I'm anxious to do a Liver Flush but I'm hesitate because I've high blood pressure and the formula has Epsom Salts in it. Would it be safe for me to do this particular flush or should I use another one? I would like to do this as soon as possible . Thankyou very much for any input you might offer. Sincerely , Sally
> I'm anxious to do a Liver Flush but I'm hesitate because I've high blood pressure and the formula has Epsom Salts in it. Would it be safe for me to do this particular flush or should I use another one? I would like to do this as soon as possible
it seems that Epsom Salt helps lower blood pressure.
You can test it on yourself before you actually attempt doing the clense.
First, you should do Water Cure for at least 1 day to insure you are hydrated.
Then the next day take 1 tea spoon of Epsom Salt deluted with water and just eat and do as you are use to.
Monitor your blood pressure to find how you react to epsom salt.
Then, if you have no negative reactions, the next day you can take 1 table spoon of Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate) with water.
Again, monitore your reaction.
If there is no negative reaction, then you will feel secure and safe and ready to do liver cleanse.
Please let us know your experience with BP and epsom salt.
Other people reported lower blood pressure when taking daily 1 teaspoon of epsom salt (magnesium sulfate).
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From: "Barbara Filbeck"
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:29:42 -0600
Subject: [gallstones] Epsom salt and high blood pressure
Can you use epsome salts if you have high blood pressure? We are waiting to
hear before we (my sister and I) start our first flush. Thanks for any input.
I had the same concern before my first flush, (I have high blood pressure). No worries, Epsom salt will actually lower your blood pressure. I've done two flushes so far with no adverse reactions (unless you count a huge case of nerves the first time cause I worried about taking the Epsom Salts :-)
That is a great question, I was wondering that myself. I think I have read that people have been told they needed their gallbladders out, then did liver flushes, then were told they can keep their gallbladders.
I would love to see an ultrasound of my gallbladder before and after, but that will probably not every happen because I don't have any pain or other symptoms.
hi! I have just been diagnosed having a "liver hemangioma" (after an ultrasound). Not much was said to me, except that it was benign and nothing should be done, except "watching it:". I have been in a lot of pain ever since November, 2001. First, I was treated for an ulcer and given antibiotics. Pain got better for a while. It came back. Studies were done (ultrasound, CT Scan). Hemangioma was found. But nothing is going to be done, I was told. Pain continues. It's hard to live with pain for a long time: pain, nauseas, tiredness, burning (sometimes). Could it be caused by this "hemangioma"? And if so... what could be done about it?
Monday I'm going back to see my primary care physician. What would you advise me to tell/ask her? The specialist told me to "let it be", and "we'll just watch it".
PS: will you please reply directly to my e-mail? Otherwise, I will not know where to find you. I was searching for anything on the Internet about "hemangioma", and I found your page.
I would suggest bowel cleanse, parasites cleanse & liver cleanse.
There are two types of liver hemangioma: cavernous and hemangioendothelioma.
Hemangioendotheliomata are generally seen only in children.
Cavernous hemangioma is the most common benign liver tumor of adults.
Cavernous hemangioma occur in individuals of all ages and throughout the world. They are more commonly found in older persons and rarely identified in young children. Cavernous hemangiomata are more common in women than men. Estrogens may increase their size.
Cavernous hemangiomata can vary in size and be as large as several centimeters. The margins of the tumors are usually well-defined. Hemangiomata are filled with vascular channels of various sizes and also contain fibrous tissue. Thrombi (clotted blood) may be present in the vascular channels.
Very rarely, a hemangioma can rupture, usually after abdominal trauma.
Cavernous hemangiomata are benign.
The best treatment for benign tumors are Black-Walnut , wormwood & liver cleanse.
Sadly, none of these homeopathic remdies are going to be of any use to someone with hemangiomas. Hemangiomas are a tangled mass of veins that are primarily a birth defect. It does not effect liver function - but is dangerous because of the risk of rupture and bleeding to death. Some hemangiomas creep into the abodminal cavity and grow incredibly large (and are very dangerous). When a hemangioma is that invasive, then it can hinder liver function. But there is no medicine or remedy that will alleviate the condition other than to have it removed. They are not a "tumor" persay that will shrink - unless you have a procedure done that injects alcohol into the tumor, which cuts off the blood supply, and allows it to shrink up naturally (but not cure it).
Last week I was told I have to giant hemangiomas one 16cc and one 6cc. I have been in a great deal of pain in my shoulder, rib cage and back. My liver is not functioning properly and my cholesterol skyrocketed to 380. I have not had the MRI yet only an ultrasound. My Dr. said that it is possible to shrink them without surgery. I have no idea what method she was talking about and had no idea what it was she said I had either. This week I have been doing a lot of reading up to understand the diagnosis and what is means. I was relieved that it wasn't something worse however I am still worried about how to get rid of it and how invasive that will have to be. With all the reading I have not heard of one case so far where they were shrunk without surgery. Does anyone know of something new?
I had a Ct scan & they saw a density, a nodule, in the liver.....they suspect it is hemangioma but I think a biopsy has to be done to make sure it is not malignant.I am not a doctor..but I had a friend who was not diagnosed on time for malignancy & is now dead........
I also need advice.I pray a lot & I trust in God's help,but I want to do my best & have the best treatment too....
What do you think.........should I accept the hemangioma diagnosis based on the Ct scan alone or have a biopsy done........I too experience pain on the lower left quadrant....thanks to your advice....
My husband, who has a cirrhotic liver was recently given an MRI; the interventional radiologist came up with a diagnosis of "hepatocellular carcinoma"; we went to specialist yesterday at Mt. Sinai (world reknown liver transplant center) who has said that he believes the radiologist was incorrect in his diagnosis and after viewing the many levels of the MRI graphics said he was fairly positive that it was not cancer at all, but rather a hemangioma (lower right lobe of liver). My husband is in no pain - he does not drink AT ALL and is extremely healthy. The Mt. Sinai specialist has, however, ordered a "guided" biopsy, so we will not really know for certain until Monday, but he was quite positive that the spot was a hemangioma, "nothing more than a birthmark", he said.
So if anyone here has pain, it would seem to me that your primary care physician should refer you to a liver specialist and have that specialist determine whether, from your history, and your bloodwork, if you should have a biopsy....I would certainly want one! Good luck!
I had a 10cm hemangioma removed 5 yrs ago. DO NOT let anyone do a biopsy...it can cause a hemangioma to burst. It's true that hemangiomas are benign...but the fluid inside of them is poisonous and can kill u fast, within minutes. See a liver surgeon!
I'm posting this May 2014
I have also been diagnosised with liver hemangioma. I was experiencing a pain in my lower right high thigh, right where my leg attaches to my body. My Gyno thought that I might have indometriosis, so she did a laproscopy.......nothing. She then sent me to a internal med doc. He thought that it might be a hernia.....not. They then saw that my liver had these lesions. He suggested that we wait 3-months to see if there is any growth. My Gyno called back and wants me to see a gastroinstesional doc. I made an appt. with a very well-known clinic that treats all diagnosis, and has a VERY good reputation......we will see. I have been searching on this subject as well........WE HAVE TO INFORM OURSELVES, AND BE OUR OWN BEST DOC!
Which, by the way. We haven't found what was my origianl pain or problem.....the internal doc put me on Celebrex ( an anti-inflamatory)----which I read online, it shouldn't be taken if there are liver problems.
They do not ever do biopsies on hemangiomas, because of the risk of bleeding and rupture. After an ultrasound, typically your doctor will have you do a CT Scan (with contrast, and hemangioma protocol) or an MRI. A CT or MRI can almost definitively identify a hemangioma since it is a mass of tangled veins vs. a cancerous mass. Biopsies are just not done on these.
Hello, i am from Greece and i have a 8 cm hemangioma. I would like to ask you why you chose surgery and not embolization ;or radiofrequency ablation. Are they more dangerous? Did you experienced any pain and you decided to remove it? Thank you very much for sharing your experience. I am very affraid of rupture, i really do not know what to do.
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These three quotes are instructive:
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I was recently diagnosed with three Haemangioma's of the liver. Two are approx 5cm in diameter & one has grown abnormally large and is 13cm diamater. They have been growing for approximately 2 years, which would explain my ill health over that period of time. I spent 2 years visiting doctors to no avail, I even had a laperoscopy in 2001, but unfortunately my GP thought my problem was a gynae one, and didn't investigate the liver. Everything came to a head about 3 months ago when I was having severe chest pains & nausea. I gave up on the National Health Service and paid for an ultra sound privately, which showed this large mass on my liver. I was then treated as an urgent case and sent to see a consultant in Leicester, who after an MRI scan, diagnosed a giant haemangioma. In the next 4-6 weeks I am having a resection of the liver, which I can honestly say Im not looking forward to, although I am certainly looking forward to being better again. The operation is very risky, but Im a woman in my early 30's, who wants to start a family in the next year, I am very lucky to have found out about this, as Haemangioma's of the liver are very difficult to detect.
My consultant said that the nausea is likened to morning sickness (not that I have ever had any children), the haemangioma is pressing your stomach in the same way a baby presses on your stomach, causing the sick feeling. I take anti sickness tablets, which kind of sort it out. I also get chest pains & back pains, they are very sharp. I also get abdominal cramps, which can sometimes last all day, they are very worrying, the only way they ease up slightly for me is if I lie down.
I also have pain and was just diagnosed with 2 giant cavernous hemangiomas. Yes, I think it's related. A family member has the same condition with the same symptoms I have. I don't think it is confirmed in any medical research, but I have seen it mentioned at many websites (pain assoc. with hemangiomas). If yours are more than 5 cm in size - you need to talk to your doctor about your options.
Greetings to all from the other end of the planet!
I am in the process of my 2nd flush (1 hour after my 2nd dose of epsom
salts), and was wondering a few things...
I get my attacks fairly consistently mid afternoon, or maybe 4pm at the
latest, and the bad ones have me feverish and in lots of pain so the only
thing for it is bed. Or, actually recently I discovered that lying on my
right side gives me some (not total) relief.
I was having an attack roughly every six months, but of late, they were
coming weekly (usually Fridays, go figure) and for a while, daily.
Enough! I said, and toodled off to the naturopath who put me on the cleanse
which I reckon she must have got from curezone.com.
That was two weeks ago, and I followed the plan to the letter, except
instead of drinking the oil at 10pm it was closer to 11 - I read somewhere
that this makes a difference, can anyone tell me why please?
Around 2am things started moving for me (Rachel, thank you for your
suggestion, as well as having the Epsom Salts in apple juice, I reduced them
from 4tbsp to 3tbsp - still disgusting, but a lot more manageable!). A
sleepless night was had by all from then on till about 5am, then the body
settled a little!
Woke up around 8am, took more Epsom Salts , and then the last dose at 10am.
Throughout the early morning, and through till about 1 or 2pm, I passed
probably around 100 or fewer green things which looked like green sunflower
seeds, and about that size too, and that's it - no yellow stuff at all.
I am wondering what will happen this time? Hopefully I will NOT have to
change the sheets at 4am again - that wasn't funny! I hope also that I will
be able to attend my son's soccer match tomorrow morning at 8am!
I was a bit concerned after reading these emails from the past two weeks
because I hadn't seen any of the yellow stones, perhaps they come this time?
I hope that my 2nd flush will be effective!
After the first flush I felt ok, no euphoria like some have reported, but
alright (apart from the fire down below). I started feeling encouraged that
perhaps I had helped my condition as I didn't have any more attacks.
Sadly, this week I have had three attacks in three days, and today the
threat of an attack, which I am curious (sort of, and frightened...) to see
what happens around that when I take the oil. That is why I have made the
choice to do the 2nd flush 12 days after the first one. These attacks are
not fun, and I don't wish them to continue!
I am wondering if like Barry, I have a "problem stone" which I will never
get out - I hope not! I will see how this flush goes.
Thank you all for being a huge source of encouragement. It had made an
enormous difference to me to read your mails - what was a big and very
frightening mystery to me two weeks ago is now something I feel that with
the knowledge and experiences you have all passed on I am well able to
tackle and get to the bottom of.
ps - I forgot to ask... it said to have a fat free breakfast and lunch
today - I had lavash (flat bread) with philadephia cream cheese (just a
little bit!) and about 1/4 of an avacado on it... I wasn't organised enough.
After this, am I wasting my time doing the flush, or does it have any effect
From: "Teresa French"
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 3:20 am
Subject: RE: [gallstones] Flush 2
Well, it is now 11am the next day, and I had my first morning dose of salts
at 10am (this was because I was worried about having to dash off somewhere
unknown during my son's soccer game)
>I ate fruit and grapefruit juice around 10. I ate a fatty meal at 11am
>(sour cream (1/4 of a liter) and bread)
>Diarrhea started after I ate.
Agnes, this comment of yours relieved me... I still have not had any
movement down below and was getting worried. It is amazing how much
difference it makes - instead of 4tsbp of Epsom Salts in 3 cups of water I
am doing 3tbsp in 3cup applejuice/water mix. This is because I had such a
powerful reaction to the ES last time!
I stayed awake last night for most of the night, but for different reasons
this time - this time I felt very nauseous and wanting to heave a couple of
times but didn't. Strange I thought, as I didn't have any problems getting
the oil down.
The Epsom Salts in apple juice is marginally better but still pretty foul!
I am going to try the colander trick Agnes... (as long as hubby doesn't spot
me!!!!) and photo anything of interest!
It's nice to be able to share this with people, hearing how others go helps
me know that what happens for me is ok and within the norm.
From: "Teresa French"
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 4:46 am
Subject: RE: [gallstones] Flush 2
thank you - it's been only 3/4 hr since my last dose of Epsom Salts and they
moved things along very quickly! within 30 minutes I was running for the
loo - and have been once since then too. Haven't seen any stones yet though.
Will see how it goes!
just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can't stop long!
Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don't know if I had any success
this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on Friday
night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain that
went away)... that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain free for
a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear that perhaps
I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and perhaps I
should have left it alone - I am not interested in Epsom Salts and olive oil
for the rest of my days!
Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from flushing..
Words of encouragement welcome people!!!
Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something
that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can.
I would like to help you to understand that flushing just starts the
cleansing process of getting the gallbladder and live back to a healthy
condition. It is much the same as trying to clean up an oil spill it just
isn't all gotten with one quick swipe of a rag.
I was told by my doctor in February of 99 to have my gallbladder removed
within the next two weeks after an MRI showed it to be thickened, therefore
diseased, and having "A" stone. He stated to me, and my wife, that my
gallbladder probably hadn't been working well for the last ten years. I
didn't like the idea of losing something with which I had started my life
and so because of that started my research on the gallbladder and
alternatives to having it cut out. I started flushing after doing some
preliminary work of detoxing and changing my diet from a high fat to a much
reduced intake of fat. Of course at the time I really didn't understand the
differences in fats and my misunderstanding led to some other problems
later, after I was now stone free, and had a gallbladder that looked as
normal as anyother gallbladder would in an ultrasound.
I too thought that after having done my first flush I was totally stone free
and that I could eat a nice meal at a resturant without having to worry
about the attacks again. Little did I know at that time that it was going to
be some months before that would be a reality, and after a lot of attacks
that would occur when I would fall off the wagon, so to speak. Even though I
now can eat pretty much with impunity, I still will get warning notes of
discomfort if I eat things that are too fatty with hydrogenated fat or
animal fat, which is a saturated fat. But, I still have my gallbladder and
it appears from my movements that it's working just fine.
Flushing is something that the body would normally do without you even being
concerned with the process if you happened to be eating the right
combinations of foods, along with exercise, and didn't have some genetic
predisposition to a particular disaease. So, I can certainly appreciate just
how you feel about being locked into doing something so distastefull as
taking Epsom Salts , and then a concoction of extra virgin olive oil and a
fresh squeezed fruit juice.
The important thing to remember is the fact that stones didn't occur without
the body haveing something out of balance. So, sometimes it just takes more
time to get back the balance it needs to function correctly, or at least at
a good stubble. Flushing isn't a silver bullet to good health that one shot
does it. Shoot, even if you take an antibiotic you have to take it
religiously to hopefully kill a bacteria infection, and if it happens to be
a wound it may be necessary to clean that wound daily while the healing
process is taking place.
Needless to say, but disease leads to dis-ease and that is from which we're
all trying to get away.
I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and perhaps I
should have left it alone - I am not interested in Epsom Salts and olive oil
for the rest of my days!
Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from flushing..
Words of encouragement welcome people!!!
This is a great testimony. I was wondering something about your
story. If you've been flushing for 3 years, have cleaned up your diet
and are watching everything 'going in' so well, and you have a clean
ultrasound now, why do you feel you are still having discomfort?
Do you think your bile within your gb is still producing stones that
need to be cleanses out?
Do you think sludge is building up causing the discomfort?
I was just curious to know what you think it would take for you to be
totally discomfort free. Besides 'baksliding' every now and then, do
you think you will have to watch you diet and fragile gallbladder for
the rest of your life or do you think it has an end soon?
Good luck with your search for pain-free life.
Speaking of hydrogenated fats, I have a problem ..........now I have tried to find an alternative for them at Wholefoods, a few different cookies, but nothing compares to an Oreo....oh oh who's that flusher with the oreo cookie....ahahahaha......Not that I eat them daily or anything but when I do have occassion to them....I eat a good dozen of them with coffee....oh you talk about naughty. Anyhow, I do miss my Oreo cookies and if I can ever find an alternative to them I will give them up because I know they do cause me trouble. To eat or not to eat, that is the question for me....and quite frankly I have given so much to my diet in my life that I would just like to once in my life splurge like normal people do.....*sigh*
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:14:20 -0500
Subject: [gallstones] Diet and stones
I found this information at Dr. Weil's site....now I did see that he says that the gallbladder flush is folk remedy that doesn't work but anyhow, I thought well there are many out there who believe this to be true....Anyhow this was also found at his site:
"If a patient can't tolerate surgery, two drugs, Actigall (ursodiol) and Chenix (chenodiol), can help dissolve gallstones, but treatment can take months. Another nonsurgical alternative, shock-wave lithotripsy, is experimental; it uses sound waves to break up the stones. There is some evidence that a very low-fat diet may prevent stone formation and also prompt stones to dissolve. If your mother is not having painful attacks, she should improve her diet and reduce fat intake to keep the stones quiet. If she is experiencing pain, removal of the gallbladder is the best bet. "
I have not read nor heard anything regarding diet change dissolving them...have you? And if this is true, why did I get them in the first place? Was it those Oreo cookies I eat about once every few months or so? I certainly in 10 years have had maybe a couple dozen fried foods a year....I mean that is how healthy I eat....hmmm....somehow this whole thing is flawed with food being the cause of them....I just don't think they have all their stones in a row on this......ooopss....my oversight........ rapid weight loss or not eating can also cause them, and I do have rapid weight loss when my lupus goes into a flare and it is not because I don't eat that is when my appetite is the largest....last time I flared I ended up 109 pounds, I was emaciated horribly. Anyhow, I guess there are somethings we all have to look at in pursuit of health but quite frankly my dear, I don't give a stone if I have to give up fatty foods but please don't take my Oreo cookie. roflol
From: "Dale Williams"
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:51:54 -0700
Subject: Re: [gallstones] Diet and stones
I found this information at Dr. Weil's site....now I did see that he says
that the gallbladder flush is folk remedy that doesn't work but anyhow, I
thought well there are many out there who believe this to be true....Anyhow
this was also found at his site:
This is just exactly why I lost all respect for this man's opinons, and
quite reading anything he had to say even if he is correct. He made this
statement with out any supportive documentation for that statement. If he
would do it with something so critical as gallbladder health he'll do it
Sorry,, But I just do not find a good reason to repect this man even though
a friend of mine consideres him her friend.
Regarding the disolving of stones we know that some will develop for various
reasons and then disappear in time. Take for example what happens with
pregnant women. They may develope them during the time of pregnancy and then
they may disappear in a short time afterwards. Diet???? What do they crave
> I found this information at Dr. Weil's site....now I did see that he says
> that the gallbladder flush is folk remedy that doesn't work but anyhow, I
> thought well there are many out there who believe this to be true....Anyhow
> this was also found at his site:
I read Dr Weil's advice too and also hit another site from an MD who said the flush is dangerous and you can end up in ER in considerable pain.
Because of these comments I am afraid to attempt the flush even tho' I am chock full of stones and will probably have surgery in 2 weeks.
I started with pancreatitis. Now if the pancreas is involved you can really stir up some serious trouble including losing part of your stomach and intestine. It's nothing to fool around with.
My emotions say try the flush and get all the darned things out but my head says "whoa baby-this could be dangerous." I have included my email address and would deeply appreciate hearing from someone personally about their experience with the flush. I see a surgeon in a week so time is of the essence. Please contact me. Thanks, Doris
> This is just exactly why I lost all respect for this man's opinons, and
> quite reading anything he had to say even if he is correct. He made this
> statement with out any supportive documentation for that statement. If he
> would do it with something so critical as gallbladder health he'll do it
> else where.
> Sorry,, But I just do not find a good reason to respect this man even though
> a friend of mine consideres him her friend.
> Regarding the disolving of stones we know that some will develop for various
> reasons and then disappear in time. Take for example what happens with
> pregnant women. They may develope them during the time of pregnancy and then
> they may disappear in a short time afterwards. Diet???? What do they crave
> while pregnant??
I had a successful first flush, but a few days after my
2nd flush, my basal temps rose for about 5 days, and I
thought I was going to get sick. But a few days after
that, my back really flared up. Neck pain and back pain
in several spots. Not sure it's related, but it seems
awfully coincidental. It seems flushing is pretty hard
on the body (at least for me it is), and I worry it'll
flare up other existing problems, or bring on some new,
not-yet-diagnosed problem. Also, my back trouble is at
certain points on my spine, and knowing about Traditional
Chinese Medicine, I wonder what it may mean. I had my
neck MRId, and they found 2 buldging discs at C5/C6 and
C6/C7. But I also have trouble at 2 other spots on my
spine. One about arm pit level and the other at or just
above waist level.
Just wondering if anyone else has had strange experiences
after a flush.
> My emotions say try the flush and get all the darned things out but my head says "whoa baby-this could be dangerous." I have included my email address and would deeply appreciate hearing from someone personally about their experience with the flush. I see a surgeon in a week so time is of the essence. Please contact me. Thanks, Doris
> But a few days after
> that, my back really flared up. Neck pain and back pain
> in several spots. Not sure it's related, but it seems
> awfully coincidental. It seems flushing is pretty hard
> on the body (at least for me it is), and I worry it'll
> flare up other existing problems, or bring on some new,
> not-yet-diagnosed problem.
some people with serious health problems, chronic problems, go through process of revers disease.
Symptoms of diseases that have been supressed in the past, symptoms supressed by medications, begin apearing.
Sometimes, person goes through very strong symptoms and feels much worse then ever.
It is not easy to keep faith in those times.
Read this story:
Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: Chinese Med & Gallstones
I have two "kids" in their twenties. I was diagnosed with stage 2A invasive ductal carcinoma of the breast 2 and a half years ago.
Dr. Day, flaxseed oil and cottage cheese and the blood type diet were of little to no help to me. The exception to this is carrot juice, which I still take daily.
I started Dr. Clark's cancer program two years ago. I read archives here for three months before I could screw up the courage to do my first flush:-)
I can honestly say that I often felt worse after doing a flush, particularly the first 4 days to a week. The more stuff I flushed out, the worse I would feel. I would make extra trips to the bathroom for days afterward.
The very first flush I passed a mercury tooth filling! Flushes 4 and 6 I passed cylindrical see-through parasites (like jellyfish)they were big around, maybe an inch, its hard to say, and 3 to 6 inches long. To me they looked like little Caspar the friendly ghosts.
Sometime around flush 10 I started having incredible hot flashes every night in the middle of the night after I did the flush...the rip your clothes off kind of hot flash. Two weeks later when I did the next flush the hot flashes stopped and I've never had them again.
I had no distinct liver problems or pain that I was aware of UNTIL I started flushing the liver. Except for an arthritic kind of pain in my pointy finger on both hands. That would act up. The pains gradually worked up my wrist, elbow, upper arm, shoulder, neck and then shoulder blade in textbook fashion exactly as Hulda describes in her books.
Then when I did the 31st flush all pain stopped. I have not had any since, and I felt a kind of shift in my well being.
Energy has improved, but still has a long way to go. I can go in public places and not react to the chemicals right away, but I can only take a couple hours at most of that.
My appetite is back, I sleep better and my head is clearer, though that can still be a problem. Since I do many things in Hulda's latest cancer program, it is difficult to point at just the Liver Flushes as the reason for my improvement. Mercury removal and plate zapping have helped me tremendously, though it was hard going for months after having the dental work.
But it is really clear to me that I am toxic before doing a flush and less so afterwards. I have experienced some wonderful highs afterwards and I tell myself that is just a peek at how good things can get.
This spring for three weeks I felt fantastic...absolutely fantastic.
So I know my body can do it.
I still have the sense that I am at high risk for a cancer recurrence or metastasis...I cannot take a day off of all the protocols that I do.
All conventional cancer tests have been negative so far.
Recent bloodwork showed my cholesterol dropped 50 points from a year ago. After starting thyroid medication 30 years ago, I have had to reduce my thryoid meds twice in the last two months.
Someone told me he knows an 85 year old retired schoolteacher who is a cancer patient on Clark's program who had done 125 flushes. He knew several other people that had done 30 flushes.
I have learned through research and especially my own experience over time that if I am going to get well, I have got to learn and then implement everything I can regarding the care and feeding of my liver.
The flush has been one of the most powerful tools I've come across in recovering its function.
Hope this helps, Agnes.
Subject: 37 Liver Flushes = over 13,000 stones total
From: Mary < email@example.com >
Date: 12:41 Dec 18 2001
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:06:07 -0000
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Chinese Med & Gallstones
I have done 37 Liver Flushes over the last two years according to Hulda Clark 's methods in her "Cure For All Advanced Cancers" book for my own cancer.
The numbers of stones I pass each time are slowly, slowly decreasing.
What I have observed to be helpful in reducing the numbers of
stones; removing my Amalgam fillings, giving up all dairy including
butter, taking ozonated olive oil daily (see the book), Essiac tea,
and taking ground milk thistle seeds.
I might add that I have passed probably several hundred stones that
were 3/4 of an inch around and have now passed 2 stones that were 1
and 1/4 inch. Passing the big stones felt no different from passing
the very little ones. I have passed over 13,000 stones total, most,
obviously, quite small, probably the size of a lentil.
The most I've passed is 1400 stones at once, the least I've passed on a flush is 0(none).
Hope this helps someone.
"We find that “Hering’s Law of Cure” appears in the reversal process as healing takes place. In this process the body eliminates iatrogenic symptoms and diseases, those things caused by treatments that were suppressive in nature and usually involved a drug of some kind.
Latent settlements of any foreign accumulations leave the body mainly through the bowel as a liquified form of mucus or catarrh. For example, we had an asthma patient who received much relief from the tissue cleans-ing treatment but developed an extreme uterine abscess which broke shortly after the treat-ment and discharged the foulest material possible and continued for a month after. She lost extreme weight and will not gain until after the discharge culminates. She needed the assistance of a tissue cleansing treatment to bring on an elimination. This latent tumor or abscess was suppressed. Discharge from lungs, bronchials, head, ears and nose for 17 years, and of course, always suppressed it with some form of drug. I have said so many times-if you suppress or don’t allow a discharge to continue until you are clean inside, you will develop a growth-and she did just that."
Also, my back trouble is at
> certain points on my spine, and knowing about Traditional
> Chinese Medicine, I wonder what it may mean. I had my
> neck MRId, and they found 2 buldging discs at C5/C6 and
> C6/C7. But I also have trouble at 2 other spots on my
> spine. One about arm pit level and the other at or just
> above waist level.
> Just wondering if anyone else has had strange experiences
> after a flush.
It has something to do with liver and with your thyroid gland.
Take seaweed daily.
Improve your diet. Avoid foods that kill !
Vertebrae Name....Areas Known To Receive Nerve Fibers From These Nerves
C1 .............Blood supply to the head, the pituitary gland, the scalp, bones of the face, the brain itself, inner and middle ear, the sympathetic nervous system.
> It has something to do with liver and with your thyroid gland.
> C5............. Vocal cords, neck glands , pharynx.
> C6............. Neck muscles, shoulders, tonsils.
> C7............. Thyroid Gland, bursa in the shoulders, the elbows.
Very interesting! I do have thyroid disease. Actually, Grave's
Disease which is a hyperactive thyroid. I was treated with
radioactive iodine, which made me hypothyroid, so I'm
on thyroid medication for the rest of my life. Also, I had a tonisllectomy as well because of chronic tonsillitis. Seems
to correlate well. However, these both occured in 1994 and
I have developed many other subsequent health problems since
(Interstitial Cystitis, Endometriosis, chronic low-grade fever,
...). So it doesn't seem to be going in reverse order.
I had the liver tests done, because I have been on Penicillin-VK
for a year for an elevated strep titer. My titer finally came
down to normal, but the antibiotics has helped my Interstitial
Cystitis pain tremendously. I'm symptom free until I try to
quit. My doctor recently switched me to Augmentin for a period,
and I've been on it 10 days, but I'd like to quit. I know it's
not good for me. It helped my rashes/itching by 75%, and my
bladder by 100%. But the medication just seems to be covering
up symptoms only, at least for IC anyways. Also, during this
time, I've developed buzzing/vibration in my hands, legs and
trunk. Also some low-level noises in left ear. I don't
know if it's the drugs, or just coincidence, but these symptoms
do worry me alot.
> Ange said ...
> > It has something to do with liver and with your thyroid gland.
> > C5............. Vocal cords, neck glands , pharynx.
> > C6............. Neck muscles, shoulders, tonsils.
> > C7............. Thyroid Gland, bursa in the shoulders, the elbows.
> Very interesting! I do have thyroid disease. Actually, Grave's
> Disease which is a hyperactive thyroid. I was treated with
> radioactive iodine, which made me hypothyroid, so I'm
> on thyroid medication for the rest of my life. Also, I had a tonisllectomy as well because of chronic tonsillitis. Seems
> to correlate well. However, these both occured in 1994 and
> I have developed many other subsequent health problems since
> (Interstitial Cystitis, Endometriosis, chronic low-grade fever,
> ...). So it doesn't seem to be going in reverse order.
I have only done two flushes. My Gallstones never showed up on ultrasound, but I've had gallbladder/liver pain nonetheless. I cleaned out 150 stones the first time, and felt significantly increased discomfort for the next 3 days. Then I improved quite a bit. It seems like I feel my best right before the cleanse. (Probably because I'm eating no fat!) I just did my second cleanse last week, and only got out about 40 stones (gravel sized) I never really have "attacks" where there's a noticeable start and finish to my discomfort. It's just an awareness of my gallbladder or liver, and a tight, pinching feeling under my ribs. Anyhow, after my second flush, I felt about the same for a couple of days. Not worse, and not better. But now I have had a couple more days of a flare-up. I can't help but think that I'm helping my health by doing these cleanses. I would just like to have a day or two with absolutely no sensation in my upper right abdomen. Since it always seems to be there in some degree or another, I sometimes wonder if stones are the real problem, or if something else is going on.
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Yes me The last time I did my flush I felt like a truck hit me on my right rib cage...I was so sore! However I know that I felt way better in a week than I had felt so I can tolerate. It is very interesting how things relate...The points that effect me mostly when I flush is the point right above the last cervical, the liver spot near the floating rib...sorry I do not know the points by name....I tend to see the same stuff each time.
I hope this helps you to understand my situation a little bit better.
I have not only had Gallstones but also have a situation from a past disease
that is much too often a death sentence for those who have it. I have been
diagnosed as having had Hepatitis C or what was known as Serum Hepatitis and
Hepatitis A. I got Hepatitis C around 1968 but recovered from that,
somewhat. These showed up when I had my last blood tests done in November of
'99' after the liver attack I had because of having avoiding all fats,
including those that are considered as necessary as Essential Fatty Acids,
while attempting to rid my gallbladder of the stone that the doctors had
said I had.
The problem I'm up against is keeping my liver in the best condition I can
by eating the least amounts of saturated and hydrogenated fats that I can
and then too moderating just how many beverages with an alcohol content are
consumed. I'm very sensitive to my liver's condition and therefore tend to
feel it more than I would care to 'really' know it's there. I'd like it to
be working more in stealth like most all organs should normally work but
just plain eating tends to bring is to life and notability.
So, it's because of the Hepatitis C and A that I have the discomfort but not
what I can call pain. It really is just an annoyance more than anything
else. My last ultrasound also showed my liver looked healthy too but did
have enlarged bile ducts. I believe this is because of the flushes having
caused some stretching of them for a time period. I don't know how things
look today as I've not had any reason to go to the doctor or the hospital
for the last two and a half years. I thank Dr. Sandra Cabot for having
provided me the right information so that I could have some idea as to what
to do to take good care of my liver and therefore my general health.
I still do flushes. In fact I just did one yesterday. However, I do a flush
that I've developed to work along with the colonics I get, when I get the
time to go get them. It really is quite easy and quick compared to all the
other methods that are being discussed on this group.
Since when I get my colonics I do the controlling of my water supply and
waste I can tend to get myself more of what are known as liver dumps than
the colonist working the controls can do for me. I noted that my first
experience with attempting this I had some of the most definitive of liver
dumps I'd had to that date and the next day I had Gallstones show in the
first movement in the morning. How do I know they were gallstones? I picked
them out and opened them up. So, since that first experiment I now try to
make sure of the time I'm to get my colonic and take around three to four
ounces of extra virgin olive oil mixed with just plain old out of the waxed
paper container, not from concentrate, grapefruit juice around two to three
hours before I'm to be hooked up.
Did I get out any stones yesterday? Yeppers.... I got to take note of some
passing in the viewing tube and then when I got home and had to go one more
time before bed there were around ten or more small cholesterol stones in
the water with some flakes. I only checked two of them to make sure they
were stones. Did any show this morning? Nope.
One thing to note about the ones I checked was that because they were not
well formed I would be of the belief that they really were more likely from
I'm new at this and I am trying to figure out what kind of treatments are available for I'm not astute in what its called however, symptoms are the abundance of white small gravel in stools for over a year that are extrodinarlily painful at times to moderate pain as theses very hard gravel scrapes through the bowel and and always especially painful on my right side. Are these Gallstones and does one use a Gallstones cleave or a liver cleanse? Any enlightenment as to essay is causing it and how to fix would be great help to me, and very appreciated. Thanks, Ze
thank you for your words... I guess it is a time will tell thing.... it's
the stress getting to me! (Which I know is a major source of my problems!)
> I would like to help you to understand that flushing just starts the
> cleansing process of getting the gallbladder and live back to a healthy
> condition. It is much the same as trying to clean up an oil spill it just
> isn't all gotten with one quick swipe of a rag.
If this is only your second flush you are still too early to see the
final results. You shouldn't be discouraged until you do at least 10
flushes. I know it sounds tough but there may be a lot of stones in
the back of the gb that are moving forward to exit. You may have many
years of gunk and toxins to clear out. Rome wasn't built on one or
two flushes. :-) Keep flushing.
Some people are lucky enough to get the sludge, sand, or colic stones
out on the first flush but most of the stories and people in the
group are having to flush many times to get clear. We all want to be
the lucky flusher but unfortunetly it is more of a lifestyle change
of good dieting and cleansing over an extended period of time.
Also, if you gb is at the stage or age of producing stones and colic
you will most likely have to maintenance cleanse twice a year for the
rest of your life. That's seems to just be the name of the game here.
Even if you get them out with flushing, 50% of the people who start
producing symptomatic colic problems from stones will reaccure within
months or years again.
I had the same results as you and even after 8 cleanses and getting
over 2,000 of those liver globs of bile balls out of my body, I still
have the 1 cm hard stone in my gb laughing at me twice a week.
Laughing at me to the point of tears!!!
You should check your progress by ultrasound to see if you still have
a hard gb stone that is causing your colic. You need to know what it
is you are going into battle against. Some people don't know, or want
to know, but I think it is important to know your progress and exact
problem. 'Know your Stone" is my moto. Know what it is, why it causes
pain for you, and when it causes pain, control it, and start to
correct it once and for all. Good luck with that.
Some people do actually open a can of worms in as far as they awake
sleeping 'silent' stones. You will have to get those out as well now
that you have woken them up. It is good to wake them and get them out
before they cause you pain later. Good luck again if that is what you
did. I personally think you didn't do that but that you are still
experiencing the problem of your original colic. Stones in the gb
trying to move out the samller cystic duct is usually the cause for
colic, not sandy stuff in the ducts. Check ultrasound is all I can
suggest to be sure what is in your gb.
Hope this helps in some way. Do at least 10 flushes and then re-
evaluate your plan of attack, if you still have one. :-)
From: barry91162 [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2002 13:17
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
I'll ask you the same question I asked Dawn. Have you had ultrasound
to determine what size and number of stones you are dealing with
inside your gallbladder?
I've had 8 cleanses, and the colic will return for me after 2-7 days
because it takes that long for the large amount of oil to process
through my body. I'm sort of lubbed for a few days and then the colic
is back to it's usual self. Having the ultrasounds (I've actually had
4 of them because I've felt so good that I thought the problem was
gone) will keep you updated on the battle that you are facing.
Good luck with your cleanses. I hope you get that 'big one' out on
My ultrasound showed very tiny stones, mostly sludge, and not much at that, yet what excruciating pain I had! The pain is caused by the body trying to pass the stones/sludge through the narrow ducts. In my case, I never did have any big stones in my gallbladder(proved by post surgery lab report), but ultrasound has been known to miss them. And since I've passed a couple thousand stones in the 8 cleanses I've done,since my GB was removed, that, IMO, proves that pain could also be caused by the liver trying to pass stones.
>I have had an ultrasound and it tells me that I have lots of "gravel" but no
>big stones. So maybe I don't have any or maybe they are hiding...
>if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I have these very
>painful attacks??? this worries and frustrates me....
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:45:37 EST
Subject: Re: [gallstones] Re: Flush 2
In a message dated 4/5/02 11:14:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> My ultrasound showed very tiny stones, mostly sludge, and not much at that,
> yet what excruciating pain I had! The pain is caused by the body trying to
> pass the stones/sludge through the narrow ducts. In my case, I never did
> have any big stones in my gallbladder(proved by post surgery lab report),
> but ultrasound has been known to miss them. And since I've passed a couple
> thousand stones in the 8 cleanses I've done,since my GB was removed, that,
> IMO, proves that pain could also be caused by the liver trying to pass
This is interesting, Adrienne. I guess that's sort of what I was theorizing
about (but you phrased it so much better!). So a large amount of sludge
could cause similar problems as a big stone. It does make sense - I mean,
why should the gallbladder have the corner on pain in passing stones?
Gheez, when I think about how overworked and under cared-for our livers
generally are, it's no wonder that people end up in liver failure so often.
I'm just thankful that I discovered some of this stuff at a relatively young
"Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal."
Sure, gravel can build up on the walls of the gallblader, clog the
opening to the cystic duct, clog up the common duct itself as it
clings to the sides of the ducts and cause a colic attack. The small
stuff seems to create colic even more than a large stone. The large
stone will sometimes be too big to even block the mouth of the
gallblader and the bile will still flow past without obstruction.
Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something
that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can.
On the subject of gravel I want to say that today I used the Epsom Salts without the oil and I had tons of gravel spill out of me...and some that looked like stones....now I did not use any olive oil at all......any take on this?
There can be many reasons for this depending on many factors.
Those stones, gravel, sludge can come from your ducts relaxing from
the ES intake and cleaning out the excess from your last cleanse.
When was your last flush? I've found that for up to normally one
week, and even two weeks, that my body will continue to mini-flush as
I eat fats and as the oil finishes coursing through my system. This
is why a lot of mini-flushes happen when you are doing regular
flushing. Gravel can be in your gb, ducts, intestine, colon area and
may still be traveling out. Without the oil, you are missing the
contraction effect but with the ES you are getting a 'relaxing'
effect on many areas in your body.
As far as stones, that would depend on if they are hard marble formed
stones or if they are blobs of softer bile balls. Those blobs of bile
balls will normally travel out of your body with stool but an
excellerated effect could cause them to ball. Did you break one
open? You normally won't see that form of bile in your stool but an
intake of ES or mini-flush will eliminate them faster for better
viewing. If they were hard stones, congratulations on doing a flush
without oil. haha Or, they could have been hanging around from the
last cleanse. It would be great to contract the gb and get a full
flush without oil but it is a wishful thought only. :-)
No I didn't take particular interest in it all as we had lots going on around here today but had it not been so busy I would have investigated further about the stones....now it has been sometime before my last flush....I think it has been 3 weeks.....I was feeling really good this week until Friday when I had a cup of French Vanilla Cappuccino and then I felt awful all week-end that is why I started the ES today with the apple juice...I have drank a quart of apple juice today with a pear and I started to eat some pasta but it was mushy so I tossed it out. I am going to do a flush in a few days and see what happens but i want to wait until after that CT Scan if I decide to acquiesce with the doc's wishes.
Maybe you created sort of a mini-flush contraction within your gb by
drinking the cap and that tighening feeling was the sludge and stones
passing down to your intestines. Then, the juice and ES would relax
the ducts, intestines, and colon and the whole blasted mess came out
for you to see. Sounds good no matter how it came out, right?
Congratulations!!! Hope it helps to make you feel better.
But Barry, don't you think that the sandy stuff can be quite irritating on the delicate tissues inside? I know that when I have passed that amount of sandy stuff and I see it and think, "oh my word, no wonder my innards hurt so sorely". But you are right about the pain being different than a gallstone, I could imagine because I do believe I have passed them over the last 10 years and it feels like a knife so bad you lose your breath and then you wince and moan and soon after about 5 minutes it goes away.....oh I had that happen many times to me over the years and I bet it was from small stones moving out. Anyhow, I can't imagine having the kind of colic pain you describe from the one that laughs in your face, shame on it, anyhow, ROFLOL...your a nut! Have you tried accupressure?
Oh speaking of which, someone on the list before I went on digest a while back had mentioned ear flushing and wanted to know if it had to do with gallbladder....I found in my accupressure books that indeed that the two are related...I wish I had wrote myself a note where exactly I found it so I could post it to the list...I will keep my eyes peeled for it at best.
Ear flushing? I don't mind having my head down sideways in the toilet
but all those stones coming out my ears sounds pretty nasty. haha
I wish I had only sand and small stones causing colic on the way out.
Unfortunetly my gallstone is hard and over twice the size of my
cystic duct. Dieting hasn't decreased the size. 8 flushes over 4
months hasn't helped it either. I'll look into the ear flush before
Our parts are so wondrously connected....
My sister attended her first Tai Chi Dong class and did the part that treats sinuses. Her sinuses began to drain, and she was
unaware of any sinus "problem'"in herself.
Sometimes stones do not always show up on ultrasound. Another one
would be helpful in the near future just to make sure they didn't
miss one (or more) on the first scan. If you do a few flushes and
still have colic, that is when I'd check it again.
Also, the smaller ones (and gravel) could cause colic just as well.
The smaller gravel could be blocking your cystic duct or common duct.
One good thing is that the gravel is a lot easy to clean out in one
or a few flushes and hopefully your colic will stop. Bigger stones
that can't fit through the mouth of the gb are sometimes harder to
exit. Example; I've done 8 flushes and still have a 1 cm stone that
causes colic attacks. But like I said, you may not have something
like that and hopefully the flush will clean you out faster.
Please keep us posted on your progess.
--- In gallstones@y..., "Teresa French" wrote:
> I have had an ultrasound and it tells me that I have lots
of "gravel" but no
> big stones. So maybe I don't have any or maybe they are hiding...
> if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I have
> painful attacks??? this worries and frustrates me....
> still no stones, or any of the green things I saw in the first
> they were all in the big mess I passed first up an hour or so
> going looking to check that one!
> I can nearly eat!!! Off to have some juice now
I do get the feeling that a lot of the "stones" are passed during normal operations. I can't believe that withouth cleanses all these stones would accumulate in the liver. Perhaps the only cleansing required is when stones get "stuck" in the liver. Just an opinion.
I was wondering if the liver cleanse would still be effective if you put the Epsom Salt in apple juice or something besides water. I'm worried about the taste of the Epsom Salts . I am preparing to do the liver cleanse today, so I guess I will just experiment and see what happens. I have done a lot of reading in the last week and feel that this is what needs to be done to help me have more energy and not have unexplained aches and pains. I will post the results after I see what happens.