I have been diagnosed with intestinal Candida (confirmed by a stool test) and leaky gut. The naturopath also noted that my TSH was slightly high (3.8 and 4.2 during two separate blood tests). A few months ago I was diagnosed with lactose intolerance and SIBO and placed on antibiotics (Rifaximin), which helped my digestive issues, though they subsequently returned about a month later. With regards to the Candida, I have been placed on a very strict Paleo diet by the Naturopath I saw- I am only allowed to eat meats/fish and veggies (no potatoes, though sweet potatoes are okay) and two small pieces of fruit a day. This is supplemented by Oregano Oil supplements (10 days on, 10 days off), probiotics, and digestive enzymes as well as melatonin for insomnia. I have been tested for Celiac and gluten intolerance (via genetic test) as well and those were negative.
I am incredibly skinny and lost alot of weight earlier this year due to some personal issues and an attempt to eat healthier that in reality (and without realizing) was way too calorie restrictive, while also exercising way too hard for my calorie intake. I was never anorexic in terms of thinking I was fat but i definitely became too obsessed with eating healthy and my caloric intake was probably less than 1000 calories after working out for months. I think this may be the root of why I started to have digestive issues, though I have no idea (I also moved abroad, etc).
In terms of symptoms,I started with alot of bloating (especially during the evening), horrible gas, going to the bathroom rarely with loose stools, and feeling of fullness/pressure. I was also pretty easily irritable, depressed, have Raynaud's (cold hands/feet), trouble sleeping, and had alot of trouble concentrating/memory. Post the rifaximin, I felt much better for awhile but eating a "normal" and thus higher calorie diet caused severe diarrhea and abdominal pain. I am supposed to be going for a colonoscopy soon, as the Dr. suspects that the bacterial and now Candida Infection s point to digestive issues as the root cause.
Anyways, has anyone had success on the Candida diet? I have had less digestion issues since following the strict veggie & meat/fish (with some fruit) that I have been on but I find myself very tired and still losing weight.
To be honest, looking online is so confusing with regards to the Candida diet. Ie, Quinoa & grains is okay in some sites, not on others. Others say completely no grain and no fruits, others no. I'm willing to follow the diet if it will help cure me but I am honestly losing more weight and have very low energy, despite consuming spoonfuls of coconut oil and being very liberal in adding olive oil. I am 5'10" and have dropped to 100lbs so continuing to follow this diet and possibly lose more weight scares me. I have yet to see that it has really helped cure many people. Any thoughts/suggestions on how I can help cure my digestion issues?
I would like to incorporate some type of grain or carbohydrates if people have seen that it works for them in the battle against Candida so as to up my caloric intake. I just find the low sugar/low carb confusing, as I understand (though correct me if I'm wrong) that the body will convert fat and protein to glucose if needed so it seems like Sugar will eventually be in the body anyways for the candida to consume...
Thanks for any help and advice
"The diet seemed to help a little, but the yeast was still there. I sank into a depression after six months of “healthy living.” With every meal, I began to feel like I was just force-feeding myself so that I could get through the day.
“Why do you stick with it?” my boyfriend asked one day.
“Because I don’t want to be sick,” I replied.
“But is the diet even helping?”
“A little? Dr. Sal said it would take a few years. You know, baby steps.”
"At the end of June, after almost seven months, I went back to a regular diet. I’d lost 40 pounds. My cheeks were sunken, and I had dark circles under my eyes. I needed nutrients. I needed to feel normal again."
Agreed, the so-called candida diet (which doesn't even exist) or paleo diets are the worst possible diets you can follow, especially in your situation (addressing the original poster) of being underweight. The only benefit to paleo or low-carb diets is you will have less digestive discomfort because proteins don't tend to ferment in the intestines when your digestion is sluggish, however long-term low-carb diets will make everything 100 times worse including digestion, most people become totally carb-intolerant and develop other food intolerances on a low-carb diet because their digestion becomes extremely impaired. Avoid this diet like the plague. You need a healthy balanced diet with plenty of carbohydrates in your situation. It may not feel comfortable for now because you are likely not digesting most of your food and then it is fermenting in your intestines but that doesn't mean your body still doesn't need it. You need to correct your digestion and overall balance of your body. Any doctor that you go to should be telling you how they are going to get you back into balance. If they suggest paleo diets (or any other fad diets) or anti-fungals to treat candida, they have no clue how to treat the body as a whole and are no better than regular mainstream Western medicine (which is completely pathetic of course). The absolute key to curing candida is correcting your digestive function and immune system, it has nothing to do with starving the candida or blasting it out with anti-fungals.
Thank you very much for all your help. I understand that Paleo may not always necessarily be low-carb but the current version of Paleo that the naturopath has me on definitely is- I am only allowed veggies & protein and 2 fruits a day. I definitely have issues with Carbs as when I went home over Christmas I just decided to try eating normally (plus all the Christmas goodies) to see if digestive issues would just disappear if I ate normally. The result was severe abdominal pain and diarrhea for 2 weeks. It was awful. Shortly after was when I was diagnosed with Candida and the diet stopped the diarrhea and pain (though it comes back every once in awhile). I definitely agree that I dont think the diet is the best for me. I expressed my concerns to the Dr. and he just told me to eat more avocado and coconut to get more calories.
Any suggestions on how to improve digestion and avoid intolerances when transitioning to a regular carb or regular diet? I want to be able to eat carbs and everything but am afraid of returning to feeling horribly sick, as I need to work, live etc. I definitely have candida in the intestine... how can I eradicate it? Everything I see points to this diet...
I understand your situation very well and it is very difficult to correct your digestion once it has got to this state. It is important to understand that you have candida because your digestion is impaired, not the other way round. Most people think you just need to eliminate candida, then your body returns to a healthy state, it is the opposite, help your body to return to a healthy state and candida will also be removed. It is hard to give specific advice to you because I don't really know enough about you, but what I would say is that however you got yourself in this situation, do the opposite to get yourself out. So you were under-eating, over-excersicing, malnourished and that is what got you sick, so do the opposite to correct your health. Eat regular, nourishing, healthy meals, with a healthy balance of carbohydrates, fat and protein and keep consistent meal times. You should prepare your own food and it should be all foods in their natural state, unprocessed. As I said, yes carbohydrates may cause digestive issues currently, but that doesn't mean they are bad for you or that you should avoid them. This is a very common mistake people make, myself included, to avoid carbohydrates and you set yourself on a path to disease and suffering for a long time. I see the pattern time and time again on curezone of people that eat low-carb, they feel a bit better for a while but over time develop more and more food intolerances and eventually notice that even their low-carb diet makes them feel sick by this point you have dug yourself a very deep hole that becomes more and more difficult to get out of. Don't exercise too much, go for relaxing walks and do slow-paced yoga. No you can't just eat normal food, you have to take care, find the foods that give you the least amount of reaction, some people do well on potatoes and squash, for me white basmati rice is great. You may want to go easy on the fruits for now, but you have to find nourishing carbohydrate foods that you can eat on a regular basis. Coconut oil and avocados are fine but they should not be a staple of your diet.
I have always eaten "regular" meals (3 times a day, 2 snacks a day) but I will definitely work on increasing the calorie intake in each meal by incorporating carbohydrates. Will probably lay off bread for now but will try to incorporate rice, oats, quinoa, etc until I feel like my body can handle gluten/bread. Any other suggestions on food? I usually snack on fruit or yogurt but had to stop the yogurt with the lactose intolerance. I recently tried tahini (though this technically wasnt allowed) but noticed my symptoms were worse with it so i stopped. Potatoes and sweet potatoes are definitely a good idea. Will try the sweet potatoes tonight.
Yes, I would agree staying away from bread is probably wise. Modern wheat is a toxic poison that shouldn't be consumed by humans. Anything with yeast in it will tend to ferment more in the intestines. Rice, oats and quinoa seem pretty safe, amaranth is also very good but the taste may not be for everyone, very nutritious though. If you eat fruit it should be eaten alone not combined with anything this will decrease fermentation in the gut. Some fruits will ferment more than others, see what you feel okay with. I find it strange that you have symptoms of lactose intolerance from yogurt, as the bacteria in the yogurt actually breaks down and digests the lactose so there is very little lactose if any by the time you consume it. You could be feeling a reaction of the probiotics themselves, some people can have problems with fermented foods.
I will say this and hope it is of help. Paleo diets and low carb/high animal protein was nearly the death of me. Sure, it stopped some of the fermentation symptoms at first and bandaided a few things for a while, but my digestion became so bad, my intestines so full of putrid fecal matter, and weight plummeted to 125 lbs... I was eating 3000 kcal of meat, butter, veggies and dying.
I then knew I had to drastically alter things. It wasn't until I went vegan, eliminating meat and mucous forming foods while cleansing my colon for the past 6 months that things have changed for me. I've gained fifteen lbs, lost lbs of mucoid plaque from me, and dead yeast is now coming out of me like nobody's business, along with the dead fecal matter it was hiding behind.
Sure, I eat a lot of fat right now, but also a lot of carbs (from legumes, veggies, avocados, nutritional yeast).
Base your diet around fresh, raw vegetables, greens, some good health oils (especially coconut) and make sure you get your nutritional yeast for B vitamins... black beans have also been a staple for me.
But like has been said, impaired digestion, lack of good bacteria, and putrid dead waste in the colon causing constipation are at the cause of a Candida Overgrowth . Address these with a balanced diet and colon cleanse, along with fermented foods, and you're on your way to healing this beast. I'm finally almost there... passing colonies of dead yeast daily and eating 200 + grams of carbs a day. :)
Sugar is definitely your enemy at the moment. It won't always be but while you have an overgrowth of candida it is the one sure thing that is going to make it much worse. I know this from experience. I have a reasonable suspicion that I got candidiasis from eating too many of those glace pineapples in the first place. Simply delicious but certainly not worth the 2 years of suffering that it gave me.
I also agree with the other posters here that refined carbs are also your enemy. If you check my other posts you can see how I finally got rid of mine. I think it's important to have good amounts of roughage .. cleans the bowels out apart from keeping you regular. That doesn't mean not cooking .. you still get roughage out of cooked vegetables and many vegetables you can't get the goodies out of them unless they are cooked.
I definitely have issues with digestion... I feel like everything just sits there, fermenting and feeding all the bacteria and yeast in my stomach (I previously had a bacterial infection in the small intestine). No matter how much veggies & protein I eat, I can´t quite seem to get rid of it. For this reason, I´ve been taking the pancreatic enzymes to help digestion.
I'd be happy to help. I know how this can ruin a life, so the more people who better understand how to regain their health the better.
First and foremost, there are too links that you should look into to getter a better understanding of what we're dealing with.
This explains the real issues that cause and exacerbate digestive issues and lead to overgrowth of harmful bacteria and yeast.
Basically, our intestines are a big tubing system, and when we eat lots of meat and things that have no fiber, it lays putrifying in the gut, and candida, the cleanup crew of our body, goes to work feeding on all of this matter.
The problem with the candida diet is that it only addresses the Sugar issue... and it never addresses the overgrowths true food source, dead and decaying food and organic matter... think fungus and mushrooms growing and decomposing dead trees.
So basically what I did was this. I was at a point where I needed ALOT of calories to maintain my weight early in July... like 3000 kcal of avocados, oils, beans, veggies, and have been able to be satiated and cut back on what I'm eating as I've been cleaning out my colon, as my digestion is improving, and I'm taking in more of what I'm eating.
Two products were God sends.
First, the herbal laxative that shakes off the dead and decaying mucoid plaque and matter.
Cascara Sagrada: Then...
The fiber/herbal mix to move the matter OUT.
ABC Bulk Aerobic Cleanse: I have been taking 1T a day since July.
Now, I would start slow. Start changing around your diet and start on the laxative... The worst foods to eat for your digestion are dairy and meat. What I did was go to mainly raw frozen or fresh brocolli and greens beans/peppers/etc etc... and enough black beans, pinto beans, etc for carbs.. Also making sure you get Nutritional Yeast for the B vitamins is very important when going vegan, because you aren't eating meat.
It took a few months to start really getting alot of plaque out, but now I am passing stuff that's been in my colon and small intestines for years in every BM... along with yeast colonies, which were hiding behind the plaque...
1) Go vegan, and make sure you're eating enough to stay full
2) Incorporate Coconut Oil (a few T) into your diet and any other healthy oils, avocados if weight is an issue
3) I would avoid grains at this point, but legumes are fine and have lots of fiber to push things through
At first the gas will be a lot. You may feel like it's getting worst, but it does before it gets better. I basically have no gas now whatsoever no matter what I'm eating (still vegan of course), but it takes a while... eating fermented foods that are raw is key, but you may want to wait until you clean your colon for a while.
I would also look into Bragg's Raw Apple Cider Vinegar.. it will help with hunger, digestion, is an antifungal, and helps dissolve and loosen plaque.
Any more questions, let me know :)
PS: It's scarey to change things drastically, but if I didn't I'd be in big trouble or worse right now. I'm now having 3 good bms a day with the laxative and Cleanse, but it will take a while to get my intestines exercised enough to do this on their own.
Many thanks for all the suggestions and support. I definitely have been eating the majority of my veggies cooked, as I think its easier for my system to digest. I will try to incorporate more raw veggies as well though.
It may be a good idea to start eating them very lightly steamed, and then work your way to more raw... Until you really get your digestion strong again, it may be hard to digest completely raw veggies, although I go hog wild.. I was eating like 4 lbs of raw veggies a day lol.
My son has got cold hands and feet and possibly raynards which started when I gave him lactobacillus. Gg. He has candida. He has other issues to. He to has lost wait and recently has a bad seizure and spent 3 days in hospital. He is currently on an antibacterial but it is not curing the problem and we have to do the moat test in five weeks time to find out what damage the probiotic has done.
I know that When I increase my sons carbs to a higher level his nose starts to run and he starts to become unwell. He does have carbs but I constantly have to monitor the situation. He does well on low carbs but on higher carb grains they make him I'll, in fact they effect his brain and his gut.
Not all carbs are created equal. With some people, certain sorts of carbs can make them very sick while others are fine. If you google FODMAPs and Monash University, you'll see what I am talking about. Many, many people have been helped by sticking to a low FODMAPs diet.
Some good ones to start him on are raw garlic, raw onions, coconut oil, olive oil, kale, brocolli, brussel sprouts... and as far as probiotics... buy raw fermented foods like raw saurkraut. More effective and safe... natural.
What does his diet look like? and what do you mean by carbs???
Good thing to do also would be to buy some nutritious seeds like flax and chia seeds and see how he likes them.
Hi, hope things are better for your son. I've just recently come across socks with silver thread which are to reduce heat loss experienced by people with Raynards. If it's too late and you have painful, itchy chilblains, then you may want to apply an insulated tongue electrode (come with some vintage violet wand sets) this will genuinely relieve pain.
Raynards can be extremely painful due to the body tempreture being significantly colder - the right hand-hand belongs to someone with Raynards
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about 3-4 weeks ago i did a 10 day fast and dropped to sub BMI of high17, low 18 (not a big deal).. I had a good few weeks of re-feeding but seemed to not put on the weight, as I was pretty cautious with what ate, broke my fast over a few days, and continued with internal cleansing every 3-4 days. If there was a special treat like home baked goods (organic, no refined flours or sugars) I would split it up over days.. so obviously careful moderation was taken.
I was about 51kg (112) 168cm (5'5'') going into the new fast (2nd oct) - which is technically underweight but no too bad... My re-feeding didn't really bulk me up though. I have not weighed myself and am wearing lots of baggy warm clothes (avoidance much??) . I have noticed that I am loosing weight more rapidly than in my previous fast. I also noticed that It was hard for me to gain any substantial weight in refeeding..
at what weight is it dangerous for me to continue to fast?
Is there a point that I should stop fasting? or should my body somehow cope and find a way to stabilise my weight?
any info/experience would be appreciated. I am not worried for myself, and I know when and how to break if it gets bad, but I would like to re-assure my family as they are seeming albeit supportive, but quite concerned.
I have been recently diagnosed via DGR labs with positive
H.pylori virulence factor vacA as positive and Guardia ssp. positive
I have written a lengthy entry here on CZ last year when I desperately needed help. Some of my symptoms are chronic fatigue, bloating, feeling inflamed inside and hot in my head, thirst, constipation, nausea, tightness under my right rib cage side,
I am underweight,
I don't know what the h.pylori virulence factor means. Could someone tell me.
As for giardia, what treatment options do I have except flagyl. I barely iterated amoxicillin last year and so antibiotics are last resort. Please share your ideas or treatments that helped.
I do not know what the virulence factor means. It might identify the strain of pylori.
H. Pylori can cause leaky gut which might be part of what is causing you problems, especially the constipation and heat/inflammation. Your body will be reacting to foods which are being absorbed into your bloodstream only partly digested and your immune system is reacting to the food molecules.
Colloidal Silver might be the best solution all round except that it is highly debatable how far it will travel before being absorbed. It might help with the giardia or it might not. It should destroy h. pylori which is the first thing that needs sorting out as that compromises your stomach and allows things like giardia to enter your body. H. pylori creates an enzyme called urease which it uses to neutralize your stomach acid which it needs to do to be able to live in the stomach. After eating protein you are likely to feel tired because of all the ammonia that gets produced in order to neutralize your stomach acid. Ammonia in large doses stops energy production which results in sleepiness.
H. Pylori creates a biofilm which is difficult to beat and antibiotics have difficulty in beating them which is why doctors use triple therapy to defeat them.
Try and get your bowel moving. Leaky gut causes a deficiency of choline which means acetylcholine production is compromised and acetylcholine is the major nerve/bowel stimulant. I use lecithin to help with constipation which can soften the stool quite well. Taking Choline can cause a body odour but lecithin does not have that problem. I tried choline but did not get along with it because it made me very tired.
Sunflower or Soya lecithin powder mixed in water with a hand blender works well. Mix up a jug and take regular doses throughout the day in water, 2 or 3 times. You might need quite a lot to get things to move at first but you might be able to reduce it once things begin to move. I mix 120 grams in 750ml of water and store it in the fridge.
thanks. I was using clove oil 2 drops in capsule 2 times daily for the past 3 days and I started to feel really weird and then stomach ache and so I stopped today. I read that clove oil is toxic. Shoot!
Yes I believe that Clove oil is toxic. I think it is okay for using as a mouth wash but I would not consume a lot of it. Be aware that if you do have leaky gut which you might have with pylori then it will put a lot of extra stress on your liver and might raise your liver enzyme levels. Therefore you do not really want anything that adds a further burden on your liver. With leaky gut the liver is having to work very hard.
Do not be put off by stomach discomfort like many people are. Some who use CS say that it upsets their stomach so that they stop taking it which is not the way to do it! These infections need to be wiped out because they cause many health problems and if my ideas are correct, some very serious ones.
BTW When using Colloidal Silver get some distilled water too. Then when taking CS add some distilled water to it so that it fills your stomach. That is important! You might be infected by other bacteria besides Pylori as there are a number which do very similar things like Pylori but are not detectable by any tests. I am fighting them ATM and taking CS gives me a slightly uncomfortable feeling in the right side of my stomach where I know there is/was a very large infection. That has diminish in the last couple of days and my iris shows a substantial reduction in the marking that was there. I don't think it is entirely gone but it is much better than it was. However there are 4 others which also need to be destroyed. The ionic CS that I purchased from Amazon is utterly useless and has practically zero effect on anything which I have tried it on so far, including a mouth infection. That is going to get a very negative review from me. I might buy a CS generator as it tends to get expensive purchasing the stuff, especially when the quality is so low. A small particle size is important as it makes it more effective.
I have been using elemental CS, a reduced Ionic silver which has worked much better than the Ionic silver that I purchased. It works for many hours at a time as I notice the feeling in my stomach when it is working. I was also getting a feeling in the back of my head ie the hypothalamus. I have Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome and have noticed this before on occasions when using essential oils in the past. Those never really got anywhere significant and I did not like using them due to the effect they have on my liver, which already has elevated liver enzymes shown by multiple tests.
I am hoping that better quality CS will have a greater effect and finish them all off. So far so good but it still is not enough. Working with poor quality tools from Amazon is not helping TBH.
It's believed that Pylori is present in 56% of the population and there are other bacteria which are more common than Pylori IMO. Therefore you are likely to come into contact with them again in the future.
Do you think that clove oil may do a permanent damage or is this weird feeling and hyperactivity only temporary?
PS: I had a root canal treatment a month ago and I think that it now puts extra burden on me. I don't know what to do with the tooth now, should I keep it and wait or extract it.
If I was you then I would lay off the clove oil. If necessary you could break a capsule into water and use it as a mouth wash if you need to but spit it out afterwards and do not swallow. Therefore do as your school friends probably once told you ;) lol
If you get some CS then you could use that as a mouth wash and swallow it to treat your stomach and with a bit of luck the giardia.
Is your tooth causing any problems? It is difficult for me to offer advise as I am not a dentist and I have no experience of root canals. Is there an infection? CS might fix it if you regularly mouth wash with it.
BTW I have updated my previous post so please read the bottom bit which I added.
Hmm...Thank you man. Cloves are definitely something that I cannot mess with for now. I also took 2 drops 3 times a day so it might have been too much for me. It is one of the most potent natural substances,at least that is what I read, superior antioxidant properties. It might have caused a die-off but on the other hand I am poisoned with gadolinium and cloves might have stirred things up for me. I am on a roller coaster for the past few days. I also zapped for 5 days with metal plates so it also could have "released" gadolinium or killed parasites and fungi.
As for the root canal it wasn't even done yet but I went for extraction yesterday.
I have a weak immune system so I didn't want to risk getting even worse.
How did you get the gadolinium poisoning, from contrast agent? Did you have it confirmed with any lab work?
It looks like kidneys are where symptoms manifest so I would try to do some kidney work. Maybe increase salt, parsely tea, citrulline/watermellon seed, goldenrod tea. I'm not positive if edta chelates gadolinium but if so a safe way to use it would be suppository. Have you tried something simple like ascorbic acid powder or buffered ascorbates?
There is a product called ora-chel which is edta capsules. Maybe you could try a low dose or two.
There is another remedy for Pylori but it works mainly for blood type O - fucoidin. It also works on other types but not as well. Some people find gluten free helps to kick Pylori, or it's a necessary step.
Thanks I will look into it. Kidneys are susceptible to toxic damage but so is the liver. I mostly feeling my liver suffered a lot. I also have brain issues because of that and eye problems. I heard that extra is heavy on the kidneys. Is that right or no? Also someone told me that oral edta is destroyed by the stomach acid. Please let me know because I am all mixed up. Is edta safe in small amounts and how much daily is safe.
I already removed my root canaled tooth after reading about how bad they are although many people have them and seem to be ok. Perhaps I acted out of fear and made a wrong decision since it was the last molar. Are all of these root canals bad, do dentists lie to us. If bacteria are present in a tooth or around it then there should be puss around it. Please explain to me why root canals are bad even though dentists say otherwise.
Clove oil can inhibit glutathione production- it's big brother, cinnamon oil, doesn't have that property. I'd grab oregano essential oil and use it several times a day in oil pulling. The essential oils are similar to Colloidal Silver in particle size, though they don't leave behind smooth tissue damage where silver does when it encounters encysted parasites. (See veterinary studies on the effect of Colloidal Silver on the liver, kidneys, heart and lungs, old stuff. Good reason to stick to the dilution the other poster mentions.)
CoQ10 and the 80-10-10 or raw to 4 should help with those sorts of CS cleanups.
I have heard of folk using rife and zappers to mitigate the effects of root canals, pretty good ways to keep the infections at bay.
Read my post to you again, google the things I mention so you understand better. ;-)
Rife therapy, oregano essential oil, cinnamon essential oil, oil pulling, zappers.
In the long term just get the tooth pulled and oil pull with olive oil with as many drops of oregano essential oil mixed into the olive oil as possible, especially during the healing phase so you don't develop cavitations.
(As many drops as possible- aka, that doesn't make you herx/feel very sick. 1 drop per tablespoon is a good place to start, or all the way down to 1 drop per 3 tablespoons, and store the other oil that won't fit in your mouth for later pulling sessions. )
Root canalled teeth are very expensive to keep from spreading health problems.
showing clove oil to reverse chemically induced memory deficit and slightly increase glutathione.
I could care less about pushing clove oil but I think cloves are an excellent spice as well as cinnamon. If you grind your own spices the essential oils are much stronger and there is no need to buy expensive essential oils unless for some reason you need very high doses.
Volatile oils in spices can go rancid very quickly, according to some sources within minutes, so fresh ground can have more benefits than people realize.
A note about cinnamon, vietnamese cinnamon or cassia has stronger medicinal properties than true cinnamon and it's much cheaper.
Raw cloves are extremely pungent and a tiny bit can throw some people off just because they are so strong, especially pitta types. Boiling them down can make them much easier to tolerate.