Hi. Has anyone on here experienced a die off reaction from taking systemic enzymes?
I was already taking SF722 which wasn't casuing much trouble and was working ever so slowly, then I started taking Braggzyme yesterday and I felt lighter and more awake for the whole day, but this moring I couldn't get out of bed and felt super-hungover and cold and my heart was racing.
I was told that these enzymes would not breakdown candida biofilm or eradicate candida, but it seems to be doing just that, if it is die-off I am experiencing.
Please let me know if you have experienced this or if you know why I experienced this.
When i take LugolsIodine in high doses, Colloidal Silver or boron (to name 3) i often get a feeling of deep depression soon after. you probably know these 3 things are meant to fight candida.
I was thinking the other week if this deep depression feeling was candida die off. I also got the same depressed feeling when i took Serrepaptase (a systemic enzyme), although not as strong, so you could be right there.
I also get depressed for a while soon after i take whey protein (no artificial sweeteners added) but i also read whey can fight candida. so it could all be linked?
I also got a depressed feeling when i first stated taking zinc in high doses, and also calcium, but i supsect this depression is for different reasons. the zinc could be candida die off related if its boosting my immune system, or it could be due to the fact it's dislodging heavy metals (which could be said for the Iodine too, so i''m not totally sure)
It's very difficult to read our fluctuations isn't it? Difficult to tell what is causing what and if we are getting better or worse!
I mentioned that I felt very unwell this morning and so I didn't take anymore of the systemic enzymes. I took some of my Thorne Basic Detox nutrients with breakfast which made me feel a lot better and took away the lethargy and palpitations, so I am assuming that I was indeed suffering from toxicity/die-off. The Thorne Detox supplements contains so many things including pantothenic acid, MSM, NAC, molybdenum etc. Each serving is a whopping 12 capsules and I only took 4, even that helped. It also makes me feel very calm.
I don't experience depression when I have die-off but I guess we are all different. It's good that you have a particular symptom which lets you know when it is in fact die-off you are experiencing. My major symptom is heart palpitations.
I am attempting Dr Ettinger's biofilm protocol for candida. I bought the Braggzym thinking that it would substitute for the Interfas Plus which is in his list of essential products. He told me that the Braggzyme will not have the same effect as they are only fibrinolytic enzymes, even though they do contain the required Serrapeptdidase and Nakottinase. It must have been those ingredients which casued the die off, although there is very little serrapeptidase in them.
So anyway, I have ordered the Interfase Plus but am terrified of the possible die off reaction after seeing what the 'less effective' Braggzyme supplement did to me. I have heard many people experienced bad die off from Interfase. Must be effective.
I agree with you that SF- 722 isn't an strong product against candida. It could be effective but work slow. Die- off can happen with any product as long you don't feed candida. How you said, it is very difficult to realize when is hypoglycemia, food intolerance, toxicity from a supplement, or die-off. I think die-off is a must and something we all have to live. More or less severe nobody escape of it.
Yeah I was on the SF722 (Mccombs plan) for 5-6 weeks and only noticed slight changes, if I were to continue to use SF722 alone I am sure it would take many many months to combat the candida. It may be ok for mild cases but I've had this crap for 10 years nearly.
I feel I am on the right path with Dr Ettinger's protocol alongside McCombs detox methods. McCombs diet I fear is not strict enough, perhaps the abundance of allowed fruits was limiting the effectiveness of the SF722.
I am afraid of the Interfase, I have heard herx horror stories about this stuff.
I am still unsure about when to add in probiotics, I may write a fresh post about this. Dr Mccombs adds them in later while other protocols add them in right away. I think I should add them in after my herx has passed, so as not to overwhelm my body. I have leaky gut so I think I shouldn't take the probiotics until I have at least killed some yeast and healed the holes in my gut.
It's all so complicated and scary, I feel like I am playing with fire with all these powerful supplements.
I wonder if the 'biofilm protocol' will disturb the good bacteria in my body? This is a feear of mine. Breaking down the biofilm of the good bacteria. Do they have biofilms?
You will be better. If I were you, I won't be worried about Biofilms. Listen, Candida Albicans Biofilm's Matrix isn't formed with the same substances that microbial biofilms do (iron, magnesium, calcium, etc) so, following a protocol to disrupt bacterial biofilms may be no effective against fungal biofilms. Clove Oil has shown to disrupt candida biofilms but I am not sure if we can take it internally. 2- decenoic acid is another fatty acid that works against some fungal biofilms. You should concentrate in an anti-candida treatment and forget the biofilms for now. As far as Rx antifungals, biofilm penetration has been reached using the Echinocandins which aren't available in oral form. Amp B (IV) also has shown to penetrates some fungal biofilms. This is all " new " and I think we have more things to be worried about. I am not sure if benefical bacterias form biofilms ( they probably do) and what risk could have to take supplements to disrupt them. If Biofilms will be the real problem, we have time to try something against them. But, for now, there isn't any proved protocol which be effective using this way.
I always understood biofilms to be something created by the pathogens, intruders, the bad guys. Never heard of it being done by the good guys. Why would the body harm itself, unless it was an autoimmune thing.