Hello all.. new to the forum, but not the subject of mold. Been researching since the troubleshooting nightmare began Sep '10.
I was living in a house, used an enzyme to kill hardened toxic mold (1/4" thick, 15" long), and let the solution of enzyme remain for about a week, then followed up with bleach (I know.. not good). What I believed to be mold spores has now become evident to me that I've contaminated my whole place with the resulting mycotoxins and have most things in storage.
I have moved temporarily, but have seemingly cross-contaminated the new place with mycotoxins. Most of my things are in storage, but the few things broughten over have seemed to done it.
A local health company has sympathized with me, and lent me an industrial Ozonator... but not sure if it can even kill mycotoxins. Not to mention the dangers of ozone. I have a few test objects from the old place, and I get a 'high' radiation type feeling immediately after I smell them, even after ozoning for 4 hrs (twice). I get the same sensation just by entering my storage locker.
My daughter is crazily burp/belch/coughin, vit D defficient (under eyes I can tell easily), and have just noticed crazy spider looking veins on her upper legs, torso. My vision has been nuts, vascular system, myelin depleted (nerves exposed) to mention the least.. [this after many many intitial toxic symptoms I have passed through - and now worried about uprooting my family at new residence/belongings/vehicle/storage..
Will Ozone or ANYTHING for that matter help the issue of mycotoxins?
any or all insight much appreciated.. I've spent the last 3 months solid researching. To my knowledge, ozone will not kill mycotoxins, since they are not alive (?), but why is it that they use it on food/grain??
hopefully this topic can also shed some light for others as this is one helluva'n issue!
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Does this actually kill the Mycotoxins and biotoxins? Myctoxins are not a bacteria or viral, mycotoxins are spores, so it is a fungus. To kill the fungus/spores you need 500 degree temperatures for an half an hour to kill this stuff, this is to illustrate, exactly what your dealing with. To get rid of it you must literally pick it up and move it outside, and place it at the farthest point away from your home and let nature keep in in check.
Here is the problem since it is microscopic how do you know you actually took it outside? Since it is not visible to the naked eye you have to come up with a method that kills them ALL every single spore!. So get ready with sprays, foggers, vacuum cleaners and air purifiers. You MUST wear safety gear: eye goggles and face mask. This is my line of thinking that a fogger or humifider will distribute the liquid into the air , the weight of the liquid in the air creates the weight you need on the spores and gravity pulls the spores down onto the ground, then you vacuum them up and make sure you double bag your vacuum or use a plastic garbage bag over the vacuum bag so not one spore goes airborne, when done take it all into the driveway and take the vacuum bag and put in another plastic garbage tie a knot and put in your garbage can. Then put on gloves and eye googles and now clean your vacuum with ammonia and water mixture with this stuff you MUST wear gloves! From my research ammonia seemed to have the ability to kill the byproduct of mycotoxins, there must be some SAFER stuff out there that has been PROVEN to kill mycotoxins byproducts. When your dealing with stuff all kinds of insane ideas begin to go through your head. All surfaces could easily be wiped down with water and ammonia . Sure would be easier if there was a way to detect the location, of the spores that would be plenty helpful. I read ammonia disintegrates the mycotoxins byproduct trichothecene . With ammonia you MUST WEAR EYE GOGGLES, AIR MASK, AND GLOVES. Safety come first always. Be safe now and you won't have to suffer later. You never ever want this crap on get on your body. So cover your eyes, nose, with an respirator air mask , just break down and pay for the masks and cover your entire body in one of the waterproof bunny suits, and always wear gloves I just cannot stress enough how important it is to always put your safety first!!!!
Some people are so sensitized to mold that they must just sell there homes and move. If you have a carpet it is trashed the mycotoxins are embedded in the carpet so just toss it into the garbage. I have come to believe that the best way to know for sure if mold is making you sick is to move out for a couple months I read that it takes two weeks to see a turn around anyhow , move out and leave all your stuff and even if you live in a tent . Now you will need all new stuff to be double sure it has no mycotoxins in it . Then you must get with the good doctor and tell him you want Cholestryamine this the mold medicine and few hours later you can take some other stuff like benonite clay and charcoal mixture to pull the mold . I have read of people putting in 1/8 tsp borax in liter of water to kill mold you do this four days on and three days off
Mycotoxins is fungus these are the types
Aflatoxin Trichothecene (produced by Stachybotrys) - Satratoxin-H, Vomitoxin and T-2 mycotoxins, ocharatoxins and Fumonisins - includes Fumonisin B1 and B2, lastly there is Zearalenone.
Does anyone know if there is anything in nature that will kill Mycotoxins and byproducts safely and effectively?
I certainly do believe in the power of essential oils and plant antimicrobial, but it is unclear to me if it has been tested in a lab to see.
Here is a couple things I researched,
Diluted Vinegar Studies indicated that white vinegar kills 82 percent of mold spores. Tea Tree oil in a fogger kills mold and of course good old baking soda diluted in water sprayed on all surfaces and left to dry then wiped the surface clean, then vacuum the area .Baking soda and vinegar mixed in water is pretty effective. Baking soda is effective at removing mold naturally . Take the mixture spray on surfaces let it sit and dry , then scrub and wipe with a damp cloth. Borax laundry detergent is pretty safe and from the studies I've read it is the one of the most powerful anti-fungal ever and appears safe to use in a fogger maybe with a couple drops of gse and oregano oil and tea tree oil mixture are anti-fungals.
I read about MOLD SNIFFING DOGS, I would love to just have a dog come over and tell me where the problems are in our house.
Anyhow, most people have seen the illustration that a big event center like a staduim filled with people and one person has one bead of sweat falls to the ground and the dog is at the side of the staduim and he can smell it! Dogs are so cool anyway, but the definately have heighten sense of smell
I don't really have any advice to offer. I just want to offer my sympathy. I am so sorry to hear that you are dealing with this issue. I, too, have been living a nightmare for over 5 years since I became super hypersensitive to mold. I was never bothered by mold at all until 5 1/2 years ago when my work relocated to a renovated building. Not only was I affected by the toxic chemicals from the redo (I have severe Multiple Chemical Sensitivities), but I began to realize later that the building also has mold (though I can't seem to convince the powers that be of that). Shortly after that I began to be affected by mold in the older house we lived in that had never bothered me before. And that just accelerated and got unbearable. I've lost numerous possessions and may lose more if I can ever get things out of storage. I may not have gotten some things out of the house in time. I finally had to bite the bullet and move. And discovered later that the place we moved into had mold as well. It's very hard to find a rental that I can afford that will not have mold to some extent. And I have become so sensitive to it that I react to minute amounts of it. I joke that I could have a new career as a mold sniffer. I react and smell or "taste" mold where no one can. It's in my office, my home, and my car.
I've tried every kind of air purifer you can name just about. I have an ozone machine going in my kitchen and living room area where no one spends any time much. I have 3 different kinds of machines going in my bedroom trying to have at least somewhat of a safe place to be. But I'm fighting a losing battle with that. I'm not just dealing with mold spores and such. The mycotoxins are not easy to deal with. The one kind of air purifer that I found to be halfway effective against just mold spores was an Airfree. It works by heat. But it does nothing for the odors that are put out by the other things to with mold. It's really minimally effective at least in my situation it was. I also found photocatalytic type air purifiers like Air Oasis to be more effective against mold than ozone ever was. But they also don't really handle mycotoxins. Ozone doesn't either completely though I have found it be better at handling the odors that emanate from it. It does keep it at bay somewhat. I have turned the machines off to clean them or to have them off a while if the landlord was coming in to do something. And after the ozone has cleared and some time has passed, I begin to smell the dirty dank smell of the mold and be more typically affected with burning eyes, throat, lungs, sinuses. So the ozone is helping somewhat. Some people can't tolerate ozone at all though. As far as using an industrial type ozonater, I doubt that just running one for 4 hours would do anything anyway. Plus, you probably still have a source of the mold somewhere that perhaps you can't see. Mold is a very insidous horrible thing to try to track down and eliminate.
I do wish you and your family well as you struggle with this and hope you find a solution.
There are commercial grade machines that you can rent and run in your home for a day...you must stay out of the home for at least 24 hours. It will kill everything. I have heard that you need to remove your furniture & mattresses for sure or they will (desintergrate) sp?? They are typically used after floods. The fogging does not work. It just seems to kill the smell for two weeks. I had to move from my home of 9 yrs, the damage in the walls was more than the whole house was worth.