I know this forum sometimes talks about the use of Orgeano Oil for pets, so I just though I'd pass this warning on. I think its safer for dogs, but feline livers cannot metabolize essential oils. They are missing an enzyme. My neighbor's cat got real sick from this so I've seen this first hand.
The cats I have heard of were first nearly dead, weighing a few pounds and nothing left of them. The people used oregano and the cat went ahead and died and probably would have died at the same time table because they never did anything until the cats can't walk anymore, etc.
A dog? Any vet will tell you they can't kill the heart worm fast or the dog will die. Pets such as these are loaded with worms and any herb that quickly kills worms over loads the pet, why? BECAUSE you can't easily give your pet an enema or the LBB and get them pooping enough to expell the dead worms and waste.
I suggest cats die from their dead worms and nothing to do with oregano. I often give my dogs 15 pure drops at one time and it does not bother them after 15 seconds. My pigions drink only oregano water, I have even used it for sick fish.
But this does not make it safe, it only means I experiment with oregano oil, you can not find science on much of anything natural, they are so extremely blind and have been lead by the blind for 100 years, the last book I would put any faith in is a science book, they are nearly 100% corrupted from the get go, $$$$ drives the art of science and with health they are completely lost as our history has proven, they are all 100% for sale and hide all cures for humans. Science for human health are the ones who perfect the use of chem trails and population controls, never are their goals to extend lifespan, if so they would loose their billions of free grant $$$$ that allows them to wear white coats and live in nice homes. The good scientist must live underground and risk their books from ever being printed, etc. The SCIENTIST who kept a chicken heart alive for many/many years; Alex Carrol wrote that all scientist GROPE IN THEIR DARKNESS, they know why humans should die, but have no clue how they can have life.
>>"I suggest cats die from their dead worms and nothing to do with oregano"
No. You're wrong. This cat was dewormed prior to receiving the Oregano Oil so your theory fails in this case. If you have zero understanding of feline physiology and no experience experimenting with cats and herbs, I don't know how you can make these claims. Just speculating can be dangerous.
Let's face the facts: Physiologies are different from specie to specie. Just as some humans are allergic to peanuts or coconuts no matter how healthy, cats have an inherent intolerance to most essential oils. To ignore that fact is plain stupid and cruel. Even a fully dewormed cat (100% healthy) would be hurt by an essential oil. This cat reeked like Oregano for 4 days because its body was trying to eliminate the oil through its skin, and this in turn made it more sick because of the scent (cats are incredibly smell sensitive). It had no other elimination pathway to detox the oil because the liver was not able to break it down.
This is not an attack on natural health or Oregano Oil. I believe in it fully, but we have to recognize people and animals are all different, and modalities of treatment in regards to physiology must be done with respect and due diligence.
1) How did this person know for sure the cat was fully dewormed? They gave it something and assumed it was done? (I'm not arguing I'm just wondering how one knows)
2) I have been giving my cat oregano oil for about two years. It keeps the fleas off here and I have seen no side effects. She willingly drinks oregano water. I will perform an experiment and put one bowl of oregano water and one of regular water and see which she drinks.
>>"How did this person know for sure the cat was fully dewormed?"
How does anyone know really? You take the deworming herbs, zap, eat well, do your best, etc. In the case of this cat, it had been on the Dr. Clark pet deworming protocol since it was 5 mos old. It also had been treated and examed by a vet for worms. I don't know how more dewormed you can get as a domestic pet.
>>"I have been giving my cat oregano oil for about two years"
That's your choice and I'm not here to judge, just here to warn. Even small doses of essential oils can build-up over time and make a cat sick because feline livers have a hard time eliminating it. My cat takes one sniff of Oregano Oil in water and is repulsed. I respect that. If your's likes it, I find that odd, but perhaps there's something in it, it needs. I have no idea. Just research it a little and make your own conclusion.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, I've since decided to use the Oil of Oregano on my furniture to keep my cat from scratching it. It fills the air with the aromas (healthy for me!) and saves my sofa!
WOW, you must be smarter than all those MOUSE studies that they base drug use upon, seems most studies are on animals to see if drugs would work for humans.
I had a cat once that weighed about a pound, maybe 2 at the most, it could not raise it's own head, i assume it had the feline leukminia, because most of the cats in the entire neighborhood ALL DIED. I gave this near dead cat HUGE DOSES of cayenne and tinctured (alcohol) herbs, to make a long story short, the cat weighed about 10# a month later and being male, I assume he had to travel far to find a lady friend because all that he had grown up around were all DEAD. I will assume a coyote got him, because after a few round trips he never came back, that or someone took him in as a house cat.
The WORSE things about CATS are they are small and NO ONE takes care of them until they are near dead.
The ONLY THING I CAN SAY about your theory is that your science probably is about VACCINATED CATSm because no good scicentist would experiement on a non-vaccinated cat and odds are they stole the cat or purchased it to TORTURE in a grant provided lab.
I agree with you, don't give good herbs to vaccinated cats, same goes to vaccinated humans, let them decide on their own what is best and with the cat, he will choose green grass, which is his best medicine.
Dr. John R. Christopher and his son today hear all kind of crap about herbs because of some study that used false data to prove a point that usually turns out FALSE a few years later when a grant pays the same scientist to study a differant theory.
I don't suggest anyone use herbs as medicines and when people do use herbs they are self experimenting which is their right.
With your specific theory, it would be interesting just how you dewormed the cat and even if you used a herb dewormer, who knows that the oregano did not work allot better. If you used my dewormer the joke is on you, it has plenty of oregano in it and so far has been used in some incredable doses, etc.
PUPPY can take 15 drops of pure oregano and in 15 seconds be perfectly normal. I don't have any cats thanks to all the coyotes, but if I did I would know if your theroy had any weight to it. I will bet a NON-VACCINATED FARM CAT (and not some toxic city cat)could take the pure oregano by mouth with ZERO PROBLEMS, because the farm cat could always eat grass when needed, if needed.
Dr. Christopher proved every scientific test that stated certain herbs were bad by simple looking at the data and seen how flawed they had to do it to get their false finding that had no evidence.
Take the case of comfrey, a few who hated Dr. Christopher tried for many, many years to say his comfrey was not usable to the liver just the same way your saying the poor cat can't handle oregano today. Dr. Christopher proved them all wrong while he was alive, but after the factory sold many times, a owner bowed down and agreed to take comfrey out of the formulas and the company floundered and went backrupt and David Christopher took it back and rebuilt it, but the agreement about comfrey stuck because of the agreement the prior owners made with the fda, the same fda that haunted Dr. Christopher much of his life, but was not able to ever find one human that would say one bad thing about comfrey or any herb he used.
"IF" I believed that cats could not handle oregano, I would have to assume they could not handle comfrey as well. The only thing I can say is no one or no animal chooses when it dies, same as none chooses when they shale be born.
It would also be interesting to know how much oregano was used and how it was used, as well as the cats diet and present condition before it was fed oregano. Normally the animal is 90% dead when a owner tries a last resort herb, but who knows in this case and it does not matter, time is better spent on the living and not the dead. "IF" the question lengers I will have to go next door and snatch one of my neighbors many half wild barn cats and see how well it likes oregano.
The reason I do not believe the theory is because the CAT eats darn near anything as well does it eat herbs, that proves to me the cat liver can handle allot of things.
How come the kitties like to go outside, eat grass and then puke it up on the carpet?? I figure they need to purge something. Mine is so addicted to bad dry food she cries and cries if she doesn't get it. Hopefully the OOO helps.
>>>" gave this near dead cat HUGE DOSES of cayenne and tinctured (alcohol) herbs"
So what. We are talking about Pure Wild Oregano Oil (e.g. all essential oils) here.
>>>"With your specific theory, it would be interesting just how you dewormed the cat"
Dr Clark herbs regularly and it was also given vet pharma drugs for intestinal worms once.
>>"If you used my dewormer the joke is on you, it has plenty of oregano in it and so far has been used in some incredable doses, etc"
>>"I will bet a NON-VACCINATED FARM CAT (and not some toxic city cat)could take the pure oregano by mouth with ZERO PROBLEMS, because the farm cat could always eat grass when needed, if needed"
I doubt it. Cat livers are the same vaccinated or unvaccinated. There is a huge difference between eating grass or other natural state plants/herbs, and something that is a high concentrated substance extracted manually from leaves of a wild oregano plant. I'm surprised a master herbalist doesn't make that distinction. I highly doubt a farm cat would readily eat or nibble on an oregano plant in the wild, let alone a powerful essential oil contained inside. If cats have no repulsion to essential oils, why do some manufacturers make anti-scratch sprays made out of them to put on your furniture? To keep them away!
>>"It would also be interesting to know how much oregano was used and how it was used, as well as the cats diet and present condition before it was fed oregano"
From what the owner told me, it was given a pretty concentrated dose on the skin of a tick bite. Prior to that, they had been giving the cat diluted amounts orally. The skin application seem to put the cat over the edge. It has since recovered however.
What a story, it had seemed the poor cat had been instantly killed with a little dose of oregano, but now a ill can can use and expel the oregano, YET a cat's liver can't handle oregano, TOO CONFUSING FOR ME.
The vet uses drugs that MUST KILL THE CAT at a certan dose, or it is not a drug that ONLY he can use.
The person in question most likely beyong all doubts gave oregano to a cat that was most likely constipated, I would suggest putting a drop of oregano on its butt or close to it, this stimulates the elimination of contipation and would be the best cure for most all house cats that are clogged tight by time of death with all the gell foods they feed from the can.
Humans do well with rubbing a small drop of oregano on their tail bone, it will burn for an hour and anything stuck in the colon may just come flying out with all that stimulation, it is also an ancient method of increasing awareness, etc.
Now that I know the cat did not die, I won't bother grabbing a barn cat and see what he does with a mouthful of oregano.
>>"Now that I know the cat did not die, I won't bother grabbing a barn cat and see what he does with a mouthful of oregano."
LOL. The cat lived thanks to 3 detox baths, IV hydration, no food, and the grace of God. I sense you're probably afraid to dose a barn cat with OO now for fear that you may be wrong. But oh well, you wouldn't be the 1st to stop learning due to ego. I'd bet you anything you'd have to force the cat. His natural instinct would be pure repulsion with one whiff!
Thanks for the tip on the tail bone though. I shall try that myself!
That must be one tuff cat, I would think the IV and 3 detox baths would have been enough to frighten him to death. When I have the opportunity I will see if the oregano causes the putty cat to expel his worms and climb a tree faster than he ever thought possible.
hmmm ... I'm 5'7" tall and weight 144. I cut back from 4 drops of oregano oil twice a day because the 8th drop causes ALOT of gas ... I'm not ready to tolerate that! So enough oregano oil to make a cat reek of it was how many time too much??????
Yeah, no kidding. I am not the owner of the cat but it must have been a pretty high concentration. Plus the fact is; given the physiological nature of felines, it was agressively rejecting the absorbtion of oil so smell was exiting rapidly.