Has anyone gone to the Clymer Healing Center? I have spoken to Dr. Neville twice. My biggest problem is my sleep - I wake up several times in the middle of the night. He suggested seriphos which had the opposite effect of keeping me up. I just tried it for 3 days and quit. I also have terrible head pressure and fog. I am taking isocort and now licorice root. Nothing seems to help. Can anyone advise me what to do? Should I go to the Clymer center to see Dr. Neville or the sister healing center called Woodlands. Thanks.
Larado on this forum talks with Dr. Neveill I believe. She and I are both on the copper detox diet. There is a wonderful book called "Why Am I Always So Tired". Since I've been on it I feel much better however instead of being soooo tired I have insomnia. I'm like a wind up toy that just keeps on going. I go to see a naturopath on Mon. that is a staff doctor at the Labrix Lab where I have my cortisol and hormone levels done. She had me do a 4 panel cortisol test and then I started having insomnia so had me do one sample in the middle of the night. Taking Epsom Salt baths(the lavender or euculyptus kind) helps me relax. However it is 3am and I'm still up. Feel like I could go all night but know I need to get some sleep.
I did feel a lot more energy immediately as the copper was coming out since it is eccensially a stimulant....over time the energy became more"clean" without the insomnia and the super amped feeling... And remember I was severely copper toxic with low ceriluplasmin which is an extreme case....most people will feel improvement sooner than I did
I have had 2 consults with the Clymer Center, and was put on seriphos as well. It had the opposite effect on me. Instead of calming me down, it greatly added to my panic and anxiety. I've had the same paradoxical reaction to other calming supplements, like holy basil and valerian.
Basically, Dr. Neville said I should do as much as possible to get myself shifted over from sympathetic to parasympathetic state. So I am focusing on various forms of relaxation, instead of supplements these days.
I asked Neville what I could gain by coming to see him in person verses a phone consult. He said I wasn't missing anything except the relaxation machines they have there. I asked about food allergy tests, other blood tests, minerals, iv's, etc etc, and he said- No. That he could treat me just as well over the phone as in person.
Thanks for all your imput. I glad to see that I'm not the only one who did not respond to seriphos for a better night sleep. Has anyone used the drops and adrenal formula that Seattle Tom claims healed his adrenal fatigue?
That's interesting. Luckily for me, Seriphos seemed to stop my crash dead in it's tracks
I was have severe insomnia then crashing from 6 to 8 pm and within a day Seriphos stopped this.
Dr Neville is probably right though. De-stressing is key.
One thing that really helps is "Slow Breathing" and "Coherent Breathing" is very similar.
I try to be aware of breathing no matter what I am doing to make sure it is nice and slow. Driving, sitting at work, in a meeting. With enough practice, you can do it with just an tiny amount of awareness.
Kind of like once you know how to drive a standard transmission you don't need to think about shifting gears. It is ALMOST sub-conscious, even though you know what gear you are in.
Best of luck.
By the way..I really like talking to Dr Neville. So nice to have time for questions and more in depth discussion than you know who with the 6 minute calls.
Feo, I am glad seriphos is working for you! I wonder if it would have worked for you when your af was much worse? I remember you saying you have improved a good deal from where you used to be. I am certain that if my case wasn't so severe, I could have been able to tolerate more of the basic supplements that give most people relief.
The last time I had a cortisol test was over the summer. I did the Clymer Center's ASI profile, which also tests insulin and hormones. Interestingly, my cortisol was exactly in range... perfect across the whole day. I was shocked, to be honest. I had just started doing the healing codes right before I did that test, so maybe the results were off for that reason. I thought I was high cortisol in the mornings, and low in the evenings. Anyway, Dr. Neville was playing the detective and said that he could tell that my cortisol had been very elevated for a long period in my life because my DHEA currently is below range. So I must be healing, but my body still rejects supplements.
i see dr. neville at clymer. i've only been working with him for 2 months but my results are good. i was sick for a long time....typical diagnoses....depression or it's in my head. my brain and my muscles were affected the worse from af. after seeing 10's of regular docs i went to an alternative med doc that tried to heal my adrenals with thyroid meds and hormone implants. the results were transient but i knew that whatever was wrong with me the answer wasn't his protocol. i finally made it to clymer. i started with ace drops 2 - 3 x's/day and after a month licorice powder every morning. as long as i eat 70% animal protein, 20% vegetable and 10% carb my recovery is quick. i forgot to mention plenty of rest. my trouble is my job....it's busy now and i feel like i took 2 steps forward and now 1 back. but clymer and dr. neville saved my life. that may seem dramatic but my life was circling the drain. i knew if i didn't find a professional that knew what i had i was going to be institutionalized. no doubt. i couldn't remember, more like having amnesia. the color of sun had changed to green....i was scared. when i first started working with clymer my muscles were so weak and now 2 months later they are less weak but ache. i have a physical job and that's not helping. i knew right away the clymer and dr. neville could help me. he asked all the right questions. my af is advanced and i couldn't express myself anymore so him asking the right questions was key to get the right supplements. i still work with the alternative med doc. i take 75mg/day armor thyroid, 200mg progesterone and a 1mg estradiol/5mg testosterone for support as well. i think having my mercury filling removed without a dental dam and bc i had approximately 30 fillings was what put my adrenals over the edge. i think part is hereditary and part trying to do 125% everyday.