I can't write too much detail. Am too tired. I don't drink coffee or coke or any of that rubbish. I need to be able to sleep without waking with a panic jolt every two minutes. If you know anything about this Hypnic Jerk problem could you please post your wisdom. I am not interested in taking medication as I believe this started to be chronic after withdrawing from valium in May.
I beleive this jolt is an imbalance in your electrolytes! Valium is highly acidic and destroys ,mineral absorbtion ! You should look into an alkalizing diet with the aid of mineral supplementation from natural sources like Apple cider vinegar blackstrap mollasees magnesium sulphate and calcium of a reliable source! You should check out the Moreless Alkalizing forum and his website!
Yes, I believe the electrolyte stuff to but not sure how to prove it to myself. This week I have taken a larger dose of magnesium but not difference as yet. It does make me feel calmer but still getting the jolts as soon as I close my eyes. I often take blackstrap molasses but haven't for a while and will re-visit it ASAP! could valium still be effecting me even though have had none since May? What an awful drug. So tempting to take when I feel the way I do now but the withdrawel was such an awful experience it keeps we away from it.
Have you had this problem and cured it?
Thanks for your reply
Tryptophan i have been taking this in the form of kefir milk. i have been taking it for about a month and i am not sleeping like a baby. but the reason why i had trouble sleeping was so compound. mostly due to candida and fatigue. but to absorb Tryptophan you need other things too. but they are present in kefir milk. look here http://www.hypoglycemia.asn.au/articles/rich_sources_nutrients.html
scroll down and it will tell you what you need to absorb it into your body best. its not a sudden thing it takes time but try not to go to that drug. i know, some of my old friends took/take that stuff just for the fun of it. nothing good here to report about that drug. oddly enough huh?
try to take some of the herbal sleep aids untill Tryptophan starts workin. thats about all i know. Oh yeah i also know. its not because your not mentally stable or anything. its purly health related. its not something you should be going to a mental doc for. try to keep the faith and keep looking for an absolution.
I want to make it clear I have no intention of taking chemical pills like valium. I might be mentally unstable. I have had agoraphobia for 5 years but the thing is, I am in recovery. I am about to start my life again. I am excited about starting to control panic and anxiety. This sleeping problem has just been so bad the last month it is hindering my strength. I want to elimnate any possible physical reason for these stupid 'monkey jumps' or 'sleep panics'. Names you just make up.
I am looking at the ph level possibility and am ready to try anything natural.
I am thinking my excitement may have triggered this. Triggered adrenalin causing ph upset? Funny how happy adrenalin stuffs you up like anxiety andrenalin.
Want to test my ph today. What is the best way?
Hello intheclouds after reading your post I searched on the net and have found this interesting discussion on medhelp. There are people who also suffered and suffering with this problem and shared their experience, hope it will help you.
Yes, I have been reading that same page and others for the last week. Not very promising. Some have spent thousands on 'specialists' and still come home with benzos. No, I have always found this site to be the most helpfull. All of these people who have this problem, like me, are desperate to find a magic cure. I am really interested in my PH now. I am thinking there is something to it. It would explain a lot of things. I find it hard to get litmus paper where I live. Going to order some so it means I have to wait.
Have you heard of this problem before?
In the clouds! I dont not have your particular symptomology but i did have heart palpitations which the magnesium sulphate did help! I also had panic attacks insomnia and depression! Melatonin helped me sleep and also seemed to help with my panic attacks! I also tried many other protocal the cleanses vitamins herbs etc
But alkalizing is by far the most effective protocal I have done to date! I think it is the base or foundation from with which we should begin the struggle to heal ourself!
It sounds like you are being positive, and thats a good start. With all those meds in the past your kidneys and liver have probably took a battering. In chinese medicine the kidneys (right next to the adrenal glands) are related to fear. My anxiety was significantly reduced after seeing a doctor of chinese medicine that detected a kidney imbalance. I took 2 very common herbs. Sleep problems are concerned with the heart and kidneys and blood in chinese medicine. What is your dental history and what does your tongue look like? The reason I ask is that I have similar problems and the tip of my tongue is very red (this area represents the heart in TCM). I am beginning to feel well after a 2 year nightmare and the most thing that has helped me is chinese medicine and seeing a biological dentist. Keep us posted and good luck!
Yes, I like the idea of chinese medicine. I wouldn't take anything animal though. Because I get anxious and have the agoraphobia I don't go. I had my Amalgams out 6 years ago. My tongue looks a bit white and a couple of small cracks. I think the cracks mean dehydration. My vice is I like to drink alcohol. It is the way I have stayed social over the years with agoraphobia. Lately I have reduced how often I drink. I even turn up at events sober now to practice being with people. I do drink a lot of water. Water is the only drink I have as I am not into sweet things like fizzy drinks. Overall I am pretty healthy. Well, in comparison to society. But by my standards I could do a whole lot better. I really think my kidney has problems as I sometimes I go to the toilet about 10 times a night when I can't sleep.
I have almost every ingredient for the kidney cleanse. Can't wait to do it. I have to go through the parasite cleanse first though. I even grow my own wormwood for it!! I have never gotton as far as the kidney cleanse before. I will then do the scary liver cleanse. These things take time though.
Yesterday I went a bought a bag of lemons and am having one in the morning and one at night. I used to do this years ago but have laxed. Last night, after two lemons, I didn't get to sleep until 3am but that is a hour of two earlier than normal and my jolts were very mild. I had a sense of calm throughout the night. I call this an improvement.
I have bought some litmus from ebay as it is the only way I can find it. I bought extra packets to sell to other people in Australia as our chemists(or the people working in the chemists) hardly know what you are talking about when you mention it.
Great news. Sounds like you could be on the road to wellness. If you are up in the night weeing then there could be a bladder/kidney disharmony. Yes definately do the cleanses and get rid of those horrible parasites. I am doing it too, but I got to say that after 3 months I am still getting creatures out. I think the time frames could be underestimated with these cleanses. Read into liver cleanses and think about what you can do to get better drinking water (distilled etc).
Here is a bit of advice that is quite cheap and helped me loads. You will need:
Organic sesame oil
oil of oregano (barefoot or clark.com)
good natural toothpaste
Swish your mouth out with water a few times in the am. Mix sesame oil 2 tsps and couple drops oregano oil. Swish this around for 20 mins and think about it cleaning between your teeth. SPit away into tissues and down the toilet. Rinse with water again. Use your inta dental brushes (they are different sizes) and dip into baking soda with water and go through each space and clean. If you get bleeding there is inflammation there, go gental and this will stop after a few weeks. Try to keep your mouth as clean as poss. Rinse out after food. With a build up of bacteria in the mouth you are burdening your organs further. Let me know how you go with this!I am so glad I do it. More info on oil pulling forum. Keep going
Do you take it? You seem to have all the signs of lack of B vitamins, particularly niacin. When you mentioned agoraphobia I immediately remembered having read about lack of B vitamins being often the culprit, then after also noticing you described your tongue I thought of what Adelle Davis wrote many years ago about how the tongue shows the lack of B vitamins, she mentioned the need to balance the intestinal flora when there is a coated tongue. And the clincher is your alcohol comsumption, it definitely depletes B vitamins and causes the excretion of magnesium, a mineral that most people are deficient in anyway, so I feel very strongly that you should consider this.
By the way, lately I've been reading a lot about magnesium chloride, an oil that can be used transdermally, either by rubbing it directly on the skin or in foot soaks or baths. This is a good option since magnesium is rather hard to absorb orally and it tends to make some people have loose bowels. I read in a Yahoo group that it was helping someone who suffered from insomnia sleep through the night; for more info go to http://www.magnesiumforlife.com.
Here's some really good articles on B vitamins that I hope will be helpful to you:
I wish it was that easy. No, sadly, it is not because of B vitamins. I have taken B vitamins for years for depression but it makes little change to my fear. It really is 90% psycholigical for me.
Actually, due to poverty, I haven't been able to afford any supplements for over a month. I haven't noticed much change except a huge increase in depression.
I take flaxseed oil(when I have money) as a study once showed it cured agoraphobia in some of the subjects. I think it helps a bit but have none also at the moment.
I take magenesium too for sleep but not at the moment.
My life effing sucks at the moment, but........the good news is, the hypnic jerks have subsised and I have been getting the best nights sleeps in months. I am not even tired during the day.
Maybe servere depression is exhausting me to sleep each night? Who knows. I can't work out what my damned body/mind wants. Not at the moment.
Well, if you have an underlying psychological reason then, yes, supplements can only do so much BUT I know they do help, I believe iodine and DHEA have helped with my moods. However, an adjustment of attitude is the most important part.
Perhaps I cannot offer any real comfort, especially not knowing what's behind your depression but I am certainly no stranger to depression myself, for most of my life I've been quite prone to it. Any "crisis" or traumatic event will throw me "over the edge" and in the past it would get pretty bad so I needed professional help in several occasions. The consequences for me were to often live on "survival mode" and that sometimes I wasn't clear-minded enough to make the best decisions for my life which, ironically, sort of insured that I'd have reasons to continue to feel depressed in the future. However, in my case there were physical contributors that probably date back to my early childhood as I had parasites on different occasions and some malnutrition as a consequence. After I had my 2nd child (over 20 years ago...) I discovered I had hypoglycemia and that explained my poor reaction to stressful events; at first adjusting my diet helped some but as a single mother of two living away from my family and old friends, with a small income to boot, I didn't lack for stress so my life turned into a vicious cycle. Then in recent years I've gone through a 2nd divorce, 2 hurricanes, lost several loved ones (including my Dad in '05) and last year my mother, who had a mastectomy in '04, discovered a new tumor under the scar and tests showed she had extensive metastasis. She decided to submit to traditional cancer treatments, which I don't believe in, so that has been a source of ongoing concern and even grief for me. Honestly, it has seemed to me that each time I was recovering from something a new blow would knock me over.
The good part is that there is always HOPE and I tried to take advantage of all the resources available to keep mine alive. I'd stopped going to church a couple of years ago so I've had to deal with my spiritual life on my own. I've read some good books, visited encouraging websites, started doing affirmations (even found this neat program that flashes them on my PC screen), sometimes do guided meditation with the help of some CDs, and I pray every day. However, at one point that wasn't helping anymore, only a few months ago I was feeling extremely anxious over an impending negative change in my financial situation, it got so bad I had no peace night or day and finally I decided to make an appointment with the local mental health office here even though I didn't think they could really help me as I have no faith in a/d anymore (my body apparently rebelled against them so I wouldn't take them...). Sure enough, the long wait proved to be a waste of time because all they had to offer me was a SSRI (or a "cocktail" when I mentioned those won't let me sleep) so I had no choice but to turn to my old faith in God which I had neglected. I was reminded of the fact that there are times when the solution to our problems is not really in our hands and we must depend completely on the ONE who has a solution for everything. I realized that God had provided for me and my children through the years through various means so I had no real reason to believe that this time I was really headed for disaster... except if I believed that and began to panic. I decided I had to put myself completely in God's hands and trust Him completely one more time because there was really nothing I could do, for years I'd been trying to prepare for my "deadline" and I'd accomplished nothing so maybe it wasn't really up to me. Such a decision had the "magical" effect of making my anxiety banish, at first my mind tried to make me worry but I just prayed and did some affirmations and each day just did what I could (which includes taking iodine, which I believe has improved my mood) and God responded as He always does. A couple of weeks ago I got a nice check I was not expecting (but also not too surprised to get given how faith works...); this money "buys" me more time so I can get better and be able to do some actual work.
So, whatever your circumstances are and even if you can't believe exactly like I do, if you have faith and express gratitude for what you do have things will begin to improve because whatever we focus our attention on grows. Don't worry about why you're sleeping better but just give thanks that you are, at least your mind and body can rest during those hours, can you imagine how you would feel if you couldn't get any rest? Sleeplessness can certainly make one crazy so at the very least your brain is protecting itself.
I have just said a little prayer in your behalf so I hope you can feel some peace, take care!
I have suffered from hypnic jerks while falling asleap for about three years. I was convinced I was going coocoo. I tried everything!
I have been taking a tblsp of blackstrap molasses in hot water in the morning. I am trying to drink at least 64 oz of water a day with a pinch of salt in each glass full. I avoid caffeine and alcohol. I avoid processed foods as well as cow dairy products, and limit red meat. I take digestive enzyme caps after a meal. I have also recently had vitamin b shots. They are cheap at $20 each. I had taken vitamin B in pill form and in massive quantities before this, and with little result. I also take some melatonin at night. Long story short I feel tons better and am no longer an exhausted, paranoid nervous reck, who couldn't remember a thing and who just felt like death was immenant. Bright lights and noises, were a nightmare. I suffered with migraines every day.
I do not know which of these things is helping. Do not give up and keep looking. Maybe it is a combination? I also did a lemonade cleanse for three weeks which I feel also helped.
I found out from a doc that I was allergic to many processed foods. After I cut them out I was no longer tired all the time. I was so tired I couldn't even sleep. One of my hypnic jerks was so violent that my whole body jumped about an inch off the bed I was lying on.
I know this message was posted in 2006, but I was just wondering if you've found any relief for your hypnic jerks. I have this condition and keep being prescribed drugs that I really don't want to take by my neurologist. It happened out of the blue and I'm trying anything I can think of to get rid of it. Thank you.
I have had my life ruined by hypnic jerks since 2004. I eat super healthy and exercise a great deal, hard core cardio. I have never had health problems other than some mild anxiety after a traumatic experience. The doctor put me on Xanax. STUPID!!! Totally unnecessary. I know my hypnic jerks were a result of having taken Xanax for 2 weeks. I never had this problem before and once I got off Xanax I had hypnic jerks as a horrible withdrawal. I have had it ever since. Now it comes in waves. When I get it I wake up every 2 minutes throughout the entire night.
Anyway, I have found what helps. It certainly has to do with acidity, either blood plasma or gut.
Initially, one year ago, I discovered that a high dose of Natural Calm's magnesium would do the trick. I'd take about 900 mg (yes, at the expense of loose stomach the day after but I'd rather sleep).
I then read that magnesium is alkalizing. I then tried to add 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda (very alkalizing) just before going to sleep. It does the trick every time, in minutes. The best way is to go to sleep and see if I get the jerks. If I do, I take 1/2 teaspoon mixed with half a glass of water. And that's it. Happened last night again and within minutes of baking soda, I slept like a baby the whole night.
However, I just discovered that there is a good bacteria (B. Longum) in the intestine that helps raise the PH in the intestine. I am curious to see if supplementing with this would restore my body's ability to alkaline itself.
I had serious hypnic jerks all night long for a couple of months from benzodiazepine withdrawal. They suddenly stopped around the time I started taking omeprazole and pantoprazole. I took a bunch of other stuff around that time so it might have been something other that helped.
St John's Wort tea allowed me to fall asleep without having hypnic jerks, but it only let me sleep 5 hours, afterwards the jerks would get even worse. But if I drank more tea, I could sleep a couple of hours more. Eventually St John's Wort caused me to feel some kind of very depressed state so I quit using it.
Baking soda before sleep seemed to help as well. Benzodiazepines cause hypnic jerks and make them worse. Alcohol for sedation is many times less harmful than these terrible drugs.