I've tried everything even daily toilet visits, nothing does seem to get rid of this poopy breath. My dentist said my oral health is fine. I had this tooth cavity before that was filled and now it's exposed again for I can smell the odor coming from it in my finger but the doctor said it's fine. And my cavity doesn't smell like poop. My saliva and my entire mouth smells like a_hole. I don't know what I'm gonna do now. It has always been like this since 12 years old but now that I'm in my 20s makes it even worse.
I'm gassy and easily gets bloated. I always have this sour feeling on my stomach whether empty or not. You think it's due to h pylori? Because even if I force my self to drink laxatives just to poo 2x a day, my breath is still the same. Suicide is the last option I'm considering. Doctors are clueless and opportunists!
Do you talk out of your ass? Might explain the ass breath. Just kidding. Good chance you have tonsiliths (tonsil stones). Do you get little white balls in your mouth/throat sometimes? These are very common and they come out of the saliva ducts in your arse I mean your tonsils. Sometimes you can see a tonsil stone stuck there in your tonsils and that little bugger can make your breath nasty. Get a flashlight and look in the mirror, poke your tonsils with the blunt end of a tooth brush and you might see one pop out. And keep a sense of humor about it all. Monsters can't scare you when you are laughing at them...
It's bacteria. Have your dentist scale/root plane your teeth and give you some antibiotics to get rid of the bacteria. Then use antimicrobial rinse and toothpaste along with a tongue scraper to maintain. That's what I'm doing now. It's costly but the cost of a funeral would be far more. My old dentist kept telling me there is nothing wrong with my teeth. I know there was nothing wrong with my teeth it's my breath that was the problem. I'm 35 and the dentist told me I have the teeth of a 24 year old. Fine and dandy, but help me with the problem I came here for. Sometimes you really have to tell them what you need. Run floss between your teeth and smell it. Scrap your tongue and smell it. where is the odor coming from?
Hey, I have pretty much the same conditions as you.
I went to an herbalist and he recommended juicing a cup of green cabbage every day for my mother who has h pylori
So I joined her as well, I didn't notice anything at first but as I kept drinking it I realized my bb was gone! I didn't have a nasty taste in my mouth, and the sporadic times where I can smell a leak of gas (apart from the usual fbo) was gone as well.
I gave up on the supplements, all I do is drink this every morning and stay away from irritants and even my limpy hair came back to life.
Right now I ate crap for 4 days straight since it was Thanksgiving break and the Bo is starting to come back, so for ur gas u should regulate what you eat.
Seriously don't think of suicide.
No, i can't smell my own fbo, but there are times when my
body LEAKS of fecal smell that I can actually smell in stuffy or stressful environments. After I drank cabbage juice those episodes did not occur until today. My stomaches are coming back after eating all those pumpkin pies -.- this winter break I'm going to try a cabbage juice diet for a week. I'll let you guys know of the results.
pumpkin and other kinds of squash are not allowed in my diet. what blood type are you? i've been on blood type b diet for months and my tummy only acts up when i take anything with tomato or chicken. both are not allowed in my diet, but they are the most commonly found on the ref as everybody at home loves them including me. but really no matter what i eat, still get this poopy breath. i'm sooo f***ing hate it. wanna die so that i will never annoy other people.
I saw your post on here. I am not sure where you live, but you should definitely explore colonics. Especially since you mentioned you have gas, bloating etc. Check out http://www.colonspas.com
Here are some other tips,
Pick up chlorophyll with mint flavour (at your health food store) mix some of this into water everyday it will help freshen your breath and help decrease gas.
Start taking probiotics every day. You may have a bacterial issue with not enough good flora in your bowel to keep you healthy.
You may have food allergies and might consider doing an elimination diet.
Laxatives irritate and harm your good bacteria in your body, stop using them. If you choose not to do colonics at the very least do enemas at home.
Hope this helps,
Marlena Roe CNP, RhA. Certified Colon Therapist
i've tried chlorophyll and am taking probiotics but never work... wondering maybe i have thyroid problems or h pylori. i wanna find out how patients' breath in both cases smells like. sure it's not tonsil stones because i don't get that sticky green phlegm all the time. i only feel like i wanna clear my throat but only clear mucus comes out. i'm sure it's my throat's the culprit. it has to be related to my being gassy and bloated all the time. i have a very sensitive stomach. i easily get constipated alternating with diarrhea. i'll try the cabbage thing but this veggie i rarely eat this veggie for the reason that it tastes awful. with parasitic cleanse, still waiting for more testimonials.
correction: i'm sure it's not my throat's the culprit. i'm currently on a blood type b diet eliminating all the possible food allergens. my diet is fine. i rarely eat sugar, pork, chicken, beans and i have never been into smoking, alcohol, etc. people can smell my poopy breath even beyond a meter distance. it's so horrible and embarrassing. i'm googling for matula and other herbal supplements. if anyone can testify about the effects on these herbs, i'll appreciate it. thanks for all your responses.
the simplest fix is to get a bottle of liquid chlorophyll from your local health food store (or capsules) Take tablespoon in a glass of water several times a day (or 3 capsules 3x day) Chloropyll neutralizes all bad odors
jolie pitt...i know exactly how you feel... i have the same problem..you could smell my breath across the room it was more than a meter...i have had a bo problem and breath problem since i was 10 and i could never beat it...its been over 20 years by the way....but i want you to know what i tried and it seemed to work...but your have to keep up with it...take enzymes with your food at every meal...i take 5 or 6....i know you said you tried probiotics but i found that if i take probiotics (about 6)with a heavy yogurt together (like greek yogurt... i dont know if i can mention brand names here but 3 of the letters in the yogurt is fag...its very thick and its 0% fat) thin yogurt does not work...if you take the probiotics and yogurt at nite before you go to bed and if your want during the day (but not at the same time you take enzymes) you will find an amazing difference.... i know how you feel ... i cant tell you how many times i contemplated suicide because of this....but i believe since you are still young it will work even better for you....you probably do need a cleanse...if you are interested i can give you the name of the one i use because i have tried many and this one is the best i have tried...good luck and i hope you read this... because i really thought i was the only one in the world with this problem....one last thing...it took 2 or 3 days for this method to work for me so it may not work for you overnite and it may take a week...but give it at least 5 to 10 days before you give up
thanks for the sympathy. i really need it. i forgot to also emphasized about my weird throat experience. i wonder why my nose is stuffy all the time i always have a hard time breathing at night. then i always had to clear my throat even when i don't have that phlegm we normally have from colds, flu, and sinus infections. i tried checking in the mirrow my throat has this tiny white pimple-like bump... could it be tonsil stone? it doesn't hurt and it can never be poked. and how does a breath of a tonsil-stone victim smells like?
I haven't tried essential oil of grapefruit for bad breath. Grapefruit is known to be cleansing. It's not listed in my reference books under "halitosis". Pretty well all of the essential oils are anti-bacterial, so it may help. The important thing is to make sure that you're using therapeutic grade essential oils, not poor quality ones or ones that have been watered down, etc.
I also sometimes use Thieves spray as a breath freshener. It works. You have to like spices though.
Unfortunately, I can't seem to keep house plants alive for long, but I agree Spud, mint leaves are a great idea too :)
Grapefruitseed extract works by killing excess bacteria you have, so if the cause for your BO / bad breath is excess bacteria, it will help kill them. However killing them is just a "patch remedy". You have to look at WHY you have excess bacteria in the first place. If you dont treat at the root of the problem, they'll just come back again after a while.
Reasons *why* you may have bacterial overgrowth could include a low functioning immune system that needs boosting, or although it sounds a little unlinked, it may be because the bad bacteria in your gut are really high and you need to start working from there, on your digestion. The 4 R protocol could be of help.
Sounds like Tonsil Stones. The little White things are probably Tonsil stones and they do stink like hell! Many believe that Tonsil stones is from your tonsils filtering out toxins and other bad crap in your body.
Not much research has been done about this (That I know of) and it blows my mind. There is ways to take care of it. One thing I would do every day is take something and push into your tonils and get those stones out. Thats what I did. The next thing I would do is start oil pulling. There is plenty of info on that.
Then start juicing and pumping high quality nutrition into your body. See what happens. Heck even look into H202 therapy. Detox your body man. And make sure to exercise and work up a good sweat on a regular basis.
Thanks for the hydrogen peroxide suggestion. I think it's my throat that's the problem. It creates a lot of phlegm feeling when there's not much that come out when I cough it out. Sometimes in the middle of my sleep when I sleep at my back, I just suddenly cough when my mouth is close. It feels like something's tickling my throat like a dirt is stuck.
Hello, I came across your post and I haven't read your entire feed, but here is the little bit if information that I know about breath that smells like poo. When I was at my natural doctor a few months back, out of the blue, for no reason she says to me, "Do you know that when your breath smell like poo its because the Ileocecal Valve is open. This valve is located between the ileum (last portion of your small intestine) and the cecum (first portion of your large intestine). Its function is to allow digested food materials to pass from the small intestine into your large intestine. The ileocecal valve also blocks these waste materials from backing back up into your small intestine. It is intended to be a one-way valve, only opening up to allow processed foods to pass through. However, when open, can cause horrendous bad breath.
I just thought I would pass this on as information. Hope it brings some sort of resolve to you.
I read over 2000 posts on chronic and persistent bad breath on another health forum going back 5 years. This is what I learned:
1. Acid Reflux causes irritation up to the nasal cavity and sinuses. It also upsets the acid balance in the mouth and can change the makeup of normal mouth bacteria and reduce the work of good scavenger bacteria. Acid reflux can be subtle (silent reflux) and not show up on tests, but it is now considered to be the number one cause of post nasal drip and chronic rhinitis, ahead of allergies. It is often mistaken for allergies.
2. Irritated sinuses lead to post nasal drip and sinus infections which can be subtle and not show up on cat scans
3. Post nasal drip mucous gives anerobic bacteria a place to breed on the tongue, particularly the back of the tongue that is in contact with the nasal mucous. Anerobic bacteria normally live in the gut and cause the smell we associate with feces. This is why often bad breath can "broadcast" across a room when you talk.
4. Tonsil stones cause bad breath but not all tonsil removals cure bad breath. Tonsil stones are the result of tonsil infection creating cavities in the tonsils. Tonsil infections are caused by post nasal drip from infected sinuses. Tonsil removal should be followed up with removal of sinus infection.
5. Often, people cannot smell their own bad breath as it gets blocked from consciousness. The hand lick test is bogus- anyone's saliva will smell with this test. It's a good way to sell mouthwash. A good friend or family member will help gauge the effectiveness of treatments.
6. It can be difficult to restore normal mouth conditions for normal bacteria colonization even after the cause of the mouth imbalance (usually acid-alkaline Ph) is cured.
7. Odor coming from the stomach or intestines is very rare.
8. Candida yeast fungus infection is a rare cause of chronic and persistent bad breath. Candida causes coated tongue and mouth surfaces and can be scraped. Chronic and persistent bad breath invariably includes a coated tongue. This, non-candida, coated tongue will not scrape or brush off and is the result of anerobic bacteria fastened to the cell walls of the tongue. Geographic tongue is a breeding ground for anerobic bacteria.
9. Most bad breath is not chronic and persistent and will respond to topical breath care products, herbal remedies, diet changes, etc.
10. Chronic and persistent bad breath is a handicap like any other, and can change your life for the worse. It requires strength of character to endure, patience and hard work to overcome, and an ability to cope with rejection and embarrassment and isolation. It is emphatically NOT the end of the world, however, and you can use the non-social time to improve your mind, learn about the world, explore interests and discover that you are much, much more than what is reflected off people.
I would also add to the list of things that cause bad breath
11.) Poor oral hygiene
14.) Diabetes in rare cases (bad breath is the smell of ketosis here - like bad apples)
15.) Liver problems in some rarer cases can lead to bad breath. This doesn't have to be serious liver problems. It could just be a sluggish liver, sluggish due to certain nutrient deficiencies or due to toxin overload.
Thanks for the additions, but my post was to alert folks to the likely causes of CHRONIC and PERSISTANT bad breath that does not respond to the usual over the counter remedies. Believe me, people with difficult bad breath have tried everything and have had to fight against wrong diagnoses and indifference in the medical community in order to get the diagnostic tests and medical procedures done that will actually relieve them of their bad breath.
These are people who have lost jobs, relationships and families and are forced to battle depression and hopelessness because actual remedies have traditionally eluded their many efforts. And on top of everything, there are hucksters who take advantage of their desperation by promising that their expensive products and treatments will cure them. They don't. The stories that are available to anyone online, show what has worked and what has not worked.
From what I've learned, claims of liver toxicity are vague, anecdotal and non-scientific. The same can be said for colonic, gall bladder and renal toxicity. From my reading of thousands of posts about chronic and persistent bad breath, it was evident that the various liver, colonic, bladder and renal "cleanse diets" were ineffective in stopping the kind of bad breath that I am describing.
I posted my findings so that I might save people who suffer from difficult bad breath from wasting their time and money and feeling crushing discouragement which makes a hard life only harder. I suffer from chronic and persistent bad breath. In my case it is caused by geographic tongue (benign migrating glossitis). It's cause is unknown and there is no cure at present other than what I posted. None of the herbal or cleansing diet remedies that are popular have worked for me, nor do they work for others in my category of bad breath.
It should also be pointed out that there is a real possibility that psychological factors play a role in bad breath issues. Chronic low level anxiety is known to reduce immune system response and immune system response includes oral bacterial scavenging of gram positive anerobic bacteria which release volatile sulfur compounds (VSC's) which are the odors associated with bad breath.
When you are in a terrible state from bad breath psychologically, it's also comforting to know you're not the only one, thanks to posts like this.
I totally agree with you on the stress-induced immune-lowering. VERY important point! If you get a can nip what's driving anxiety/ stress, it would definitely be a great help.
Regarding geographic tongue, Traditional Chinese Medicine specializes in tongues and understanding what's going on in the body through looking at the tongue. I dont know if you've tried this option (and I know it's not that scientific - but I've spoken to a lot of people who say Chinese medicine is amazing and has really helped them). I just thought I'd mention it :)
i finally got rid of it guys! im so freakin excited to start my life im 30 years old and had this problem since i was 14.nobody knew what it was, not the dentist or doctors they sucked and wre a waste of time.i didnt think it was my wisdom teeth but that was the problem i was cured. my freakin breath smelled worse than crap ot was like sewage and now its been a month and im sure its gone.i cant lie sometimes i get paranoid when im in a confined room because of so many bad experiences you guys know what im talking about.i had asked the dentist if it was my wisdom teeth giving me bad breath and he said he didnt think it was,he was so wrong.just to think if i would of gotten them removed a long time ago.excuse my grammer my writing sucks but im copying and pasting this on all the forums incase it can help someone else.i got all 4 wisdom teeth removed and bad breath is totally gone except for some normal morning breath i can actually go to church now and sit beside people and not panic you guys who have this problem know that little things like that are huge for us.
Thank you for your post. I'm going thru this for a year and want to ask if you had dry tongue, white tongue or burning felling on your tongue?
I'm following up with my oral surgeon & she saw pockets in my molars thru xray to see if the pockets are producing this fecal, fart, moldy odor. My teeth are fine from going to the dentists but she found this hopefully I get answers tmrrw bc it has dramatically changed my life, work, social living.
Thank you for your time.
I'm not a fan of fasting or "cleansing". The term "cleanse" is vague and poorly defined. I'd need to see some double blind studies that doing so does any good and does not do harm. I think that generating a phobia about "toxins" is manipulative and plays upon the desperation of the sufferer. Nobody names these "toxins" or demonstrates that they exist or what effect they have. People assume they exist because other people assume they exist. It's a dog chasing its own tail.
I'm pretty much convinced that so-called "cleansing", if and when it might have a positive effect, is more the result of the placebo effect and works off whatever psychological component could be adding to the case.
I've read too many cases where "cleanses" have had no permanent effect on this condition, almost all of them, actually.
When I did my first fruit juice cleanse, I was amazed at the results (I felt and looked better, etcl), I thought it made sense to give the digestive system a rest. I look at it as a kind of maintenance, similar to when we do oil changes on our vehicles.
To me, it seems that if our digestive system is cleaned out, it should help with bad breath. In simple terms, it's one long tube and if something is rotting inside, the smell will be noticeable.
Different things work for different people. For me, the one thing that has helped me the most is fruit juice fasting.
I think it's like anything else. If we do it and then go right back to our old habits, not much will change. It's when it's part of ongoing lifestyle changes that it will help the most, IMO.
One word of caution though: bad breath will temporarily get worse during fasting, while things are being eliminated. It gets worse before it gets better.
I've had bad breath for years, and 5 months ago it has turned on a fecal smell. My doctor put me on antifungals and antiacids for 2 weeks, but didn't work. The BIG problem for me, it's that I got a HORRIBLE fecal/rotten egg/ urine body odor.... it's simply awful to live whit this disease. So during my looong research trying to get rid the stench , i found out that PROBIOTICS can cure bad breath and body odor.
I've tried it and IT WORKS for me, they completely clear up all the stench coming from the mouth. Fecal bad breath can be a symptom of imbalanced flora in the gut. You can purchase it in any pharmacy or health store, the price can be from 10 pounds to up 30 pounds. I'm currently taking 1 or 2 capsule daily of a 10 billion ( this is the potency) probiotics. Normally you can find 2, 3, 4 billion probiotics potency, but I advice you trying whit 10 billion potency. It's better if you take on empty stomach in the morning but it depends. Most of them they need to be refrigerated but not all of them. It's possible that at first you should increase your dose to quickly rebalanced the flora, then you can keep the dose at 2 daily.
I 've never thought about this before, because I've never had any gastrointestinal complaint. But it works for me. Try it please, it's not expensive and this is a good thing for your gut even if you don't have bad breath. It's particularly necessary during and after antibiotic.
Don't be afraid, it's not because I got also the fecal body odor, that you will have this as well. For me and many of Fecal body odor suffers , it's a living hell. I known that having also "only" fecal bad breath is not easy to live. This smell is destroying my life;
Every day I look for solutions trying to get rid this AWFUL body odor, but at least I 've found out a solution for bad breath. It's so strange that it works for BB but not for BO. I'm sure that it works because before I put my finger down my throat and an horrible stench of poo was coming off. I also noticed the reactions of people of course ... parents told me, and I just felt not clean inside. Now, it's gone.
Oh, try also some digestive enzyme when you have an "heavy meal" or when you eat protein.
Thanks for your input and detailed experience. The thing is, I tried probiotics for months and it made me smell like onions or something to that effect. Onions sauted in a pan gives off an aromatic smell but mine is way stronger that that that neighbors and passers by at our house can smell it. I've also smelled like urine before if I eat plenty of meat. This onion smell is the worst thing ever that I still occasionally get. Yesterday, I could not pinpoint what caused it, it just exploded after I took a shower and persisted until this very early morning. I only drank a glass of water after meal, none in between. Then eggs and tomatoed fish. That was all for yesterday. Then suddenly I smelled like someone's sauteing onions in the pan. Horrible!
I've been smelling like garbage, urine, dead rat, and onions.
That gives me enough reason why I should commit suicide instead of prolonging all the embarrassments I experience.
It's so unfair why other people with unhealthy lifestyle, addiction, and everything are not suffering the way I do.
Bad breath is still an issue for me but I can always avoid talking to people. The onion smell is just too embarrassing.
Think I need to buy activated charcoal again. huh? I feel like I'm much worse than people with AIDS and cancer. I'm just holding back my tears every night. I hate life because no matter what I do it won't give me the happiness I've been longing for.
I know what does it means , believe me, onion smell is horrible, but be sure that stinking like poo or a fart is much worse. Anyway all those bad smell are just not acceptable. I 'd also prefer to have a cancer that smelling like we smell. Why? Simply because those people who are suffering from cancer they have medical support and understanding, family and friends are nice and compassionate whit them and other people as well. Maybe there is a cure for them, and doctors do everything for them.
But we are just stink people, very healthy in appearance, but EVERY DAY and EVERYWHERE we go, we have to deal whit harrassement, ridiculos, laughing, " take a shower", " you are disgusting", people talking behind back, even family. IT' S JUST TOO MUCH. NO NORMAL LIFE is possible for us. No friends, no boyfriend, no work. I'm unemployed right now and I don't know how I can do to get a job whit this condition. During interview , people can smell me. IT' S WEIRD. Simply they don't call me back. I don't know the way I can survive. I need money and I need work. Bui I can't. It's like A PRISON. I'm really good looking girl, but I can't even be a prostitute, because you have to have a " good appeareance", and whit this smell, it' simply impossible.
So, I know what does it means. Very soon, I will have problems to simply SURVIVE, because I need a job, and I don't know what to do. Doctors don't recognise us as SEEK people, but just stinky. Goodbye. No insurance, no help, no life. It's a nightmare.
But i refuse to think to suicide. Simply I think that I'm not born like this, and that IT MUST GO AWAY. There is a cause, but still we don't know .
Many people in this forum found a cure. Please, think that you have HEALTH PROBLEM, it's not your fault, you need help. No matter how long it will takes. IT MUST GO AWAY.
I have also loose so much weight during this months. I don't understand. I thought to a virus, bacteria, but all test are negative. I'm now triying Apple Cider Vinegar.even if I don't have GERD complain, because sometimes it can be silent symptoms; GERD can cause BAD BREATH, weight loss, but also weight gain ,and body odor.
YOu should try it, anyway it's not harmful for your body, it's full of vitamins. I have never try Charcoal, I know that it's good for bacterial in the gut, but remeber that it will also take away many important nutrients in your body, like magnesium, zinc, etc; so I think it's good but not for long time.
JoliePitt, don' think to suicide. Think how much life will be WONDERFUL after you solve this problem, how much you will be strong, because after having survive with this daily humiliation, nothing will be impossible for you.
Thanks a lot. I'm not alone. We seem to have the exact experience. I'll try apple cider vinegar. To give you an update with the 'onion' smell, I don't smell it today fortunately. Yesterday I stopped my neti pot routine and add a pinch of baking soda to my drinking water. Not sure if that has something to do today, but I'll keep doing it.
you made me cry....i kno EXACTLY what you are going through. you are not alone.
i know the embarrassment. everyone at work joking about it, and they think ya dont know they are talking about you. i know the feeling of just wanting to be normal. to be able to speak at any moment without some weird funkdafied smell smelling up the whole room.
dude, i get it.
i have thought of suicide so many times ive lost count. i also have sobbed myself to sleep angry at God.
i dont know if you believe in God, but the way i have been trying to view this horrible smell issue is that God knew i could handle it. He knew it would be hard, that i would contemplate life and death....but He knew i could rock it.
try to take a perspective of how f***ing tough you are. how there are so many pansies out there who could NOT deal with what we deal with every day.
respect yourself love yourself and if people are too narrow minded to love you the way you are, then you dont need them in your life...
Hello, I need help !!!! I am suffering of fecal bad breath for about 13years. I have seen 10-15dentist, they all say I have healthy gum and nice teeth. They have done and redone some fillings through the years, I wash my teeth 3-4x a day, floss, scrape my tongue, mouthwash, I've excellent oral hygiene, just like most of the BB sufferers:)
I went to a halitosis specialist, he treated me for Volatile Sulfur Compounds (VSC's), but unfortunately that wasn't the source of my bb. All it did dried my mouth so bad, that I was constantly drinking water, otherwise I never had dry mouth. Then I went to see a GI doc, she did Barium X-ray, Endoscopy, all they found was H pylori, which was treated with antibiotics but everything else was normal and negative. By the way the H pylori stool test came back negative, but I insisted the endoscopy and the doc saw mild inflammation on my stomach lining. I know a lot of ppl had positive results while on antibiotics or with the eradication of the H pylori not for me:( not even for 1 day. Then I had Paranasal Sinuses X ray ... came back negative, then saw an ENT doctor, who said evthg looks normal. I never had sinuses, tonsillitis, stones, ear or throat infection, he recommended to remove my glands, which I'm hesitating, since I never had problem with it. Neither any kind of problems with my stomach, other than I only have one bowel movement a day, sometimes I feel constipated, but I have at least 6 times a week, which doctors say considers normal. The only change while I was on antibiotics that I had 2x a day, I was shocked how much came out of me (sorry, not trying to disgust anyone, just maybe some of u had similar problems) I eat very healthy, I'm 5'7 and 118lbs, I exercise, take vitamin, probiotics, digestive enzymes, drink a lot of water, no soda, don't smoke, drink socially. I tried to cut off sugar, yeasts, coffee, I tried for weeks, nothing has changed. The GI doc said I do not have Candida Overgrowth . I am so determined to find the source of my BB after all these years, I can't understand how my bfriend can handle me, he never tells me anthg other than did u fart once in couple of months, my friends neither, noone said anthg never, so I assume it can only be smelled from close, I can't smell it, only on the subway when I stand under the AC and blows this shitty smell right back on me (happened many times, so I know that's my smell :((((( And off course all the doctors said they don't smell anthg, expect the halitosis doc since the halimeter measured way above bad breath... Anyhow the GI doc is giving up on me, saying I'm totally healthy, there are no other tests she could do. I am trying to convince her to do the intestinal bacterial overgrowth and food intolerance- even tough I dont have any symptoms, no pain, or bloating.. . Can anyone recommend anything else? Shuold I have my glands removed? Sorry for the long post and thanks for any advice, tip, comment. Please ignore my mistakes, English is my 2nd language :)
I have experienced the same medical condition for the past 13 years. I am 38 years of age and weigh 53 kilos. I am healthy however I suffer from anxiety due to this medical condition.
I have had the following tests/checks:
Tonsils - removed;
Endoscopy/Colonoscopy 10 years ago - everything was fine/normal.
Dentists - many times over the years and everything is normal.
Breath Tests - Hydrogen and Methane - results came back that I produce hydrogen and have intolerances to Sorbitol, Xylitol and Mannitol - which are effectively natural sweetners and are in a lot of fruits, chewing gums, mouth washes etc. My breath tests for sucrose and glucose came back normal.
Ear, Throat and Nose Specialist confirmed everything is fine/normal;
Numerous blood tests over the years all coming back average;
Bowel - everything is healthy;
I have spent hours and hours over the years researching this terrible, embarrassing condition. It's true, nobody understands what we are going through however we need to remain resilient. Stay strong and be positive as we will fine a cure/a way to decrease the problem.
I went in and had another endoscope completed a couple of weeks ago. I demanded the specialist test me for the following:
Leaky Gut Syndrome, H Pylori, Lufenurom and TMAU.
To be honest after researching TMAU, I believe this is my condition however I excrete a feces smell, not a fish odour. I'm waiting on my test results for the TMAU as it takes three (3) weeks. The test is just a urine test however it is a rare disorder so you may need to brief your Gastro Specialist on the disorder/condition.
The reason I feel I suffer from TMAU as my condition is worst when I eat red meat and fatty foods. I really notice when I eat oily foods and big meals, especially with red meat. I really feel quite sick when I eat fatty foods. I also believe it is coming from the stomach, nothing else can make your breath smell this way. It's obviously getting into the blood stream from the belly to the liver.
I'm interested to see if anybody else has looked into TMAU.
In the meantime I will continue to go vegetarian, eating lots of fruits and vegetables, eliminating as much Sugar as possible from diet and continuing with the probiotics.
10. Chronic and persistent bad breath is a handicap like any other, and can change your life for the worse. It requires strength of character to endure, patience and hard work to overcome, and an ability to cope with rejection and embarrassment and isolation. It is emphatically NOT the end of the world, however, and you can use the non-social time to improve your mind, learn about the world, explore interests and discover that you are much, much more than what is reflected off people.
I understand your pain and dilemma. I am currently out of work due to quitting my job for being tormented because of this problem. It has been very difficult for me to hold a job because this problem has followed me no matter where I go. I cannot handle being the brunt of jokes, laughter, insensitive comments, and judgment. I even had an elderly co worker hand me a handful of peppermints,and told me to eat them all. People automatically assume that you have bad hygiene with this problem. I can understand the reason for others feeling this way, but it is far from the truth. My oral hygiene is impecable. I have grown obsessive compulsive about the problem. I used to have a wonderful social life, but this horrible smell has destroyed my confidence and every aspect of my personal and professional life along with it. I've used every commercial product which is guaranteed to get rid of bad breath. Also, I've used herbal products as well. For at least five years, nothing seemed to work. In desperation, because I was actually thinking of suicide after the peppermint incident at work, and another co-worker walking down the aisle where my desk was located, spraying perfume.. Oh, I forget to mention the sudden onset of coughs of others who are around me when I am shopping in a store. I felt helpless. I looked up every possible remedy which I had not already tried before. I am not sure.... But... I THINK I am on to something. The reason I say this is because my tongue is pink again. I haven't seen my tongue pink in nearly six years! I have only gotten whiffs of an occasional poop smell in the past. I could never smell the obviously wretched smell others got when I was around, but I've had people say it smells like sh** whenever I came around and wasn't speaking, I've had people cover their nose when I speak, look away, or even give a facial expression for wanting to gag. I couldn't smell it directly, but my mouth was always HOT and coated with white... Also, I would get tonsil stones which smelled like the devils butt when I would remove them. So, I knew I had a big problem for the way other people treated me and the smell of the tonsil stones when I took them out. These boogers smell so bad a part of me said I understood why people acted how they did toward me. My mouth feels different and lighter. I will list all that I've tried and list what has finally given me a pink tongue and the feeling of fresh breath again. I am not sure if it's a single thing... or a combination.... My bathroom is like a grocery store for dental care products. Here's a list of everything I've tried in the beginning:
Seasalt , baking soda, and hydrogen peroxide gargles
tea tree oil and water gargles
cayenne and water gargles
gentian violet tongue painting
crest clinical toothpaste
baking soda and peroxide toothpastes
crest clinical mouthwash
waterpick (very effective for removing tonsil stones)
every gum on the market
oil pulling with olive oil
oil pulling with coconut oil
Here is what I've been using lately while I've gotten a pink tongue:
oil pulling with oil of oregano (burns like heck... but so much of gunk came from the tongue and mouth--- something is working with this stuff)
nasal rinses with collodial silver (a hard mass on the inside of my nose is disappearing... thinking maybe I had a fungal sinus infection)
myrrh gum capsules (said to remove bacteria and freshen breath)
activated charcoal capsules (said to absorb toxins... I take 12 at one time.... I think it's doing something... fyi.. It makes you smell like smoke or a barbeque pit.. maybe because I've taken so many... but the smell goes away in a couple of days.. I feel lighter, my skin is so much better)
Oil of organo capsules (for any internal infection or toxins)
Chlorophyll tablets (said to cleans the blood of toxins and freshen the breath)
Zinc (supposed to keep mouth bacteria from reproducing
cayenne capsules (increases blood flow... increases internal body heat as well, lol)
multivitamin for women
occasional tea tree oil gargles to kill any bacteria
brush with baking soda and peroxide after oil pulling
crest clinical protection toothpaste for daily use
****The product which made the biggest difference almost instantly is oil pulling with pure oil of oregano**** It burns, but so much of icky stuff came out of me... It was far less painful than the ridicule I've experienced from people... I haven't tested it by talking to someone up close... But the appearance of my tongue and fresh feeling gives me a renewed sense of confidence already!!! Also, I have an orabrush... It works wonders!!! It is not sold in walmart
You may have GERD gastro esophageal reflux disease. Take 6 align probiotics a day. 2 in the morning two at around 3ish and 2 at night. Try it for atleast 2 weeks to see results. Quit coffee, alcohol and soda to prevent wiping out these good bacteria.Also you should go on a yeast free diet.
I am so sorry you are having this experience. I promise you it will change with patience and the right action on your part. Do not worry, just stay with it, and be around people who love you in a meantime. Do things you enjoy and that bring you enjoyment when you are alone. This type of smell is a variety of issues. First of all you must be careful of your diet. Eat an alkaline diet with many vegetables and very little White Sugar . Honey is okay. The primary issue is that your chi has become toxic. You need to move your chi. Meditation is wonderful for this. Practicing Vipassana meditation, which is observing your bodily sensations in silence without tensing up or interfering, allows your chi to move of its own accord. This is vital - sitting in silent presence for 15-45 minutes per day. Also, being in nature, walking, jogging, or swimming. Water is very good for moving chi. So changing your diet, being in water, and meditation. Doing some simple yoga would help as well. Doing these simple things will change this situation over time. Do not fret. You will heal. Blessings.
Look up liver congestion, it will cause low bile flow and thid can cause the problems you are having and more! The answer is liver flushing maye one a month and diet change to fruits and vegetables and plenty of water. Google liver congestion and liver gallbladder flush.
Start taking probiotics found at health food store (not gnc or the vitamin store) that will clear up any intestinal problem and shoud help with bloating and gas. Have a second opinion done on your oral health....not a good sign
I just got my poop breath cured after feeling embarrassed for years. I do have gingivitis and yes I was getting tooth cleanings 4X a year but just the other day the doctor found a 5mm pocket next to a crown. The crown was aiding in the food packing I believe. The dentist for years told me to floss and use a water pick. I did that but since I recently got a job that I want to keep, I pushed the dentist to figure out where the poop smell is coming from. He took my crown off because that is what we thought it was but then the tooth next to it, is where we found the pocket. It would have been hard to reach with the crown on. I am not telling you to do this, but if you are super careful and follow the shape of your tooth you can use a tool that can clear under your gums somewhat. I believe I am more at risk because of gum receding so I use this tool to get under my gums. You can buy it at cvs and it comes with a mirror. I have to be really meticulous because there is space between my gums and my teeth where food gets stuck. Currently I have medicine in the pocket and there is no poop smell. Before if I used mouthwash or chewed gum the poop smell would flare up horribly. I know that it is working and we found the spot. I am also taking culturelle.
It is also very good that we figured this out because you are at risk for tooth loss with these pockets that pack food. I lost a really good job due to this issue. People were talking about me and didn't want to work with me. I thought I was going kill myself at some points. Eventually I started working part-time or here and there just to keep income.
Please understand that ultimately it is up to you to keep fighting to figure this out and yes at one point I thought it was my gut. I am not sure if some of you are suffering with undiagnosed gastric reflux. Please search into this. The gut contents initially go the right way and then it returns back up to your throat with an acid poop smell.
I am so glad that this situation is figured out but I am still going to monitor it and continue to take better care of my teeth. I send my wishes to you all. Trust me when I say, I know how you feel, I lived it. Please don't give up and don't quit your jobs or totally go into seclusion. You will need the money to fix this issue in the long run. Just brush more and floss more till you can figure it out. Use a non alcoholic mouth wash, hydrogen peroxide and honestly minimize talking to some degree if you can. That may help you to cope with this.
I am not implying to use the tool to do a deep cleaning, leave that to the dentist. What I am talking about is to pick some of the food off the tooth that floss can't reach. The dentist needs to clean out your pocket and depending on the size apply the medicine.
Doing this will allow the gums to come closer to the teeth that have this issue. You will feel discomfort while flossing especially if you have gum disease but don't worry. It means you are flossing correctly. Over time the pain will lesson and sometime reappear but not to the same degree of how it started. I am adding tips that I remember helped me.
I have one more huge tip for you. I also saw a periodontist. He did a full gum check and told me I had pockets but he acted like he couldn't help. You have to be very specific and ask if the pockets are deep enough to pack food and cause a poop smell. The poop smell is due to the break down of food, and certain gases being creating in your mouth, it is similar to what happens in your bowels. Food can not stay in those pocket,it is suppose to be digested if it is going to breath down. Your teeth are smart they don't want anything to do with gum inflammation, so they back away literally. Anyway you need to see a gum doctor if the dentist cannot help you. Sometimes they aren't very good with gum issues and they may be embarrassed to admit it. A gum doctor will be able to give you a special gum cleaning. I know it can be embarrassing an expensive, also we as people lead busy lives but if I could do it all over again I would have worked on fixing this sooner. Pregnancy also has an effect on gum disease. Please research this ladies. At least get tooth cleanings. You can't grow your gums back and replacing teeth is not the same, in terms of quality compared to your real teeth.
I use The Doctor's Brush Picks. They are interdental picks and I also use Oral-B super floss. I was using the CVS super floss but I would break it apart because it was really thick.These tools are helping my gums to come closer to my teeth, which supports the pocket closing, however you still need the pocket cleaning, and root & scaling by the dentist or periodontist. Once your gums come closer to your teeth you need to adjust the size of what you are pushing through your gums. You could cause serious damage to your gums. Some of the brushes, floss and picks will be harder to get through. Use tools that you can get through.I forgot to mention that the poop smell was coming from more then just one tooth but I narrowed it down to one with the dentist help. Pay attention to wear you smell the smell. At first it was coming from the right side of my mouth, later the left and then just a small part of the left.
Please consider eliminating all your teeth, I know it's extreme but I had the same problem for many years it went away... I have no more bad breath. ..I still have my bottom teeth, they were cleaned deeply. And I had to Remove my upper teeth, try deep cleaning first..if that doesn't work then you must extract your teeth. ..like I said my bad breath went away, , I'd rather have no teeth then bad breath. ..just saying. .. POOPLESS BREATH...
Breath that you can smell across the room is a dairy allergy or lactose intollerance. Very distinctive smell (not necessarily poo though) that can fill a room with foul smelling breath. It's because your body can't break down the dairy and expels the gas through your lungs as you breathe. Note this folks who say you're gassy or bloated. Get rid of all dairy from your diet. This includes cheese, ice cream, etc. Check food labels to make sure there's no hidden dairy. Remove yogurt also. You can try to add yogurt again later if your body can tolerate it. I know that sometimes I can't stay away from the dairy because I love ice cream. Just know that once you do dairy your your breath will stink for like 3 days. The closer you adhere to this, the fresher your breath. Even a small amount would trigger my dragon breath as my son called it. Interestingly, after I gave up dairy, I lost 20 pounds in a month. Likely because most items with milk also have a lot of sugars and carbs.
Breath that smells like poop, from what you've said, is coming from your allergies, which could be the dairy issue, or another allergen in your environment.Your lactose intolerance may make your sinuses stuffy and drain down the back of your throat. If you don't clear that daily your breath WILL smell like poop. No doubt. This will make dairy intollerance breath fill a room with the smell of poop. Do a nasal lavage to keep that stuff moving out of your throat. I do two a day. The Netti pot won't give you the force you need. Get the lavage that has the squeeze bottle. Use saline. I also add a teaspoon of peroxide once a day which my dentist says helps my teeth. When you first use the peroxide, you will get the bubbles. It's fighting any infection you have in your sinuses. This will settle down after the first few times. Also a great way to stay free from colds.
This has been my experience. I've vbeen doing this for six years and dentist says my teeth and gums are better for it. The peroxide I mean.
Hi, I was just replying to this an noticed it was 2010!! Oh well, I'm here now so might as well talk to myself about my experience... I had exactly the same problem for years... I tried everything. The problem is that the Internet tells you that you might have candida for example but finding out if you have it then finding treatment is very difficult. I literally trawled the Internet looking for help. I found it at fecal breath . Co m. Basically my stomach wasn't working properly. Go healthy and take tablets like golden seal... Anyway, it's all listed, I followed what they said to the letter and it's worked.. I've e mailed them recently to add 'sipirulina' powder to the programme.... Worked with me! Good luck with it
Ever since I took a fluoroquinolone antibiotic in February, my gut has been really screwed up. I'm actually suffering a lot of side effects from the drug that mimic candida, including insomnia, joint pain, fatigue and tinnitus. Because I have a white coating on my tongue, though, I've surmised that the antibiotic killed all the bacteria in my gut and has made way for Yeast Overgrowth (and probably leaky gut, too).
I started a candida diet and anti-fungal protocol over four weeks ago. Been rotating antifungals, started with caprylic acid, then SF722 by Thorne Research, then oil of oregano, and now colostrum in combination with caprylic/SF722. I've been taking probiotics (pills and sauerkraut) and did a whole month's word of S. Boulardii, as well. My stools vary in appearance. The past week I was having very nugget-like stools that were hard to push out (despite drinking at least two liters of water a day and eating many fibrous veggies). After I finished the boulardii, I had two instances of loose stools (a few that clouded up the toilet water). I was having diarrhea a lot more post-Rx.
Lately, I've been noticing I have these white specks in my stools. Could this be candida biofilm? Parasites?I haven't completely eradicated the fungus yet because I do have that white coat on my tongue still. I took a shot of my very voluminous stool this morning. A lot more actually ended coming out after that. I did recently add almonds back into my diet, but these were showing up before that, too.
(By the way, that string of mucus-lookin' thing in the right corner is just reflection from the water. I didn't see it when I first looked at it, then saw it on my screen, and double-checked and it wasn't there)
In general, I feel like I'm having more bowel movements than I did pre-Rx. At least three a day. I know some people can develop SIBO in my situation, but I don't know if I have the symptoms. I'm not bloated and I wouldn't call my gas excessive. I do have a fair bit of acne on my face, which could be gut-related, but I also think my hormones are out of whack, I'm stressed out etc., and I was acne-prone before all this, too. I just had my progestin-only IUD removed about two weeks ago, so I think it'll take time for things to come into balance.
If anyone can relate to any of these symptoms or tell me what they think is going on based on my stool pic and explanation, I'd greatly appreciate it.
hi there! i dont know if you're still active on this page or website, since your post was from 6 months ago, but i wanted to reach out anyway and tell you that i have the same issues with my bm's. i dont digest food or fats and they look almost exactly like yours, and actually are often so loose that they completely fall apart. i had a stool test done and it showed high levels of yeast, but im not convinced that yeast is the root cause of my issues. did you ever end up finding the root of your issues? ive been considering that with the fat and food malabsorption, we both could have sibo. and i dont have bloating either , which made me hesitant at first about this diagnosis. i hope you've found answers by now. if you want to talk you can message me too.
To digest fat, you need bile.
Bile is produced by liver and concentrated by gallbladder.
To increase the amount of bile production and secretion, regular liver flushing is recommended.
Also consuming more fat in diet can help.
Other things that help are bitter herbs, coffee enema an physical exercises.
Onc bile flow through liver, bile ducts and intestines is normalized, intestinal flora will also normalize itself.
while that is true, there is a reason that the bile is not flowing freely, and given my history and diagnoses of hashimotos, which includes bloodwork that points to some sort of infection, i can gather that my bile is not freely flowing due to some other factor. i have candida and i have a low thyroid---both of which prevent proper bile flow. so, even if someone does do liver flushing over and over, if the gut is still leaky,the candida is still systemic, and the hormones are not at their proper level and triggering bile, then the bile will not flow freely, no matter what ones does.
I just had my first colonic and the colon therapist said she noticed heavy metals coming out. Has anyone seen or have heard of heavy metals coming out of a person and what those heavy metals might be?
I would call and get details. It is hard to imagine seeing the metals as they are mostly microscopic from what I understand. If you do have heavy metals you surely need to get rid of them. Maybe see Mercola's YT with Dr. Klinghardt to start. Mercury is the most common culprit.
I agree with LoricaLady that you should call and ask for an explanation of what she saw in your release that indicated heavy metals.
I have been giving colonics since the 1990's and have never heard of seeing such a thing. Even with a microscope what distinguishes heavy metal waste? During my colonic training we had access to microscopes to view specimen samples from the waste return of colonic clients to help identify parasites and undigested food matter such as tiny fruit seeds etc., but this is the first time I've heard about heavy metals being visible in a colonic release.
Please follow up here if you get more information. Meanwhile, I'll do some research on this subject.
I will be investigating this further. I have done some research and have read that some hydro therapists have found heavy metals (so that is hopeful for me) but it is very rare. Now it isn't so surprising to me that this would be found in me. I was first diagnosed with Myasthenia Gravis (but didn't have all of the symptoms) then I was tested for Lymes Disease and it was discovered that I have that and not MG. This past June I had my Amalgams out and I have noticed a positive change in my weakness. I have accomplished 10 Hulda ClarkLiver Flushes since June of 2009 and when I had the colonic for the 1st time it was 1 day after a flush.
The hydro therapist stated she saw a lot of yeast bubbles (which I hear is not uncommon) and the heavy metals. Please keep me posted on what you find out and I will do the same. I appreciate it :)
I have been doing a series of colonics and around the 4th I began to release what my therapist believes is heavy metals. A LOT . More than she's ever seen in 20 years - !
It is NOT microscopic.
It looks like black filings or shards - larger than grains of sand. Too heavy to move with the rest of the matter in the water.
I saw some in the toilet today and it took 2 flushes to get rid of the "sediment"
I am looking for a place to test the matter to see what it is.
ANY information you find - please share ! and I will do the same!
I am a 42 year old male. For about 6 years I have practiced intermittent fasting. Usually nothing or a little fruit or something during that day followed but a big meal or two in the evening. I have a lot of NO CARB days so these meals may be a pile of eggs, chicken and cheese, etc..
On carb days I have oats, bread, soup stuff life that. But due to low calories through the week I have a bug cheat day on Sunday, anything goes!
Well about 3 years ago I had a big fart, clear mucous like stuff shot out into my pants, not good while at work! Well since that day it has been on and off, some good weeks, some bad weeks but for the past 4 weeks it is daily and someday there is a stringy substance with mucous that comes out, with no feces. A buddy said it may be from to much fiber, I said I do not eat a lot and then he said then it is because I do not eat fiber.
Well here I am at wits end and just read about "Mucoid build up" on this forum. I am used to fasting but rarely over 23 hours. Am I a perfect candidate for a Colon Cleanse or multiple day water or juice fast? I need help bad, it is ruining my life!!!
Also I did cut ALL carbs out for 5 days thinking I had candida but more mucous came out, good, bad I do not know.
I started eliminating small ropes, but i wouldn't have seen them if i didn't inspect the crap with a metal wire, lol. The ropes were surrounded with fresh feces, so you couldn't see them just by looking at the bowl. So make sure you cut up everything in half, to see what's inside it! I took a metal coat-hanger, and cut the straight bottom of it on both ends. So, you get a nice long hard tool for inspecting!
That is so funny you just posted that! I have been on the B & P shakes and haven't been passing any plaque. I would say my bowel movements are "average" for me right now. I was really frustrated so today I did a good inspection (you know... if you had told me two months ago I'd ever be doing this let alone talking about it with people...) and thought I saw a bit of plaque as well!
I also saw two thin white "threads" that looked like dental floss. They were about three inches long. I am not sure if these are parasites! the "thread" was completely thin & flat like floss, not like I would have thought a worm would be. I wouldn't have seen them unless I had done a good inspection.
Yup, we're all part of the bowel movement gazing club now! I think you may have passed some 'thread worms'! They are thin like needles? I have heard about other people passing those...that's good you're getting them out!
Just to make sure, has anyone else found plaque "in" their bowel movements as well? (Or... those who will admit to poking around :) That would be interesting because I thought it would be really obvious, not to mention ten feet long....
Blackberry...ha! Well, I have seen it mixed in, but it seems pretty obvious, I don't have to dig. Most of the time it has been disctinctively seperate....and ALMOST ten feet long! ha! But, still, it's the weirdest looking stuff so one really needs some sort of stick tool. oh so funny...
'flat and thin' could also be tapeworms...and yep...sometimes the plaque is intermingled with fresher fecal material...also sometimes the ropes fold in on themselves and you don't realize it's a long rope until you poke around a bit.
That's great you're studying astrology! I've been seriously at it for 4 years...but there is still SO much to learn. I love it.
Wee interesting tip: The planets don't 'cause' the energies to happen, then only 'point' towards what energies are available, coming in etc...Like a compass points to North. The compass doesn't cause North to be where it is.
Ok, so I am already obsessed with clean my colon (with is totally grossing my family & friends out), but I think I might have to draw the line at raking around in the bowel. Not only am I afraid of what I might find, but that is even too gross for me! :-) happy digging you all!
I have had these dental floss like threads 2 to 5 inches long, flat and about 2 mm wide for at least 10 years . I pass one maybe once or twice a week. They look like dental floss and they are very strong. I do not eat anything that would be this long. I have done parasite cleanses but the cleanses have not caused to pass any more of these strings more regularly than normal. I have found pictures like them online but nobody has been able to name them. I wouldn't think a parasite could be this hard to break....its almost more like a thin flat root than a worm. They are much stronger than hair and very hard to break apart.
Little disappointed at lack of results after close to three weeks of P&B shakes. Just want to know if there is anything else I can do to get this stuff going.
My daughter of 13 passed MP after only 4 days on the shakes and is not letting me forget it.
After 45 years of drinking, smoking and eating anything I wanted, I suppose it could take my body a bit longer, but comeon already.
This is what I have been doing.
3 P&B shakes a day, 2 tblsp Bent / 2 tblsp Pysillium
1-2 salt water flushs a week
1-2 enemas a week
I'm not familiar with the South Beach Diet. But just in case it involves eating a lot of meat, cut that intake in half, make sure the fat intake is low, and increase salads -- raw vegies. Also, look at advice of Dr. Schulze . I think it's on this website, and elsewhere on the web, if you put in the key words. I was looking at it the other day. The more raw vegies, the better. Especially after all those years of abuse.
Also, have you taken any stool softeners? Perhaps the material is so hard, it needs to be softened up a bit. Try it, it may work.
is it safe to take diatomaceous earth if you have mild kidney issues? i have chronic gut problems and possibly parasites so my doctor wants me to take DE but i am just concerned about it causing harm to my kidneys. any advice would be appreciated thanks
I have had wierd digestive complaints for quite some time, but was still able to pass stool. I wrote it off as my weight and eating habits. But after the 2nd time in a year not being able to go much at all, I discovered a blockage. I have already
Tonight I had a sudden urge for diarrhea. I passed this, but I could actually feel it going around something. Then, if I pushed I could feel feces in the middle trying to move but stuck. For the past year or so it's taken me twice as much as effort compared to normal to produce a normal bowel movement. This sure explains it.
I have tried magnesium citrate, glycerin suppositories, etc...
I am able to pass small, narrow stools, but not much else.
What should be my immediate course of action? I almost did a saline enema, but the box read not to use for a blockage. i have read that lactulose will slowly liquefy stools. I'm not sure how large (diameter) the blockage is, but I would assume fairly large. It has apparently pushed right to the end of my intestines with all of the laxatives I've been taking. Please help!
I did end up seeing the doctor, and she prescribed lactulose. I took it in the morning, the morning after I passed a well formed stool (a "log" so to speak) that was tapered quite a bit on both ends. Later, I also managed to pass something sickly looking. It was very small, about 2x the size of a prune, dried up and shriveled, and felt like clay when prodded. Could this have been a piece of impaction? Over the rest of that day my intestines started gurgling quite a bit with weird gassy type pains, churning, and I swear it almost felt like something was very slowly moving from right to left. For fear of having a blockage I stopped eating down to maybe half a meal a day.
This morning i woke up early with a sudden urge for diarrhea. I passed healthy diarrhea with multiple pieces in it. At this point I felt totally evacuated for the first time i can remember. It was a refreshing feeling to have no downward pressure in my abdomen. I hadn't realized this feeling was very frequent until this time. I stopped the lactulose because I had read about it possibly lowering potassium and electrolyte levels from excess diarrhea. I started eating again, still lightly though. Over the next 5-6 hours the distention came right back, and I'm back to passing relatively copious amounts of gas, but no more stool as of yet. I can pass gas quite easily. It appears to move t through me way faster than the stool.
When I try to explain the above to anyone (loved ones, friends who will listen), they basically tell me "if you're pooping, there is no impaction" I don't think this is necessarily true. My stools have never come out as hard pellets, or lumpy looking "logs" as I've read is a red flag for impaction.
I also need to mention that before all of the above I was able to go one decent solid "log" nearly daily. I didn't feel fully evacuated, though. Over the past year or so I've had to really start straining to get them started.
So I'll go back to my original question, and add a few more. Is it an impaction? Do i just have a lazy colon and it's possible if I waited a bit longer things would pass more easily? Was the diarrhea this morning going around an impaction? Should I have stayed on the lactulose, or were the runs a sign it had done it's duty?
I'm also wondering if I might have a physical problem just inside the rectum. Sometimes I have to strain quite a bit even to pass gas that is obviously just inside. My mom is an ex-nurse. I had her listen to my intestines, and she said all 4 quadrants are active, no high pitched sounds. Lower quads more active. FWIW, I am also having intermittent mild groin pain in the lower left groin.
Thanks in advance for any and all advice, good or bad :P
It could possibly be a (slightly) irritated colon - that can give the symptoms you describe. I speak from long experience unfortunately.
What happens if you take laxatives? If the constipation gets worse this might indicate irritation.
Regardless, I would suggest you stop eating/drinking anything that might be an irritant. In my case ordinary black tea had a really negative effect - I used to drink bucket loads of the stuff - at one point it got so bad I went under 9 stone, at 6'2". It could be imagined that coffee/coke/spicy foods etc would also have a bad effect.
I would not get overly worried about producing fine log-shaped fæces. I think that the 'log' itself is rectally produced by the compression of the many small pieces that emerge from the intestine.
There are no doubt many other possibilities - I don't know much about parasites, but there seem to be many here who think they can cause a multitude of intestinal problems. I vaguely remember also reading on here that in certain circumstances the neural or muscle transmitters can be irreparably damaged, causing more or less permanent constipation.
Dehydration or magnesium deficiency are other factors that can cause it.
In any case, good luck with finding the cause.
I don't think this is necessarily true. My stools have never come out as hard pellets, or lumpy looking "logs" as I've read is a red flag for impaction.
I also need to mention that before all of the above I was able to go one decent solid "log" nearly daily. I didn't feel fully evacuated, though. Over the past year or so I've had to really start straining to get them started.
So I'll go back to my original question, and add a few more. Is it an impaction? Do i just have a lazy colon and it's possible if I waited a bit longer things would pass more easily?
The symptoms you describe are similar to what i had a few years ago when i was persuaded by the allopath doctors that i was constipated.
One more time, they were wrong.
From what i learned and experienced, there are two main causes of "constipation" or slow elemination of feces.
The first cause is mechanical, it happens when you eat foods that are sticky or not easily dissolved by the digestive juices (chocolate, cheese, sugar, etc...). One of the purpose of the colon is to absorb water, so at the beginning of the colon (the x area), the feces are liquid, but as the feces travel in the colon, they become drier and drier. Now if the foods you ate were sticky, then the feces at the end of the colon (the stigmoid area) will be dry and sticky. Add to this the fact that most people don't drink enough water and they sleep in a room with not enough fresh air and this produces chronic dehydration. (especially in the colon)
When some feces have hardened too much, sometimes they stay blocked in the colon. That's why you can evacuate feces with a small diameter or small pellets.
This is often the same facts you can observe when you wash your plate after a dinner. Some foods require only a little effort to be dissolved and removed from the plate, however if you don't wash your plate just after the dinner and there are sticky foods on these plates, the next day you'll have to use a lot of warm water and maybe a dissolver to remove the dry sticky foods.
The second cause is a parasitic worms infection like ascaris. These worms can grow up to the diameter of a pencil and 30cm in length. When they are in the colon they can adopt a twirl shape or a ball shape. You can now understand why the circulation of feces can be slowed down by parasitic worms. Also they eat feces which can produces the small pellets you were talking about...
A few years ago, I was so suprised to see such huge Ascaris worms in my feces after having done several high enemas and after having eaten herbs with antiparasitic properties. I wonder how i was able to live with these big worms in me. Seriously it's crazy.
i believe that people that use this stuff are wonderful, because they are open minded. we don't subscribe to the promotional machines of the big pharms, who make million making you take medicine you dont need, becasue each pill they buy is pure profit for them. (the first pill they sell costs millions , nearly 100 million, in r&d and 3 rounds of FDA trials) but every pill after that costs nothing to make. so the more they sell, the happeir they are.
the problem with this, is that sometimes we are hypocritical, in that we are openminded to alternative solutions, but but close minded in evaluating them. sometimes we dont care what people say, but just blindly beleive. its the same thing as those that subscribe to the big pharm. their marketers tell some people taht a pill will make them happier, and they blindly take it, without looking at the studies or stories taht say it can also give them heart problems, or make them addicted (not referring to a particular drug, but a theoretical composite of various blockbuster drugs).
so with mucoid plaque, the concept sounds great. who would want to carry all this stuff around on them? of course you want to get it out! but i took the time to look at the information i had, and got to thinking, logically. there are stories of 15 foot long plaque buildups, etc. pictures, all gross. and the pics should be proof right?
if there is such a thing like 15 foot buildups, they should be easy to spot in the intestines. if someone got disemboweled, or was in some horrible accident, and an autospy was performed, a doctor should have come across buildup such as this. or, before you try to treatment, go look at your colon. they have cameras now, that they can feed into you, to go look at it. the camera can travel throughout your entire existence. surely it is impossible to miss huge buildups of solid black, disgusting plaque.
so i did some research online, and the mucoid plaque people have passed have been analyzed, and it turns out to be, yup, the same stuff they ate to get rid of it. http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2004/12/mucoid-plaque-dubious-idea.html
the pictures are real, the solid stuff is real, but the problem is it's not what we are led to believe. its not stuff thats been sitting in our colon. i mean, its a wonderful dream, that this stuff can be sittin in our colon, and how refreshing and clean we'll feel once we get that gunk out.
it's very much like if you think you have gunk in your nose. you shove an entire rubber band in there, leave it for a few minutes, then sneeze it out. lo and behold, there's a big rubbery gunk on the napkin! but its the same rubberband. sure, there may be some mucus and boogers stuck to it, but most of the gross, hard solid substance is the rubberband you stuck in there. if there was a mass like the rubberband, nose plaque if you will, as hard and the size of it, that was there before you did the treatment, you should be able to see it, with a simple flashlight up the nose.
i hope this helps some people, but like always, i encourage everybody to do your own reserach. on another note, i'm trying the wormwood, clover, walnut parastie cleanse, because ive read stories of people online using it, and actually seeing eggs and worms. i'll let you know how that goes. the fda and big pharm says its hogwash, but i think they like to sweep everything away, even the valid stuff, and bury it with stuff that don't work.
You have to be open minded, but after you have tried it once you probably don't have to keep going. Some people do it for years and still get stuff out. Though the view always was that it was very old stuff that was build up, how can it keep going if you improve your diet and do a cleanse once in a while.
I used the oxygen type cleanser and just hoped/wished that that did the trick.
Once I posted an answer from Andreas Moritz who feels that it is just the fiber that creates it and it is not mucoid plague. I like to agree with this view more, but most people don't like that opinion.
They just mentioned on tv the other day the supplement industry is a many billion dollar business now a days. And it is obvious when we see all the supplements that are sold just here on curezone.
So we all have to make up our own mind on which way we want to go. Just listen to all the different opinions and then make up your own mind.
At least the liverflush is without supplements and if you want to you could do a 3 week bowelcleanse with epsom salt. So it can be cheap if anyone wanted too.
PS: I feel the same with quackbuster they usually have an alternative motif too, so you have to check them out too.
though I agree with you to a point that there has been much exaggeration and quackery involved with mucoid plaque and other things in the health industry- I think there is a danger of adopting the other extreme and saying it totally doesnt exist as well.
We have to be objective but take a middle ground.- not swallowing everything you read, but also remaining objective to that there may be a grain of truth to it.
I have eliminated mucoid plaque from my lower intestines, but it was only about 1 1/2 foot long the two different times i passed it. it wasnt black and sausagy looking either- but fat and grey looking with overlapping edges. I didnt know what it was at first, and thought it could be a wierd giant parasite! I passed it in a grocery store bathroom toilet of all places!
At that time, i had become a Raw vegetarian and began eating all sorts of raw fruits and veggies- nothing cooked. THis was the first time I passed this mucoid plaque.
I feel the appearance depends on the type of matter that has been accumulated in the intestines. If you eat alot of starches and breads all your life like I did, maybe the mucoid plaque looks more like plaster and clay.
If a person eats alot of red meats and foods overly high in iron, perhaps their mucoid plaque is more rubbery and dark like in the photos. It is true that a human's ' intestines are incredibally long, so i wouldnt be surprised if someone passed tons of this stuff.
I dont know about 15 miles of it though!
I have noticed a big difference in my colon health from just passing what I passed. I had not been taking any P&B shakes either. The only reason I passed it was from my brand new eating habits change from switching over from Burger King, french fries, and starchy sugary processed foods to my new lifestyle of raw fruits and veggies and herbal teas.
Maybe I had buildup of flour and pastey carbs in my intestines--mixed with mucous that had to come out.
Whatever the make-up of this MP, I do believe that it has produced some fantastic results within my digestive tract. For over two years I've experienced bm that consisted of a handful of pebble-like bm, sometimes pellet shaped. When I took the P & B shakes, I released quite a bit of buildup from my bowels, and the result has been the release of fully formed fecal matter several times daily, compared to the once every one or two days of before.
I have also noticed a flattening of my stomach that wasn't there before. No physician was able to effect this change nor any laxative. I am quite happy with the results. I appreciate your suggestions and helpful admonition, but the results that I experienced were more than enough empirical evidence for me.
tho I am not a MP expert I am sure that all those huge bellies must be stuffed with impacted fecal matter.
the following is a picture of a very fat man who died after health issues including being seriously constipated and whose autopsy showed up to 9 inches of colon section:
I do not know if mucus can actually build up on the colon walls producing MP, I am quite doubtful, but diverticulitis does exist, and many doctors witness seeing colons so much dilatated and swollen and clogged up with feces. My personal experience with colon cleansing is with a product similar to Oxypowder and I can say that I did pass much more stools than usual whose odor/color was obviously not normal. I did not see anything resembling MP anyway I do believe that the body can get rid of impacted fecal matter just by good diet and/or mild laxatives, no need for clay. But clogged .colon is a reality!
Yes, I agree with you. It IS real and there is no way someone who was chronically constipated for years ( like myself ) can not have some impaction!! I don't care what some naysayer has to say-- let them get ill like I have been-- and have to live through years and years of all sorts of health deterioration and pain!! I KNOW this stuff is real and have no doubt. Yes, maybe some of what comes with these fiber based cleansers is just fiber mixed with feces-- well at least some of the feces has come out! And there is just no way all the stuff I have passed lately is JUST fiber alone. The smell is disgusting! Fiber should not smell like that. I've done tons of colonics too and have at times passed black matter that smelled up the entire room even though they have professional ventilation systems! And now I have no more debilitating back pain-- so whatever. :-) By the way, that photo is disgusting!! Where on earth did you get it?
I believe you 100%. I started showing bowel problems at 3yrs old. My family would say I'd take my potty chair and my pets (guinea pigs, mice, rabbits, etc) and take them into strange areas of the house for hrs. sitting and crying trying to have a bowel movement. So of course this was early 70's so I had Penicillin for every meal, but no change. It wasn't until I was about 14 before I could tell anyone how extreme my situation was. Most was blamed on "stress", which was odd because I had a great child hood/life, EXCEPT for the abdominal pain and no relief. And trips to the E.R. turned into accusations of going in just for pain relief (I wrote quite a bit down below so I don't want to go into all the detail again, but I'd love to see just ONE of those Dr.s live like that from the age of 3 until 31, when they finally took my entire lrg intestine and rectum out. And I explained down below they had given me an ileostomy 2 1/2 prior to removing the lrg. bowel, and when they opened it, it was impacted with my bowels stretched to 10cm, and this was aged 2 1/2 yrs because NOTHING could get past the stoma when it was placed as a temporary since both ends were stapled shut. So for all those Dr.s that blamed me for FAKING being sick, and in PAIN.. ....well, I'm sure you know where they can go! Back to med school for one:) Cute kitty, I love animals, probably because they were always there for me in my life of pain! And I agree, WHERE did they get that picture? And no gloves, blahhhh! Take care, I'm glad you feel better.
I didn't like that post either, but I think maybe the person was just trying share their thoughts? I don't know. I'm like you and have been very very ill for over 10 years now--- thanks to doctors and their antibiotics. So I sure as hell don't care what some doctors lab has to say about what comes out of the bowel! I'm making progress, but it's been sooooo slow.
I'm glad you're getting better. And YES, Dr.s will verify about blocked colons that include stuff that looks like mucoid plaque. I had problems having bowel movements since I was 3 yrs old. The Dr.s did MANY tests, but in the end, they determined it was more stress related. So I lived (if you want to call it that)in chronic pain and getting ignored up until I finally had a friend go to the Dr with me and explain I had been at his home and it had been over a month with no movements at all (normally I'd have 2 a month, and very small, very hard, pellet like and the pain of labor)But the quack Dr. said," We can schedule her for 2 weeks, my only opening" So my friend said well, just so you know what my friend feels, I'm going to leave my boot, in your butt, so you can share her pain, suddenly he had an opening in the morning. I didn't make it, I started throwing up fecal matter in the night, near the hosp. and was taken via ambulance to the hosp. and he opened me up to place a "temporary"ileostomy but for 2 1/2 years after, I still had the pain and sickness. I found a Dr. that felt there was no reason to keep the entire large intestine and rectum left in since I had the bag for so long. Well, she was shocked to find out the Dr. had never "emptied" my bowels before separating them, so I had 5 ft plus rectum of impacted bowels. She asked why they didn't empty me out before and I told her that the Dr. felt I "probably" swallowed enough of the "Go-lightly" plus my body would just empty on it's own, even though that was my problem in the first place. So I am living proof that I was most likely impacted my whole life and what movements did pass, would have to squeeze through the impacted areas. My biopsy showed stool that looked identical to those showing the mucoid build up and an intestine that was stretched from 3 to 10cm and no elasticity left. Well, I hope SOMEONE reads this and can maybe relate but more so, I want to ease the question of whether this can happen or not. I never used anything but a fleece enema once, and used NO other cleaners other than diet, which was excellent, home grown food and same with the meat, chickens, pork we raised. I did eat more fruits and veggies vs. meats, but I doubt that made anything worse, Sincerely "Unplugged, but still not fixed!" Sorry for bouncing around on the subjects. I tried to get as much info in as possible w/out writing a book. Therefore,alot of info is missing.
I have been feeling that all of my intestinal cleansing has not been working because I have not seen any MP because of all of the testimonials of people who get it out. This post made me realize that my cleansing has been successful because I feel better and my eczema has been clearing since I started the last one a few weeks ago.
While I believe that people do get MP out of their intestines, I have also realized that just because I haven't gotten any out doesn't mean I'm not on my way to better health.
You are correct-- if you feel better then you are making progress! If your diet has been clean most of your life, you may not have a really dirty bowel anyhow. I was like zule in that I have been VERY constipated ( NEVER went with a laxative!! ) for many years. Doctors ruined my health with all their antibiotics. I'm still battling candida, but I'm on my way now! Glad you're feeling well and best of luck to you! :-)
Mucoid plaque is indeed for real....I dont really understand where the original poster is trying to go with the information they posted....Mucoid plaque is real because ive seen literally 10-15 pounds of it come out of me....Its disgusting and nothing like a normal bowel movement..Not hard to figure out that the stuff is not normal. The original poster needs to think about this....When you eat 3 meals a day and only go to the bathroom once a day where do you think the other 2 meals go...They slowly and gradually build inside your colon causing impaction..Noone human being on earth has pooped out every meal they ever eaten, therefore we all have at least some mucoid plaque inside us...IT IS REAL...Upon further thinking, I belive it would be nearly impossible to completely clean the entire digestive tract..However it is good to clean as much out as possible to clear a path for normal daily bowel movements..
You should definitely be skeptical if the products you are taking are pitch black like tar and smell worse than a toxic waste dump going in.
If this is just an elaborate ruse, then I'm sure the creators of such products spent millions doing research to find a combination of substances that would undergo such a radical chemical and color change during digestion.
Since innocent until proven guilty, can the accusers produce a list of herbs that will putrify at warp speed, create a horrifying smell and cause gray oil to pour out and float?
Here we have two opposite opinions, and as usual the truth lies somewhere in between.
If you're thin and healthy with a good diet, and you're spending all kinds of time and money on cleanses trying to get that last molecule of junk out, then you might want to chill out, save your money, and remember that the point of all this is not to have a healthy colon...it's not even to have a healthy body...it's to be happy and enjoy your life...Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness...remember??? Health is just one thing that we here have decided will help us achieve happiness, so forget about cleansing for a while and go have some fun...your soul is actually more important than your body!
If you're clean, then yes, you'll just be eliminating yucky looking combinations of the very cleanser you're taking....duh. And you won't find your health improving any more as a result.
If you're fat/unhealthy, then you'll be eliminating yucky looking combinations of the cleanser, as well as bad stuff that's stuck in your system...good for you! And you'll find accompanying improvements in symptoms and health. Just know when to quit, and keep your maintenance program reasonable.
Unhealthy people with good minds have done great things, and healthy people with good minds are even better off, but healthy people with poor minds don't do much of anything.
Well, I'm going to go party all weekend....I truly hope you all enjoy your hard-earned, newfound health as well! :)
ps If you want to know a killer recipe of vitamins/supplements to cure hangovers and minimize damage from partying...shoot me an email, all my friends love this stuff (no, I don't sell anything).
Hi bswatch, I have been reading this website with fascination ever since I found it a couple of weeks ago. I am glad to read a letter like yours, at last someone with a bit of common sense! I am a nutritional therapist and I tend to agree with you (even after reading Robert Gray, apparently the leading expert in the world on this subject) I believe a build up of old faeces happen in a low fibre, high protein and dehydrating diet causing a distension of the stomach. This would mainly sit around in the caecum because the bowel is struggling to push it up hill, most cancers occur in this region. It then becomes compressed dry and blackened particularly if bowel motility has been compromised. this is stale old faeces, not mucoid plaque. I believe a healthy high fibre alaline rehydrating diet (eliminating wheat, dairy and most animal products) will eventually restore a healthy bowel in all cases. The last thing I would advise any of my clients to do would be to put purging/"cleansing" substances into an already poorly functioning bowel. I have seen psyllium cause misery, bloating and constipation in many cases, it is a substance which will not help when a bowel has collapsed on itself or has narrowed, or developed diverticular pouches. As you say, nice idea but restoring the health of a bowel that has been abused for many years takes more than a cleanse, you have to look at the body and mind wholistically
this is in response to "confessions of a quackbuster"/ who is trying the wormwood,
clover, and walnut cleanser. i ordered some plants over the net, and enlclosed
in the packaging was a flyer on parasites. i read it out of curiosity, but i have
so many of the symptoms that i decided i would try it. it is all herbal and it
talks about helping with energy, which is just one of my symptoms.
i did look on the internet, and it seems that people that have no connection to this product talk about parasites, and the harmful effects on the body. anyway, i will
let you know the results.
2) How loud is the "squirt" I am supposed to here?
3) Should I feel anything going on with my liver?
4) Is it possible to lay there with coffee for 13 minutes and have nothing "happen"?
I have to admit, I am still nervous about these coffee enemas, but I know my liver is backed up and I had a bad experience with my last (and only) flush. My kidneys reacted very badly and looking back I see that I was severely dehydrated during the process.
I am going to try the sensible health detox product or Schulzes liver cleanse next, but in the meantime I wanted to try the coffee enema.
Sounds to me like you have a successful coffee enema. Some people have more energy afterwards and some people don't. coffee enemas are a little like Liver Flushes in that the results can vary a bit. But the bubbling sound tells you your liver was responding.
Sounds like you had a good first coffee enema. I did my first one a few months ago and have been going strong ever since!
I've read that you get the best results if you do app. 4 cups of the coffee/water solution, but you may have to work up to that much. I could only do 2 at first.
Different people do them for different amounts of time, but I usually lay for 5 mins on my right side, 5 mins on my left and 5 mins on my back. I also sometimes add a couple of cloves of raw, pressed garlic to the water before I bring it to a boil and let it steep for 4-10 mins after I take it off the heat. I usually put half the water in the pot to heat, take it off as soon as it comes to a boil, let it steep 4-10 mins, then add the other 2 cups of water (which helps cool it down faster).
I tend to get out more parasites if I'm doing other anti-parasite things, but I know some people have gotten a lot out with an enema that contained peroxide.
Also, you can see better what has come out if you order the blonde coffee made especially for enemas made by S.A. Wilson, but I waited to see if I was going to be doing them very often before I went and bought that kind of coffee. It's supposedly more effective than regular brown coffee, but there's not really any way to measure.
The sigmoid colon is on the left side. That is where you want to lie. That is where all the the exchange of the elements in the coffee takes place. Doesn't really serve any purpose to lie on your right side. You don't want to drain it away from where it should be.
I almost never have any problems holding for 20 minutes, but at least try for 10 from the left side.
I bought a cheap stethescope off ebay and pass the time listening to all the sounds.
Never, never, never have I gotten stones from a coffee enema. I think it's more of a chemical release, moreso than anything else. However aside from that, is this.
I sometimes cleanse before a coffee enema, including Epsom Salts and salt water flush. Pretty clean, not much of anything else coming out. After the coffee and the initial expel, a follow-up enema will bring out a lot more solid stuff. So, even if you don't know how the liver may be affected, it certainly has a cleansing affect on the intestines.
But I also note, that if I continue a fast into the next day, with Epsom Salts , even more stuff appears.
Hi Healthy girl,
the whole purpose of coffee enemas, which are different from water enemas which would benefit to lay on left side, is to cleanse the liver. for this you need to lay on your right side which is where the liver is and try to hold it for up to 15 minutes. I hold mine for 20 minutes most times. Best to you, and yes, the gurgling sound is your liver releasing bile which is what you want. hope this helps explain the difference between the two types of enemas and their purpose.
I just started on the P&B shake protocol. However, today I saw on my Yerba Prima Psyllium Husks Powder bottle, in small print "Warning: This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. For more information about Prop 65, see http://www.yerbaprima.com."
This, of course, concerns me a lot since I have thought that Psyllium Husks are completely natural fibers that you can not absorb anyway.... I couldn't find more info on this. Does anybody know what chemical in particular it is? How harmful is it? Is there a way to avoid such a chemical, say, by using organic psyllium husks? And, if there is a difference between whole husks and power (I assume there is less to be absorbed from the whole husks since they are not grounded up)....
A bit confused. Hope someone has insight into this! Thanks!
I'm going to answer my own question. I called the company and they said that it is lead that they were referring to. Plants pick up a trace amount of lead from the soil, and she said that carrots and other vegetables contain lead too because of this. It's not harmful.
Yes, the Yerba Prima Colon Care Formula contains lead.
Their website has some propaganda about this, which I encourage anyone to read along with the law's requirements. California requires labeling about birth defects when lead or other hazardous substance reaches a certain level.
They require the addition of the "cancer" terminology when the level reaches 30x the original labeling-required level.
This very same law excludes lead that is "naturally occurring", as in carrots or applesauce. If the lead is truly from the plants Yerba uses to create their product, they could legally exempt themselves from labeling. They are obviously angry about the labeling as one can tell from their prop-65 propaganda and would have processed an exemption if possible.
The law is designed to warn those who care and encourage reformulation of products by companies. As you can imagine, adding a warning and posting misleading propaganda to a website is multitudes cheaper than reformulating a product, even with the loss of business.
As a loyal customer for many years I am very disappointed in Yerba Prima because absent the toxic lead, they have an excellent product.
I have not found an alternative, but encourage anyone who can find a comparable product to please inform the rest of us.
Thank you for posting an answer, as I see noone else did. I bought this a few days ago, but haven't opened it yet. I wanted to read the dosage info before opening, and stumbled across this statement. So i'm on a mission to investigate it as well, hense, I am here. I downloaded the Prop 65 list of cancer causing chemicals, but without a chemical name, it really was useless; so was about to go to the website, and found your post, asking the same questions that are dancing around in my mind. Thank you again for providing an answer. I would still like to know more, as I might take it back and find an organic alternative.
I just bought this product one the advice of a friend but was also concerned. I found vitacost.com's organic-india-whole-husk-psyllium so am thinking about asking the store to order this or ordering it myself...