Anytime you ingest ANYthing that dislodges toxins/poisons & dislodges heavy metals, the kidneys (and liver) can EASILY become overburdened. You are wise to be careful/cautious, and that's pretty much 'an obvious', eh?
If our organs of elimination weren't overburdened in the first place, there wouldn't BE a storehouse of toxins & heavy metals already in our body to be removed or dislodged. The kidneys/liver 'missed 'em' the first time around, because for some reason or another, they were too stressed/overburdened to be able to eliminate them...so now all the junk is lodged in your tissues.
So, if you haven't corrected the problem of the organs/systems of elmination & detoxification becoming overburdened in the first place (through throrough & systematically flushing and cleansing of your digestive tract/colon, kidney, and liver, and skin) AND altered your diet and exposure to chemical & metal poisons...if you take a product that is known to dislodge major amounts of toxins and they go into the bloodstream, you would be extremely wise to provide some type of daily support to your kidneys & liver.
Drinking plenty of water is a start, but it's my opinion that's it far from enough (liver/kidney flushing, supporting liver/kidney herbs, juice fasting, coffee enemas, hot/cold compresses, castor oil packs, etc). Personally, I've done all these things for years (the cleanses), and now my diet is as clean/organic/good as virtually anyone I've ever heard of...but after a month on Lugol's, my kidneys AND liver became sensitive, then achey, then painful (not harshly painful, but similar to the pain one feels the day after a strenuous workout, when you haven't worked out for a long time). I have NEVER in my LIFE actually known exactly where my kidneys are located, because I'd never 'felt' them before.
So, YES, if you're feeling kidney sensitivity after one day on iodine, I would suggest you immediately look into kidney supporting herbs and cleansing/flushing.
And, so no, Iodine does not help to 'flush' the kidneys, it gives them MUCH more to do than they're already doing.
Thanks a mill for your înput. I have been putting nascent organic Iodine 1% into my drinking water for some time now. I was experiencing pain in both my kidbeys but thought it was due to my newly acquited veg juicing, i.e. that the juice was putting an extra burden on my kidneys by eliminating toxins from my body.
However I ran out of Iodine and stopped putting it in my water. I stopped having the pains in my kidneys after juicing I then resumed adding the iodine yesterday and lo and behiold the pain returned with a vengence. It only then occurred to me that perhaps it was the iodine that was causing the pain. I decided to google the issue today and I came across this website and your entry.
I so grateful for your advice. I an now certain the of the cause. I immediately stopped the iodine and drank loads of bottled mineral water and withing minutes the pain weent awaéy.
I will follow your advice now and start flushing my organs of elimination
I really don't understand the rush of anyone who was not taking iodine before to start at other than a minimum dosage, anything other than that really can send our body into shock. It's my belief that the more deficient a person has been the better it is to go slow to give the body time to get "reacquainted" with the missing element and "relearn" how to use it, whereas swamping the tissues with anything all of a sudden can even cause a new kind of imbalance.
I didn't consider myself to be totally "iodine deficient" when I came here back in April because I'd been taking bladderwrack caps for several years and had been taking Lugol's (the way Dr. Jarvis advised: 3 drops/week) since last September, still, when I increased to a daily drop I had a severe reaction. When I restarted, after resting for nearly a week, I only used a very dilute mixture of water/ACV/honey/Lugol's and only sipped a little bit a couple of times the first day, calculating my total intake at just 1/2 a drop and I took another half drop the next day. I then increased to 3/4 of a drop and I began doing the salt flush and using magnesium chloride transdermally which helped abort the palpitations which threatened to begin again. I also made sure to rest from all supplements one day a week. Soon I was taking one drop a day and the next week two and so on; my intentions was to at most go up to 50 mg. and stay there for a while if all went relatively well but soon I lost what little progress I'd made and soon I found out why. I read here that horizontal drops of Lugol's give twice the amount so I had inadvertently reached 75 mg. when I thought I was doing just 37.5. My sleep which had initially improved had deteriorated once again and I got up looking puffy and stayed that way all day and felt extremely fatigued. I also developed rapid heart beat and even after I decreased the amount of iodine and increased theh salt flushes I just felt increasingly worse. On my last couple of days on iodine I felt so ill I just wanted to cry. Last Friday after reading Uniquity's post about about her bad reaction I made the decision to stop iodine indefinitely and if/when I restart it will be at a much lower "maintenance" dosage. So I can't stress enough to anyone starting out that going slow is much better!
So, honestly, I recommend that at this point you stop the iodine completely and aim to support your kidneys first. You could try to get some cornsilk tea (available at health food or oriental stores) or any of the other natural kidney supporting remedies you can easily find by doing a search online. If you choose the tea, take it twice a day for about 10 days, then restart the Iodoral with one tablet or maybe even just half a tablet daily for 6 days and take one day to rest and give your body time to flush stuff out. Then increase 1/2 a tablet at a time to your target top intake but always paying close attention to how you feel because while some symptoms may be sign of detox others are definitely NOT. Remember that this type of supplementation has not been thoroughly been tested and we're being our own guinea pigs, also you are doing this to improve your health and not to complete in some kind of "marathon" nor win a competition about how much iodine you can really take.
You went from zero to 36 mgs - and detox will happen. Not unusual, it is your body using the Iodine to throw off the other halogens. Make sure to do the salt push - or use potassium chloride instead of the sodium chloride(sea salt). And chase it with 12-46 ounces of clean water... you can repeat this in 45 minutes if needed.
I have had mega bouts of detox from the halogens leaving and the pushes take care of them. And my symptoms and degree of detox changed, eased up over time.
The salt push moves the bromide out of the kidneys.
Exactly. The release of bromine can be HUGE (one of the patients, Brownsteins, I think) showed a serum level of a 100+mg...but keep in mind, AFTER starting the salt, the serum/urine measured an average of over 600 MG for a WEEK. (2400mg is considered a lethal dose of bromine).
So the salt increases the push/amount of bromine that GOES to the kidneys for elimination, and the report above shows that the salt definitely increased urinary output of bromide. But as of yet, I've not seen anyone address/explain adequately how that makes it easier or less stressful for the kidneys.
>>>The salt push moves the bromide out of the kidneys.<<<
The salt always lessened my symptoms of bromide detox, but it didn't make my kidneys feel a bit better. We're all different (so I'm certainly not trying to say that it didn't make YOUR kidneys feel better :) ...I just want to point out that it doesn't do that for everybody.
Your assumption is that my post in some ways speaks for everyone. You are in error. It is MY personal experience. I do not contend that everyone will have the same experience. And to assume that the contrary opinion needs expression in direct rebuttal to me is not supportive, Uny. I do not appreciate it.
Ways of Wisdom, yes your post does belong on the debate forum. The "elders" on this group have researched very Iodine carefully, researched the salt loading protocol, spoken to the doctors who have had over 5,000 Iodine patients. Several have attended the Iodine Conference. Some have been researching and taking iodine two and a half years or more and participate in patient studies outside this forum.
Clearly, you have not read the archives or even recent posts which address your concerns about going slowly and/or taking a 2 day break or you would not make such alarmist statements.
To ask us if we are "really that naive," about detox is a contentious and challenging statement and clearly a post for the debate forum. Telling us what you're "really tired of hearing" is comabative and makes the discussion about you, not the issue.
This is a support and information group. In the debate group you will find more people like yourself who are challenging the premises and research base of the therapeutic protocol.
It seems there's been a fairly sizable misinterpretation/misunderstanding of my words/posts.
>>Your assumption is that my post in some ways speaks for everyone. You are in error.<<
I never assumed your post speaks for everyone (I don't know how you came to that conclusion). But after posting for a couple of years on CZ, I really am aware that no one's posts speaks for anyone but themselves. (I don't see how an individual post COULD speak for anyone but the original poster).
>>And to assume that the contrary opinion needs expression in direct rebuttal to me is not supportive, Uny. I do not appreciate it.<<
"Contrary opinion"? I certainly didn't feel contrary and thought I was being extremely cautious to not seem unsupportive. I agreed with your information (as it is factual) and provided more information that showed how bromine is assisted out of the body by sodium chloride. I simply pointed out that you/others/MDs have ever explained how a seriously increased level of bromine output in the urine (caused by the sodium/potassium chloride), is easier/less stressful to the kidneys. I didn't rebut you...I supported your information with a clinical study and pointed out that increased halogen in the urine possibly/probably produces more stress on the kidneys.
This IS a support forum. Supporting someone with supplementation of any element, mineral, vitamin or 'natural' product involves far more than unbridled enthusiam and a gung-ho "d*mn the torpedos, full speed ahead" approach (not that I'm saying you do that, I'm simply explaining where I'm coming from). In order to solve/prevent ANY possible negative consequence of ANY protocol, one must clearly & logically examine the potential consequences...with unbiased thinking.
There is nothing non-supportive about being concerned over the kidneys, especially when one is starting to replenish an element that is known to chelate far more than bromide. Sodium/potassium/magnesium chloride increases renal output/clearance of bromide...and an increased presence of a poison running through the kidneys, certainly has the potential to cause the need of being 'kidney careful'). But salt and...mercury? cadmium? lead? arsenic? aluminum? fluoride? Salt is not known to increase renal clearance of these poisons. But Iodine releases them.
You/others may not be aware of the countless cases of various levels of kidney damage (some permanent) that have beene experienced by those chelating metals...much caution & concern is ALWAYS advised by the professional healers & MDs regarding kidney stress.
Helping one to see all the aspects of any given protocol is the most supportive thing any one can do. That certainly doesn't make them anti-iodine. In my case, I risk being labeled as non-supportive, a 'disrupter', an antagonist, and all variety of negative name-calling and innuendos because I continue to simply post various aspects of this very new protocol...when all I'm trying to do is truly care for my fellow man.
And while Iodine has been used in various dosages for longer than century to treat various/specific diseases, the idea of taking the larger doses for any length of time IS relatively new (except for an extremely few reports of those like Svent-Gyorgi that took 1000mg daily over time...and of course, we have no IDEA what other protocols they utilized and what condition there bodies were in before they started).
Please don't think or assume that my 'adding of information', encouraging caution, and/or the seeking of more complete knowledge is 'contrary' to your posts (or "contrary" to iodine in any way). To me, "support" involves ensuring safety and preventing ANY type of discomfort, stress, or possible damage to our bodies...as well as enthusiam and posts that report positive results.
why this endless back and forth? you didnt say anything new to enhance this thread. all it does is goad LN.
why dont you go to the personal conflicts forum and tell us how you really feel?
i almost hid that post. i will hide an additional post of yours in this thread. i have just given the last word on it since you are not comfortable with any other type of direction, internal or external.
btw, you do not see your ideas as a personal interpretation. you think you are right. so do i, or i wouldnt post. but being right isnt everything. it also does not make others wrong who differ with you.
i should have just hidden the post. i repeat - you goaded LN and for no good reason. i wont allow it.
A couple months after starting Iodine I got aching Kidneys and nothing worked to alleviate it. I went to the Doctor, and it turned out to be nothing to do with my Kidneys. It turned out that I had Gallstones. When you have a congested Liver/Gallbladder it will affect your other organs as well.
Now that you're starting Iodine I strongly suggest that you look into doing some Liver Flushing if you've never done it before. coffee enemas are a good way to start.