Can someone help me with this question? Does Candida prefer an Acidic or Alkaline environment in the gut? The makers of Threelac suggest it thrives in an Acidic environment, and that Threelac turns the gut environment to Alkaline. However I have read elsewhere that it thrives in an Alkaline environment. The answer to this question will help me decide whether to continue to use Threelac after 6 months of therapy and no real perceived benefits, or to stop it and try something different.
Candida thrives in an acidic environment; however, if you've been taking Threelac with no results, I suggest you stop throwing good money after bad.
Threelac seems to be most effective if you catch candida right away. If you don't catch it right away, then the best solution is bowel cleansing, an anti-candida diet, and plenty of deep enemas and colonics. You've got to clean out as much as you can then take probiotics - friendly microbes - so that they can keep the balance. I prefer "Primal Defense."
Also, your symptoms may be leaky gut now, not candida. If the candida was around and threatened long enough - which Threelac and anti-biotics do - then it will fight back by growing into a virulent Rhyzome stage. When it reaches this stage, it looks totally different, like Celery instead of peas, if you catch my drift. Then it can punch holes in the gut and cause leaky gut syndrome, which means you have large toxins floating around your blood and sensitivities to gluten. The above protocols will help you with this.
In addition, your liver has now been very very stressed by the candida and leaky gut, so a series of Liver Flushes followed by enemas are most likely to get you feeling good right away.
I cured my candida without Threelac after taking antibiotics for injuries 3 times in one year, and I still have all my original dental fillings. If I can do it, so can you!!! :)
Thanks for the advice and I certainly will stop it now. The only reason I hung in there is that the person I was buying the products off suggested to give it 6 months. I did have a small improvement at the beginning, but soon faltered after that. I guess I am just tenacious and determined and if I am told to give it so long, I will. Maybe thats stupid also.
I have since found a leading scientist/doctor in the US who has advised me that Candida prefers an Alkaline PH in the gut, and not an Acidic one. This does contradict what you have said, but I presume you are just quoting what Global Health Trax are saying. If indeed Candida does prefer an Alkaline PH, then the whole premise of Threelac is out the window as far as I am concerned. This doctor told me that (quote) "This is why people are helped by taking Acidophilus. Acidophilus means acid-loving. It is a yeast that produces acid, which candida does not like and cannot thrive in".
I read in "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" that candida prefers an alkaline environment. This confuses me, though, because everything I've read says we should strive for an alkaline environment to maintain optimal digestive (and overall) health. How then is acid is good for candida and bad for everything else?
you are right - I too have read conflicting stuff on the acid/alkaline thing. Hopefully Shelleycat or someone else can answer this one.
As for giving threelac 6 months ... what would you say if I asked you to give me 6 months of your life? Don't worry I've spent the last year on failed remedies.
The only way we are going to get better is if we cure our underlying conditions - organ weakness, immune dysfunction etc. I'm not saying that threelac or something similar can't play a small part in that - but if its not doing you any good why persist?
What I am saying, is that the body *overall* requires a PH balance of 7, which is more alkaline than acidic. If you go even 1.5 points off in either direction in the bloodstream, you'd suffer stroke, cardiac arrest and die.
What it is in the GUT in particular I don't know, and shouldn't be a concern, because when the BODY has healthy PH, and the gut is clean and full of friendly flora, and the liver is working, there is no way candida can get out of balance.
So your question is actually superfluous. I was answering your intent to make up for that. Yeasts feed on simple sugars, get out of control due to antibiotics, sugar, weak digestion and bile flow, weak liver, poor diet leading to unhealthy PH and mineral depletion, and is kept in balance by acidopholus and bifidis. That is all you really need to understand in order to bring it back into balance. :)
But the makers/distributors of Threelac suggest the reason why it stops Candida dead in its tracks is because it turns the Gut PH to Alkaline, and according to them, Candida cannot handle living in an Alkaline environment and therefore die. Apparently Threelacs mechanism of activity is not through killing the yeast directly (ie; is not Fungicidal). This is their big selling point if you read their literature, and it's a big assumption if what I have read elsewhere suggest that Candida thrives in a gut PH that is Alkaline. Now this question may seem superfluous to you but to me it directly relates to whether I will continue to use Threelac or not. At $100 Aussie a tin it's fairly important to me to find the truth. What concerns me is that two extremely well trained doctors/scientists can have two entirely different views on this subject which is something that I thought would or could be determined simply enough via a test tube. I have nothing against Threelac or Global Health Trax, I've certainly given them enough of my hard earned money over the last six months, I just would to know if I am heading up the right path or not.
Considering that they also claim a cure in 3 months and that hasn't happened yet, I'd give up on them.
What I read about Threelac is that it is full of microbes that attack and eat the yeast, I never read that it changes the acidity of the gut. They claim to have harvested and preserved microbes that are like scavengers and yeast-eating carnivores.
here's a quote:
The secret behind ThreeLac's effectiveness is the micro-encapsulation process that gets the candida yeast fighting live bacteria safely past the acidic environment in the stomach.
Once in the intestines, these oxygen-friendly bacteria go to work "dining" on anaerobic problem organisms like candida yeast.
That was GREAT!!! Not one antifungal to give credit to! This will help a lot of people here that have read your very helpful messages get a good start on not only minimizing the yeasty beasty but to finally gain a new leash on health & vitality, and stop this out of control spiraling trying to find a cure. I plan to be one of those people very soon. The CoQ10, How do you incorporate this into the plan, basically I am tyring to find out if all you mentioned can be done at the same time? I am pretty sure most could be spreaded out during the day, but I see you mentioned MSM along with liver herbs so this is why I asked.
Thanks so much Ms. Shelleycat!
"Happy New Years"
I hope I can add some light to this - I am taking S. Boulardii at the moment which is one of the ingredients in 3lac, and works similarly. Basically no-one knows *exactly* how it works, but it works to displace pathogenic yeasts/bacteria in the gut. It is very agressive. The only problem is that these things are not natural inhabitants of the gut and are quickly eliminated within a week or so (by normal bowel flora) if supplementation is stopped.
In my case I got some candida in my stools and could feel my bloating go down a lot as well as my other symptoms. Now candida didn't show up in my great smokies stools test, and 5 months of bowel cleansing didn't turn up anything, yet this good yeast S. Boulardii was able to do this within a few days.
So then why not just displace all the candida? Well you could in theory, but for a start you would have to take an absolutely huge dosage. To the extent that I've read of experiements conducted in mice where S. Boulardii was fed to candida carrying mouse in doses which no human could ever consume. Even then, whilst drastically reducing the candida, some still remained which would come back when supplementation stopped.
At the moment I am taking up to 10 times the recommended dosage. The more you take the larger the population established in the gut, and the more candida is displaced. But I am under no dellusions about this being a cure. It is not. The candida quickly adapts.
So why take it then? Well firstly it acts as a stop-gap - relieving symptoms so that your body can get on with healing. Now Derrek - this doesn't seem to be happening in your case with 3lac, so why continue taking it?
Another reason for taking S. Boulardii is that it increases the body's natural resistance to fungus - i.e. its Secretory Immunogloblin A count (sIga). The body has been fighting candida so long that it fails to recognize it as an outside invader. Now this other yeast comes along, and the body does recognize it as an invader and starts mounting a defence. Mcuh of this defence is generalised and will work against other pathogens such as candida.
For this reason S. Boulardii (and I suspect 3lac) should not be taken for long periods because the body will adapt to it thus reducing one of the core reasons for taking it.
Such agressive displacement bacteria/yeasts have a place in a candida healing programme, but only when used wisely. In themselves they cure nothing.
Well, Threelac does gobble up candida and it is helping many people.
I do understand it does not work for everyone as in most protocals.
I had candida for 4 1/2 yrs so I had it pretty deep and I couldnt get rid of it. It would ALWAYS show its ugly face when I had a stress bout in my life. Threelac did sure mine along with the Oxygen.
I would like you to email the product specialist at Global Health trax she will email you back and is very honest and sharp.
I do wish you the best and hope you find a cure.
By the way do you have an alternative Doctor or someone sho does muscle testing?