Yes, many people were skeptical, and decided to analyze their stones.
But, unfortunately, not every lab has the equipment to prove that stones are composed of cholesterol, bile, pigment ...
Analysis can only give composition of the stone, it can not prove that a stone came from liver of from gallbladder.
Most stones collected after Liver Flush are formed from bile.
Bile is composed of: cholesterol, bile, pigment, bilirubin, biliverdin, protein , calcium.
Analysis can only prove what stones are composed of.
There is a possibility that stones are formed from bile, but formed inside intestines, not only inside billiary bile ducts.
If results of analysis are: cholesterol, bile, pigment, bilirubin, biliverdin, protein , calcium, then there is no doubt that analyzed stone is indeed made from bile ... but we still don't know where the bile precipitated into stones.
When bile precipitates into stones inside gallbladder or inside bile ducts ... these are then called Gallstones or intrahepatic stones.
When bile precipitates into stones inside intestines ... it may be called feces.
This simple experiment can be used to find out if your stones are formed inside intestines or inside billiary tree:
Is it true that stones ( liver stones or gallstones) people get when doing liver cleanse are actually small balls of soap formed inside bowel over night?
Some doctors claim that stones are olive oil soap!
Soap is a salt of fatty acid.
How Soaps Are Made ?
The chemical reaction that produces soap is called saponification. It occurs when a hot caustic alkali solution, such as caustic soda (sodium hydroxide = natrium hydroxide = NaOH), acts on natural fats or oils to produce a smooth, semisolid, fatty acid salt (soap) and glycerin, or glycerol.
The boiling process.
Soap can easily be made at home by boiling water with animal fat or vegetable oils and wood ash. As the water boils, the fat molecules are broken down into fatty acids. Saponification occurs when these fatty acids react with potassium carbonate from the ash to form soap.
Main difference between soap and cholesterol stones!
If stones were soap, you could easily dissolve them in water.
Soap made of olive oil is liquid, not hard like cholesterol stones!
It takes days on open air, before olive oil soap hardens, suppose that there is no extra water around!
Olive oil Soaps are liquid and are water soluble (even in cold water)!
If stones were soap, they would be dissolved in water inside human body, inside intestines, they would not come out as a solid, green stones surrounded with liquid.
Cholesterol Stones - product of liver cleansing - are solid, waxy and are not soluble in water.
Cholesterol Stones can melt in hot water, but are still not soluble in hot water.
Amount of caustic alkali ingredients in bile is not enough to produce thousands of stones.
Temperature inside human body is too low, to produce olive oil soap.
Read carefully those differences, before you next time assume that Cholesterol Stones - product of liver cleansing - are actually made of olive oil soap - soap created inside intestines, over night, as some docs are trying (hard) to make you believe.
WARNING: Always add your solid form lye, sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide, to the liquid. If the liquid were added to the solid form lye a violent reaction could result. This means you could have a "volcano" erupt out of your container.
Always wear protective goggles, gloves and other safety clothing when handling sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide. Refer to the appropriate MSDS for complete details.
Basic Soapmaking Instructions
While wearing safety goggles and neoprene gloves, combine solid lye and liquid, stir well. Set aside and allow to cool (100° F to 125° F). This is best done outside while you are standing upwind.
Combine oils and heat gently. Once the fats and oils are melted allow the temperature to drop to 100° F to 125° F.
Combine lye solution and melted oils. Be careful not to splash while combining the mixtures. Stir until the mixture traces. If tracing takes more than 15 minutes, which it often does, stir for the first 15 minutes, then stir for 5 minutes at 15 minute intervals. Tracing looks like a slightly thickened custard, not instant pudding but a cooked custard. It will support a drop, or your stir marks for several seconds. Once tracing occurs...
Pour raw soap into your prepared molds. After a few days the soap can be turned out of the mold. If the soap is very soft, allow it to cure for a few days to firm the outside.
Cut soap into bars and set the bars out to cure and dry. This will allow the bar to firm and finish saponification. Place the bars on something that will allow them to breathe.
The ancient Romans made soap from animal fat and wood ashes, but these early soaps were apparently used only for medical purposes. Not until the 2nd century AD were soaps recognized as cleaning agents. The transformation of soapmaking from a handicraft to an industry was aided by Nicolas LeBlanc's discovery in about 1790 of a process for manufacturing soda ash from brine (a form of salt).
During World War II, efforts were made to develop synthetic cleaning agents, or detergents. Detergents became increasingly popular substitutes for soap for almost all applications except bathing. Half of these detergents were ABS-based, and by the late 1950s their heavy use had caused foam to collect in many major rivers, lakes, and oceans across the world.
Such pollution had not been a problem with soaps because some types of bacteria can digest and break down soap molecules. The synthetic detergent molecules, however, were too complex for bacteria to break down. The problem was solved by simplifying the structure of the hydrocarbon portion of ABS. In the latter half of the 20th century, other components of detergents, such as phosphates, were found to cause a different form of water pollution. Today increasing efforts are being made to find harmless biodegradable substitutes for harmful detergent ingredients. (See also Pollution, Environmental.)
How to count stones ?
Why should I try to keep my stones ?
You can use white, plastic colander that fits and put it into toilet bowl.
Holes shoild not be bigger then 2 mm, or small stones (that are very
common) will go straight through.
Then, after empting intestines, when you see something inside colander (stones), you wash them with water.
Then you put them on the white paper, to dry them.
Then you can count them, take a photo, cut them, weight them, examine them with rubber glowes, knife, microscope, water, nose, vinegar, oils, ...
You can try to find what can dissolve them, for example.
If you have any knowledge of chemistry, try to use it.
To preserve them for longer then 1 day, you can freez them or put thme in formaldehyde or vinegar.
If you don't, it may happen they get "attacked" by intestinal bacteria, and converted into fatty cholesterol acids.
Some stones are so solid that they don't need to be preserved.
Unles you wear a special mask, you will for sure notice the smell, (very different then feces).
You will see that they are not soap, or feces.
Soap or feces is water soluable, liver and GB stones are not.
Soap smell different. Feces smell different. Oil smell different.
Soap and feces are heavier then water, most stones float, even after many months in water.
Why should you try to keep your stones?
As there is almost nothing in modern Science to be found about those stones and flushing, we, everybody here, including you, are just collecting facts and experiences to bridge that scientific gap.
You and I have chance to contribute to modern Science as much as anyone else.
It is very important to take a photo and/or to keep those stones.
After one year you may forget how big stones you passed 12 months gao, and how many?
After few months you may get a chance or money to anlyze them and know what they are made from?
After few years you may want to show it to your kids, grandchildren,
relatives, friends, doctor, ...
How many of you asked question: What are the facts and science about flush and stones?
Why don't may doctor recomends it ?
Why ther is almost nothing in literature about stones, liver and link to allergies, shoulder pain, ashtma, colitis, cancer ... ?
If you want your children to avoid asking that questin, then you, and we all should do something to collect as many fats as we can.
Photo is the most simple proof of succesful flush.
Your story as also a great contribution to science.
Few things to remember when posting your story! Do not forget to write:
- Your age and gender (gender, because names like Danielle, Denis, Robin, Dax, P.T., J.K. ... can be nick names, or real names both male and female.
This group is international, and not everyone knows that Danielle is
a male name. )
- your health and symptoms with as many details as you can remember.
- number of stones you got, size, colour, (even smell), and take a photo, (does not have to be digital !!!)
- if this is your 3rd or 6th or 12th flush, say that. Say also if and how do you feel, after so many flushes, ...
- how many people you personally know who did this cleanse
- how many members of your familly should do this cleanse ....
- a new members are signing to this group every day, do not be affraid to repeat all this info after every cleanse you do.
Help yourself, and help others. Bring facts to the surface.
If you don't do your best to bring the facts, tomorrow, you will be
watching you grandchildren suffer from allergies, asthma, ear pain, ... harmfull medications, and you will not be able to change that, becuse your son-in-law (or daughter-in-law or ...) is a doctor or sceptic and/or he/she does not believe in what you say, because that is just a "quackery".
> Have anyone had their stones analyzed?
There is a story reported in The Lancet, medical journal.
"Apple Juice and the Chemical-Contact Softening of Gallstones," Dekkers R, Lancet, December 18/25, 1999;354:2171. #34484.
Lancet December 18/25, 1999 354:2171
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The Lancet reported the use of one quart of pure apple juice for one week. After one full week of the apple juice one cup of olive oil was used just before going to bed. The person was instructed to lay on their left side during the night.
This is an anecdotal case report of a female who, for 1 week, consumed 1 liter of apple juice daily and, on the seventh day, 1 cup of olive oil before going to bed, resulting in documented fatty stones found in her stools.
and is a quote from Dr. Lewis who wrote: ""Are you 'Stoned'?" by chiropractor
Claude M. Lewis, Edith Hiett and Leon Hiett.
To quote from Dr Lewis:
"To clarify the situation and eliminate such questions, I sent a sample of
gall stones to a medical analysis lab run by a Ph.D. who heads up the Science
Department at Texas Woman's University in Denton. He ran the necessary testsâ€¦
His analysis of the stone sample I sent was 91% cholesterol and the rest was
bile salts, water and inert ingredients. In other words, the sample had the
chemical contents of gall stones. And the report clearly states it was gall
My opinion of chiropractors is not nearly as high as it once was, but that
doesn't detract from the lab analysis that Dr. Lewis had done. 91%
cholesterol means that they will float quite nicely. From all of the
postings and all the sites out there that have pictures, it seems obvious to
me that the flushes are producing/expelling gallstones.
By the way, that site has a flush also. Probably a little more difficult
than the Epsom Salt routine, but one that I'll try on my next flush.
National University of Singapore, Lower Kent Ridge Road, Singapore 0511.
Koh reports here a case of spontaneous passage of multiple cholesterol gall-stones after self-treatment with olive oil and lemon juice.
It is estimated that Gallstones are present in approximately 15% of adult females and 6% of adult males, and its prevalence increases with age. Although it is generally agreed that there is a need for surgical treatment, in patients with cholelithiasis who develop complications, the treatment of 'silent stones' is controversial.
At present, the application of drug treatment of cholelithiasis is relatively expensive and limited, usually for those unfit for surgery, with small radiolucent stones, and without history of complications.
Other methods of treatment of gall stones have also been described. Kurtz and Classen have reported that treatment for common bile duct stones may include endoscopic removal and lithotripsy, and gallstone dissolution by irrigation procedures.
The patient, a 32-year old Indian male, insurance salesman, had a 3-year history of epigastric pain and colicky right hypochondrial pain whenever he took fatty meals. Physical examination was unremarkable and a barium meal study showed no evidence of gastro-oesophageal reflux or hiatus hernia, and no evidence of gastric or duodenal ulcer. However, the plain abdominal X-ray revealed multiple radio-opaque gallstones.
The patient was advised surgery for cholelithiasis, but was not enthusiastic about the idea. He returned the following day with news that he had attempted a self-cure for the Gallstones using olive oil and lemon juice. According to him, after fasting from noon, he took one pint of olive oil and lemon juice at 7 p.m. He then went to sleep on his right side. At about 2 - 3 a.m., the following morning, he felt a churning sensation in the abdomen. At 5 a.m. he passed out oily stools which he collected in a strainer. Upon washing the stools, he found numerous smooth stones.
Analysis of two of the stones showed them to be greenish, smooth and soft, measuring 15 x 12 x 5 mm and 10 x 6 x 3 mm, respectively.
The stones were found to consist entirely of cholesterol.
P.Airola in his book How to Get Well has described an 'oil cure' for removal of gallstones, using raw natural unrefined vegetable oils of olive, sunflower or walnut, while Roberts has prescribed a specific dosage of 1 pint of olive oil and the juice of 8 to 9 lemons. The patient is required to take 4 tablespoonfuls of olive oil followed by 1 tablespoonful of lemon juice at 15-minute intervals. This is to be started in the evening after fasting from lunch time, and the gallstones are expected to be passed out within 24 to 48 hours.
This form of treatment has been largely promoted by non-physicians, but a doctor from Canada (Kotkas L.J.) has reported that 95% of cases he saw this treatment used on passed out gallstones.
This treatment is non-invasive, and numerous stones measuring up to 15 mm could be passed out. As the olive oil cure could perhaps prove to be a relatively inexpensive alternative to costly conventional drug treatments, it is suggested that controlled and supervised studies could be considered to explore the safety and efficacy of this mode of treatment for gallstones.
I just did my first liver cleanse using the ' Hulda Clark ' recipe. I got about 50 'stones' - all green, all fairly soft, the largest about the size of a big pea and about the same texture. I attempted to preserve them in water, but they began to dissolve/break up. I then tried to keep them in a cardboard box at room temperature, but they began to 'melt' (lose their shape and form a greasy patch in the box as if they were made of fat).
Why these stones partly soluble in water and why do they 'melt' at room temperature? Cholesterol melts at 146 degrees C (see http://www.beloit.edu/~chem/Chem230/labs/lab4.doc) so what are these 'stones' made of ? And if they melt at room temperature why don't they just melt in your liver which is at 37 degrees C ? Can someone explain? Are they just fat globules with bile making them partly soluble?