It's pretty dead around here, so I thought I'd break the silence...>24 hours and no new themes!
Well, anyway, the hormone aldosterone is required to retain sodium, clear potassium and clear hydrogen ions (acidity).
What's the appropriate thing to do with low aldosterone?
Bring in sodium and bicarbonates, as well as alkalising elements...
So, to assist the adrenal mineralcorticoid cascade greatly, it's prudent to take a combination of lemon juice (from one lemon) and sodium bicarbonate (quarter teaspoon), which is an excellent mineralcorticoid aide. Drink as many times as your blood pressure remains stable.
You should notice that dark circles from kidney stress resolve within a short time while taking this tonic.
Thank you for your lemony deed. :)
It is interesting that you suggest the juice of a whole lemon. I'll have to try that.
What I have been doing is warming a little water around 5:00-6:00 am. and putting in about a half teaspoon of Sea Salt and maybe a tablespoon and a half of lemon juice and drinking that while I take my amino acid capsules.
Also, I bathe with 1/2 baking soda, 1/4 Sea Salt and 1/4 Epsom salt.
About how much water do you use with the lemon and baking soda drink you mentioned?
No water, just straight combo of lemon juice (yes, whole!) and sodium bicarb - straight down the hatch with a straw.
I wish I could do Epsom Salts but my body becomes too relaxed with it and even though it's not taken orally, it makes my bowels loosen and so I lose electrolytes. It's a shame because I desperately need magnesium, but it always makes my smooth muscles relax too much...
Thanks for the new post...
I wonder if anyone else get dehydrated when using lemon juice? I have done it in the past, 1 whole lemon ( good to detox liver too) and ended up in the hospital with low sodium and super dehydrated. I guess I will try again with the baking soda...but half a dose and build up and see..that can be the thing I am missing. I did start yesterday taking 1/4 tsp. of baking soda every 4 hours for some discomfort in the kidney area...and today no pain.
Lemon juice is quite a good source of potassium, which is balanced with the sodium in the sodium bicarbonate.
I'm extremely sensitive to potassium myself with the aldosterone dysregulation, so I'm surprised I never noticed problems with lemon juice (potatoes and bananas are a killer for me, leaving me extremely dehydrated).
Marie, do you find that people do not understand when you say you can't tolerate high potassium foods? It's one of the main reasons why sweet potatoes are a mainstay for me because they're nowhere near as high in potassium as normal potatoes. I tried the trick to soak potatoes and double boil them, but it didn't seem to work much.
The combo I've recommended is great for bringing in bicarbonates and alkalising minerals, which must help the adrenals struggling to make aldosterone.
Actually it took me a while to realize how bad my sodium loss was when I ate an orange or a banana. I did not realize the connection, until 1 night I woke feeling a little hungry and ate a piece of banana (2 inches) and boy I felt like crap. My arms get like a rubbery feeling when I eat high potassium foods. One thing I do love is an orange once in a while, so I will cut it up in bite size pieces and load it up with my Hawaiian Bamboo jade Sea Salt ..and I find this works for me.
What I understand is the potassium takes over the space in the cells for the sodium and pushes it out of the cells.
I became Fb friends with a lady who has Addison's disease and we chat often. She is all the way conventional with this disease, while I am trying to heal. She excepts her health as it is. She is always saying how low she is with potassium and I am always saying I can't eat foods high in it. She is on fludrocortiosne 2-3 mgs daily and I control my sodium with my salt at this time. I am so happy to be off fludrocortisone.
Love this salt!! It has helped me greatly. Where do you get your? I order mine from the Spicelab.com located in Florida.
Just wondering if there is another vender in case I have problems getting it from them in the future. I use about 4 lbs a year, just with salting my food to taste..not to cook with.
They carry it at my local Stop & Shop, so I am lucky. I tried that brands type of Sea Salt that is red and has clay in it, but it did not appeal to me as much as the type with bamboo. I hear so much about Celtic Sea Salt , though, I think I will give that a try soon. I found some from Guerande, France.
The strange thing is, the b'stard endocrinologist says that I don't have low aldosterone, yet whenever I eat high potassium foods, I get major dryness of mouth etc.
Also, my sodium/potassium must be generally low because whenever I get loose stools (which is most of the time), I get very dry too.
It is very difficult to live without good electrolyte control and now that I have to eat carbs every 30-60 minutes and still watching my collagen going down the drain, it's barely even worth living, other than with the sole objective of getting better.
I never really knew that a body could go this wrong, especially now that I can't even go outside much.
I will have to try some of that jade salt, just to see what it tastes like, but I think it would work out expensive to have delivered to England.
Hey never give up...if there is life there is always hope!!
This past summer I thought I would never feel as good as I do today. I was hardly able to walk to my mail box and now I am able to walk two miles.
Not to sound like I don' believe you about the collagen loss...are you sure that is what it is and that you are not serverely dehydrated? When I become dehydrated I look like my skin has wrinkle on top of wrinkle and thinning,,,but once I get hydrated It looks pretty good for 47.
Have you ever tried being place on hydrocortisone to see if that would help you in anyway. I know I am not thrilled about being on it, I'd rather not be...I hate medicines..but I would be dead without it.
Best to you always!
My bones hurt now because the collagen matrix is breaking down.
My teeth are becoming very translucent because of the breakdown of their collagen matrix.
My skin is much thinner due to collagen loss.
My veins are getting more damaged, more visible/darker and aching or painful.
How could dehydration cause this?
My collagen loss is not due to cortisol because I'm not like a Cushing's patient, which has much higher cortisol than me and they have buffalo hump, stretch marks etc.
Cushings patients don't suffer vascular breakdown, nor do they have low SOD enzyme.
My problem is intra-cellular copper deficiency, which is made worse by zinc, molybdenum, manganese - all of these minerals break my vascular system.
I'm also extremely copper toxic, which I can identify from my trials with chelators like zeolite, fulvic acid, EDTA etc. All of these things create harmful, synthetic copper dumps, which damages the body further.
Maybe sulfur aminos are something I could use to remove copper without antagonising bioavailable copper, but I think anything that antagonises copper will bind it in the blood before it gets to the liver and before it's packaged in ceruloplasmin, so maybe for removing toxic copper, you need a minimum of bioavailable copper to buffer the interruption that these antagonists create.
I've now seen two other people on CZ that are too copper deficient to handle zinc, moly etc., so it's a real phenomena.
You guys are lucky that are benefiting from mineral balancing, because it doesn't work that well for me. I've read peoples' experiences on mineral balancing, but my experiences are just not the same.
I think that mineral balancing is not appropriate when there's a severe copper deficiency, but I'm really not sure. It sounds like Laredo was quite copper deficient and AC's protocol worked for her with the zinc, but then again, she wasn't losing collagen or very low in SOD because she could go outside unlike me.
I can't really go outside in a city anymore because car fumes are harmful to my vascular system, which means that any organ in my body can be damaged. Low SOD makes life impossible virtually...
You guys probably think you're suffering, but I think you should count your blessings compared to me. It's hell to lose so much collagen every day and not even be able to breathe slightly polluted air. Nobody understands me except my partner, so I have to keep everyone away from my house because they bring in perfumes etc.
I am sorry if it sounded like I did not believe you. I was just trying to explain what happened to me with the dehydration and sodium loss, just in case you did not hear this from others that this is what happens with severe dehydation from hyponatremia.
Why must you apologise? I certainly didn't think that you didn't believe me...I wanted to give you more facts to substantiate that hyponatremia is not the cause of both my functional and aesthetic collagen losses.
It's worth noting that some people take things personally in this forum because they try to protect some kind of fragile ego (e.g. Laredo) and then run off crying when somebody opposes them, even appropriately. It takes character to reject the ego's dominance in the mind and have true self-realisation (which ultimately breeds selfhood and self-respect).
I think the basis of many peoples' problems here is ego...I think ego is a big contributor to internalised stress over accepting daily realities, which either can or can't be changed.
I am aware that collagen requires hydration (that's the role of hyaluronic acid!) and I'm also very aware that losses of sodium/water from my body have caused immediate, permanent wrinkling (and especially damage to my joints including spine). The strange thing with me is that it seems to be subclinical, plus my serum aldosterone is okay. It's like really elusive, which almost lead me to believe that it wasn't endocrinological in nature, but with the observation that potassium dries me out, I know something is screwed up with my sodium/potassium pumps.
Why don't you get damage to joints when you get severely dehydrated?
I think the complex of renal endocrinology like renin, ADH, aldosterone etc. is not the easiest to retain in context, plus the endocrinologist didn't think I had a clinical problem, so it must be more elusive than that like a cortisol blockade at the receptor level or something.
All I know is that this must have take 2-4 years to gradually come to a head, because I started noticing wrinkling after magnesium overdose when I was losing a lot of water/electrolytes during Liver Flushes (which mandate Epsom Salts for bile duct relaxation). It was also then that I discovered a very severe sensitivity of my smooth muscles to magnesium, even when it's not taken orally (I can only tolerate magnesium in food complexes, so I have to work very hard to get my daily magnesium!).
Ah, to understand the dynamics in the LHPA is a complex business and something that seems to be at the very core of systemic health. Hopefully, we are breeding a lot of good, independent natural Science here...We are the lab rats with self-observation! ;-)))
Thanks! I am still learning and trying to understand what occurs to me at times. You mentioned about your teeth becoming transparent, I had the same thing, you could see so many thin cracks in my teeth. I did have all but 5 removed due to mercury fillings and and root canals and also just poor state at age 45.
Well I will say you are loaded with info and I appreciate all info I learn here.
Best to you Scotty.
I think the basis of many peoples' problems here is ego...I think ego is a big contributor to internalised stress over accepting daily realities, which either can or can't be changed.
I agree that our egos are quite often a critical factor in our deterioration. My brother suggested there was a distinction between "stress" and "anxiety" — with anxiety being the reaction and stress being the stimulus.
It takes character to reject the ego's dominance in the mind and have true self-realisation (which ultimately breeds selfhood and self-respect).
I think that attitude harms more than helps. At least the way I'm reading it.
If someone's got low self-esteem or is feeling worried about their image, simply telling them they have a character problem is not guidance. That'll just make them more defensive and entrench them.
Self-valuation is a subtle issue, so I haven't figured out what other perspective or perspectives best serve to guide people there. The way I came to self-esteem is probably not the best path for most. But let me say a little about it in case it can help.
I grew up in a chaotic environment and experienced mistreatment and contempt and malice from a number of people. I carried this expectation of mistreatment with me for a long, long time. Most of my life. I had internalized a sense of danger from the world, malice from others, and the logically corresponding sense that I must be contemptible. I wanted therefore not to be faulty, because being faulty was proof that I was worthless; I was constantly trying to fight the idea. My defense mechanisms included deflecting blame and dodging responsibility for misbehavior or misdeed. I also always had the need for people to like me. Luckily, this lead to becoming a desirable boyfriend, though every relationship fell through. Having had lots of women enjoy my intimate company boosted my ego some, but in the end it made only a little dent in the real bulk of the problem which was my own lack of valuing myself.
Objectively, I could have compared myself to others and seen myself as average or above average on the balance, but that has no impact on an internalized self-devaluation. (Neither can you measure objectively while self-devaluation is active.) As it turns out, I came to understand, by circuitous philosophical contemplation, that value is not something requiring "works" or achievement, talents or superior qualities.
It's a long explanation, and I've gone on already, so let me just say it: The value of anyone and everyone is the innate fact that they are sentient. That is, the ability to feel, to experience the world, merely being conscious, that itself is an endowment of value.
Therefore we should not needlessly cause suffering. No one should needlessly cause suffering. We should promote the happiness and well-being of any consciousness we can practically help with. This means that we, too, are valuable. Because we are feeling creatures.
One major effect of sincerely accepting one's own worth is a detachment from fear of fault or urge for pride. Basically, release of "ego", as people think of the idea.
My philosophical contemplations took a couple dozen years, with intense periods and periods of low smoldering, but the core ideas locked into place about 6 years ago. The purpose of all life and right action are, as far as I can tell, logical and absolute. They are true and inherent qualities of reality. "The health and well-being of all sentience." This means malice is always a mistake. This means self-devaluation is a mistake.
Anyway, that's how I figured out my own value (and the value of everyone), but this path, as mentioned, may be too abstract to make a difference to most. There are other angles from which we can come at the issue which may make much more sense to others, as we are all very different in our makeup and circumstances and in what will resonate with our beliefs.
How much of your daily experience is spent entertaining the mental noise of your thoughts?
Do you think that YOU are defined by your thought stream?
The need for value is a clinging to life, rather than merely having spontaneity in the moment.
It seems like all of these strategies are a way to massage the ego. They are ways to put a polarity on existence, when in nature, things just ARE. With sentience comes the freedom of thought to create pleasure/pain for the self and allow that construct called ego to feed off those aspects, rather than simply just being and allowing.
Most people are absolutely rooted in the ego form of consciousness and feed off the pleasure/pain dichotomy on a second-by-second basis.
How to "escape" this? There is no escape, because escape would in itself be a striving or a clinging.
Rather just be in acceptance of reality and merely be empowered by the organism's deep, innate, intuitive intelligence.
The concept of "worth" is a form of ego consciousness in itself that stands in the way of true self-realisation, that is the miracle of one's own existence.
The concept of worth comes from that incessant thought stream (mental noise) that is constantly trying to feed the ego construct with pleasure/pain polarities.
I mean, deeply ask yourself the question...do I want to feed off pleasure/pain by interpreting reality through those polarities? What if I interpreted every situation as neutral and didn't beat my chest in celebration/lament, but rather just said "okay" to every reality that unfolds (like the universe does)?
I mean, really, what if you had the power to interpret everything as neutral, without polarity of good/bad? What then? What if everything could be interpreted in this smart way, even though there is knowledge of good/bad?
The fact is, reality is what it is, besides whether your consciousness thinks it's good/bad.
The notion of self-worth is ego because the person is looking for worth as a means to feed some kind of pleasure/pain. Without self-worth concepts, there can only be true self-worth in this miraculous adventure and play of human existence.
Imagine life without the interpreted dualism of good/bad?
Very ingrained in us is this good/bad principle, which in many cases is pathological. Rather replace the good/bad with perpetual "what can I do now in this moment?" until death. Best to die with grace in the moment, rather than non-acceptance.
To die with full acceptance is nirvana. This is self-realisation...The vast knowing of the divine within...
(If "sentience" is simple awareness, and "intellect" is the rational faculty that includes expectation and review...)
With sentience [intellect] comes the freedom of thought to create pleasure/pain for the self and allow that construct called ego to feed off those aspects, rather than simply just being and allowing.
I believe I'm with you (modulo the vocabulary adjustment).
The intellect can build its own visions, separate from reality, and can present those imaginings to our faculty of awareness, and we can have reactions to those presentations. Rather than seeing and smelling a delicious meal directly by our senses and feeling the natural urge to consume that food, we are talking instead about our intellect's ability to change the appearance of the food or to create the image of the food wholesale. Thus intellect is removed from reality.
And intellect can be far, far removed from reality, seeing demons and pains where there aren't any. And this can often cause us to scramble for safety in ways that ironically land us in more suffering than if we hadn't tried to "defend" ourselves.
And if we manage somehow gradually to let go of our intellect and its stories, if we manage to listen better to the truth of reality as our senses present it to us, we can free ourselves from the distortions and imaginings, we can come to a clearer and truer experience of our existence.
I think that's what you mean. Does it sound like I'm following?
Hehe, what a wonderful elaboration omo...thank you! ;-)))
I'm talking about the ability to not think...It's that simple - not to think. A mind with vast thinking capacity, and yet without thought. The dimension of no thought, no mental noise is the dimension where true creativity lies.
You will not find inspiration in incessant mental noise, nor in over-elaboration. There is much more in the dimension of nothingness, where there's true insight and where the quiet, savant self resides.
The vast innate intellect of the cosmos lies deep within us all, waiting to bring itself to light, if only one can stop the incessant mental noise of inculcated vocabulary and gesture.
There's truth in the dimension of no language and no incessant brain chatter.
How long is it that you can dwell in that theta brain state, where the mind is free of buzzing glossalalia?!
It sounds like a wonderful and enlightening and fulfilling state to be in. I've been in it a bit, but I need to practice my meditation more.
This state is not a state to be achieved, it is a state to be realised. Self-realisation and the recognition that the present moment is all we have, is not something that has to be achieved with more practice - that is an ego notion.
Enlightenment is our natural state, so it merely has to be awakened to, which happens in an instant.
My question is, how do you handle planning for tomorrow? Or interacting with your partner when they're angry? You still need your intellect.
I only use time for practical purposes, rather than dwelling in past or future, with regrets or worries.
From a scientific perspective, neither past nor future exists, other than as an aspect of mind.
I plan stuff as it occurs to me, either intuitively or otherwise - oftentimes, everything just happens at the right time, kinda like I have control of the matrix or something.
Of course, my healing is still very elusive, but everything in good time, yet without the dimension of time (it's a puzzle).
Both my partner and I know that anger is a resistance to reality, so we work on cute ways to signal this realisation to the other when they need it (e.g. as a wink, a daft titter etc.).
Sometimes, we acknowledge that we have to dwell in egoic, resistant anger, just as a reference point that we're not totally enlightened.
Do you remember this funny saying from Ram Dass...
If you think you're enlightened, go and spend a week with your parents! ;-)))
The moral is as follows:
- Hear the thought stream in your head and know that there is a separate witness (the higher self) to those thoughts, which is actually coming from the same place as those thoughts. For example, "oh, there's me thinking about AF again...hmmm, interesting...oh, there's me having a harsh reaction to a zinc supplement...oh, there're some veins in my arm getting injured by chemicals...oh, there's my most-hated neighbour meddling in someone else's business again (whoops!) etc." These are all voices that can be witnessed and "allowed without judgement", but they obviously don't have control anymore over the "witness". As you start to become more the "witness" of your thoughts, you realise that your head is a very noisy place with way too many thoughts...Sometimes the mind not only has monologues but entire dialogues, trialogues etc. in strange mock environments with ridiculous collections of people and themes, not to mention guilty emotions and very judgemental pronunciations. For example, when I used to bike ride to work, my mind would drift into work scenarios rather enjoying the beautiful sunrise and dew on the ground - I was there, but I wasn't "there" (until I started to focus more on the moment!).
- You don't need some fancy meditation practice, but rather just the means to access the state of "no mind", wherever you are. Robert Pirsig said that "the only zen you will find on the mountain top is the zen that you bring with you".
- Getting angry is simply a resistance to reality - an inability to accept reality as it is...This is insane...It is insane to waste energy on resisting something that just is. People say "they let me down", which is just a story surrounding someone not meeting their obligations - that fact remains, regardless of the person's intent, so why lament (out of resistance)?
The more you start to realise the noise generated in your head, the more you can deconstruct yourself as some abstraction of your own thought stream...and wake up as your true self, which is not based on the thought stream, but based on pure reality in the present moment - this is where the vast power of the universe lies...The universe of which you're the ultimate expression. Yeah, you are the cosmos...
As Tyler Durden says in Fight Club "the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world"...
Life is awesome and you are IT!!! So stop thinking you need some punk-assed meditation practice to realise that shit while it's been there all along...God is within and that's where your true power lies - in that realisation!
You're not a bag of skin and organs...you're some crazy, miraculous piece of high (floppy, silent, pink) technology somewhere like 13.7 billion years from an energetic opening into our known universe. Existential weirdness if ever I've contemplated so...
Or maybe you're just Joe Bloggs down the road?! ;-)))
So your Earth suit is failing? Do your best to fix it and help others fix theirs, while having an adventure and spiritual journey in the process...You never know which universe this wormhole is taking you to next...
I think you've got some good ideas, but "just be enlightened" doesn't seem it would be very helpful for anyone.
Spending hundreds of words telling people about the nature of the state and how to or how not to "realize" it undermines the message of "do not achieve, do not try to gain, just realize". You cannot instruct if there is no lesson for a student to execute. You are instructing, you are giving others a goal and a process. Telling others what to do belies the notion that there is nothing to attempt to do.
There appears to be a paradox, but there is a resolution. The key is the distinction between delusion and clear understanding. It is from this that we find freedom from vigorous, grievous, counterproductive exertion. That is the kind of exertion of will that we would do well to distinguish from other kinds of effort and to single out for elimination, "counterproductive" effort, vain effort. Not every effort. Do not conflate useful effort with vain struggling in the context of attachment.
Indeed, to achieve the aforementioned distinction between delusion and clear understanding, one needs to try. And even try hard. The process of turning down the noise is subtle, and tricky, but it's not effortless. Mindfulness meditation, one practice in letting go of urgent thinking, clearly brings about reduction of the noise and internal chatter, and does so far more effectively than outright avoiding "achieving".
Letting go does not happen without intention and an attempt to do so. Condemning all effort because some effort is vain is ... ironically, being overly attached to a delusion.
So, yes, I agree that the internal noise and confusion is the critical problem. But, no, I do not think that devaluation of all effort is how that noise can quiet.
It's a long explanation, and I've gone on already, so let me just say it: The value of anyone and everyone is the innate fact that they are sentient. That is, the ability to feel, to experience the world, merely being conscious, that itself is an endowment of value."
I had the floaters, muscle loss before being put on hydrocortisone. I probably had bone loss also, just never had it checked, but the pains I had was right to the bones. I really thought most of my problems was due to low sodium, not as much as the cortisol..but I guess it wasn't. I ended up in the hospital 4 x's in 7 months due to loss of sodium and my hospital stays were for 4 days. Maybe this is why I am doing so well on the mineral balancing because I do take hydrocortiosne, even through I am at a lower dose then I was before starting. I am in a better place with the mineral balancing. I did have the bone pain even while on the hydrocortisone, but since being able to absorb calcium and the other minerals that has improved greatly.
I have Addisons and just today started on the lemon and baking soda drink. You said to drink as many times as your blood pressure remains stable. Do you mean to drink it until the b.p. is stable or only drink it if b.p. is stable? My b.p. is 100 over 75. Is it safe for me to take the drink?