You may have read some of my posts where i explain that it is best to use only one "treatment" at a time in an empty stomach, so that you know if the elements of the herb or drug or supplement or food is efficient to kill the parasite you are trying to get rid of.
Some of you advise people to combine herbs which may be a good thing to do if the effects of this combination have anti parasitic properties.
HOWEVER if you eat several herbs, drugs, supplements, foods at the same time, like people often explain on this forum, the treatment you are using may either be useless or dangerous !
Why ? Simply because each herb, drug, supplement, food, can interact and combine with others and produces different chemical reactions than what was desired in the first place.
That's why it is important to know what you are doing before trying to combine several herb, drug, supplement, food.
To illustrate my sayings i will give you an obvious proof :
Eating one treatment at a time in an empty stomach (or when fasting with a clean colon) is the best way to know what are the effects of the treatment.
The combination of foods has an importance too because it can produce different chemical reactions, see the work of Herbert Shelton, JH Tilden for explanations.
Of course it is impossible to know all the parameters which can influence a treatment, because each human body has a different load of toxins and parasites, and different organs efficiency, but at least you know if it's good or not for you. If you combine several herbs, drugs, supplements, foods, you can't experience the REAL EFFECT of one treatment.
I have read all your post and usually agree with you, and this time agree with you to a point.
I found from the beginning that an empty digestive track is best, and it makes perfect sense. Actually it's not hard for me to do because I have virtually no appetite, and it's been that way since I first started killing worms.
As far as combining, I think a BASIC mix is just stepping up the anti-parasite arsenal. We don't really know what is that ONE thing to kill what we have. One thing I now feel very strongly about, pre-packaged products that list 11-25 ingredients might help kill a few, but will not erradicate them. Sorry to those who say it changed their lives, but it's not possible to see a few pieces of worms and be cured.
Lately I got sick of garlic and started taking higher doses of a Black-Walnut /Wormwood tincture, neem, olive leaf, and clove capsules. I got horrible die off, and felt bad again. Then two days ago I went back to garlic and psyllium, and now out come the big ones. Was it the garlic again, or had I had them weakened with the herbs the last 12 days? All I know is I feel much better today.
I just spent a fortune ordering the basics for a maintenance routine, and plan to alternate. I will only be using a few at time though. I also ordered a few herbs I don't hear much about, Centaury & Vidanga. Centaury is used in the program that Ann Gittleman promotes and vidanga is used in adjuvant medicine. I plan to try each of those separately with just olive leaf and maybe the tincture to see what happens, like a few weeks each.
For me, one thing has been made clear from my own experience, clove helps me. Whenever I slack off, I get worse. Could this be coincidence? I don't know but will never risk it again.
As far as the interaction with sodium bicarbonate and lemon. I know you posted it to show the dangers, but I wish there was something that would foam up and run through my empty intestines like that and clean out whatever is in there. That thought has gone through my head soooo many times.
As far as the interaction with sodium bicarbonate and lemon. I know you posted it to show the dangers
There is no danger combining these two, i have already done it and i only felt bloated.
My point was that the effect of lemon juice drank in an empty stomach and bicarbonate sodium drank in an empty stomach is different than the effect of the combination of lemon juice + bicarbonate sodium drank at the same time.
So if you want to combine herbs, drugs, supplements, foods, be sure that the interaction between the chemical elements of the two material will not neutralize each other or produce a dangerous effect in the body.
That's why i empty my colon the morning and i drink only water + one kind of treatment each hour. The evening i eat a meal without anti parasitic foods. Depending on the die off symptoms (bloating, worms crawling, worms biting, worms in phlegm, worms in feces, headache) during this day and the following days, i know if the treatment is efficient or not.
Let me give you another dumb combination :
Charcoal or clay or diatomaceous earth
any herb, drug, supplement
That's completely useless to do this ! The charcoal, clay, diatomaceous earth have the properties to absorb elements and then they will be eleminated with the feces.
I am not a chemist so i can't say all combinations are bad, what i say is that be sure to know the effects of the combination you are trying... Else you are wasting your time, your money and it can be dangerous !
Yeah, but that's the problem, none of us are chemist and we have no choice but to try something and see what works. The DE/Clay issue makes sense, along with psyllium.
None of us are experts, we just learn from our own experiences and reading about others. Sharing our thoughts and theories is important, it initiates discussion and further research. I spend 10-20% of my online time on various forums here, and 80-90% of the time out on the net researching what people here mention.
I play close attention to your posts, because like me, you feel it's just roundworm. I keep hoping you are going to one day post that you found the solution that kills them once and for all!
I promise you will love the red desert clay...it does more, it gets into the blood and carrys out the bacteria, the toxins, gives you all these minerals, gives you energy, feels great after a total masque for the body...
that was a fun day for me and so needed. I put it all over my body and then I walked like Frankenstein/Mummy to the shower and my skin never looked and felt so good.
I used to take milk baths and cleanse my face with milk and mint that I grew..wow this is miraculous too.
Cleopatra had to have 32 Ass's everywhere she went in order to have her baths..great for the skin.
Try it..milk baths or red clay.
Hi SD...let me know how the vidanga works...and it will I am sure.
I am currently taking Bael for the scattered worms in my muscles tissues. I found this info when I was reading about Vidanga.
I can tell you this..they hate Bael..Bilva fruit powder, Aegle marnelos..all the names for it.
1/4 tsp with warm water 2 x's a day. It is strong and the first day was alarming and I discovered how bad off I am by the activity throughout my body..they were biting me everywhere..I did it for a few days and quit for 2...then I started back yesterday and I just had a few dig and stop ..not near as bad as the first 2 days.
I even increased the dosage to 1/2 tsp twice a day.
There isn't a protocol for it but I read that this herb BAel works on worms elsewhere in the body..so I thought I would give it a try.
I bought it from Banyan Botanicals.
I am also taking DE with red desert clay.
The clay gives me so much energy...read about the clay from I-amperfectly healthy.com
Also those that are worried about cancer from the flukes or diabetes,HIV, Auto-immune etc..Please read and purchase
this: ALKAv6 from orizonresearch.com
wordly news..it is the most promising of anything on the market..read for yourselves. You can take this with your herb protocols...after drug treatments and in between..not with drug treatments!!! or other drugs prescribed by your Dr..u will have to discuus with your doctor about it and they said you can probably take it certain hrs after the meds.( like 4 hrs later or so..it will explain the literture
Also the clay NOT WITH DRUG TREATMENTS either...again in between and after.
Myrrh for flukes after drugs or by itself
quassia tea or powder for roundworms and pins
Vidanga for roundworms, pins and tapes
DE for tapes..flush with Epsom Salt after DE for tapes or drugs..drugs 3-4 hrs later after the drug...very important
Bael for systemic worms throughout the body
Neem.boswellia, piper longum,myrrh can all be taken together and oil of oregano.
Take flax oil daily..recommended 3 x's a day for life
REd desert clay
Ionic fizz drinks for magnesium
alkav6 ..can't say enough about it..will get it in 2 weeks!!!!
Take garlic cloves by themselves..ask Dr.Bailey about this
Bael is very potent and not recommended for children under 14 years of age.
Vidanga can be taken for all ages...the dosages I am not certain..but there is information about it on the net.
DE is non-toxic and it is not an herb nor a drug..you can give this to your pets and sprinkle it in your yards..just use a mask always...lung irritant..very fine flour
Pharmaguard is best.
Some claim DE is constipating, take pumpkin seed oil with it or castor oil, flax oil..one of these
Pumpkin seed oil of course paralizes the worms as the raw pumpkin seeds do too.
I will report how it works. I'm going to try the centaury first. I don't know the dosage either, so I'm just going to fill caps and take 2-3 daily. There is no known toxicity listed, hopefully I don't help complete that data!
You will be fine...if a baby can take it then 2-3 caps seem fine for an adult. You will know after 2 days or so it seems.
Yes, many tried this and that and finaly the quassia worked for me and one more 500mg of vermox finally killed the pins and many roundworms..yeah..so happy
Then the flukes almost totally gone with meds and myrrh.
okay so If I had known I had pork tapes..the damage they can do to the eyes etc. I would have targeted them first heavily so...who knows with a hyper-infestation, co-infection what really would have changed that much..so I am presently taking DE..I have learned to trust those executive die hards on support... I listened and took advantage of their proposals that worked for them and It does work..quassia and DE..and myrrh..I found the best articles on myrrh for flukes.
Quassia made them run like mad within minutes and it got to be too much for me..so i took a 500mg vermox..later( I wanted to try the bitter gourd for pins..but never got there...so I took more quassia..more came out again and then it ended.
I am afraid to take anymore quassia..I don't want to find that the pins are still lingering..as they can do that you know...some people have pins and they do not know it!
I drank the peroxide..they did not like it either..I discovered large worms elsewhere in my body...I took the Bael and again it revealed numerous biting parasites and too many that were in my neck, face, back, phalanges..oh my..I flipped.
Silent killers they are.
I never knew I was sick actually, never had a headache, never took a pill for anything,not any vomiting loose bowels..only rashes that just suddenly appeared, flawless skin and I never enven had but 2 pimples in my lifetime..imagine that and I was hyper-infested..silent killers they are.
So I will give it some time to do its'thing and then hit them harder.
I have the myrrh, and haven't tried that yet. I forgot quassia, which sucks because I ordered from three different places the other day, and I'll just have to leave it out for now, the S&H from Mountain Rose is higher than the product for just one item.
Maybe when I order I will add some red clay and do a body wrap. It was listed as an item in an e-book I ordered a couple of years ago. I pulled alot of toxins out and it had a great effect on my skin. I just read something a couple of days ago about internal cleansing with it also.
Back to what David was saying.....just like me forgetting the quassia. We read about all these things working for others, want to try everything, but if we did it all at once, we don't know which actually works.
I felt great recently after month long garlic cleanse, then went to herbs for a few weeks and felt super! Then while still on the herbs, I felt horrible. Was that die off, or were the herbs not working and my population was building? I went back to garlic and feel so much better. It's like having a bi-polar colony of worms.
I took the by themselves (quassia wow...myrrh for everything not just blood flukes, liver, cancer and more) and it proved they both work.
And I am very thankful..but it is not near over for the disseminated ones...
I know I forgot the boswellia and piper longum when i ordered and haven't been able to get it all...I have enough to take right now as it is..and time flys so...one step at a time, one layer at a time too.