Hello all.. new to the forum, but not the subject of mold. Been researching since the troubleshooting nightmare began Sep '10.
I was living in a house, used an enzyme to kill hardened toxic mold (1/4" thick, 15" long), and let the solution of enzyme remain for about a week, then followed up with bleach (I know.. not good). What I believed to be mold spores has now become evident to me that I've contaminated my whole place with the resulting mycotoxins and have most things in storage.
I have moved temporarily, but have seemingly cross-contaminated the new place with mycotoxins. Most of my things are in storage, but the few things broughten over have seemed to done it.
A local health company has sympathized with me, and lent me an industrial Ozonator... but not sure if it can even kill mycotoxins. Not to mention the dangers of ozone. I have a few test objects from the old place, and I get a 'high' radiation type feeling immediately after I smell them, even after ozoning for 4 hrs (twice). I get the same sensation just by entering my storage locker.
My daughter is crazily burp/belch/coughin, vit D defficient (under eyes I can tell easily), and have just noticed crazy spider looking veins on her upper legs, torso. My vision has been nuts, vascular system, myelin depleted (nerves exposed) to mention the least.. [this after many many intitial toxic symptoms I have passed through - and now worried about uprooting my family at new residence/belongings/vehicle/storage..
Will Ozone or ANYTHING for that matter help the issue of mycotoxins?
any or all insight much appreciated.. I've spent the last 3 months solid researching. To my knowledge, ozone will not kill mycotoxins, since they are not alive (?), but why is it that they use it on food/grain??
hopefully this topic can also shed some light for others as this is one helluva'n issue!
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Does this actually kill the Mycotoxins and biotoxins? Myctoxins are not a bacteria or viral, mycotoxins are spores, so it is a fungus. To kill the fungus/spores you need 500 degree temperatures for an half an hour to kill this stuff, this is to illustrate, exactly what your dealing with. To get rid of it you must literally pick it up and move it outside, and place it at the farthest point away from your home and let nature keep in in check.
Here is the problem since it is microscopic how do you know you actually took it outside? Since it is not visible to the naked eye you have to come up with a method that kills them ALL every single spore!. So get ready with sprays, foggers, vacuum cleaners and air purifiers. You MUST wear safety gear: eye goggles and face mask. This is my line of thinking that a fogger or humifider will distribute the liquid into the air , the weight of the liquid in the air creates the weight you need on the spores and gravity pulls the spores down onto the ground, then you vacuum them up and make sure you double bag your vacuum or use a plastic garbage bag over the vacuum bag so not one spore goes airborne, when done take it all into the driveway and take the vacuum bag and put in another plastic garbage tie a knot and put in your garbage can. Then put on gloves and eye googles and now clean your vacuum with ammonia and water mixture with this stuff you MUST wear gloves! From my research ammonia seemed to have the ability to kill the byproduct of mycotoxins, there must be some SAFER stuff out there that has been PROVEN to kill mycotoxins byproducts. When your dealing with stuff all kinds of insane ideas begin to go through your head. All surfaces could easily be wiped down with water and ammonia . Sure would be easier if there was a way to detect the location, of the spores that would be plenty helpful. I read ammonia disintegrates the mycotoxins byproduct trichothecene . With ammonia you MUST WEAR EYE GOGGLES, AIR MASK, AND GLOVES. Safety come first always. Be safe now and you won't have to suffer later. You never ever want this crap on get on your body. So cover your eyes, nose, with an respirator air mask , just break down and pay for the masks and cover your entire body in one of the waterproof bunny suits, and always wear gloves I just cannot stress enough how important it is to always put your safety first!!!!
Some people are so sensitized to mold that they must just sell there homes and move. If you have a carpet it is trashed the mycotoxins are embedded in the carpet so just toss it into the garbage. I have come to believe that the best way to know for sure if mold is making you sick is to move out for a couple months I read that it takes two weeks to see a turn around anyhow , move out and leave all your stuff and even if you live in a tent . Now you will need all new stuff to be double sure it has no mycotoxins in it . Then you must get with the good doctor and tell him you want Cholestryamine this the mold medicine and few hours later you can take some other stuff like benonite clay and charcoal mixture to pull the mold . I have read of people putting in 1/8 tsp borax in liter of water to kill mold you do this four days on and three days off
Mycotoxins is fungus these are the types
Aflatoxin Trichothecene (produced by Stachybotrys) - Satratoxin-H, Vomitoxin and T-2 mycotoxins, ocharatoxins and Fumonisins - includes Fumonisin B1 and B2, lastly there is Zearalenone.
Does anyone know if there is anything in nature that will kill Mycotoxins and byproducts safely and effectively?
I certainly do believe in the power of essential oils and plant antimicrobial, but it is unclear to me if it has been tested in a lab to see.
Here is a couple things I researched,
Diluted Vinegar Studies indicated that white vinegar kills 82 percent of mold spores. Tea Tree oil in a fogger kills mold and of course good old baking soda diluted in water sprayed on all surfaces and left to dry then wiped the surface clean, then vacuum the area .Baking soda and vinegar mixed in water is pretty effective. Baking soda is effective at removing mold naturally . Take the mixture spray on surfaces let it sit and dry , then scrub and wipe with a damp cloth. Borax laundry detergent is pretty safe and from the studies I've read it is the one of the most powerful anti-fungal ever and appears safe to use in a fogger maybe with a couple drops of gse and oregano oil and tea tree oil mixture are anti-fungals.
I read about MOLD SNIFFING DOGS, I would love to just have a dog come over and tell me where the problems are in our house.
Anyhow, most people have seen the illustration that a big event center like a staduim filled with people and one person has one bead of sweat falls to the ground and the dog is at the side of the staduim and he can smell it! Dogs are so cool anyway, but the definately have heighten sense of smell
After tremendous amount of time, energy and money. As well as my doctor opinion who is an environmental doctor.
If you are sensitized to mold then there is byproduct from the mycotoxins, and it can travel to areas in the sheet rock that looks undamaged and it is having a reaction in the material and releasing byproducts. Bottom line once a house has a mold problem it will always be toxic on some level , I think the best choice is to move and get on treatment with a specialist right away
Your inquiry is a bit dated and you most likely have moved on, but, this is now the end of 2015 and current info (as near as I've learned to date) is that EOs (such as Thieves) are wonderful preventives, cleaners, etc. - but - once you start talking mycotoxins that have been generated from INTERIOR BUILDING mold spores - you're talking a very different ballgame. First - Science is still "playing out in left field" with building generated toxins, but, the following is fairly substantitated. Mycotoxins produced from interior building mold are more dense and more volatile than mycotoxins produced from outdoor mold sources. Interestingly, once indoors and contained within building boundaries, a competition for dominancy takes place with the mycotoxins. Hence, the more intense toxic characteristics and the increased density per square inch. Therefore, mitigating damages is about all that can be achieved once a building has become compromised by the growth of interior mold. Fix water intrusion, remove mold. But - mycotoxins remain. They pass through HEPA filters - vacuuming creates more of a problem rather than less. There are plant enzymes that are being tested - one is TM-100 - an enzyme that digests the mold and is being used for remediation. It only deals with the mold though. The idea is that remove the spores - wipe everything down with the TM-100 and you've reduced the number of producers of the mycotoxins. They hope that the mycotoxins' toxicity will break down over time - how long a time? No one knows. I've recently read something interesting about Xylitol and the use of bio-available silver in treatment of mycotoxin contaiming in the body. Most mold survivors suffer from severe nasal/sinus issues. A 50/50 mix of Xlear (xylitol) and SovereignSilver used as a nasal/sinus treatment has proven effective in breaking down the mycotoxins that form colonies in the sinus cavities. It seems logical that if it works within the body - perhaps it would work with clothing/living areas? Plant enzymes appear to be an interesting and promising approach. Sadly - the US is slow to address building mold contamination and until they do, Science remains without funding or "encouragement" to conduct research for a viable resolution.
I don't really have any advice to offer. I just want to offer my sympathy. I am so sorry to hear that you are dealing with this issue. I, too, have been living a nightmare for over 5 years since I became super hypersensitive to mold. I was never bothered by mold at all until 5 1/2 years ago when my work relocated to a renovated building. Not only was I affected by the toxic chemicals from the redo (I have severe Multiple Chemical Sensitivities), but I began to realize later that the building also has mold (though I can't seem to convince the powers that be of that). Shortly after that I began to be affected by mold in the older house we lived in that had never bothered me before. And that just accelerated and got unbearable. I've lost numerous possessions and may lose more if I can ever get things out of storage. I may not have gotten some things out of the house in time. I finally had to bite the bullet and move. And discovered later that the place we moved into had mold as well. It's very hard to find a rental that I can afford that will not have mold to some extent. And I have become so sensitive to it that I react to minute amounts of it. I joke that I could have a new career as a mold sniffer. I react and smell or "taste" mold where no one can. It's in my office, my home, and my car.
I've tried every kind of air purifer you can name just about. I have an ozone machine going in my kitchen and living room area where no one spends any time much. I have 3 different kinds of machines going in my bedroom trying to have at least somewhat of a safe place to be. But I'm fighting a losing battle with that. I'm not just dealing with mold spores and such. The mycotoxins are not easy to deal with. The one kind of air purifer that I found to be halfway effective against just mold spores was an Airfree. It works by heat. But it does nothing for the odors that are put out by the other things to with mold. It's really minimally effective at least in my situation it was. I also found photocatalytic type air purifiers like Air Oasis to be more effective against mold than ozone ever was. But they also don't really handle mycotoxins. Ozone doesn't either completely though I have found it be better at handling the odors that emanate from it. It does keep it at bay somewhat. I have turned the machines off to clean them or to have them off a while if the landlord was coming in to do something. And after the ozone has cleared and some time has passed, I begin to smell the dirty dank smell of the mold and be more typically affected with burning eyes, throat, lungs, sinuses. So the ozone is helping somewhat. Some people can't tolerate ozone at all though. As far as using an industrial type ozonater, I doubt that just running one for 4 hours would do anything anyway. Plus, you probably still have a source of the mold somewhere that perhaps you can't see. Mold is a very insidous horrible thing to try to track down and eliminate.
I do wish you and your family well as you struggle with this and hope you find a solution.
There are commercial grade machines that you can rent and run in your home for a day...you must stay out of the home for at least 24 hours. It will kill everything. I have heard that you need to remove your furniture & mattresses for sure or they will (desintergrate) sp?? They are typically used after floods. The fogging does not work. It just seems to kill the smell for two weeks. I had to move from my home of 9 yrs, the damage in the walls was more than the whole house was worth.
I sympathize with you as well.it seems like a losing battle it is so crazy making at certain point you have to put your health first seriuosly better to stay in a tent outside until your well
From my research Ozone does not kill the byproduct of mold which is mycotoxins.I've tried ozone it does not touch kill myctoxins .
My ND said that a person should only be around ozone for 20 minutes tops it can irritate the lungs.
He gave me homepathic stuff that supposedly is supposed to make you immune to mold he is sort of mad scientist type it is unclear if this is working .
... I had a very crazy thought of was fogging with ammonia this is highly dangerious and my MD told me not to this too caustic plus if mold is in the walls hidden it is releasing toxic gas into the room. Plus with mold poisoning you cannot be around chemical of any sort it tips you over the edge. So I just wiped down everthing with h ammonia and water and the walls and floor too and I wore eye goggles and gloves and air mask
Black mold can effect your brain there was women who was institurionalized a mold literate medical RARE saw the mold in the brain scan after being on the mold medication she became her old normal self I think it took a six months This is what were dealing with .
IQ AIR is the best purifier but it is spendy I have one and it is wonderful.
A friend had new empty condo and we moved into it and sold our home I was not worth having the brain fog and flu like symptoms with heart issues everyday is just way too much. our entire life became focused on this and in fact and the effects of black mold are so far reaching. I can no longer go to the antique stores or older building and even new places that have mold I react by coughing right away. It is better to have a newer place than take any chances renting an older place until they can guarantee there is no mold they have to DISCLOSE if there has ever been a leak or mold.
We are building a super healthy home with a builder sort of like LEEDS but takes quite a few steps ahead of them , and everything is hardwired land lines etc for the EMS types
. There is a theory that EMF waves from Wireless Cell Phone s compute wifi smart meters causes parasite and other things most likely mycotoxins in our body to feel that they are being attacked and it multiplies more rapidly I believe this to be true. Building during the summer is the only way to go for best health .
Check out Sponaugle Wellness Institue . The authority on Mold is Dr Shoemaker he has retired and may God bless him because he is seeking a cure , besides cholestyramine. perhaps he will stumble across somethng that kills airborne mycotoxins that is non toxic would be heaven sent.
I know after Katrina episode many things came out to kill black mold but once your sensitized you it is not a good idea to be around toxic chemicals because it can make you sicker.
Get well and be well .
The first step is to get a firm that performs environmental evaluations to come in and create a base line report. This will allow you to determine the next best course of action. To learn more aboutmold testingand indoor air pollutants, feel free to check out my site.
I'm so sorry to hear of your plight. Hope things have improved since the time you wrote. I too have been dealing with persistent mold problems and mold-related health issues, since 2008. What a drag.
Today I decided to get more serious about dealing with the mycotoxins... and found your post, among other things. Thought I'd post this info, in case it is still relevant to you, or to others...
In case you don't know about this resource, you may want to check out http://www.chronicneurotoxins.com.
There is a lot of health info there about treating mold related illness, way beyond allergy.
But here is what I have learned about dealing with mold and mycotoxins in houses.
I've been dealing with the house where I got exposed (where I no longer live, but need to visit weekly) on four fronts. 1) Repairing water leaks in basement and elsewhere; 2) Washed all carpets, and working on family to get them removed; 3) Sprayed entire house, including damp carpets and basement, with these amazing enzymes- a product called "liquid alive," by Dymon. This really took care of the smell, and I think made a big difference overall. 4) sleep with a hepa filter with carbon filter (Austin Air) in my bedroom.
The best test for mold contamination is not air sampling... it is DNA testing. DNA testing will catch even dead mold spores, where air sampling and gets only live ones (this matters bc the toxins are a problem even if the spores are not viable/live).
The test is called "ERMI," (stands for Environmental relative moldiness index). EMSL labs and/or Mycometrix will send you a test kit that you use with your vacuum- takes about 20 minutes and costs $150-$300, depending on which lab you use. You can find them online and order the tests. I think there are some methodological issues with their interpretation of the results, but it is the only way I have found to determine the actual presence of mold dna/toxins in the building. (They will give you a count for 36 different species.)
My house tested off the charts on this test, before I did the treatment above, even though there was no obvious mold in the house itself (just a little bit in the basement). The test results were much better after we did the work, and, more importantly, I feel better when I am there. (But we are not done, and I would never live there again.)
So then here is what I learned today, trying to find out if I am succeeding in reducing my mycotoxin exposure or not.
Although HEPA filters remove mold spores from the air they aren't effective at filtering the mycotoxins produced by toxic mold.
Some good news: Activated carbon filters can remove mycotoxins from the air however.
Removing Mycotoxins from Carpet
Most mycotoxins from toxic mold in houses usually end up embedded in the carpet. When you walk on the carpet you stir up many of the mycotoxin particles into the air, along with other spores and allergens. There is no way to remove all mycotoxins from carpet and the only option is for the carpet to be removed and replaced.
Vacuuming the carpet, even with a HEPA filtered vacuum, will not suck up all of the mycotoxins embedded in the carpet. And even though HEPA vacuum cleaners can trap mold spores, the smaller mycotoxins will pass through the vacuum cleaner and out the exhaust, increasing the amount of mycotoxins in the air and hence worsening your toxic reaction. (Yikes)
Central vacuuming systems may help to remove some mycotoxins if the air from the vacuum is exhausted outside the home, but again it will still not be able to pick up all the mycotoxins embedded in the carpet.
Mycotoxins aren't actually alive like mold spores. So when we talk about "killing mycotoxins" it really means breaking down mycotoxins and their toxicity so they are no longer dangerous to humans.
Bleach with 5% sodium hypochlorite kills trichothecene mycotoxins as well as other mycotoxins including aflatoxin.
Ozone is supposed to kill most or all mycotoxins. However the level of ozone you need to kill mycotoxins is not safe for humans. So if you use an ozone generator there must be no one in the house.
HEPA air filters are not effective at removing mycotoxins. Activated carbon filters can remove mycotoxins from the air however.
Mycotoxins do eventually break down and lose their toxicity after some time. Some types of mycotoxins can take several years though, for example trichothecene mycotoxins which are among the most resilient.
Wonder if you can help, I have read your comments ref removal of mycotoxins. There is lots of conflicting information on how best to remove mould and mycotoxins and its difficult to decide what is the best course of action. You state about using a HEPA filter vacum will not remove mycotoxins...Please can you advise where you found this information. My insurance company who contaminated my home by their negligence are suggesting using a HEPA vacum to remove high levels of mould spores in which is a variety of moulds including the very toxic ones. But I dont think a HEPA vacum is going to do the job. Also the suggestion of using 'Bleach' where is that info obtained from and do they provide any evidence that it works? I ended up in hospital with bad infection and breathing problems due to exposure the mould spores and toxins and I cant take the risk on moving back into my home and using my furniture unless I can get a gaurantee that my home is safe and I wont get ill again. Sadly the insurance company cant seem to provide any evidence to convince me that their recommendations will be effective.
Your comments would be greatly appreciated.
Ozone is safe . Of course you can't be sitting in the room with an ozone machine blowing for more than 15 minutes .
I have an ozone generators in our home we turn it on when we are gone, and turn if off when we return home open the doors and let it air out. It is okay to breathe in ozone for maybe 15 minutes, but beyond that it can irritate your lungs.
It seems to me that just leave it to the true experts that are certified in mold clean up .
If your ill find a doctor that knows this area . The medication of choice is Cholestyramine this is the treatment for mycotoxins, I was also on gamma detox zeolite and benotite clay to carry all the byproducts and escort it out of the body . Also take Cholorella 3 pills four times a day I take a bath in borax soap maybe 1/4 cup in bath tub . Alkalize three times a day.
Make plans to move out of your home and
do not cross contaminate your new home with your old belongings just buy new clothes or wash your clothes in a little bit of ammonia and hot water extra rinse cycles. Or use borax with some vinegar.
Stop eating all fungus foods peanuts, sugar, soy, dairy wheat and all alcohol beverages, and stop all yeast.
The specialist will take samples of the mold
identify it , If you cannot afford it go to Home depot there buy there kit and send it off they will identify the species. Get the specialist to come in and they will determine the source of the mold, and eradicate.
I read that all carpet must come out due to the mycotoxins disintegrates it leaves behind toxins.
Get the moldzyme foggers apparently there are some sort of
enzymes that are supposed to eat enzymes will eat all the all mold spores . There is some controversy regarding the validity the air quality tests and some do not regard this
is test as meaningful information. Buy Hepa filters with high powered UV rays. There are rental places that have commercial industrial size units.