Been reading lots of posts on this forum and the fasting weight loss forum on here and see so many of these posts that time to make a general commment.
Fasting and starving have one main difference. If you have fat to burn you can fast and live on the fat. If you don't have fat to burn you will eat up muscles and eventually more important stuff,organ tissue,etc .When you fast with no fat reserves you are into starvation not fasting.
fasting when you have no fat to burn is the same as anorexia not much difference.How much damage it will do and how dangerous it is depends on how low your fat storage is.
Prisoners in Ireland in a famous hunger strike were followed carefully and those with average of 15% bodyfat started dying at day 60 or so.
Also women need more essential fat than men do.
I see people on here ,mostly women who are already at good weight for their height,build saying how they want to drop 20,30 or more pounds. Mostly its due to bad body image they think they are fat. If you have had a few kids you are always going to have some skin,baby fat around your stomach thats just the way it is. Live with it.
I had anorexic first wife that weighed 80 pounds at her lowest she was 5ft zero and had three children with her.
She thought she was fat. she worked out like crazy and drank diet coke ate a salad a day and starved herself down to nothing. Sad. Not sure what she weighs now don't talk to her much anymore and haven't for years.But suspect she is still anorexic. But so far still alive.
Lesson here is that don't go on 40 day biblical fasts if you don't have much fat to burn. Try 7 maybe 14 and really if you have fat to burn you won't be hungry after day 2 or 3 ,fat people can go for a long time on their fat storage thats what fat is for. If you are really hungry still after 3 or 4 days you are likely skinny as heck and long fasting is stupid and unecessary. If you are trying to do a long fast to cure some disease well whatever but don't think fasting is that effective at curing disease. Some things respond well to it and some don't. Obviously if you are overweight and have health issues related to that it can help.
The jury is still kind of out on how good it is for other health problems.
At least if you are thin now keep the fasts to reasonable periods. If I hear one more skinny person say how they are going to go 40 days I may upchuck.There is no need to be biblical here. Jesus might have gone 40 days but really don't think everything in the bible is 100% true.
Now on the flip side shorter fasts like 7 days are likely still perfectly fine even for people that are pretty thin to start with. And don't think that 10 pounds lost in first three days or so is fat. Some get so excited about it.Its not fat its water. and it will mostly come back on re feed within week or two. Thats why people who really have to lose weight like me fast down extra 10 pounds or so to account for some rebounce.It will vary with person to person. Some really obese people or people with water retention issues can lose way more pounds and some lose not that much.
And don't want to hear all this whining about how you quit your fast on day 1 or 2 or even 3.
If you can't last 1 or 2 or 3 days then try juice fasting its easier. And you can transition to water after few days ,alternate juice and water ,etc. Or try intermittent fasting by say skipping breakfast for week, then skipping breakfast and lunch and then maybe one day food,one day fasting but find its actually easier to just go cold turkey and get thur the first couple days. After 2 or 3 days your hunger should be gone unless as said you are too skinny.
If you can't make it one or two or three days with no food you have no willpower. People all over the world and for millions of years were lucky to eat even once a day.
So suck it up ,if you are going to fast then fast not start,stop,start stop.
Sorry to be a bit blunt here but some of you need to hear this.
Oh and now seeing some of you doing long dry fasts. this is even more stupid.You can live without food for weeks maybe months if you have fat. You can't live that long without water. Long dry fasts more than a few days or so are dumb and risky. But hey its your body,your life.
It would be just so terrific if you would make the effort to learn about fasting before "teaching" on the subject. This post is wrong on so many levels as is this other masterpiece: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1793697#i.
You really don't understand fasting anywhere near as much as you think you do and as such you are prolific in the spreading of false information. More facts and less guessing... pretty please!!!
You are just feeding anorexia telling some of these underweight people to fast for long periods.
Dry fasting is dangerous,fasting for long periods of time is dangerous if they are already underweight or have very low bodyfat.Especially since 99% of people on here are doing unsupervised fasting.
And many women have terrible self image poor things keep saying they are fat when the look just fine. I don't like underweight women. Maybe you do.Thats your choice. Fact starting to think you are pretty darn underweight.Whats your weight and height? Muscle mass and bodyfat.You seem to be doing constant fasts.If fasting cures all health conditions why do keep doing so many fasts? To detox, for some spiritual reason? Don't seem to be for weight loss you look very thin in your avatar picture.
Some of you want to fast off all your muscle whatever. Each to his own. I think the goal should be to be healthy weight and have reasonable amounts of bodyfat and muscle.
I could fast down to 100 pounds but that would't be a very good weight for my height and build. Some of you though would likely disagree.
And never said that fasting can't help some health problems but don't think its the cure all for every ailment .Some of these people might need real medical help for their conditions not just fast and hope they go away.
And before you totally jump on me I do believe that some fasting is normal,heck some starvation is normal for humans thruout history and even in many parts of the world today and a bit of starvation don't do that much harm the human body is pretty resilient.
But no sense pushing things for thin people too far.
Do you want to do a 90 or 120 day water fast Mighty and see if the 60 day thing that was talking about is accurate.I have a feeling you don't have much fat to lose or much muscle since likely you have fasted all your muscle away.Consider it an experiment.Fact you can dry fast 60 day if you think dry fasting is so safe.
Just trying to get people to be a bit careful and save more people especially healthy weight nice looking women from becoming anorexic little boneracks like my xwife.
Your have not educated yourself enough to be 'schooling' new fasters or telling others the fast how YOU want them to cause YOU likeit that way. Your original post on this thread is HORRIABLE and I hope that new fasters will dismiss what you have to say and take the time to research this on there own. Its guys like you that give fasting such a bad name. Just stop with the posting telling others whats okay and what is not. Fasting has cured an amazing amount of health issues and THAT RIGHT THERE might be the reason some do extended fasting. Your arn't even water fasting your using tea and sweetners in your fasts so for one your posting in the wrong section. And if you keep going about posting like this you could be removed from the site. If your not going to do your own research on fasting then at least take ten minutes to read the rules on posting because you are breaking some. If it does not matter to you thats fine I am sure there are a few people here that wouldnt miss you once your gone :)
Happy Fasting Curezone peoplez!!!
You are being negligent. Shelton did supervised fasting. You are telling rookies it ok to go 40 ,60 whatever days regardless if they have maybe very low bodyfat or are actual anorexics. Anorexics love to fast. Give them more encouragement to starve themselves and they will a lot of the time.
I am simply urging more caution. Dry fasting can be very dangerous, Long fasts for super thin people can be very dangerous. As tupernicious agrees with me many women are anorexic or borderline. Many have very distorted self image.Guys too but not as often can become anorexic as well.
I never said fasting didn't cure some health issues. Its obviously going to help overweight issues ,high blood pressure,cholestrol,sore back, and things like that and willing to keep an open mind on other "cures" attributed to it.
As for me not fasting because taking the occasional green tea or diet pop thats your opinion and you are mostly just parroting your God Shelton. Many other people have fasted with some green tea or coffee or diet drinks and got same results with regards to weight loss. As for spiritual benefits well not seeing any aside from mental clearness and some emotional mellowness. God never talked to me on my fasts yet and doubt ever will. As for detox jury is still out on that one too with many saying detox doesn't exist.
But again I am fasting my way and juice fasting is fasting as well , some of you are pretty pigheaded about your pure fasting.Whatever floats your boat.
I am willing to learn, so far having better results this fast by only drinking when thirsty can see why drinking too much water on first fast flushed out all my sodium and potassium giving me super low blood pressure and muscle cramping.
Understand more now than did before. Bought blood pressure monitor if it gets really low will take salt pills or drink some salty juice or break fast to solid food.
Your ideas on re feed from many of you are junk too. I ate meat almost on first day of re feed think it was second day. No problems at all .Meat is 100% natural for men to eat and as hunters we ate it much more often than vegetables or fruit which were much more seasonable. We can digest meat just fine. And super long re feeds are not needed. and thats personal experience.
Once again you guys are telling rookies to just go ahead listen to god or whatever and fast as long as they want.Dangerous advice but hey its a free world.
Shelton fasted thin people with pretty good results and longer than he thought he could he said sometimes. But still after all fat is gone you burn up muscle then vital stuff. The human body can gain back muscle pretty quickly after fast and the human body can survive being starved without too much long term damage but still some caution is advisable on unsupervised fasting.
Mighty said a lot of pretty good info in his reply to mine. Some good points in there and he told me a lot about himself that helps me understand stuff.I am not closed minded just more scientist than many of you and want to try things,see things proven not just believe some guy from decades ago. Shelton is seen as a quack and pretty sure was sued but that don't necessarily discredit everything he says. His natural whatever it is has some really stupid ideas but that is another story. Pretty sure he is against innoculations and all that. And there are some weird ideas about food and diet out there.
I am happy to be mostly on the weight loss board and could care less really about the " pure" fasting water board. Seem to be full of bunch of snobs anyway.
Feel free to find " god " on your fasts and be sure to say hello to him or her for me. Feel free to cure all your diseases from fasting but blind faith only goes so far.
Great post. I am sure anorexics do come here.
Really you are suppose to only do a long water fast once every few years. I see people on that water fasting forum who are doing never ending long fasts over and over again. They are addicted to it and are abusing fasting and actually make fasting look like some OCD thing, instead of a healing practice.
Your Rule: Really you are suppose to only do a long water fast once every few years.
Where are you getting you're information from? Who made up this rule? What are the arguments for it? In your opinion should people abide by this rule even if they are benefiting by not abiding by it? Or, should people break this rule if they are benefiting by breaking it?