The below is something I have copied and pasted from my research on this matter. It can be a harmful bacteria, but we have it in our systems already! Those who have candida often dont have any or little bacteria and that is why the candida yeast has been able to thrive in the first place, just like yeast in our body, we already have some but when it gets out of hand it causes havock. I can agree that possibly Threelac may not be good over a long term, but for the initial cleansing of candida, so far, it has been successfu with me and my massage therapists daughter also has been cured of candida by Threelac AND eliminating white Sugar and white flour from her diet and eating a healthy balanced diet and exercise. There are no miracle supplements. Please take the time to read the below and visit the website where I found the information. There are many website that will speak on the one side of an issue and wont share all the information. scifichick
Enterococcus faecalis is an opportunistic bacterium that has become one of the most troublesome hospital pathogens. It has intrinsic resistance to many antibiotics and a remarkable capacity for developing resistance to others
Enterococcus faecalis is a Gram-positive, facultatively anaerobic, cocci which occurs singly, in pairs or short chains. It is a normal inhabitant of the intestinal tract and female genital tract.
Scientists have identified a virulence region never seen before in the genome of Enterococcus faecalis - a leading cause of bacterial infection among hospital patients. This bacterium lives peacefully in the human gut, but it also thrives on wounds and burns. Researchers have identified a group of genes that may contribute to the bacterium's transformation from being harmless in the gut to a menacing invader. There has long been concern about the dangers of antibiotic resistance and its implications for the return of infectious diseases that cannot be effectively treated. It is argued that hospitals are not only spreading bacteria from patient to patient, but are also harbouring a tougher breed of bug-one that is resistant to antibiotics.
The sequencing of the genome reinforces knowledge of the remarkable fluidity of the bacterial gene pool. This fluidity allows bacteria to exchange DNA to enhance their ability to cause disease or their resistance to antibiotics.
Generally these microbes live harmlessly in the intestine however until the entire genome was sequenced, scientists did not realise that a quarter of enterococcus' genome is made-up of mobile DNA and within these regions are genes for vancomycin resistance and for virulence. Vancomycin is the last-resort antibiotic in fighting infection.
Enterococcus faecalis is extremely hardy and can survive for weeks on environmental surfaces; cheese - 180 days; soil up to 77 days; soiled linen up to 90 days, cultures at -70? C for several years.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do your homework on this....Scifichick is so right!!! This stuff is bad for ANYONE that has a leaky gut, ie. anyone that has long-term problems with candida (like me!) This stuff is fine in the intestines, but when it gets throughout the body it raises HELL!!!!
Hospitals can't kill this stuff!!!! Once it infects, you can't get rid of it!!!!
You know how there's always news about how people die in hospitals due to a bacteria infection???? WELL, THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST KILLERS!!!!
I don't know why GHT put this in THREELAC and FIVELAC, but it is not good for you....PERIOD!!!
If you aren't getting any better (like myself) then stop and do your homework!!!!
Honestly, I don't see ANY reason why people would us this product!!!
This guy sells a competing product that can't compete with Threelac. He goes all over the internet smearing Threelac so he can sell more of his product. The truth is that Threelac is and has always been safe. There is simply no better product for Candida treatment.
Here are some good links:
I used threelac right about the time I also found Curezone. It seems like it works at first and then my hair started falling out in GOBS and I started to get stomach aches! I started getting worse itching and psoriasis too. Threelac is a HUGE SCAM! If you take 3lac, you putting your health in serious danger! I'm saying this as a prevoius buyer of the product. I don't sell anything.
If you want to get healthy, change your diet, do liver flushes, do colonics and exercise.
I'm sorry to hear that you had the experience that you did with ThreeLac. Candidiasis is as complex a phenomenon as it is a monstrous one, and I'm thinking either your physiology had a bad reaction to one of the lactic acids in ThreeLac (in the way that some people are lactose-intolerant, though I'm not sure if lactic acids and lactose are the same thing, I'm just guessing) or you have some other complicating factor. But I don't think that means that you should run around the Internet telling people that Threelac is a scam just because it didn't work for *you*.
You've misunderstood. I said it made me very ill and made my health worse for my trouble, which is somewhat worse than just not working. I'm only posting to warn people. I was keeping in touch with others who were using it a few years back and they also stated they became worse for having tried it also. The biggest complaint was they were losing tons of hair too. If others feel they still need to give it a try, they can. Yet if they are posting and want to know what my experiences are and what my true opinion is, I'm going to tell them. I am a caring person and don't want others to suffer though the same bad experience I did with Threelac. The history of posts speak for themselves. I do also worry that some of the people who defend it are sellers who aren't about to disclose thier true motivation. Buyer beware. They can either take a chance on Threelac, or get healthy naturally and a heck of a lot cheaper and safer. The CureZone way is the right way. That is my opinion. You are entitled to your own. :)
Fair enough. Sometimes ThreeLac and other candida-targeting pro-biotics make you feel worse before they make you feel better. Was what you were experiencing more than one should be expected to "tough out" in anticipation of better effects in the near future?
I just started taking ThreeLAC after many battles with health issues over the years. I am still in my 20's but feel like I am 20 years older. It is no fun. If you talk to anyone who knows me, I am the healthiest person you'll meet. I juice, I eat more than the recommended serving of veggies a day (I can't handle the intense Sugar of fruits), I eat sprouted grains, no refined sugars or processed foods, do not eat regular salt (mineral balanced Sea Salt ), and eat free-range organic meats and no dairy--and that is just the basics. Yet, I still have health problems. Yes, I have been trying to recolonize with 'good" bacteria, etc... etc... so now I am trying ThreeLAC and honestly, I am not sure if it working yet. I have been on the product for about a month---my regular symptoms have intensified which I believe is die off.... Anyway, bottom line, I am a healthy eater, a careful consumer and it has taken lots of research on my end to buy this product.
And yes, I have been to many allopathic doctors and spent several thousands of dollars, I have been to all types of alternative practitioners you could think of. I have worked on mind/body healing, etc... etc...
Please instead of selling products, as I am sure some of you are on this board, or bashing 3LAC because you have another product to sell, let's not use scare tactics to scare people out of buying product, just to sell the another. Let's be honest with eachother and take the money and profit out of the equation and just be human. A lot of people on this board have experienced a low quality of life because of debilitating health issues (me included) so instead of tearing eachother a new one, let's support each other in our quest to finding something that helps us.
Maybe 3LAC did not work for some, maybe it did. Let's uncover the reasons why and why not. We are all different and must approach the healing process differently. Please don't discourage others in finding their path to a healthy life. And for the people who are suffering with severe health ailments, don't give up and don't be discouraged by naysayers out there. Be a smart consumer make your choice logically and carefully, and I hope you will find a cure to your ailments.
Virgolover, you are in the right of it. You seem to have a balanced and unbiased point to make. Some people have an ax to grind and you can tell it in the way they post. People like you are the kind I listen to on blogs.
I have Candida. I want to thank everyone of you out there who posted and post your experiencies with ThreeLac. I have decided not to use it; Thanks God to all of you.
I have started to heal myself with natural remedies. I try to eat different food everyday. I excluded the sweet and bready stuff from my meals. And I can say I feel great. It has been only a week so far, but I can see improvements. I was diagnosed earlier with acid reflux(I was having problems breathing and could not sleep well during the nights), that's gone so far. I sleep well and my breathing has been improving. I had numb legs, now the episodes are almost gone. I had white and red pimples around my tongue, now one or two are only left. I will keep eating healthy I promise. I have to exercise more often though. I wanted to share that with you all as you all guys help me a lot.
im sorry but i am unhappy that the few genuine reports of problems with threelac and fivelac have been ignored.
i would like to share my personal experience with fivelac. i am a naturopathic doctor, eat correctly and exercise daily. my health is excellent but i decided to try fivelac to see if it could give me further health benefits.
after a few weeks i didnt really notice anything much apart from my stools becoming a lighter colour, but after four weeks use i have actually started to feel quite unwell. i am experiencing extreme bloating, wind and diarrhoea after every meal and i am pretty sure its because of the fivelac because i havent made any other changes in my diet. i have never had a digestive system disorder before in my life. my current symptoms are precisely the same as ibs. when i first started experiencing the problems i put it down to herximer reaction but i am certain that it isnt herximer.
its just my 2 cents but i think that ght has maybe gotten their formula wrong and maybe the e faecialis ingredient is actually harmful and pathogenic as reported by others.
in an attempt to cure myself of my fivelac induced ibs i will be using an ordinary probiotic yogurt plus aloe vera juice plus a zapper. i will report back at the forum soon.
I'm curious how you #80142 poster are feeling after taking the Threelac you reported about??
I was so close to ordering some for myself til I did a little research on my own. I'm surprised you didn't being a doctor?
As for the Safety of using Threelac one needs only Google its primary ingredient: Enterococcus faecalis on the web to find numerous scientific sites that warn of the dangers!
"Like other species in the genus Enterococcus, E. faecalis can cause life-threatening infections in humans and monkeys, especially in the nosocomial (hospital) environment." Like someone else wrote, I don't think you could pay me to take that! If you have a leaky gut, this could enter your bloodstream.
Enterococcus faecalis TH10, an isolate from a Malaysian fermentation food tempeh, was found to produce a potent antimicrobial activity against enterohemorrhagic bacterium, Escherichia coli O-157. In contrast to bacteriocins typically produced by strains of E. faecalis, antimicrobial components of E. faecalis TH10 did not cause the lysis of blood samples of the rabbit and the human. The antimicrobial activity of E. faecalis TH10 showed distinct characteristics from those of typical bacteriocins; it retained activity after treatment with various proteolyiic enzymes, and it showed poor antimicrobial activity against closely related lactic acid bacteria. E. faecalis TH40, showing the increased production of antimicrobial activity by several folds, was derived from the TH10 strain by ultraviolet light irradiation. A major antimicrobial component of E. faecalis TH40 was readily purified by column chromatography, crystallized from ethyl acetate, and identified as succinic acid. Besides succinic acid, E. faecalis TH40 produced neutral antimicrobial components but they were only partially purified due to low recovery during the purification steps. (author abst.)
Anti-Bacterial Activity of Probiotics Lactic Acid Bacteria Enterococcus Faecalis TH10 and
Transduction of Human Intestinal Tracts Cohesive Factor to E. Faecalis TH 10
By: Iichiroh Ohhira, Ph.D.
Currently, a large number of lactic acid bacteria utilized for live bacterial products are derived from human intestinal bacteria. Enterococcus faecalis, one of the representative strains, has been utilized as live bacteria products with balancing activity of intestines since the 1950s. The E. faecalis TH10 used in this study was isolated from traditional fermented food “tempeh” in Malaysia, which main ingredients are soybeans. This strain does not produce hemolysin but shows protease activity more than six times in comparison to other ordinary lactic acid bacteria. Also, it revealed its characteristics of probiotics as acid-tolerance and anti-bacterial activity. In this study, the evaluation was based on an experiment conducted on E. faecalis TH10 as probiotics lactic acid bacteria and enforcement of cohesive factor to human intestinal tracts with a molecule breeding method. That is, after isolating and identifying anti-bacterial substance that E. faecalis TH10 produces, cohesive activity of these bacteria to human intestinal tracts model Caco-2 cell was evaluated. Moreover, Cloning of intestinal cohesive factors different from E. faecalis TH10 from genome of Lactobacillus fermentum, other lactic acid bacteria showing high intestinal cohesive activity was conducted and the appearance of its gene on these bacteria was experimented.
1. Identification of anti-bacterial substance that E. faecalis TH10 produces.
Lactic acid bacteria produce a variety of anti-bacterial substances, such as bacteriocin, and obtain inhibitive mechanism on growth of other microbes. Since from E. faecalis TH10 found phenomenon of showing anti-bacteria against Staphylococcus aureus, identification of anti-bacterial substance these bacteria produce was conducted. This substance was considered different from those already known.
METHODS: After inoculating these bacteria in MRS liquid medium (Oxoid), the bacteria was eliminated with centrifugal separation, its supernatant was extracted by water saturated butanol or ether, and fraction showing antibacterial activity in high speed liquid chromatography was obtained by reverse phase partition column. After methyl enducing it, isolation and identification were conducted by GC/MS with SPB-Octyl column (60m x 0.25mm- i.d.; Supelco).
RESULTS: As a result from analyzing by GC/MS, anti-bacterial substance, the bacterium produced was identified as phenyl lactic acid. By optical partition with optical isomer isolation column Nucleosil Chiral-1, found both types D and L in phenyl lactic acid obtained. They were forming racemic mixture. That is, although there is no report that lactic acid bacteria would produce phenyl lactic acid, it was admitted that these bacteria produce 13.4μM of type-D and 6.7μM of type-L. 0.2% volume of DL-phenyl lactic acid inhibited the growth of entero hemorrhagic E Coli O157:H7 and S. aureus completely in LB liquid medium (pH7.0).
2. Cohesive activity of E. faecalis TH10 to human intestinal tracts model.
The reason why the most important character of probiotics lactic acid bacteria is said to be intestinal cohesive activity is that this characteristic relates profoundly to intestinal infection. For cohesive factors of infection, related bacteria are revealed already as lectin-like protein, S-layer protein lipoteichoic acid that exit in pilus and outer membrane; Sugar protein, Sugar lipid and out-of-cell matrix (ECM) protein as receptor on intestinal epithelial cell side. In lactic acid bacteria, also, since there are phenomena animal species which can stay in intestines are different by species and strains; strains set in intestines would change by aging, it is estimated that there exist factors coherent especially to animal cells. On studying cohesive activity of lactic acid bacteria to intestinal epithelial, there has been utilized Caco-2, stated as ideal model cells on epithelial cells, or ECM protein, therefore, cohesive activity of E. faecalis TH10 was investigated.
METHODS: Cohesive test to Caco-2 cells (Gram-stain method).
In culturing Caco-2 cells, we used DMEM medium containing fetal bovine serum which anfotelycin B and streptomycin-penicillin and anti-essential amino acid were applied. In order to make LAB-TEK chamber-slide, Caco-2 cells were inoculated and cultured in CO2 incubator. Cell layers after culture was rinsed well with phosphorus acid buffer (PBS), added liquid where sample strains were suspended in a certain amount to DMEM medium, and kept for 2 hours at 37℃. After cleansing it with PBS twice, Gram-stained and counted cohesive bacterial count.
1) Cohesive test to Caco-2 cells (RI label method).
First, sample strains were RI labeled, as the same condition mentioned above, after having them attached to Caco-2 cells rinsed and evaluated their settlement on base of count obtained in liquid scintillation counter.
2) Cohesive test to ECM protein.
Laminin, type-I collagen, type-IV collagen, type-V collagen and bovine serum albumin (BSA) were immobilized to become 2.5pmol on a slide glass. After 2-hour blocking with 2% BSA/PBS, suspended liquid was dropped from each strain at 5 x 108/ml concentration and left for 2 hours. After cleansing it with 0.1%BSA/PBS, Gram-stained cohered bacteria and counted cohesive bacterial count.
RESULTS: Cohesive activity of each sample strain to Caco-2 cells can be shown 23.2±6.0 at E. faecalis TH10, cohesive bacterial count per 100 cells. The number was higher value than 18.0±4.3 of L. lactis subsp. lactis NIAI 527 that Kimoto et.al (1998) reported with exclusive cohesive activity. Also, it was admitted that E. faecalis TH10 obtains about 10% higher cohesive activity than E. coli with type-I pilus.
Moreover, cohesive activity to four kinds of ECM protein: laminin, type-I collagen, type-IV collagen, type-V collagen and bovine serum albumin, was investigated. Although they all varied strong and weak, it showed strong cohesive activity to especially to type-IV collagen and showed higher value than L. crispatus JCM 5810. Therefore, it was clarified of validity to think that E. faecalis TH10 is a strain with cohesive activity to human intestinal tracts.
3. Transduction of intestinal tract cohesive gene to E. faecalis TH10.
When lactic acid bacteria have exclusive intestinal tracts cohesive activity, they are estimated to trigger antagonism inhibition of cohesive activity by pathogenic bacteria and to be utilized for prevention from infection and treatment after infected. Then, other intestinal tracts cohesive gene (sugar chain binding protein) was transducted to E. faecalis TH10 and an experiment was made in aim to measure the increase of strength for cohesive activity by transduction. That is, in comparison to E. coli with type-1 pilus, from L. fermentum FAF-1 with as high as 1.48-fold cohesive activity in above mentioned evaluation method, Cloning was done on genes in relation to its cohesive activity, we produced these genes with E. faecalis TH10 and studied on possibility that it might have stronger cohesive activity to transformer obtained.
METHODS AND RESULTS: Cohesive activity of L. fermentum FAF-1 with lectin-like protein was estimated and forward primer (CAYCARACNCAYTGGTAYATG) and rivers primer (ARYTCDGCYGDATCATCCA) from amino acid sequence of present lectin-like protein (Yamamoto, 1988) was assembled. By the way, above mentioned are multiple primers as Y:C or T R:A or G N:A or C or G or T D:A or G or T. L. fermentum FAF-1 genome was PCR widened on template and obtained 370 bp widened fragments. When decided the sequence, lectin-like protein gene of L. rhamnosus and 82% homology were admitted.
In order to conduct cloning of above gene, assembled genome library of L. fermentum FAF-1. First of all, genome was decomposed into 9 to 23 kb fragments with Sau3A1, conducted ligation to Bam HI arm of λDASH II and obtained genome library. Having above 370 bp DNA sequence as prove, up to 3rd screening was done and obtained phage clone No.9-2-1 with lectin-like protein gene ORF from genome library. All DNA sequence integrated in this clone was decided.
Next, in order to conduct sub cloning to vector pIL253 for lactic acid bacteria of intestinal cohesive gene from L. fermentum, designed forward primer (GCGAATTCGTCTTCCACGACCAAGCACT) and rivers primer (CGCTCGAGTGGCCCTGAATCACGGTGTC) from sequence contained in phage clone No.9-2-1. PCR fragment widened from this primer was that contains ORF of intestinal cohesive gene from L. fermentum. Then settled respectively Eco RI site to forward primer and Xho I site to rivers primer. Both limited enzyme sites in this vector were integrated with its direction decided since multi cloning site of vector pIL253 for lactic acid bacteria have cleavage parts. After purifying and desalting this plasmid (p921EX), dissolved in 15μL sterilized distilled water and used it to electro poration method with gene pulser (Bio-Rad Laboratories) to E. faecalis TH10. It was confirmed that obtained erythromycin resistance transformer (Emr) plasmid was lectin-like protein gene from L. fermentum with PCR method. And this protein was detected with antibody. Intestinal tracts cohesive activity of Emr transformer of E. faecalis TH10 where p921EX was transducted was evaluated by a testing method with RI labeled Caco-2 cells mentioned above. As a result, it was admitted that obtained transformer contains 1.83-fold higher cohesive activity than E. coli with type 1 pilus. In conclusion, by transducing intestinal cohesive gene of L. fermentum FAF-1 to E. faecalis TH10, transformer 1.66-fold stronger than parent strain in intestinal tracts cohesive activity was successfully obtained.
PLEASE let me know how the Threelac worked! I will only assume it was not worth it if you don't let us know about your progress on the stuff. I really wanna know what you think since it seem s you have done your homework.
I have had this horrible nightmare dis-ease for ten years. I am on candida diet for 8 years not working tongue still white! Candex is OK cleanses are great don't forget ACV!!!!!!!! Cat's claw vit b +c Garlic pprobiotics etc,,,,,,................... Its just still there maybe not as much............... What about diflucanizole , metrinodizole, tinadizol nystatin.............................? How come these don't work either when thet certainly should?
Here's a brief report indicating that certain enterococci strains may be useful in probiotics: http://www.springerlink.com/content/f2x6462x83v80039/
And from the following: http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=15738389
"E. faecalis EE4 and E. faecium EF01 showed the best probiotic properties. It indicates that they could be used as new candidate probiotic strains after in vivo testing."
And here: http://www.cirval.univ-corse.fr/publication/tintenna/t18/enteroart.htm
Enterococci in Food Fermentations. Functional and Safety Aspects
A presentation of the UE - FAIR project CT97-3078
"Enterococci are typical Lactic Acid bacteria (LAB)."
"LAB are Generally Recognised As Safe (‘GRAS’) and, therefore, their safe use as starter cultures, or even as "probiotics", is generally not questioned."
"Information available on current probiotics supports their safety in food use. Safety studies have indicated no significant risk factors or virulence factors associated with probiotic enterococci thus far. Neither did surveillance studies report any current enterococcal probiotics to be involved in endocarditis or other bacteremia infections (Saxelin et al., 1996)."
"Presently, only the use and application of animal probiotics are regulated. This is based on Council Directive 70/524/EEC of 23 November 1970 on feed additives which has been amended recently by directive 1999/20/EC. Approval has so far been granted for the 5 enterococcal strains and a complete dossier was prepared according to Commission Directive 94/40/EC amending Council Directive 87/153/EEC. Regulation and formal mandatory approval of new LAB starter cultures for human use does not exist in the way it is being applied to animal probiotics. This practice is based on the long tradition of safe use and association of LAB in food fermentations and their "GRAS" status."
"Evidence was also provided to demonstrate the lack of pathogenicity and the lack of any adverse effects in volunteers during a six-week trial."
"Based on a long history of the safe association of particular enterococci with some traditional food fermentations, the use of such strains appears to bear no particular risk for human health. In fact, no infections have yet been related to food fermented according to good manufacturing procedures."
And another: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/73/2/365S
"In Germany, species such as L. rhamnosus, E. faecium, and E. faecalis have been grouped into risk group 2, ie, potential pathogens. The investigators responsible for this classification, however, concede that strains of these species with a documented safe history may belong to a risk group 1 (ie, species constituting no risk). Such strains that have found application in food fermentations or certain probiotic products for a long time are considered as safe."
PD Dr. E. DomannGiessenSymbioPharm GmbHHerborn Comparative genome analysis and monitoring of the probiotic strain Enterococcus faecalis S1-02-SASummaryThe term probiotica comprises viable microorganisms which generally benefit the health of the consumer after oral consumption. Important examples of human probiotic species and strains are Bifidobacterium ssp., Lactobacillus ssp., and non-pathogenic Enterococcus faecalis and Escherichia coli strains. The proposed health benefits of the ingested probiotica include: promotion of lactose digestion in lactose-intolerant individuals, resistance to enteric bacteria, anticarcinogenic, reduction of toxic impacts of small-bowel bacterial overgrowth, modulation of the gut immune system by reducing the pathological intestinal permeability for foreign antigens and by alleviating allergic diseases and reactions. However, little is known about the genetically encoded probiotic factors which accomplish the suspected benefits for human health.Aims and working planIn this project we aim at the production of a gapped genome sequence of the E. faecalis strain S1-02-SA which is an essential component of the probiotic products Prosymbioflor and Symbioflor 1 commercially distributed by SymbioPharm GmbH (Herborn, Germany). This particular probiotic has been in use for about 50 years and the health benefits have been assessed by double-blind placebo-controlled studies (Habermann et al., 2001). The main aims of the project are: First, generation and subsequent sequencing of small- and medium- sized recombinant library of the strain to 3-fold coverage. The sequenced will be assembled into contigs and aligned to the whole genome of a sequenced pathogenic E. faecalis isolate strain V583 (Acc. No. NC_004668; Paulsen et al., 2003) using the proprietary software package GenomeViz (Ghai et al., 2004). Regions unique to strain S1-02-SA will be used to design a specific TaqMan PCR amplicon for subsequent studies. Second, serial qualitative and quantitative monitoring of strain S1-02-SA in stool specimens of individuals taking the probiotic will be performed (Hossain et al., 2002). Third, we will use denaturing high-performance liquid chromatography “DHPLC” (Domann et al., 2003) to assess the impact of strain S1-02-SA on the composition of the individual stool flora of probands. These studies will contribute to the development of a microarray-based diagnostic chip for stool specimens to detect pathogens causing gastroenteritis, probiotic bacteria, and resident bacteria that is being carried out in close collaboration with alliance IV (Technology); Prof. Rolf Schmidt and Dr. Till Bachmann, University of Stuttgart, of the competence network PathoGenoMik.Literature: 1. Domann E, Hong G, Imirzalioglu C, Turschner S, Kühle J, Watzel C, Hain T, Hossain H, Chakraborty T. 2003. Culture-independent identification of pathogenic bacteria and polymicrobial infections in the genitourinary tract of renal transplant recipients. J. Clin. Microbiol. 41: 5500-5510.2. Ghai R, Hain T, Chakraborty T. 2004. GenomeViz – Visualizing Microbial Genomes. BMC Bioinformatics: in press.3. Habermann W, Zimmermann K, Skarabis H, Kunze R, Rusch V. 2001. Einfluß eines bakteriellen Immunstimulans (humane Enterococcus faecalis-Bakterien) auf die Rezidivhäufigkeit bei Patienten mit chronischer Bronchitis. Arzneimittelforschung 51:931-937.4. Hossain H, Chakraborty T, Domann E. 2002. TaqMan-PCR zum Nachweis von Salmonella enterica aus humanen Stuhlproben. Hyg. Mikrobiol. 6:196-201.5. Paulsen IT, et al. 2003. Role of mobile DNA in the evolution of vancomycin-resistant Enterococcus faecalis. Science 299:2071-2074.
I have read through every message posted on this page and I am astounded by some of the things that people say. In response to #80142, why the hell would you take a product like fivelac "to see if it could give me further health benefits", although you are healthy, when it is clearly not designed for that?!? It is made for people with serious candida problems. Obviously, if you don't have a candida problem then taking something like fivelac is going the have serious negative affects on your body! I am especially surprised to hear this coming from a healthy naturopathic doctor. If my doctor told me to take fivelac even though I was as healthy as a horse I would never go back to that doctor again! It seems to me that a lot of people who have posted on this site have forgotten how to use common sense.
I agree ryan for the short term 3-4 months is all they basically recommened its up to you if you want to go on. But to bash the stuff is not right.I agree get off Sugar and the like,this is my third week on 3 lac I have never felt so good. I will go the full course and Iknow I will feel a whole lot better.
Threelac is not a scam. It's a probiotic and one of the best on the market.
If you continue to eat like a pig: fast foods, lots of meat and dairy, microwaved foods and drink, anything with aspartame, etc, there is no product on earth that can help you.
The way probiotics work, is that if they have to fight Candida for space to live, it will cause bloating and gas. Obviously it can get quite bad if you're not taking anti-fungals and you're not eating right.
You were using Threelac for a year and it was making things worse. You've stopped taking it now and your gut is no longer a warzone. Which feels good. But in fact what's happenning is that your Candida has no resistance and is going systematic. Unfortunately, a few years now you're going to have lots of problems.
>>stop eating Sugar and empty carbohydrates
>>try to get regular by taking in healthy oils or products
>>cleanse your body with some good flushes or products
>>and you will find you will slowly but surely get better.
Finally, some good advice.
Everyone is looking for that silver bullet, that one product that will take Candida away, but it just doesn't work like that. WHAT YOU EAT will determine your health more than any supplement will ever have the chance of doing.
I have been extremely healthy for the past five years due to cleaning up my diet and exercising regularly. I eat mainly veggies, some fruit in the AM on some days, I make my own nut milks and coconut kefir. I do eat salmon and eggs on occassion, but my main sources of protein are nuts, seeds, legumes, leafy greens and ezekiel products (which I eat sparingly). I have always had a white coating on the back of my tongue and just recently have had some problemns sleeping and have noticed undigested food in my stools. So I tried Threelac. Now I have chronic bronchitis and sinus problems, blisters under my nose, and dandruff. I also notice tingling in my arms and legs, sore hips after eating. Any advice?
The last statement by "vx" says it all:
"Everyone is looking for that silver bullet, that
one product that will take Candida away, but it
just doesn't work like that. WHAT YOU EAT will
determine your health more than any supplement will
ever have the chance of doing."
Inspite of the differing opinions there is a constant theme; we are all different in our response to things AND we must all be our own advocates, especially in health field matters. Gather information, do your own risk assessment, decide to try it or not. If you do try it and it doesn't seem to work quit taking it and gather more information.
Just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean that it won't work for others. If you feel strongly enough that you must share your opinion be sure you identify it as that - your own opinion based upon your own circumstance. Do not tout your opinion as the be all, end all.
I took Threelac for about six months and it completely cured me of recurrent thrush and sinusitus as it's supposed to do. In addition, whilst it didn't cure my IBS it relieved the symptoms massively. However good probiotics such as Ferzym are the only effective treatment I've found for IBS. In terms of candida related problems with the sinus and thrush Threelac works!
I bought online in Feb/11. It did nothing for me but mess with my intestines, I have not been normal since then, loose bms. I got my money back as they have that garantee. You can get yeast fighting packages at your local health store, personal support as well as those folks are up on their knowledge too. Footnote, I did not have a yeast infection however, so it wouldn't have help me, but I know that my bm's are abnormal since. So many things we read online are gimics, just fear mungers trying to sell their product. I learned to go the health store, they really are helpful, and cheaper. Brave on... sheila
Wow! It sounds like you've got a real bone to chew. I don't trust any posts that go 'postal'.
I do know that if someone goes to Amazon and checks out the reviews they will find a very different kind of intelligent conversation. There are hundreds of reviews there.