tomorrow. Since this will be my first time taking these items, what quantities of Bentonite and Psyllium must I mix together and the best time to take? Should 2 days be enough and then start the flush on the 3rd?
Can you please tell me how manyliver flashes have you done and on what one you had what you had?
See, couple of years ago I went for the ultra sound of my gallbladder and the doc told me that he did not se any Gallstones there but my gallbladdrer is inflamated (so I thought I had them). I also read that 'soft' ones are Not seen on ultra sound...
Anyhow I did myself a few flashes... I basically drunk all day fresh apple juice (no Epsom Salts for the first couple of times) and then that oily mixture with grape fruit.. and so far i had like 30 soft green ones (they could be the ones mentioned in the article and be juice from the oil I drunk :/ )....
Then I did two more with Epsom Salt and the results were kinda nothing..
This time I decided to go for 4 days JUST being on juices and in 95% cases I drank Just fresh apple juice... So for all 4 days I drunk like 10 liters of it (340 oz in USA way I think)... Also every morning I was doing coffee enemas..
So today i went for another coffee enema and I only passes 5-6 very tiny green bits (like peas) and nothing else..... Yeah, some crazy stuff was coming out of me (like left overs of food and mucus..) but nothing major.... so it seems like I just cleansed my colon in a way and detoxed my liver.. :/ .. :)
Organizations like quackwatch are just from the establishment. They know all they have to do is introduce a small amount of doubt in order to sway or scare people back to conventional medicine and chronic illness, which keeps those in the establishment (FDA, pharmaceutical companies, etc.) very wealthy.
My mother has UTIs. I bought her D-mannose and gave her dietary suggestions, but she went to the doctor, took antibiotics, and now has chronic, constant UTIs and yeast infections. She just went again and got more antibiotics. She won't get on the computer and look up treatments, and only takes my advice sporadically. Her health is rapidly deteriorating. What can you do?
I don't think you can even trust naturopaths. I have been to quite a few and while some of their advice is good, they still have blinders on, and they still want to sell products, which makes them biased and invested in keeping people ill.
I wish I had a biology degree instead of a psych degree because then I could take the knowledge I've gained from my own experimentation and others' experiences and do some good.
Well as I said this time I drunk 2 liters at least per day of fresh apple juice (for 4 days) andalso did coffee enemas...
I do not know.... after enemas a lot of stuff came out of me.. and beside those green pea look like thing I passed some white/ yellowish looking like small tiny stones.. i do not know i did not touch them (they were hold by a big strainer i used for it)... yea kinda whitish powder but i just thought it is Stuff from my colon which was there for ages.
So do not know really but... I am Glad i did that. :)
I know all about those little red tomato skin looking things. The first time I experienced them was when I was doing a six-week-long hardcore Miracle-Mineral-Supplement (8 hours daily on the hour) and at the time, being unschooled in parasites, I didn't know what they were frankly - but like you, I knew I hadn't eaten any tomatoes.
So, I just finished up Humaworm for 30 days, and then coffee enemas, and an Miracle-Mineral-Supplement enema and have seen more of those. Finally looked it up and so many other people have seen them and wonder the same thing.
Hulda Clark calls them liver flukes and I tend to think she's right. I haven't seen any lately, which I'm hoping means they're finally flushing out. I think when they explode they roll up like tomato peels.
Thanks for this info because I've been wondering about the liver flush, getting ready to do my first one. My gallbladder area is tender from doing coffee enemas, and I passed two tiny little hard-as-rock stones today so that must be why.
Total farse. The article has similar versions floating around on the internet. and here in the debate forum. I did my first flush 12 years ago when I was very depressed when my dad passed away. I was lucky to have bumped into someone on the blogosphere who suggested to liver flush. There is nothing on this planet has made me feel that euphoric when 1000 plus stone came out in my first flush and depression gone totally.
I took all those stones to a lab through my doctor, who thought I had eaten peas or gren beans. The result from the lab showed that they were all cholesterol stones and also had a bacteria group in the middle of each stone. That tells you that the stones were not formed in my intestines with so called saopification.
I would not beileve such nonsense. I have so many stones come out in each of my flushes in past 12 years.
The best part is that it has kept me away from the doctors. Each one I visited prior to my depression wanted to put me on SSRIs, I am so lucky that I did not fall in that trap.
God bless that lady who told me about Liver-Flush the same day as my diagnosis of being depressed.
I had more than thousand stones in my first flush. I only stored and froze a small amount that fit in a small pickle jar.
I have the report from the doctor that says that all stones are cholesterol and with a group of bacteria in the middle. I had asked many questions at the time to my doctor and he simply told me not to do these drastic measures again, also told me in a scare tactic manner that I should remove my GB otherwise one day when I am travelling and doing presentations, the attack will happen then and then we do not know what will happen.
Anyway, we all agree that modern day medicine has its use and we all must educate people the best we can.
Imagine that - a 'medical professional' who is suppose to be someone you can trust tells you that you should stop taking control of your own health and flushing these stones out naturally, which has never killed a single person, to instead cut open your stomach and rip the entire organ out of your body,
A very high percentage of people who have had their gallbladder removed, still have "gallbladder attacks" - that's because most of the congestion is not in the gallbladder, it's in the liver.
'Gall' means bile, the two words can be interchanged. Gall is produced by the liver, not the gallbladder, and the liver has far more room to store this type of congestion, so the common belief that these Doctors hold that only stones can form in the gallbladder is nothing short of comical.
The gallbladder is way more important to the body than Doctors are aware of. The Gallbladder is connected to the spleen, and the spleen is connected to the heart. When you rip the gallbladder out, the spleen takes a huge hit, and therefore weakens the heart as well. There is a statistic that associates an increased heart attack risk in those who have had their gallbladder removed.
Not only will the problem likely persist after the gallbladder is removed, because only a tiny fraction of the congestion was held there, but you then reduce the chance of being able to get all of the congestion out of the liver, because the storage and contraction mechanism of the gallbladder to force the bile through the ducts and push the stones out has been removed.
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Look, I know you have done loads of Liver Flushes (and i bet u can write a book about it).. it is just I read that the gallbladder measures approximately 8 centimetres (3.1 in) in length and 4 centimetres (1.6 in) in diameter when fully distended. The gallbladder has a capacity of about 100 mL..... So how on earth it is poss to have so many Gallstones in it (1000)??
Ok, I guess it was that much and then Obviously u started paying attention More about ur Health and improved ur diet (Thus making the factors of forming those Gallstones LESS). Yes??..... If so HOW COME you keep flashing for so many years and the gallstones just keep coming in such amounts??... I could have understood if gallbladder was huge organ occupying half of the body but it is the Tiny organ..
And as I have already mentioned... I MIGHT have Changed ur Unhealthy eating habbits after that first flash and THUS those gallstones suppose to stop or limit their forming but u do that for More than 10 YEARS.... HOW COME???
Thanks Archus (and Everyone) for sharing ur point of view with me upon that.
This question is related Not only to Archus as I can see many of you say u do it for years... if you eat the Same Unhealthy food then it is UNDERSTANDABLE they are forming... but if u all eat Healthy then what is the point to do it that often and especially how come those amount of them coming out each and every of u ??
Only a very small fraction of the congestion comes from the Gallbladder. You're right in the sense that it is very small, which limits it's storage capacity.
Almost all of the congestion comes from the miles of ducts throughout the liver's biliary tree. Every time you flush, the gallbladder refills, with stones moving forward, from the liver and is pushed out, using the gallbladder's contraction mechanism.
The liver can easily store up to 10,000 pin head sized stones throughout it's duct network, which is why it can take a very long time to fully clean it out. When I really analyzed my symptoms and dated back to when they started, I realized that liver congestion had started at a very young age, so this process of congestion has been escalating for over twenty years in most people.
The stones literally become embedded into the liver tissue, causing some of the congestion to take several attempts to push and loosen up the material before it will come out. I went ten flushes once without one stone coming out, and then the next flush yielded a batch of stones that were an inch and a half in diameter.
When there are five thousand plus stones embedded into the tissue of the liver, and only twenty, fifty or a hundred come out every time, that means it can take up to 60, 80 or even 100 flushes to completely clean house.
I am currently on my 68th flush, and I am at the point where I can feel that only a little bit of congestion is left at the front of my liver, which has moved forward. My symptoms have progressively, and steadily reduced in severity with every flush, and my body is feeling very excited about how well it's going to be able thrive after this last batch of congestion is released. It is not until the very last batch of congestion that comes out until all benefits are realized, because even just four or five big stones can block bile flow severely, and cause similar symptoms as having hundreds of stones, doing the same thing.
Once there are stones blocking the bile ducts, the accumulation of more stones becomes compounded, because all the waste materials the body is trying excrete via the bile ducts gets stuck behind these stones and clumps up as well.
This is why until the last batch of congestion comes out, you are kind of in a race to get the front congestion out faster than new stones are formed, but once your liver is clear of congestion, you only need to carry out a maintenance flush every six months, and you're good to go :)
WOW, Heavensky, What a Post !!!!! Thank you Soo Much for your TIME in replying to me - Appreciated. :) :)
Well, I have done 5-6-7 ones (did not count really) and it is for the last 2-3 years..
As I said in my above reply, a few days back I finised my Liver Flush and i was drinking LOADS of fresh apple juice (for 4 days - 10 liters of it, and nothing else).. and not many stones came out :/ (or green soft something - whatever they are called)..
Anyhow for all 4 days and a day after flash I did coffee enemas too... (5 liters).
As I said, my first or second flash i drunk that fresh apple juice ONLY a day and i had more stones.. so it makes me thing i can safe on apples next time (coz they are quite costly here, especially after $ rised up - I am from Russia)...
Anyhow.. can u plz tell me how often it is adviced to go for liver flash.. and what is the minimum Gap between the flashes..... I heard in 9-14 days they could be repeated..
Yes, the malic acid in the apple juice certainly helps to soften the stones and make them easier to slide out of the ducts - it also makes it safer, in case some of the stones have sharp edges,
It is recommended to either soften or crush the stones for at least six days leading up to the flush to prepare the material to move out. I use a combination of apple juice (1 liter per day) and Gold Coin Grass in tincture form to crush the stones to get more material out and for it to move forward faster.
It is advised to flush every two or three weeks - this is for several reasons;
1) Flushing stones out of the liver is like having surgery. The stones are wider in diameter of the ducts, and were ingrained into the liver tissues for years and years, so when they are suddenly expelled, the liver has to heal from those changes and return to it's original shape. This usually takes two to three weeks for all the healing to be carried out.
2) Once a batch of congestion is removed, it usually takes two or three weeks for the next batch to move forward, to be available for release. Some people say it takes much less time for them, but the average is two to three weeks.
3) When a blockage is released, the huge amount of toxins and hormones that got stuck and hung up behind the congestion gets released into the system and a percentage of it gets recirculated. Because the liver is blocked, the other organs of elimination and detoxification take on most of the work load. It usually takes two to three weeks for them to fully process the toxicity and be recharged with energy to be ready for another flush.
4) When you take Epsom Salts and carry out such a heavy flush of the elimination system, it can take some time for the digestive system regain normality, sometimes a week, but it's advised to wait two.
I recommend drinking your apple juice warm - the liver and gallbladder like warm drinks, and this keeps the stones soft and easily crush-able.
Excellent post, thank you. I'm prepping to do a liver flush.
I'm new to the site tonight so bear with me if I'm a noob.
Would you mind elaborating on what the congested liver symptoms are?
I know mine has to be congested, no doubt. And I feel about half the person I felt at my best about a decade ago, but I know I can feel 10xs or more better than even my best - thus digging deeply into detox.
You sem sooo Knowledgeable about all that, Heavensky. :).
Just may I ask you about 2 things more.
1) I like drinking Chlorella (powder) drinks... so can I take that drink during preparation (for those 6 days) for my next liver flush?? And perhaps during a day of the flash itself??
Will it negatively effect the sucess? Well I read that chlorella is good for liver and the entire system.. so can I? :)
2) See, today after i read ur message, I went to the local supermarket and met there one lady who works there.. so by some reason I started telling her how to balance weight naturally and be healthy (it is my hobby for 18 years) and somehow I touched the liver flash issue... And she was like oh wow.. u did live flash and u had some stones out??.... Then she said that her doctor recommended her to go for gallbladder removal coz in ulra sound the doc saw a few stones and one of them is 17 mm (!).. So they offered her to remove gallbladder completely.
She also has gallbladder attacks... I recommended her to remove eggs completely as somewhere i read that it is on the top of the list of foods which causes those attacts.... about the rest of prohibited foods i do not remember.. perhaps milk and nuts but not sure at all.
So it is poss to Help her??I think she is ready for everything coz she does not want that surgery !! But she beleived that the dust channel (or whatever it is called) the channel through which Gallstones can leave gallbladder is too Narrow to pass that 17 mm stone (seen on ultra sound).. other stones less in side her doc said.
So is is Possible to Help her Safely?? May be, if time can wait just advise her may be for a month to have every day 1-2 glasses of fresh apple juice and then in 1 months or so go for the Liver Flush (so that that biggest gallstone is soften together with other ones?? Just a thought. I am Not a professional to advise her upon that..
You most certainly can help her, and you will be doing her a great service and saving her immense complication down the road by directing her toward this very safe and effective, self healing procedure, rather than surgery,
A very high percentage of people who have had their gallbladders removed still suffer from 'gallbladder attacks', and that is because most of the stones are trapped in the liver, not the gallbladder. Liver is what produces gall (bile) in the first place and is where tons of different hormones, drugs and chemicals are dumped for elimination which highly increase it's risk of dehydrating and clumping into stones.
Not only does gallbladder surgery miss it's target, but it greatly reduces the person's chances at fully removing the congestion from the liver, because it's the gallbladder's storage and contraction mechanism that is utilized to force bile through the ducts fast enough to push the material out.
The gallbladder is connected to the spleen, and the spleen is connected to the heart, which is why people who have had their gallbladder's taken out have more heart attacks.
You can most certainly take your Chlorella powder drinks during the six days leading up to the flush, but I would wean off of it the day prior, and the day of the flush because anything with high nutrition content requires quite a bit of action on the liver's part, and I feel that it needs to be as close to rest, idled state when the flush ingredients are ingested - that gives the liver a huge number of things to process at that time.
I personally drink the 'Vega One' whole food supplement in almond milk leading up to the days prior to the flush, and then eat warm apples during the day prior, and hardly anything on the day of the flush. Be sure you do not intake any fats during the day prior or day of - some people abstain from fats for three days prior, some only go two days, and some believe the gallbladder is fully reloaded within 24 hours. You may want to experiment with that - I have tried 24 hours, and it worked well, but I feel the most important part is keep thing stomach and colon clean at the time of ingestion of the flush ingredients.
Even if the food doesn't contain fat, if you have something in the stomach too close to the time you are ready to ingest the flush ingredients, it seems to interfere with the gallbladder's hoarding of bile. You want to keep all of those fluids in, and ready to be dispatched all at once with force, not leaking out leading up to it to deal with foods in the stomach,
I highly recommend taking Gold Coin Grass in tincture form, that comes diluted in a tiny bit of alcohol. The alcohol is transported directly into the liver, coupled with the GCG, making a very powerful stone breaker regimen.
By some reason I cant open the message of yours which u replied on after this massage of urs.. u saids like that stone of 17mm can pass without hesitation.. but i can't open that message :(..... can you Please open it on ur side and just repost it or.. just say it briefly when u said...
So that lady can do liver flashes then the way I know.. or she needs to Soften those visible on ultra sound stones First but drinking fresh apple juice every morning perhaps for a month.... If you know it is Safe for SURE then ya.. if nah, I do not want to take the responsibility if something happens with her during those flashes :/....
Ya I read from some ppl here that they did that and they Saved their gallbladder... and also tose stones which wre too big to pass through.. that stone just remaind inside gallbladder but Still smaller versions of them were Expelled and that big one was just Freely in it.
So what the program i can offter her Please... I really want to Help her without harming her. :)
The opinions of Other Experienced fasters Also very Welcomed. :) :)
Nadia, just to clarify - the 17mm stone can pass without hesitation. Some people on here have released stones that were two and a half inches wide, but the majority of the big ones are around an inch an a half and they come out without complication whatsoever.
Hello. I had gallbladder removed February 14,2005. I recently had a Cat scan done because of some post colonoscopy problems with small intestine blockage of feces. That is now resolved but I have gained tons of weight since the gallbladder was removed and cannot seem to lose anything nor have any energy to do exercise to do so. I now have hypothyroidism as well and am taking supplements but do not have the energy that was to happen either. The levels however are nearly at normal range though I do not feel any different really and in fact get insomnia from time to time. I got the Cat scan results and it listed that METAL CLIPS were found on the Cat scan results and these are found in the Gallblader bed...or Liver area. IS THIS NORMAL TO HAVE METAL CLIPS LEFT IN BODY AFTER GALLBLADER SURGERY? Thanks for any help with this matter. Also a few small retroperitoneal Lymph nodes are demonstrated as well on the Cat scan results and not sure what this means?
Yes, from what I understand they always leave in a Metal clip. The doctors say that it will cause no complications. Let me ask you a question. Did you have any complications for the first few months after your gallbladder surgery? I had my gallbladder removed on May 19, 2006. Things seemed to be great until about a week after surgery then I got this constant nausea. This sent me to the ER twice and finally they Doctors found a medication that helped and I then went back to normal, however on a very strict diet. Then just last week it came back. I had to go to the Doctor and he keeps telling me its from the bile in my stomach... I was just wondering what you went through after your surgery.. Thanks!!
Wow ok I wanted someone to tell me who also had the surgery if metal clips are to be left in after. Thanks. I didn't really have any problems after except for greasy foods I cannot eat without problems now and a few other types of food. I did get the bile thing too and vomiting but not right away and I still have that happen once in awhile here depending on what I ate before I felt queasy. Good luck to you. I did get a bad rash on my stomach where they put the surgery prep on and they told me it was Iodine based and that I was probably allergic to the iodine. I had alot of pain for longer then normal I think and not sure why that was either.
Also go to the bottom of this page and click on username and look for messages from Flowerchild59, she had to start flushing because of a lot of problems.
Usually when you have Gallstones you also have a clogged up liver, doctors don't know or feel that way.
Hello. It's been awhile since this thread was posted but it's the one closely related.
My wife had to have part of her colon on intestine removed 6 years ago. We recently had a CT scan done due to unexplainable pain orriginating from her abdomen area. They found what they believe to be a piece of metal in her liver. Could this be the clips that were mentioned? why were your clips left in? the doctors are unsure of the size or shape.
You might have to post a new message, only the posters in this old post might get an alert if they were signed up for it. As far as I can tell I am the only one still around.
You could repost it and also put the same post on Ask Curezone forum which will reach more people.
I had my gallbladder removed in October 2014, only a couple days later is when I was told that my eyes were yellow. I went to my follow-up appt days later and I asked the Dr to check my eyes. He said he wanted me to go have some labs done but I could go at my earliest convenience. I decided to go over to the hospital after I left his office, being that the hospital was less than a mile away. I had the labs done and was headed home when I got a phone call from a nurse telling me to turn around and come back to the hospital to be admitted. It turns out that I had Jaundice. They did a MRI and said there were OBSTRUCTION to my bile duct and I was there for 3 days. The Dr came in and told me that I was being transferred to a more MAJOR hospital for treatment. Where I live, this is the best hospital around and with the best Dr's. After multiple tests, it was determined that my bile was backing up into my system and not releasing from my liver. I was in that hospital for 5 more days. During those 5 days, I had a Bilateral Catheter bag put in on my right side which went directly into my liver. The next day, a feeding tube was put into my stomach. I had to drain my bile and re-feed it back into my body. I did this for months until I was healed enough to have major surgery. A metal clip was left inside my chest, clamping off one of my ducts. As a result of this, the great team of Dr's had to clip above and below the metal clip which had corroded to remove it. They then had to lift my small intestines up into my chest and connect that duct directly to it in order for my bile to flow through my body properly. I went through 3 months of pure hell and by the grace of God I'm here to tell my story. I still have some issues with all of this, I can feel my food in my chest, I have a irregular bowel which is the same color and same smell no matter what I eat, I have 8 visible scars on my stomach and I'm emotionally scarred. As for my situation, I know that a metal clip was not suppose to be left in me for whatever reason. I truly hope no one else has to ever go through this, it was not pretty.
I Had Surgery Last Month Am Forever Nauseated And Taking Meds For It. But They Only Give Me 20. Pain Been To Emergency Once So Far, They Found These Metal Clips, Guess That Is What Pinches Me In A Horrible Way, What Brought Me Here. Having A Lot Of Really Bad Backaches.
So, my grandpa is turning 77 this year and he has had two heart attacks in the past that made it so part of his heart just doesn't pump either any blood at all or hardly enough for him to be as strong as he was before. Recently, he found out he has a 2 cm gallstone lodged near the bottom of his gallbladder that's really causing him pain and it made his gallbladder infected. The doctors wanted to take it out, but because of his heart issues, they weren't sure he would wake up from the anesthesia and and instead voted to put a tube in through his liver into his gallbladder to drain the infection out. While that's great and all, the stone will still be there and if he doesn't get it out, it's going to kill him. For some reason, they think they can get his heart strong enough to do the operation, but he doesn't feel like that's going to be an option. Ultimately, my question is, does anyone know of any other options he has for a cleanse or things to stay away from that he can do even with his heart complications? I know about the amazing liver and gallbladder cleanse and I was looking into that, but he can't take the Epsom Salt because of his heart and he's on a low fat restriction so the olive oil is a no go. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Sadly I think he's too unwell to do a flush because of his heart. The flush can impact the heart due to circulating toxins that the flush pushes out into the bodily system. Instead have your grandpa take heart strengthening sups such as magnesium coq10 carnitine, hawthorn and fish oil
Well, after spending crap loads of money on organic healthy foods and supplements, I ended up having to get it removed. I got down to 115 lbs, sick and in pain ALL of the time, got to where could hardly eat anything but everything made me sick...
I tried so many herbs and supplements and remedies...but the fact was that I had a large stone in the neck of my gallbladder and it was obstructing the bile flow, so the pressure in my gallbladder just got worse and worse. It got huge. I had a big lump in my side and sometimes would feel it pressing on other organs...I could never get comfortable...I lived in dread and frustration every day.
The surgeon said it was good that I got it out. It was "very distended, very inflamed, obstructed and had hydrops (watery mucous)." It was about to rupture or become infected. They actually had to puncture it to drain the fluid in order to get it out, it was that swollen and tight. I have pictures, they are sort of humorous..because it deflates like a balloon. :^O
Sometimes it just has to go.
peppermint oil Epsom Salts
whole organic foods
grapefruit seed extract
going gluten and dairy free
There are probably things I forgot.
Moral of the story, herbs and supplements can't heal everything. Listen to your body I guess. I'm glad I got it out, I am four days post op and trying to be positive about the future now. Hopefully I can stop existing and start feeling like I am LIVING again. I was terrified of surgery but it wasn't so bad.
The first night was the worst. Very painful. I have had some pain, discomfort and nausea since but trying to see the light at the tunnel. It's better to have it done on your own terms instead of in the emergency room...Good luck to you all and be careful.
This could have prevented your need for surgery and made everything else you tried work better. I have done six of them. The first one was the most intense because I had 45 years of stones stopping up my ball bladder causing horrible pain if I ate beans or broccoli. Now I can eat both without even getting gas. The biggest stones that came out of me were about and inch and a half in diameter. The smallest look like green rice. I got about a pint of them the first time. Since then no more than a half a cup per flush. And no more big ones.
I did read this book actually and also others but unfortunately my stone was too big to flush and was obstructing bile flow. It would never have passed on it's own before my gallbladder ruptured or went infected. If it broke into smaller pieces or reduced in size and able to pass by some miracle it could have gotten stuck and caused an emergency situation. It was extremely enlarged and the pressure was getting worse every day.
So far I am healing from surgery well and able to eat without many issues. My stool has also gone from yellow and clay colored to brown. I don't feel like I have a heavy sandbag in my side anymore and feel that the surgery saved my life to be quite honest. But I think it's great if others are able to avoid surgery. I had no other options.