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I'm anxious to do a Liver Flush but I'm hesitate because I've high blood pressure and the formula has Epsom Salts in it. Would it be safe for me to do this particular flush or should I use another one? I would like to do this as soon as possible . Thankyou very much for any input you might offer. Sincerely , Sally
> I'm anxious to do a Liver Flush but I'm hesitate because I've high blood pressure and the formula has Epsom Salts in it. Would it be safe for me to do this particular flush or should I use another one? I would like to do this as soon as possible
it seems that Epsom Salt helps lower blood pressure.
You can test it on yourself before you actually attempt doing the clense.
First, you should do Water Cure for at least 1 day to insure you are hydrated.
Then the next day take 1 tea spoon of Epsom Salt deluted with water and just eat and do as you are use to.
Monitor your blood pressure to find how you react to epsom salt.
Then, if you have no negative reactions, the next day you can take 1 table spoon of epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) with water.
Again, monitore your reaction.
If there is no negative reaction, then you will feel secure and safe and ready to do liver cleanse.
Please let us know your experience with BP and epsom salt.
Other people reported lower blood pressure when taking daily 1 teaspoon of epsom salt (magnesium sulfate).
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From: "Barbara Filbeck"
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:29:42 -0600
Subject: [gallstones] Epsom salt and high blood pressure
Can you use epsome salts if you have high blood pressure? We are waiting to
hear before we (my sister and I) start our first flush. Thanks for any input.
I had the same concern before my first flush, (I have high blood pressure). No worries, Epsom salt will actually lower your blood pressure. I've done two flushes so far with no adverse reactions (unless you count a huge case of nerves the first time cause I worried about taking the Epsom Salts :-)
That is a great question, I was wondering that myself. I think I have read that people have been told they needed their gallbladders out, then did liver flushes, then were told they can keep their gallbladders.
I would love to see an ultrasound of my gallbladder before and after, but that will probably not every happen because I don't have any pain or other symptoms.
hi! I have just been diagnosed having a "liver hemangioma" (after an ultrasound). Not much was said to me, except that it was benign and nothing should be done, except "watching it:". I have been in a lot of pain ever since November, 2001. First, I was treated for an ulcer and given antibiotics. Pain got better for a while. It came back. Studies were done (ultrasound, CT Scan). Hemangioma was found. But nothing is going to be done, I was told. Pain continues. It's hard to live with pain for a long time: pain, nauseas, tiredness, burning (sometimes). Could it be caused by this "hemangioma"? And if so... what could be done about it?
Monday I'm going back to see my primary care physician. What would you advise me to tell/ask her? The specialist told me to "let it be", and "we'll just watch it".
PS: will you please reply directly to my e-mail? Otherwise, I will not know where to find you. I was searching for anything on the Internet about "hemangioma", and I found your page.
I would suggest bowel cleanse, parasites cleanse & liver cleanse.
There are two types of liver hemangioma: cavernous and hemangioendothelioma.
Hemangioendotheliomata are generally seen only in children.
Cavernous hemangioma is the most common benign liver tumor of adults.
Cavernous hemangioma occur in individuals of all ages and throughout the world. They are more commonly found in older persons and rarely identified in young children. Cavernous hemangiomata are more common in women than men. Estrogens may increase their size.
Cavernous hemangiomata can vary in size and be as large as several centimeters. The margins of the tumors are usually well-defined. Hemangiomata are filled with vascular channels of various sizes and also contain fibrous tissue. Thrombi (clotted blood) may be present in the vascular channels.
Very rarely, a hemangioma can rupture, usually after abdominal trauma.
Cavernous hemangiomata are benign.
The best treatment for benign tumors are Black-Walnut , wormwood & liver cleanse.
Sadly, none of these homeopathic remdies are going to be of any use to someone with hemangiomas. Hemangiomas are a tangled mass of veins that are primarily a birth defect. It does not effect liver function - but is dangerous because of the risk of rupture and bleeding to death. Some hemangiomas creep into the abodminal cavity and grow incredibly large (and are very dangerous). When a hemangioma is that invasive, then it can hinder liver function. But there is no medicine or remedy that will alleviate the condition other than to have it removed. They are not a "tumor" persay that will shrink - unless you have a procedure done that injects alcohol into the tumor, which cuts off the blood supply, and allows it to shrink up naturally (but not cure it).
Last week I was told I have to giant hemangiomas one 16cc and one 6cc. I have been in a great deal of pain in my shoulder, rib cage and back. My liver is not functioning properly and my cholesterol skyrocketed to 380. I have not had the MRI yet only an ultrasound. My Dr. said that it is possible to shrink them without surgery. I have no idea what method she was talking about and had no idea what it was she said I had either. This week I have been doing a lot of reading up to understand the diagnosis and what is means. I was relieved that it wasn't something worse however I am still worried about how to get rid of it and how invasive that will have to be. With all the reading I have not heard of one case so far where they were shrunk without surgery. Does anyone know of something new?
I had a Ct scan & they saw a density, a nodule, in the liver.....they suspect it is hemangioma but I think a biopsy has to be done to make sure it is not malignant.I am not a doctor..but I had a friend who was not diagnosed on time for malignancy & is now dead........
I also need advice.I pray a lot & I trust in God's help,but I want to do my best & have the best treatment too....
What do you think.........should I accept the hemangioma diagnosis based on the Ct scan alone or have a biopsy done........I too experience pain on the lower left quadrant....thanks to your advice....
My husband, who has a cirrhotic liver was recently given an MRI; the interventional radiologist came up with a diagnosis of "hepatocellular carcinoma"; we went to specialist yesterday at Mt. Sinai (world reknown liver transplant center) who has said that he believes the radiologist was incorrect in his diagnosis and after viewing the many levels of the MRI graphics said he was fairly positive that it was not cancer at all, but rather a hemangioma (lower right lobe of liver). My husband is in no pain - he does not drink AT ALL and is extremely healthy. The Mt. Sinai specialist has, however, ordered a "guided" biopsy, so we will not really know for certain until Monday, but he was quite positive that the spot was a hemangioma, "nothing more than a birthmark", he said.
So if anyone here has pain, it would seem to me that your primary care physician should refer you to a liver specialist and have that specialist determine whether, from your history, and your bloodwork, if you should have a biopsy....I would certainly want one! Good luck!
I had a 10cm hemangioma removed 5 yrs ago. DO NOT let anyone do a biopsy...it can cause a hemangioma to burst. It's true that hemangiomas are benign...but the fluid inside of them is poisonous and can kill u fast, within minutes. See a liver surgeon!
I'm posting this May 2014
I have also been diagnosised with liver hemangioma. I was experiencing a pain in my lower right high thigh, right where my leg attaches to my body. My Gyno thought that I might have indometriosis, so she did a laproscopy.......nothing. She then sent me to a internal med doc. He thought that it might be a hernia.....not. They then saw that my liver had these lesions. He suggested that we wait 3-months to see if there is any growth. My Gyno called back and wants me to see a gastroinstesional doc. I made an appt. with a very well-known clinic that treats all diagnosis, and has a VERY good reputation......we will see. I have been searching on this subject as well........WE HAVE TO INFORM OURSELVES, AND BE OUR OWN BEST DOC!
Which, by the way. We haven't found what was my origianl pain or problem.....the internal doc put me on Celebrex ( an anti-inflamatory)----which I read online, it shouldn't be taken if there are liver problems.
They do not ever do biopsies on hemangiomas, because of the risk of bleeding and rupture. After an ultrasound, typically your doctor will have you do a CT Scan (with contrast, and hemangioma protocol) or an MRI. A CT or MRI can almost definitively identify a hemangioma since it is a mass of tangled veins vs. a cancerous mass. Biopsies are just not done on these.
Hello, i am from Greece and i have a 8 cm hemangioma. I would like to ask you why you chose surgery and not embolization ;or radiofrequency ablation. Are they more dangerous? Did you experienced any pain and you decided to remove it? Thank you very much for sharing your experience. I am very affraid of rupture, i really do not know what to do.
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I was recently diagnosed with three Haemangioma's of the liver. Two are approx 5cm in diameter & one has grown abnormally large and is 13cm diamater. They have been growing for approximately 2 years, which would explain my ill health over that period of time. I spent 2 years visiting doctors to no avail, I even had a laperoscopy in 2001, but unfortunately my GP thought my problem was a gynae one, and didn't investigate the liver. Everything came to a head about 3 months ago when I was having severe chest pains & nausea. I gave up on the National Health Service and paid for an ultra sound privately, which showed this large mass on my liver. I was then treated as an urgent case and sent to see a consultant in Leicester, who after an MRI scan, diagnosed a giant haemangioma. In the next 4-6 weeks I am having a resection of the liver, which I can honestly say Im not looking forward to, although I am certainly looking forward to being better again. The operation is very risky, but Im a woman in my early 30's, who wants to start a family in the next year, I am very lucky to have found out about this, as Haemangioma's of the liver are very difficult to detect.
My consultant said that the nausea is likened to morning sickness (not that I have ever had any children), the haemangioma is pressing your stomach in the same way a baby presses on your stomach, causing the sick feeling. I take anti sickness tablets, which kind of sort it out. I also get chest pains & back pains, they are very sharp. I also get abdominal cramps, which can sometimes last all day, they are very worrying, the only way they ease up slightly for me is if I lie down.
I also have pain and was just diagnosed with 2 giant cavernous hemangiomas. Yes, I think it's related. A family member has the same condition with the same symptoms I have. I don't think it is confirmed in any medical research, but I have seen it mentioned at many websites (pain assoc. with hemangiomas). If yours are more than 5 cm in size - you need to talk to your doctor about your options.
Greetings to all from the other end of the planet!
I am in the process of my 2nd flush (1 hour after my 2nd dose of epsom
salts), and was wondering a few things...
I get my attacks fairly consistently mid afternoon, or maybe 4pm at the
latest, and the bad ones have me feverish and in lots of pain so the only
thing for it is bed. Or, actually recently I discovered that lying on my
right side gives me some (not total) relief.
I was having an attack roughly every six months, but of late, they were
coming weekly (usually Fridays, go figure) and for a while, daily.
Enough! I said, and toodled off to the naturopath who put me on the cleanse
which I reckon she must have got from curezone.com.
That was two weeks ago, and I followed the plan to the letter, except
instead of drinking the oil at 10pm it was closer to 11 - I read somewhere
that this makes a difference, can anyone tell me why please?
Around 2am things started moving for me (Rachel, thank you for your
suggestion, as well as having the Epsom Salts in apple juice, I reduced them
from 4tbsp to 3tbsp - still disgusting, but a lot more manageable!). A
sleepless night was had by all from then on till about 5am, then the body
settled a little!
Woke up around 8am, took more Epsom Salts , and then the last dose at 10am.
Throughout the early morning, and through till about 1 or 2pm, I passed
probably around 100 or fewer green things which looked like green sunflower
seeds, and about that size too, and that's it - no yellow stuff at all.
I am wondering what will happen this time? Hopefully I will NOT have to
change the sheets at 4am again - that wasn't funny! I hope also that I will
be able to attend my son's soccer match tomorrow morning at 8am!
I was a bit concerned after reading these emails from the past two weeks
because I hadn't seen any of the yellow stones, perhaps they come this time?
I hope that my 2nd flush will be effective!
After the first flush I felt ok, no euphoria like some have reported, but
alright (apart from the fire down below). I started feeling encouraged that
perhaps I had helped my condition as I didn't have any more attacks.
Sadly, this week I have had three attacks in three days, and today the
threat of an attack, which I am curious (sort of, and frightened...) to see
what happens around that when I take the oil. That is why I have made the
choice to do the 2nd flush 12 days after the first one. These attacks are
not fun, and I don't wish them to continue!
I am wondering if like Barry, I have a "problem stone" which I will never
get out - I hope not! I will see how this flush goes.
Thank you all for being a huge source of encouragement. It had made an
enormous difference to me to read your mails - what was a big and very
frightening mystery to me two weeks ago is now something I feel that with
the knowledge and experiences you have all passed on I am well able to
tackle and get to the bottom of.
ps - I forgot to ask... it said to have a fat free breakfast and lunch
today - I had lavash (flat bread) with philadephia cream cheese (just a
little bit!) and about 1/4 of an avacado on it... I wasn't organised enough.
After this, am I wasting my time doing the flush, or does it have any effect
From: "Teresa French"
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 3:20 am
Subject: RE: [gallstones] Flush 2
Well, it is now 11am the next day, and I had my first morning dose of salts
at 10am (this was because I was worried about having to dash off somewhere
unknown during my son's soccer game)
>I ate fruit and grapefruit juice around 10. I ate a fatty meal at 11am
>(sour cream (1/4 of a liter) and bread)
>Diarrhea started after I ate.
Agnes, this comment of yours relieved me... I still have not had any
movement down below and was getting worried. It is amazing how much
difference it makes - instead of 4tsbp of Epsom Salts in 3 cups of water I
am doing 3tbsp in 3cup applejuice/water mix. This is because I had such a
powerful reaction to the ES last time!
I stayed awake last night for most of the night, but for different reasons
this time - this time I felt very nauseous and wanting to heave a couple of
times but didn't. Strange I thought, as I didn't have any problems getting
the oil down.
The Epsom Salts in apple juice is marginally better but still pretty foul!
I am going to try the colander trick Agnes... (as long as hubby doesn't spot
me!!!!) and photo anything of interest!
It's nice to be able to share this with people, hearing how others go helps
me know that what happens for me is ok and within the norm.
From: "Teresa French"
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 4:46 am
Subject: RE: [gallstones] Flush 2
thank you - it's been only 3/4 hr since my last dose of Epsom Salts and they
moved things along very quickly! within 30 minutes I was running for the
loo - and have been once since then too. Haven't seen any stones yet though.
Will see how it goes!
just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can't stop long!
Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don't know if I had any success
this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on Friday
night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain that
went away)... that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain free for
a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear that perhaps
I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and perhaps I
should have left it alone - I am not interested in Epsom Salts and olive oil
for the rest of my days!
Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from flushing..
Words of encouragement welcome people!!!
Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something
that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can.
I would like to help you to understand that flushing just starts the
cleansing process of getting the gallbladder and live back to a healthy
condition. It is much the same as trying to clean up an oil spill it just
isn't all gotten with one quick swipe of a rag.
I was told by my doctor in February of 99 to have my gallbladder removed
within the next two weeks after an MRI showed it to be thickened, therefore
diseased, and having "A" stone. He stated to me, and my wife, that my
gallbladder probably hadn't been working well for the last ten years. I
didn't like the idea of losing something with which I had started my life
and so because of that started my research on the gallbladder and
alternatives to having it cut out. I started flushing after doing some
preliminary work of detoxing and changing my diet from a high fat to a much
reduced intake of fat. Of course at the time I really didn't understand the
differences in fats and my misunderstanding led to some other problems
later, after I was now stone free, and had a gallbladder that looked as
normal as anyother gallbladder would in an ultrasound.
I too thought that after having done my first flush I was totally stone free
and that I could eat a nice meal at a resturant without having to worry
about the attacks again. Little did I know at that time that it was going to
be some months before that would be a reality, and after a lot of attacks
that would occur when I would fall off the wagon, so to speak. Even though I
now can eat pretty much with impunity, I still will get warning notes of
discomfort if I eat things that are too fatty with hydrogenated fat or
animal fat, which is a saturated fat. But, I still have my gallbladder and
it appears from my movements that it's working just fine.
Flushing is something that the body would normally do without you even being
concerned with the process if you happened to be eating the right
combinations of foods, along with exercise, and didn't have some genetic
predisposition to a particular disaease. So, I can certainly appreciate just
how you feel about being locked into doing something so distastefull as
taking Epsom Salts , and then a concoction of extra virgin olive oil and a
fresh squeezed fruit juice.
The important thing to remember is the fact that stones didn't occur without
the body haveing something out of balance. So, sometimes it just takes more
time to get back the balance it needs to function correctly, or at least at
a good stubble. Flushing isn't a silver bullet to good health that one shot
does it. Shoot, even if you take an antibiotic you have to take it
religiously to hopefully kill a bacteria infection, and if it happens to be
a wound it may be necessary to clean that wound daily while the healing
process is taking place.
Needless to say, but disease leads to dis-ease and that is from which we're
all trying to get away.
I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and perhaps I
should have left it alone - I am not interested in Epsom Salts and olive oil
for the rest of my days!
Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from flushing..
Words of encouragement welcome people!!!
This is a great testimony. I was wondering something about your
story. If you've been flushing for 3 years, have cleaned up your diet
and are watching everything 'going in' so well, and you have a clean
ultrasound now, why do you feel you are still having discomfort?
Do you think your bile within your gb is still producing stones that
need to be cleanses out?
Do you think sludge is building up causing the discomfort?
I was just curious to know what you think it would take for you to be
totally discomfort free. Besides 'baksliding' every now and then, do
you think you will have to watch you diet and fragile gallbladder for
the rest of your life or do you think it has an end soon?
Good luck with your search for pain-free life.
Speaking of hydrogenated fats, I have a problem ..........now I have tried to find an alternative for them at Wholefoods, a few different cookies, but nothing compares to an Oreo....oh oh who's that flusher with the oreo cookie....ahahahaha......Not that I eat them daily or anything but when I do have occassion to them....I eat a good dozen of them with coffee....oh you talk about naughty. Anyhow, I do miss my Oreo cookies and if I can ever find an alternative to them I will give them up because I know they do cause me trouble. To eat or not to eat, that is the question for me....and quite frankly I have given so much to my diet in my life that I would just like to once in my life splurge like normal people do.....*sigh*
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:14:20 -0500
Subject: [gallstones] Diet and stones
I found this information at Dr. Weil's site....now I did see that he says that the gallbladder flush is folk remedy that doesn't work but anyhow, I thought well there are many out there who believe this to be true....Anyhow this was also found at his site:
"If a patient can't tolerate surgery, two drugs, Actigall (ursodiol) and Chenix (chenodiol), can help dissolve gallstones, but treatment can take months. Another nonsurgical alternative, shock-wave lithotripsy, is experimental; it uses sound waves to break up the stones. There is some evidence that a very low-fat diet may prevent stone formation and also prompt stones to dissolve. If your mother is not having painful attacks, she should improve her diet and reduce fat intake to keep the stones quiet. If she is experiencing pain, removal of the gallbladder is the best bet. "
I have not read nor heard anything regarding diet change dissolving them...have you? And if this is true, why did I get them in the first place? Was it those Oreo cookies I eat about once every few months or so? I certainly in 10 years have had maybe a couple dozen fried foods a year....I mean that is how healthy I eat....hmmm....somehow this whole thing is flawed with food being the cause of them....I just don't think they have all their stones in a row on this......ooopss....my oversight........ rapid weight loss or not eating can also cause them, and I do have rapid weight loss when my lupus goes into a flare and it is not because I don't eat that is when my appetite is the largest....last time I flared I ended up 109 pounds, I was emaciated horribly. Anyhow, I guess there are somethings we all have to look at in pursuit of health but quite frankly my dear, I don't give a stone if I have to give up fatty foods but please don't take my Oreo cookie. roflol
From: "Dale Williams"
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:51:54 -0700
Subject: Re: [gallstones] Diet and stones
I found this information at Dr. Weil's site....now I did see that he says
that the gallbladder flush is folk remedy that doesn't work but anyhow, I
thought well there are many out there who believe this to be true....Anyhow
this was also found at his site:
This is just exactly why I lost all respect for this man's opinons, and
quite reading anything he had to say even if he is correct. He made this
statement with out any supportive documentation for that statement. If he
would do it with something so critical as gallbladder health he'll do it
Sorry,, But I just do not find a good reason to repect this man even though
a friend of mine consideres him her friend.
Regarding the disolving of stones we know that some will develop for various
reasons and then disappear in time. Take for example what happens with
pregnant women. They may develope them during the time of pregnancy and then
they may disappear in a short time afterwards. Diet???? What do they crave
> I found this information at Dr. Weil's site....now I did see that he says
> that the gallbladder flush is folk remedy that doesn't work but anyhow, I
> thought well there are many out there who believe this to be true....Anyhow
> this was also found at his site:
I read Dr Weil's advice too and also hit another site from an MD who said the flush is dangerous and you can end up in ER in considerable pain.
Because of these comments I am afraid to attempt the flush even tho' I am chock full of stones and will probably have surgery in 2 weeks.
I started with pancreatitis. Now if the pancreas is involved you can really stir up some serious trouble including losing part of your stomach and intestine. It's nothing to fool around with.
My emotions say try the flush and get all the darned things out but my head says "whoa baby-this could be dangerous." I have included my email address and would deeply appreciate hearing from someone personally about their experience with the flush. I see a surgeon in a week so time is of the essence. Please contact me. Thanks, Doris
> This is just exactly why I lost all respect for this man's opinons, and
> quite reading anything he had to say even if he is correct. He made this
> statement with out any supportive documentation for that statement. If he
> would do it with something so critical as gallbladder health he'll do it
> else where.
> Sorry,, But I just do not find a good reason to respect this man even though
> a friend of mine consideres him her friend.
> Regarding the disolving of stones we know that some will develop for various
> reasons and then disappear in time. Take for example what happens with
> pregnant women. They may develope them during the time of pregnancy and then
> they may disappear in a short time afterwards. Diet???? What do they crave
> while pregnant??
I had a successful first flush, but a few days after my
2nd flush, my basal temps rose for about 5 days, and I
thought I was going to get sick. But a few days after
that, my back really flared up. Neck pain and back pain
in several spots. Not sure it's related, but it seems
awfully coincidental. It seems flushing is pretty hard
on the body (at least for me it is), and I worry it'll
flare up other existing problems, or bring on some new,
not-yet-diagnosed problem. Also, my back trouble is at
certain points on my spine, and knowing about Traditional
Chinese Medicine, I wonder what it may mean. I had my
neck MRId, and they found 2 buldging discs at C5/C6 and
C6/C7. But I also have trouble at 2 other spots on my
spine. One about arm pit level and the other at or just
above waist level.
Just wondering if anyone else has had strange experiences
after a flush.
> My emotions say try the flush and get all the darned things out but my head says "whoa baby-this could be dangerous." I have included my email address and would deeply appreciate hearing from someone personally about their experience with the flush. I see a surgeon in a week so time is of the essence. Please contact me. Thanks, Doris
But a few days after ... that, my back really flared up. Neck pain and back pain ... in several spots. Not sure it’s related, but it seems ... awfully coincidental. It seems flushing is pretty hard ... on the body (at least for me it is), and I worry it’ll ... flare up other existing problems, or bring on some new, ... not-yet-diagnosed problem. ... ... ... Sherri, ... some people with serious health problems, chronic problems, go through process of revers disease. ... ... Symptoms of diseases that have been supressed in the past, symptoms supressed by medications, begin apearing. ... ... Sometimes, per ... [This message is long. Retrieve the whole message]
> It has something to do with liver and with your thyroid gland.
> C5............. Vocal cords, neck glands , pharynx.
> C6............. Neck muscles, shoulders, tonsils.
> C7............. Thyroid Gland, bursa in the shoulders, the elbows.
Very interesting! I do have thyroid disease. Actually, Grave's
Disease which is a hyperactive thyroid. I was treated with
radioactive iodine, which made me hypothyroid, so I'm
on thyroid medication for the rest of my life. Also, I had a tonisllectomy as well because of chronic tonsillitis. Seems
to correlate well. However, these both occured in 1994 and
I have developed many other subsequent health problems since
(Interstitial Cystitis, Endometriosis, chronic low-grade fever,
...). So it doesn't seem to be going in reverse order.
I had the liver tests done, because I have been on Penicillin-VK
for a year for an elevated strep titer. My titer finally came
down to normal, but the antibiotics has helped my Interstitial
Cystitis pain tremendously. I'm symptom free until I try to
quit. My doctor recently switched me to Augmentin for a period,
and I've been on it 10 days, but I'd like to quit. I know it's
not good for me. It helped my rashes/itching by 75%, and my
bladder by 100%. But the medication just seems to be covering
up symptoms only, at least for IC anyways. Also, during this
time, I've developed buzzing/vibration in my hands, legs and
trunk. Also some low-level noises in left ear. I don't
know if it's the drugs, or just coincidence, but these symptoms
do worry me alot.
> Ange said ...
> > It has something to do with liver and with your thyroid gland.
> > C5............. Vocal cords, neck glands , pharynx.
> > C6............. Neck muscles, shoulders, tonsils.
> > C7............. Thyroid Gland, bursa in the shoulders, the elbows.
> Very interesting! I do have thyroid disease. Actually, Grave's
> Disease which is a hyperactive thyroid. I was treated with
> radioactive iodine, which made me hypothyroid, so I'm
> on thyroid medication for the rest of my life. Also, I had a tonisllectomy as well because of chronic tonsillitis. Seems
> to correlate well. However, these both occured in 1994 and
> I have developed many other subsequent health problems since
> (Interstitial Cystitis, Endometriosis, chronic low-grade fever,
> ...). So it doesn't seem to be going in reverse order.
I have only done two flushes. My Gallstones never showed up on ultrasound, but I've had gallbladder/liver pain nonetheless. I cleaned out 150 stones the first time, and felt significantly increased discomfort for the next 3 days. Then I improved quite a bit. It seems like I feel my best right before the cleanse. (Probably because I'm eating no fat!) I just did my second cleanse last week, and only got out about 40 stones (gravel sized) I never really have "attacks" where there's a noticeable start and finish to my discomfort. It's just an awareness of my gallbladder or liver, and a tight, pinching feeling under my ribs. Anyhow, after my second flush, I felt about the same for a couple of days. Not worse, and not better. But now I have had a couple more days of a flare-up. I can't help but think that I'm helping my health by doing these cleanses. I would just like to have a day or two with absolutely no sensation in my upper right abdomen. Since it always seems to be there in some degree or another, I sometimes wonder if stones are the real problem, or if something else is going on.
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Yes me The last time I did my flush I felt like a truck hit me on my right rib cage...I was so sore! However I know that I felt way better in a week than I had felt so I can tolerate. It is very interesting how things relate...The points that effect me mostly when I flush is the point right above the last cervical, the liver spot near the floating rib...sorry I do not know the points by name....I tend to see the same stuff each time.
I hope this helps you to understand my situation a little bit better.
I have not only had Gallstones but also have a situation from a past disease
that is much too often a death sentence for those who have it. I have been
diagnosed as having had Hepatitis C or what was known as Serum Hepatitis and
Hepatitis A. I got Hepatitis C around 1968 but recovered from that,
somewhat. These showed up when I had my last blood tests done in November of
'99' after the liver attack I had because of having avoiding all fats,
including those that are considered as necessary as Essential Fatty Acids,
while attempting to rid my gallbladder of the stone that the doctors had
said I had.
The problem I'm up against is keeping my liver in the best condition I can
by eating the least amounts of saturated and hydrogenated fats that I can
and then too moderating just how many beverages with an alcohol content are
consumed. I'm very sensitive to my liver's condition and therefore tend to
feel it more than I would care to 'really' know it's there. I'd like it to
be working more in stealth like most all organs should normally work but
just plain eating tends to bring is to life and notability.
So, it's because of the Hepatitis C and A that I have the discomfort but not
what I can call pain. It really is just an annoyance more than anything
else. My last ultrasound also showed my liver looked healthy too but did
have enlarged bile ducts. I believe this is because of the flushes having
caused some stretching of them for a time period. I don't know how things
look today as I've not had any reason to go to the doctor or the hospital
for the last two and a half years. I thank Dr. Sandra Cabot for having
provided me the right information so that I could have some idea as to what
to do to take good care of my liver and therefore my general health.
I still do flushes. In fact I just did one yesterday. However, I do a flush
that I've developed to work along with the colonics I get, when I get the
time to go get them. It really is quite easy and quick compared to all the
other methods that are being discussed on this group.
Since when I get my colonics I do the controlling of my water supply and
waste I can tend to get myself more of what are known as liver dumps than
the colonist working the controls can do for me. I noted that my first
experience with attempting this I had some of the most definitive of liver
dumps I'd had to that date and the next day I had Gallstones show in the
first movement in the morning. How do I know they were gallstones? I picked
them out and opened them up. So, since that first experiment I now try to
make sure of the time I'm to get my colonic and take around three to four
ounces of extra virgin olive oil mixed with just plain old out of the waxed
paper container, not from concentrate, grapefruit juice around two to three
hours before I'm to be hooked up.
Did I get out any stones yesterday? Yeppers.... I got to take note of some
passing in the viewing tube and then when I got home and had to go one more
time before bed there were around ten or more small cholesterol stones in
the water with some flakes. I only checked two of them to make sure they
were stones. Did any show this morning? Nope.
One thing to note about the ones I checked was that because they were not
well formed I would be of the belief that they really were more likely from
I'm new at this and I am trying to figure out what kind of treatments are available for I'm not astute in what its called however, symptoms are the abundance of white small gravel in stools for over a year that are extrodinarlily painful at times to moderate pain as theses very hard gravel scrapes through the bowel and and always especially painful on my right side. Are these Gallstones and does one use a Gallstones cleave or a liver cleanse? Any enlightenment as to essay is causing it and how to fix would be great help to me, and very appreciated. Thanks, Ze
thank you for your words... I guess it is a time will tell thing.... it's
the stress getting to me! (Which I know is a major source of my problems!)
> I would like to help you to understand that flushing just starts the
> cleansing process of getting the gallbladder and live back to a healthy
> condition. It is much the same as trying to clean up an oil spill it just
> isn't all gotten with one quick swipe of a rag.
If this is only your second flush you are still too early to see the
final results. You shouldn't be discouraged until you do at least 10
flushes. I know it sounds tough but there may be a lot of stones in
the back of the gb that are moving forward to exit. You may have many
years of gunk and toxins to clear out. Rome wasn't built on one or
two flushes. :-) Keep flushing.
Some people are lucky enough to get the sludge, sand, or colic stones
out on the first flush but most of the stories and people in the
group are having to flush many times to get clear. We all want to be
the lucky flusher but unfortunetly it is more of a lifestyle change
of good dieting and cleansing over an extended period of time.
Also, if you gb is at the stage or age of producing stones and colic
you will most likely have to maintenance cleanse twice a year for the
rest of your life. That's seems to just be the name of the game here.
Even if you get them out with flushing, 50% of the people who start
producing symptomatic colic problems from stones will reaccure within
months or years again.
I had the same results as you and even after 8 cleanses and getting
over 2,000 of those liver globs of bile balls out of my body, I still
have the 1 cm hard stone in my gb laughing at me twice a week.
Laughing at me to the point of tears!!!
You should check your progress by ultrasound to see if you still have
a hard gb stone that is causing your colic. You need to know what it
is you are going into battle against. Some people don't know, or want
to know, but I think it is important to know your progress and exact
problem. 'Know your Stone" is my moto. Know what it is, why it causes
pain for you, and when it causes pain, control it, and start to
correct it once and for all. Good luck with that.
Some people do actually open a can of worms in as far as they awake
sleeping 'silent' stones. You will have to get those out as well now
that you have woken them up. It is good to wake them and get them out
before they cause you pain later. Good luck again if that is what you
did. I personally think you didn't do that but that you are still
experiencing the problem of your original colic. Stones in the gb
trying to move out the samller cystic duct is usually the cause for
colic, not sandy stuff in the ducts. Check ultrasound is all I can
suggest to be sure what is in your gb.
Hope this helps in some way. Do at least 10 flushes and then re-
evaluate your plan of attack, if you still have one. :-)
From: barry91162 [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2002 13:17
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
I'll ask you the same question I asked Dawn. Have you had ultrasound
to determine what size and number of stones you are dealing with
inside your gallbladder?
I've had 8 cleanses, and the colic will return for me after 2-7 days
because it takes that long for the large amount of oil to process
through my body. I'm sort of lubbed for a few days and then the colic
is back to it's usual self. Having the ultrasounds (I've actually had
4 of them because I've felt so good that I thought the problem was
gone) will keep you updated on the battle that you are facing.
Good luck with your cleanses. I hope you get that 'big one' out on
My ultrasound showed very tiny stones, mostly sludge, and not much at that, yet what excruciating pain I had! The pain is caused by the body trying to pass the stones/sludge through the narrow ducts. In my case, I never did have any big stones in my gallbladder(proved by post surgery lab report), but ultrasound has been known to miss them. And since I've passed a couple thousand stones in the 8 cleanses I've done,since my GB was removed, that, IMO, proves that pain could also be caused by the liver trying to pass stones.
>I have had an ultrasound and it tells me that I have lots of "gravel" but no
>big stones. So maybe I don't have any or maybe they are hiding...
>if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I have these very
>painful attacks??? this worries and frustrates me....
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:45:37 EST
Subject: Re: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
In a message dated 4/5/02 11:14:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> My ultrasound showed very tiny stones, mostly sludge, and not much at that,
> yet what excruciating pain I had! The pain is caused by the body trying to
> pass the stones/sludge through the narrow ducts. In my case, I never did
> have any big stones in my gallbladder(proved by post surgery lab report),
> but ultrasound has been known to miss them. And since I've passed a couple
> thousand stones in the 8 cleanses I've done,since my GB was removed, that,
> IMO, proves that pain could also be caused by the liver trying to pass
This is interesting, Adrienne. I guess that's sort of what I was theorizing
about (but you phrased it so much better!). So a large amount of sludge
could cause similar problems as a big stone. It does make sense - I mean,
why should the gallbladder have the corner on pain in passing stones?
Gheez, when I think about how overworked and under cared-for our livers
generally are, it's no wonder that people end up in liver failure so often.
I'm just thankful that I discovered some of this stuff at a relatively young
"Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal."
Sure, gravel can build up on the walls of the gallblader, clog the
opening to the cystic duct, clog up the common duct itself as it
clings to the sides of the ducts and cause a colic attack. The small
stuff seems to create colic even more than a large stone. The large
stone will sometimes be too big to even block the mouth of the
gallblader and the bile will still flow past without obstruction.
Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something
that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can.
On the subject of gravel I want to say that today I used the Epsom Salts without the oil and I had tons of gravel spill out of me...and some that looked like stones....now I did not use any olive oil at all......any take on this?
There can be many reasons for this depending on many factors.
Those stones, gravel, sludge can come from your ducts relaxing from
the ES intake and cleaning out the excess from your last cleanse.
When was your last flush? I've found that for up to normally one
week, and even two weeks, that my body will continue to mini-flush as
I eat fats and as the oil finishes coursing through my system. This
is why a lot of mini-flushes happen when you are doing regular
flushing. Gravel can be in your gb, ducts, intestine, colon area and
may still be traveling out. Without the oil, you are missing the
contraction effect but with the ES you are getting a 'relaxing'
effect on many areas in your body.
As far as stones, that would depend on if they are hard marble formed
stones or if they are blobs of softer bile balls. Those blobs of bile
balls will normally travel out of your body with stool but an
excellerated effect could cause them to ball. Did you break one
open? You normally won't see that form of bile in your stool but an
intake of ES or mini-flush will eliminate them faster for better
viewing. If they were hard stones, congratulations on doing a flush
without oil. haha Or, they could have been hanging around from the
last cleanse. It would be great to contract the gb and get a full
flush without oil but it is a wishful thought only. :-)
No I didn't take particular interest in it all as we had lots going on around here today but had it not been so busy I would have investigated further about the stones....now it has been sometime before my last flush....I think it has been 3 weeks.....I was feeling really good this week until Friday when I had a cup of French Vanilla Cappuccino and then I felt awful all week-end that is why I started the ES today with the apple juice...I have drank a quart of apple juice today with a pear and I started to eat some pasta but it was mushy so I tossed it out. I am going to do a flush in a few days and see what happens but i want to wait until after that CT Scan if I decide to acquiesce with the doc's wishes.
Maybe you created sort of a mini-flush contraction within your gb by
drinking the cap and that tighening feeling was the sludge and stones
passing down to your intestines. Then, the juice and ES would relax
the ducts, intestines, and colon and the whole blasted mess came out
for you to see. Sounds good no matter how it came out, right?
Congratulations!!! Hope it helps to make you feel better.
But Barry, don't you think that the sandy stuff can be quite irritating on the delicate tissues inside? I know that when I have passed that amount of sandy stuff and I see it and think, "oh my word, no wonder my innards hurt so sorely". But you are right about the pain being different than a gallstone, I could imagine because I do believe I have passed them over the last 10 years and it feels like a knife so bad you lose your breath and then you wince and moan and soon after about 5 minutes it goes away.....oh I had that happen many times to me over the years and I bet it was from small stones moving out. Anyhow, I can't imagine having the kind of colic pain you describe from the one that laughs in your face, shame on it, anyhow, ROFLOL...your a nut! Have you tried accupressure?
Oh speaking of which, someone on the list before I went on digest a while back had mentioned ear flushing and wanted to know if it had to do with gallbladder....I found in my accupressure books that indeed that the two are related...I wish I had wrote myself a note where exactly I found it so I could post it to the list...I will keep my eyes peeled for it at best.
Ear flushing? I don't mind having my head down sideways in the toilet
but all those stones coming out my ears sounds pretty nasty. haha
I wish I had only sand and small stones causing colic on the way out.
Unfortunetly my gallstone is hard and over twice the size of my
cystic duct. Dieting hasn't decreased the size. 8 flushes over 4
months hasn't helped it either. I'll look into the ear flush before
Our parts are so wondrously connected....
My sister attended her first Tai Chi Dong class and did the part that treats sinuses. Her sinuses began to drain, and she was
unaware of any sinus "problem'"in herself.
Sometimes stones do not always show up on ultrasound. Another one
would be helpful in the near future just to make sure they didn't
miss one (or more) on the first scan. If you do a few flushes and
still have colic, that is when I'd check it again.
Also, the smaller ones (and gravel) could cause colic just as well.
The smaller gravel could be blocking your cystic duct or common duct.
One good thing is that the gravel is a lot easy to clean out in one
or a few flushes and hopefully your colic will stop. Bigger stones
that can't fit through the mouth of the gb are sometimes harder to
exit. Example; I've done 8 flushes and still have a 1 cm stone that
causes colic attacks. But like I said, you may not have something
like that and hopefully the flush will clean you out faster.
Please keep us posted on your progess.
--- In gallstones@y..., "Teresa French" wrote:
> I have had an ultrasound and it tells me that I have lots
of "gravel" but no
> big stones. So maybe I don't have any or maybe they are hiding...
> if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I have
> painful attacks??? this worries and frustrates me....
> still no stones, or any of the green things I saw in the first
> they were all in the big mess I passed first up an hour or so
> going looking to check that one!
> I can nearly eat!!! Off to have some juice now
I do get the feeling that a lot of the "stones" are passed during normal operations. I can't believe that withouth cleanses all these stones would accumulate in the liver. Perhaps the only cleansing required is when stones get "stuck" in the liver. Just an opinion.
I was wondering if the liver cleanse would still be effective if you put the Epsom Salt in apple juice or something besides water. I'm worried about the taste of the Epsom Salts . I am preparing to do the liver cleanse today, so I guess I will just experiment and see what happens. I have done a lot of reading in the last week and feel that this is what needs to be done to help me have more energy and not have unexplained aches and pains. I will post the results after I see what happens.
Thank you so much for this site.....I'm in my 5th flush and still passing stones and sand..... I feel sooo much better.....I've been suffering for 2 1/2 yrs. and this site and the wonderful people on it have saved my life.
> Does anyone have advice for softening the harder calcified stones?
The best way of dissoliving stones is complete change in diet and lifestyle.
It was diet and lifestyle that caused Gallstones formation.
Higher frequency of Liver Flushes will also speed-up this process
Next remedies can speed-up "melting" process:
- freshly pressed radish juice is considered the most potent remedy for melting calc-stones.
- freshly pressed carrot juice is also good
- freshly pressed apple juice is also good
(not pressed longer then 6 hours before use)
Then, all herbs that have Cholagogue efect (stimulate bile flow ) will also speed up this proces.
You have to have HIGH bile flow to quickly melt stones.
quickly = can mean weeks or months or sometime years, depend on person.
Then, also coffe nema will speed up this proces. coffee enema (stimulates bile flow ) : coffee enema (stimulates bile flow )
But, it is still a proces !!!!
You can't do it in 3 days.
There are also many other herbs used for melting stones.
But, if you don't eliminate the main causative agents of Gallstones formation, then what is the point in using remedies ?
We are gain back to diet and lifestyle.
Hi I have just had a CT ( Cat Scan ) It shows two
gallbladder stones ( 3cm and 2cm or 1.18-inches; .78-inches respectively)
" Is it the Liver cleanse that removs the stones?
I can't seem to make contact with the Schultz office.
If you've used the liver cleanse for gallstone removal
how successful was it?
Yep, the two names indicate the same flush. If you flush from the gall bladder (which goes first), stones then have a chance to migrate down from the liver. It's all the same work, but in different phases. It can take 10-20 flushes with a supportive diet and lifestyle to get to the last ones in the liver. You have more than two in the GB ... probably hundreds of smaller ones that are in a congealed mass.
Go heavy on preparation (malic acid, etc.) and the flush will get you some results. Not necessarily the largest stones first though. You need to do some dissolving of the cholesterol bonds with the malic acid over time.
I've done my first flush today, and apart from the fact that I can't
stop using the loo, everything seems OK. I lost hundreds and
hundreds of 'stones', about 50 measureable ones. The worst part was
the Epsom Salts - the effect after the first two doses. It was
really quite disturbing. I had indigestion, mildly for most of the
night, but I believe I have a peptic ulcer starting as well, (under
investigation), so my poor little 'stom' doesn't like to be without
food for too long. I wasn't hungry at all, but did get very
thirsty. I was afraid to drink even water, in case it upset the
programme. Should I be able to have a drink? It may have been
partly nerves, as I was so afraid it wouldn't work. I was absolutely delighted to see all those little green 'stones'.
I will be showing them to my Doctor this pm, it will be interesting
to see his reaction, as up to now, the only viable option I have been given is surgery.
It's been a couple of weeks since I visited this formum, and low and behold, I came across this message. The reason it's been a couple of weeks is that I am feeling GREAT for the first time in a long time. I did my first four flushes one week apart. I was having a lot of anxiety about the constant discomfort on my right side. Like yourself, it was almost always there. Or if I couldn't feel it, all I needed to do was stretch my body this way or that, or lay down in a certain position, and there it was again. It didn't seem to correspond with fatty foods, and I never had any real attacks.
The closest I ever came to an attack was the night of my 3rd flush. I was sitting on the couch before bed (after having taken my first 2 doses of Epsom Salts ) and I had an incredible cramping in my right side. It lasted for about 15 minutes or so, and it seemed better when I changed positions. Of course, I was thinking, "Oh great, something massive is going wrong with my body.
What have I done by starting these cleanses?
Am I doing them too close together?
Will I end up in the emergency room tonight?
Will I ever feel better?"
The next day, I passed my largest stones yet. One was about the size of a quarter, the rest were large marble sized. I felt much better the next day, although the swollen sensation was not completely gone. It was, however, much less noticeable, and continued to be that way.
(It took 3 cleanses to get to that point, but for others, perhaps it will take more.) After my 4th cleanse, I felt fantastic.
I finally waited two weeks between my 4th and 5th cleanse, because after the fourth, I felt so good, and was much more at ease.
I didn't do my first 4 so close together because I was in gut-wrenching pain or anything. I did it because I was concerned about my health, and I wanted to get to the end of all my stones so I could confirm or deny that stones were indeed the problem.
Like yourself, I was extremely suspicious that I didn't fit the description for someone who had gallstones. I was afraid that there was something seriously wrong. In my mind, the only way to be sure was to follow the cleansing to its conclusion and then decide at that point.
Honestly, I didn't believe that I would ever be free of that tightness and swelling. By the time I began my 4th flush, I was despairing. Of course, I'm not a doctor, and I can't tell you if you are in the same boat as me. But your story sounds exactly like mine. From one person who doesn't fit the classic sterotype of a gallbladder attack victim to another, be encouraged!
Perhaps relief is just a couple more flushes away! I started my fifth flush last night, and so far, I've only had a bunch of chaff, and a few of my tiniest stones yet.
Since my pain is gone, I'm thinking I may be at the end of my cleanses. Perhaps I'm almost completely clean. If so, I would be surprised, after hearing of these people who have gotten rid of thousands of stones. But each person is different!
I believe that I have a congested liver. I don't have a gall bladder because it was removed nine years ago. This liver deal is new for me or perhaps I've had it for a long time not realizing my problem.
Can someone explain to me what a flush is; and what do I have to eat to flush my liver.
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I have several giant (11 cm) liver hemangiomas. These are benign lesions made up of blood vessels. My Doctors tell me that my liver is functioning normally and that I should just leave these hemangiomas alone. I also have gallstone, observed during ultrasound. I have been either pregnant or nursing my two children for almost 5 years, during which time the hemangiomas grew from 3 cm to 11 cm. I would like to do the liver cleanse, but I am concerned that it may cause problems with my liver, considering I have these giant vascular things there. Might the cleanse harm me more, given my condition? I don't want to irritate my liver and cause any harm. I am concerned that the stones may get 'stuck' because of these hemangiomas. Do you have any information for me? Please help!!
You didn't say if these hemangiomas are attached outside the liver or inside. I'm not an expert, but logic tells me that stones in your liver would not be any more "stuck" during a liver cleanse then they would be before the cleanse. I had a hemangioma on my leg. It was very self-contained. Don't know if all hemangiomas are like that. If your liver if functioning normally, then that's a good sign, IMO, that the hemangiomas are not interfering with bile secretion. The liver stones are softer, and smooth, and therefore, should pass easily. But, I would ask your doctor. Tell him you'd like to try the cleanse, and ask him if the hemangiomas could be affected by it. Most likely he's never heard of a liver cleanse, but he could at least tell you if these hemangiomas are obstructing the bile ducts in any way. Also, if you think about it, if you were in danger of rupturing these hemangiomas, wouldn't the doctor have warned you to be careful of physical activity? I'm just throwing ideas out, but can't really advise you.
Thank you both, Agnes and Adrienne. It really helps to be able to discuss these issues with someone, and hear other points of view. I have mentioned the Liver Flush to my Drs. and they aren't aware of it. I have multiple hemangiomas, some are within the liver, and some are attached to the outside. I don't know if they are obstructing the bile ducts in any way. If they are, could that cause problems for me? I want to do the flush, but I am hesitating because I don't wish to do anything to potentially hurt my health. I don't have any liver or gallbladder pain, or any real physical ailment, I just wanted to try the flush to improve my health generally. I am wondering what the risk is, given the fact that I have these giant hemangiomas. Yes, I am told that they can be ruptured, but not very easily - usually by some great trauma - skiing into a tree or something. Thanks again for all of your help, and being here...
> Thank you both, Agnes and Adrienne. It really helps to be able to discuss these issues with someone, and hear other points of view. I have mentioned the Liver Flush to my Drs. and they aren't aware of it. I have multiple hemangiomas, some are within the liver, and some are attached to the outside. I don't know if they are obstructing the bile ducts in any way. If they are, could that cause problems for me?
There should be no problems.
as I told you, test yourseelf.
Be your own doctor.
The 1st day take 2 tbsp of olive oil.
The 2nd day take 3 tbsp of olive oil.
The 3rd day take 4 tbsp of olive oil.
Keep on 4 tbsp for few days, ....
You will not have problems.
Oil should be Organic Virgine Olive oil.
If you can tolerate 4 tbsp, test yourself on 8 tbsp.
If you can tolerate 8 tbsp, test yourself on 16 tbsp.
If you can tolerate 16 tbsp, test yourself on 32 tbsp.
If you can tolerate 32 tbsp, test yourself on 64 tbsp.
BUT, remember to start with 2 tbsp.
That is all.
Are you affreaid of eating 2 tbsp of olive oil a day?
Does anyone know? I have had gallbadder surgery. Should I still clean my Liver? Will my liver make stones still? Wow. I guess I should of asked these questions before surgery but I didn't. I will ask my doctor too but wanted to ask you too. jo
> I have several giant (11 cm) liver hemangiomas. These are benign lesions made up of blood vessels. My Doctors tell me that my liver is functioning normally and that I should just leave these hemangiomas alone. I also have gallstone, observed during ultrasound
you can try smal flush (with few tbsp of olive oil) and then increase gradually (every week one flush) until you feel comfortable to do full flush.
Can you tolerate 4 tbsp of olive oil daily?
Can you tolerate 4 tbsp of grapefruit juice daily?
Can you tolerate one tbsp of Epsom Salts daily?
If yes, then take it every day , and do small flush (double or tripple daily amount) every 7 days until you feel OK to do big one.
I have been reading back through these posts and wondered if you ever did any liver flushes? I have been diagnosed with two hemangiomas. One is 7.5 and the other is 4.5cm. I really want to do the Doc Sutter program with the Barefoot's dewormer. It involves taking the dewormer for two weeks, Liver Flush and continue this process.
I share your concern about something happening to the hemangiomas during a flush. I did two flushes before I realized I had them, so maybe it is okay. Just uncertain and would love to hear any of your experience if you went ahead and flushed.
I read somewhere by internet that there is an herb from Peru (I believe, and think it was called something like maya) which is being used with great success in lieu of the regular liver cleanse with olive oil and lemon juice. Can you tell me what it is? I would like a copy of the article also so I can reread it in full. Thank you
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I think you mean Manayupa. That's a great herb from Peru for cleansing.
But for dissolving calcified stones in the kidney or gallbadder Chanca piedra (Portuguese) or Quebra pedra (Spanish) is the first choice. That herb is well known in Brasil and to my knowledge not so in Peru.
Just wondering if it is necessary/helpful to do an enema prior to the liver cleanse? If so, what are the benefits to this. I read several e-mails that mentioned an enema and wondered if that area of the body needs cleansing in order to pass everything more smoothly.
I am attempting my second cleanse (beging tomorrow). My first one was a great success (about 3 weeks ago), although the benefits from it (i.e., energy increase, relief from constipation and bloating) seem to have "worn off". This is part of the reason I am attempting a second cleanse. I passed many (did not take time to count) stones the first time. I have not had prior gall bladder trouble, as far as "attacks" are concerned. My goal in doing the cleanse was to get relief from seemingly chronic abdominal bloating and frequent constipation.
Any education you all could give will be greatly appreciated.
I think that after a cleanse what you would want to do to keep the energy would be to stay away from the junky kinds of food (like Sugar and fatty fried stuff) I think a cleanse every 3 months should be a norm though. I just did a cleanse and I did not do the enema and I did get around 30 stones out so far. I also did a light cleanse about 3weeks ago and didn't really pay any attention to if there were any stones at all, ,I did not do an enema then either.
I use an enema regularly before the flush to insure any waste that resides will be evacuated. It frees up the system. Metaphorically, I would compare it to sorting dross and waste in a landfill. It's harder to search for trash at the bottom when the top layer still remains;therfore, cleaning the first things are needed to reach the last section. Similarly but in direct contrast, the enema clears the bottom layer and then proceeds to the top i.e. the oldest to the most current material. You can't get to the last phase without going through a prior one. Getting the Liver Flush to perform sucessfully or optimally recquires a clear system, free from any burdens, ready to easily get the stones out and comfortably. And also, extra waste in the body only keeps and spreads toxins into the body.
This is my very first time posting, but I have been reading this site for years and doing Liver Flushes for at least 4 years. They helped me tremendously! Just did my first in a long while tonight along with some rather intensive colon cleansing (I use a bucket enema repeatedly with some ACV, Apple Cider Vinegar in some of the flushes).
It is true that toxins get stirred up around your body when you are doing a flush--that's why it can be a bit difficult to sleep. Be sure to take 8 capsules of ornithine 500mg each as Hulda Clark e prescribes! This makes a huge difference! But, I find it also really helps to flush a couple of hours AFTER I do the olive oil. I don't go right to sleep as I'm a night owl (unfortunately). If you are able to go to sleep, that is best. But if you wake during the night with discomfort, a couple of enema flushes will give relief.
As for cleaning your colon, you should do that regularly. If you are particularly toxic (full of....) then you should do this beforehand as the previous poster points out. But generally I do not do Colon Cleanses (ie, bucket enemas) before my Liver Flush, since I am already quite cleaned out. Hope that helps!
do not use the apple juice if you have candida. I did (mistake!)
Apple juice is used to help the bile move. It was very good at that. I moved
a lot of liquid yellow stuff. But my candida went way out of control. (I got
dizzy and extremely confused among other things) I really did not still think
I had a problem with it.
I did my first flush in October and I am still fighting with candida.
I am now using a herb (a bard of a tree actually) called Taheebo (or pau 'd arco)
to control my candida. I am thinking much more clearly now. It has many uses.
I will list a few of them: kills fungus and many other pathogens including parasites,
relieves pain, detoxes liver and blood, helps bile to move, strengthens the liver and
all other organs. I think it works for lots of things because it imparts oxygen into
the water. It is hard to find a good source of the bark. I purchase mine at http://pau-d-arco.com/ It can also be purchased at http://sensiblehealth.com/ The
first site is a wealth of information about taheebo and includes specific instructions
for making the tea. It is very important that the tea is made properly and
purchased from a reputable source. I made my tea incorrectly for a while and it
was not as effective. I am good at making mistakes.
I have many, many food allergies. I only can eat beef, lamb, buffalo, green beans
broccoli,and unrefined Sea Salt , but am able to tolerate the tea, but at a reduced
strength. At full strength, I was so very tired. (this is a detox symptom) The
site also says it is ok to sweeten the tea tea. I did this as well - anther big mistake.
I did beat myself up about all the mistakes I made with my health, but I'm
learning along the way. I don't used any sweetener now. I think it tastes fine
without it. It is great with maple syrup for those of you without candida,
hypoglycemia or diabetes. I have been incresing the strength of the tea every
week or two since november 2001 and plan to try another flush after I get up to
the recomended dose. This should be in about 2 months. I was hoping be at this
dose by this spring since the gallbladder flushes are supposed to be more effective
in the spring, but oh well!
If anyone is interested in more details about the taheebo tea or my experiences with it
Mary, what is your blood type, and have you tried eating foods for your blood type?
> Gallbladder flush and candida
> Apple juice
> do not use the apple juice if you have candida. I did (mistake!)
> Apple juice is used to help the bile move. It was very good at that. I moved
> a lot of liquid yellow stuff. But my candida went way out of control. (I got
> dizzy and extremely confused among other things) I really did not still think
> I had a problem with it.
> I did my first flush in October and I am still fighting with candida.
> I am now using a herb (a bard of a tree actually) called Taheebo (or pau 'd arco)
> to control my candida. I am thinking much more clearly now. It has many uses.
> I will list a few of them: kills fungus and many other pathogens including parasites,
> relieves pain, detoxes liver and blood, helps bile to move, strengthens the liver and
> all other organs. I think it works for lots of things because it imparts oxygen into
> the water. It is hard to find a good source of the bark. I purchase mine at
> http://pau-d-arco.com/ It can also be purchased at http://sensiblehealth.com/ The
> first site is a wealth of information about taheebo and includes specific instructions
> for making the tea. It is very important that the tea is made properly and
> purchased from a reputable source. I made my tea incorrectly for a while and it
> was not as effective. I am good at making mistakes.
> I have many, many food allergies. I only can eat beef, lamb, buffalo, green beans
> broccoli,and unrefined Sea Salt , but am able to tolerate the tea, but at a reduced
> strength. At full strength, I was so very tired. (this is a detox symptom) The
> site also says it is ok to sweeten the tea tea. I did this as well - anther big mistake.
> I did beat myself up about all the mistakes I made with my health, but I'm
> learning along the way. I don't used any sweetener now. I think it tastes fine
> without it. It is great with maple syrup for those of you without candida,
> hypoglycemia or diabetes. I have been incresing the strength of the tea every
> week or two since november 2001 and plan to try another flush after I get up to
> the recomended dose. This should be in about 2 months. I was hoping be at this
> dose by this spring since the gallbladder flushes are supposed to be more effective
> in the spring, but oh well!
> If anyone is interested in more details about the taheebo tea or my experiences with it
> just ask.
Thanxs for the info on Taheebo, I have Candida and want to give it a try, could you tell ne the recommended daily dose (cups), I have brewed the taheebo - 1 teaspoon to 4 cups, and have used the method outlined on the site - www.pau-d-arco.com. Your information would be appreciated! thanxs.
hey there mary,
i had severe problems with candida, and after going through all of the usual candida diets (herbal remedies, elimination of dairy, fermented products, yeast, etc) and then onto even the most severe (only green things, absolutely no fruit, even tomato, etc), the only diet that actually worked for me was the raw diet. after only one week of eating only raw foods, the itchy rash on my face disapeared, the red peeling under my eyes faded, my acne cleared up significantly (reduced in size and color, not in number- needed to flush my liver in order to actually begin to really get rid of acne), my overall disposition and energy improved dramatically. i do not think it is necessary to stay on this diet forever, but it wasnt hard at all (i could eat as much fruit as i wanted!) and worked so nicely with the liver flushes! almost everyday i naturally pass small amounts of "chaff" and small stones, and then while flushing i pass many, many more. im still on it, because i havent completely eliminated my acne (among other things), and plan to remain on it until i flush and get no more stones. feel free to ask any questions you like!
> Help! I have done two liver cleanses ( Epsom Salts /olive oil & grapefruit method).
Both times have lead to pancreatitis.
The first time hundreds of tan coloured "stones" were flushed out.
The second time less stones emerged - but green "stones" appeared.
I have experienced food allergies for the last 3 years.
Over the last decade I have had two acute attacks of pancreatitis -
taken to hospital on a blue light - pethadine got rid of the pain.
For the last two years I have experienced upper back pain in the early
hours of the morning. That same pain is personified 24 hours after the
flush, and for two weeks after the first flush (I have just completed
the second flush and the same pattern seems to be emerging).
Has anyone else experienced similar problems?
Hi Felicity. I just found your post about gallbladder flush and pancreatitis. I think I am having the same problem. I
haven't gone to doctor to get a diagnosis yet but I am pretty sure it is pancreatitis. I have done several flushes before
over the last 5-6 years and never had a problem. However I did one about a week ago and felt great for 2 days and
then started to develop a dull ache in my mid to left abdomen just under ribcage. At first I thought it might be a
pulled muscle or something but then over the next few days it continued to get worse and was obviously organ pain.
The pain radiates to my back. It is also painful to take a deep breath. I have done 4 flushes in the past 7 days to try to unlodge any stones that might
have gotten stuck. It has been unsuccesful. The pain is still there. I have not ate any solid food in the past week
to try to give my pancreas time to heal. It does seem to have gotten slightly better over the past 24hrs but the pain
is still pretty bad. I am extremely stubborn and refuse to go to the doctors unless I am half dead. Does this sound
like the pain you experienced when you had pancreatitits? If so, how long did it last? I am just praying that this
will subside on its own without any serious effects. I know that if I can make it through this that I need to do more c
cleanses but I am afraid of this happening again. I have read some articles about pancreatitis and they say it is
usually caused by a lodged gallstone. Do you have any advise for me?
Don't eat foods because they stimulate pancreatic juice secretion which could aggrevate the pancreatitis.
The only cure for pancreatitis I know is the juice of barley grass.
Dr. Yoshihide Hagiwara writes in his book that this has been confirmed by a study in a hospital in Japan.
From: Jay Townsend
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:22:33 EDT
Subject: [gallstones] Good Flush, but Healing Crisis
Just completed flush #16, begun on Sunday. Did the Clark style, but
substituted the Lewis ingredients (a pint of oil with lemon juice) as I did
with #15 that I reported earlier. Am reporting because of the results.
Evicted about 450 to 500 gallstones. About 30 were the size of grapes (very
large) plus one jumbo that was about an inch long by ¾ of an inch wide. All
of these were dark green, almost black. In my previous 15 flushes, have
never passed stones of this size. These large ones were not calcified, but
they were not soft as most of the other stones were. Then there were about
100 pea-sized stones, and the remainder were smaller ones. Have never had
this quantity of stones in one flush before.
This flush was after #12 through #14 failed to produce much of anything. All
the first 14 flushes religiously followed the Clark regimen. Then, when I
felt there was yet more to evict, I changed to the Lewis method, or a portion
of it. (No food or drink after 2:00, Epsom Salts at 6 and 8, then ¼ cup of
olive oil with a tablespoon or two of fresh squeezed lemon juice every 15
minutes until a pint is consumed.) As previously reported, #15 produced
large quantities of waxy globs with a corresponding weight loss of about 6#.
This time, there was no waxy material, just loads and loads of stones, and no
corresponding weight loss. Stones were passed throughout the day yesterday,
tapering off in the afternoon and stopping last night.
As I previously reported, ingesting the olive oil and lemon juice during #15
was easy for me to do. Not for #16. From my first ¼ cup with the lemon
juice I felt somewhat nauseous. I made it through the full pint of olive
oil, but never wanted to see another drop - ever! After drinking this, I
simply didn't feel well. I adjusted the times so that I could finish the oil
by 10:00 PM, and by that time I was ready for bed. Was uncomfortable but got
to sleep, then woke up at midnight with horrendous chills and shivering.
Turned up the heat, put on heavy sweat suit and socks, went back to bed, and
my feet were freezing as I shivered. Checked my temp, and it was normal.
Finally, when the heat got up good and high, stopped shivering and got to
sleep. Woke at 3:00 AM burning up. Turned down heat, checked temp - it was
101.5! I haven't had flu in several years, have had my flu shots each
autumn. Could think of nothing else that's going around. Took some aspirin
(the bark of birch trees to the ancients who chewed it for headaches, that
Bayer synthesized and called aspirin) and tried to sleep. Couldn't, so got
up and drank some apple juice. Fever started coming down, and by 7:00 AM
there was no sign of a fever.
Thoughts. I've still got more flushing to do. Though I had success with the
Clark method and highly recommend it to anyone beginning flushes, am now
hooked on the pint of oil with lemon juice - while following the Clark eating
and Epsom Salts routines. (By today, I could look at the olive oil bottle
without getting sick.)
From my perspective, I obviously had a "healing crisis."
Fortunately it was
of short duration even though it worried me, but I must have evicted some
really old stuff that had a lot of crud. Am sure that I still have things
like DDT and many other things left in me, and will continue on. With the
tremendous amounts of stones that were evicted this time, I'm really
encouraged to continue on, even though it may stir up some side effects.
Have never ever had any kind of adverse reaction prior to this flush. In
fact I've generally fully recovered by noon of the flushing out day, but not
I searched the Internet to see if I could find anyone else reporting a
healing crisis with a gallbladder flush, but couldn't. Has anyone else on
this list had any kind of adverse reaction to the flush?
I do believe the reason you had a fever was your body fighting those ugly critters!!
But, with all of your previous cleanses, where were these stones? I have only completed 6 cleanses and got very few stones out this last time which lead me to believe I am "clean." Now I am not so sure. I am wondering if I have those kind of stones still lurking in my body!!
How long did you wait in between cleanses? I wonder also if you had galbladder problems.
You may have answered my questions. I have a 1.7 centimeter stone. I wondered if the cleanse could pass one that large. Was your large one about that size? Did you take anything like Chinese herbs to shrink it?
yeah,the first time i did it i woke up in the middle of the night freezing and nausious, then got up sweating later. i looked at myself in the mirror and was white as a ghost. i was still nausious in the morning and couldn't handle the es. after i went to the bathroom a couple of times the sick feeling went away and i finished the es. it hasn't happened since.
About every 3-4 months, gallbladder symptoms hit their peak. Previous flushes have been successful. Last week it was crisis time - this time I used ozone generator (w/oxygen tank) to enhance the olive oil.
As usual, those last few sips of olive oil/grapefruit were yak to get down (queasy writing this). Followed protocol exactly. Woke up feeling bad. On the toilet (no stones) sweats, and eventually the oh-so-horrible throwing up ozonated olive oil.
I'm scared to ever do another flush. How can you DRINK a pint? I'm using gcg & chinese bitters now, taking malic acid... looking for support and testimonials from others. I soooo don't want to succumb to having my gallbladder removed but I'm losing hope.
My 22nd Liver Flush (clark's every time) produced 413 stones the largest being the size of kix cereal. However, I have had 1 inch diameter before as well as lost of "sluff" stuff. I have also had two identical things come out (I wish I had saved them for analysis)because I believe were tumors. They were black, round about 1 inch in diameter and 1/4 inch high, with a point in the middle with lines coming out of that point and going around to the back. Anyway, I saw a picture on a veterinary's site just like what came out of me and it was a cancerous tumor from an animal. Anyway, after this last flush with over 400, I, like you, think I need to continue. Don't know if I will do the pint of oil, since I can barely do the 1/2 cup. I might try castor oil packs before and drinking more apple juice the days before the flush to push more out. I have had numerous 1-1 1/2 inch long narrow stones which I now know to have been stuck in my ducts! The greatest thing about all of this is how much better I feel! When I first started over two years ago I was soooooo sick, tired, and in a great deal of pain in my chest area that I had been dealing with on and off for four and a half years. It finally got to where it hurt 24/7 even with the Zantac 150 twice a day the doctor had perscribed. The doctors were running every test imaginable and when they mentioned gall bladder, I went to the internet and found Clark's cleanse and decided it couldn't hurt me so I tried it and from the very first day I have not had that horrible pain!!! I also had arthritis, back ache, knee ache, burning pain in right hip, sinus problems, alergies, dry patches of skin, itchy skin, red cheeks, ear aches, insomnia, anxiety, depression all of which have disappeared! How about you? What made you do the first one? Was also wondering how old you are ... I am 55.
I was wondering if anyone had tried the famous Edgar Cayce castor oil pack in preparation for a flush, or simply used a heating pad to help to relax the liver/gall bladder and dilate the ducts? I know he recommended doing castor oil packs for "congested" livers and even for hepatitis and cirrhosis and interestingly, he would often recommend a "series" of three packs to be done either on three consecutive days or over a period of week and then told people, after the third pack in the series, to take two teaspoons or two tablespoons (different for different people) of OLIVE OIL to "cleanse the system". Sounds like a "mini-flush" to me. I haven't done the flush in quite a while because I've been just too weak but I tried a castor oil pack and passed two fairly large stones without doing anything else. I'm not saying I think it would be good to do this INSTEAD of the other flushing instructions but maybe it would be helpful in addition to them. Maybe help the Epsom Salts dilate the ducts. Any thoughts or experiences?
what are castor oil packs...I have great pain in the liver area...I am set up for a liver biopsy...I have elevated liver enzymes...I have never drank any kind of alcohol and
Dr. said one of the possibilities is Chirossis(spelling) ..Does anyone have any suggestions...thankkx
What are the advantages of the slow or fast way to cleanse liver? I had one cleanse and it wasn't fun but I would
do it again...and again to get rid of the crud in my gall bladder/ liver... I'm just glad I had the nerve to try it...
I would purchase the book "Can We Live 150 Years?", by Mikhail Tombak. There are detailed instructions on how to perform a liver cleanse, and gallbladder flush. If you have gallbladder pain, something that worked very well for me is a home remedy. First, try to stay away from fried and fatty foods, and eat plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables. I had horrible pain from gallstones, and was in constant pain for two weeks straight. My doctor would not prescribe any pain medication, so for two weeks I was miserable. When I finally broke down and told my mother about my problem, she told me about an old remedy she had read about in a book. She told me to take two tablespoons of olive oil with a few drops of lemon juice (only from fresh lemons) squeezed onto each tablespoon and drink it down. My pain was gone in less than one minute. I had two attacks after that, and each time this remedy worked. I have since changed my diet drastically, and haven't had an attack in over seven years.
I use 4 teaspoons of Epsom Salts/ 12 oz of pure water about a half hour before consuming the juice of 4 lemons and and an equal quantity of olive oil. A close friend has found 1 teaspoon of epsom salts 15 minutes before the juice of one lemon and 1/2 cup of olive oil works well. Lying on your right side is a good way to start, but on your back, left side, and stomach offer variations for future flushes that might allow cleansing of areas that weren't cleansed before.We both agree that as soon as you consume the juice and the olive oil you must recline. Heating pads are optional in my opinion. Castor oil packs can be helpful for soothing an irritated bowel or spastic bowel.
I have heard Agnes (I think) and others suggest that it is good to take a smaller amount of Epsom Salts every day if you are preparing for a cleanse or if your liver is very congested, to help keep things moving. My liver is very congested. (as far as I can tell)I have a lot of allergies and almost no energy. The first 5 or 6 flushes I did were very successful but the last three have not been. I was wondering if it's okay to take Epsom Salts daily to try to keep the ducts open and things flowing through the liver more easily overall? If so... how much should I take per day and when should I take them? Most people say "don't take epsom salts on a regular basis because they are a laxative and you'll get dependent on them". Just wondering if others had other opinions.
Thanks so much.
> I was wondering if it's okay to take Epsom Salts daily to try to keep the ducts open and things flowing through the liver more easily overall? If so... how much should I take per day and when should I take them?
You can take 1/2 teaspoon or 1 teaspoon a day.
If you drink 3 liter of water a day, you can dissolve it with water.
You will hardly feel the taste. (tastes like mineral water)
If you don't like the taste, you can take it with a glass of freshly pressed juice (grapefruit, orange, lemon, apple, .... )
> Most people say "don't take Epsom Salts on a regular basis because they are a laxative and you'll get dependent on them".
Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate heptahidrate) have been for millions of years part of human diet.
2% of natural unrefined ocean salt is magnesium sulfate.
natural unrefined ocean salt have been part of human diet for hundreds of thousands of years, all untill last 50 years.
It is in the last 30 - 80 years people started using refined salt.
Almost all natural mineral water contains magnesium sulfate.
Read the lable. It's always written percentage.
All people who have used magnesium supplementattion daily, reported better health.
You should never take the amount that causes diarrhea, unless diarrhea is what you want.
Magnesium is a critical element in 325+ biochemical reactions in the human body.
Recent research, in France and several other European countries, gives a clue concerning the role of magnesium plays in the transmission of hormones (such as insulin, thyroid, estrogen, testosterone, DHEA, etc.), neurotransmitters (such as dopamine, catecholamines, serotonin, GABA, etc.), and minerals and mineral electrolytes.
This research concludes that it is magnesium status that controls cell membrane potential and through this means controls uptake and release of many hormones, nutrients and neurotransmitters. It is magnesium that controls the fate of potassium and calcium in the body. If magnesium is insufficient potassium and calcium will be lost in the urine and calcium will be deposited in the soft tissues (kidneys, arteries, joints, brain, etc.).
Magnesium protects the cell from aluminum, mercury, lead, cadmium, beryllium and nickel. Evidence is mounting that low levels of magnesium contribute to the heavy metal deposition in the brain that precedes Parkinson´s, multiple sclerosis and Alzheimer´s.
It is probable that low total body magnesium contributes to heavy metal toxicity in children and is a participant in the etiology of learning disorders.
Deficiency (from low dietary intake or excess loss) is clinically associated with:
Arthritis- Rheumatoid and Osteoarthritis
Auto immune disorders- all types
Cerebral Palsy- in children from magnesium deficient mothers
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
Congestive Heart Disease
Crooked teeth- narrow jaw- in children from magnesium deficient mothers
Diabetes- Type I and II
Eating disorders- Bulimia, Anorexia
Gut disorders- including peptic ulcer, Crohn´s disease, colitis, food allergy
Heart Disease- Arteriosclerosis, high cholesterol, high triglycerides
Heart Disease- in infants born to magnesium deficient mothers
High Blood Pressure
Impaired athletic performance
Infantile Seizure- in children from magnesium deficient mothers
Insomnia kidney stones
Lou Gehrig´s Disease
Migraines- including cluster type
Mitral Valve Prolapse
Muscle weakness, fatigue
Myopia- in children from magnesium deficient mothers
Obesity- especially obesity associated with high carbohydrate diets
Osteoporosis- just adding magnesium reversed bone loss
PMS- including menstrual pain and irregularities
PPH- Primary Pulmonary Hypertension
SIDS- Sudden Infant Death Syndrome
Syndrome X- insulin resistance
Thyroid disorders- low, high and auto-immune; low magnesium reduces T4
Other conditions are also associated with chronic and acute low magnesium intake and further research is continuing to confirm relationships.
The following substances and conditions reduce total body magnesium
Alcohol- all forms cause significant losses
Burns- with large surface area
Calcium- high levels block magnesium absorption
Carbohydrates- especially White Sugar , high fructose corn syrup, white flour
Chronic pain- any cause
Coffee- significant losses
Cyclosporin- extra magnesium can protect from side-effects
Diabetes- magnesium spills with Sugar in the urine
Diarrhea- any cause
Dieting- stress plus lowered intake
Diuretics- even potassium sparing diuretics do not spare magnesium
Insulin- whether from using insulin or from hyperinsulinemia
Over-training- extreme athletic physical conditioning/training
Phentermine / Fenfluramine
Sodas- especially cola type sodas, both diet and regular
Sodium- high refined (table) salt intake
Stress- physical and mental- anything that gets your fight or flight reaction
> It is probable that low total body magnesium contributes to heavy metal toxicity in children and is a participant in the etiology of learning disorders. <<
what is more probable is that heavy metal toxicity contributes to low magnesium or absorption of magnesium.
i had an interesting experience a few weeks ago that ties in this theory. i have completed about 8 Hulda Clark flushes so far. the last one was not successful probably because i had too large a stone to pass. i have been trying andy cutler's mercury chelation with Alpha Lipoic acid for the past months as well. it is very interesting, as it is the only thing that seems to relax me. he mentions that mercury interferes with the absorption of most minerals. i have tried every supplement in the book, and nothing seems to actually get in to my cells. anyway, while doing the chelation protocol, one day i drank alot of fresh parsley juice. an hour later i passed a large white stone. i got the same feeling of relief that i got with previous liver flushes. i think what happened is that i had inadvertently done a flush! i am guessing that since i was chelating, magnesium was utilizable by my body. and then the parsley juice, which is a strong bitter, stimulated bile flow. who knows if i am right, but how interesting! i wonder if anyone has comments on this. also, now i am wondering if anyone has tried bitters like parsley juice to force the flush instead of fat.
also wondering about the mediteranean diet which is high in olive oil-- if these people are somehow healthier because they are constantly cleaning their livers.
i am wondering which flush seems to be the best of the ones you listed. i have only done the Hulda Clark fush.
Just a thought, but perhaps the mediterranean diet promotes health and longevity by preventing liver congestion and stones vs. removing stones. With a clean, healthful diet, liver congestion may be completely avoided, removing the need for planned flushing all together. I don't suggest that this is likely among most, just that it is possible.
Hi, I have been suffering from what I believe to be gallstones, and I and
my family desperately need to do the liver cleanse. Of the three
ingredients in Dr. Clarks cleanse, I am concerned about one. I am very
allergic to walnuts. If I eat one bite of a cookie that has walnuts, I go
into anaphylaxis. Will the Black-Walnut tincture affect me? I believe it
to be the actual oil of the nut that I am allergic to...can you help? I
assume from reading that I need to do the parasite cleanse and kidney
cleanse before I can effectively do the liver cleanse. Do I have these in
the right order? Thank you very much for your time.
> Hi, I have been suffering from what I believe to be gallstones, and I and
> my family desperately need to do the liver cleanse. Of the three
> ingredients in Dr. Clarks cleanse, I am concerned about one. I am very
> allergic to walnuts. If I eat one bite of a cookie that has walnuts, I go
> into anaphylaxis. Will the Black-Walnut tincture affect me?
> I believe it
> to be the actual oil of the nut that I am allergic to...can you help? I
> assume from reading that I need to do the parasite cleanse and kidney
> cleanse before I can effectively do the liver cleanse. Do I have these in
> the right order?
Black-Walnut is part of parasites cleanse but if you are alergic, you can skip that part.
There are many other parasite killing herbs and remedies:
Click on "Parasites cleanse" link below.
What remedies are there for Enlarged fatty liver? My son, 33 yrs. old, was recently diagnosed with enlarged fatty liver. The dctor told him that he needed to lose weight and eat a healthy diet, but no specifics. Should he do a liver cleanse? or any other cleanses in conjunction to a liver cleanse.
Does an enlarged fatty liver lead to other physical complications?
Also, my son exercises daily at the gym, weightlifting, etc. Does this contribute to enlarged liver?