I would like to share a strange story that happened to me.
With some colleagues we had a drink at a local bar. Normally i don't drink any beer because of my candida. But i drunk two beers. 1 hour afterwards, it has been expected, i had to have a nap. Then, i craved for food, so i ate, i ate one pill of licorice, one pill of horopito, 4 pills of echinacea with my meal.
And strangely, i had no problem after eating, i felt better. And i also had other die-off effects than usual. I had lots of flatulence, and i wanted to vomit. That was a situation that was surprising. However i felt better in general in my body. i did it several times and i felt better and better in my body.
So now i wonder if a low carb diet is really good because the less i take high carb food, and the more it is slow to recover. Also the die-off reached a point where my liver was totally stressed and i had retention of fluids in my back.
Furthermore a german study proved that low carb diet will cause candidas to embed deeper into your intestinal wall.
Coming back to my story, the day after i felt a bit better. And now i m thinking about taking milk and beer at the same time than my plants. We know candida love beer,milk, Sugar and high carbs. I have the feeling high carbs, Sugar and wheat make the candida vulnerable to be easily killed by plants like poisonous food for rats. I wonder if a low carb diet doesn't create a protection process into the candida, and makes it more difficult to kill. So i have a theory about it. With a low carb diet and plants, i have the feeling, it only inhibits the candida, then the candida create a toxin because he is not happy and we don't feel effects from die-off but we see effects from candida producing toxins. Don't forget it happens already in nature. I think about the the algae blooms that turn red and produce lots of toxins under some conditions.
It was surprising for me to see the die-off after a meal using milk was different. I do have a bloating bowel, i do have spaceness. but extreme fatigue was gone, cold body was gone too.
I've thought about it before. Maybe we are all confusing die-off with candida releasing more toxins and vice versa, in some cases at least?
I do know one thing for sure. The candida diet has done a great job at blocking up my body, so now I am bloated, full of toxins and experiencing extreme fatigue. I can get a bowel movement about once a day, but that's nowhere near enough to get everything out. Laxatives don't even seem to work at all anymore.
Here's another thought. Many people who think they have candida may have something more serious like a virus or parasites. Maybe they never recover because they are indeed making things worse through the candida diet.
I remember reading an article which stated that a case of candida overgrowth can/should be taken care of within no longer than a few weeks. Unfortunately, it can be really hard to find out what the true problem is. Things have gotten extremely confusing.
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I think you have several good points. I have long said on this forum that I felt that many people mistake any bad feeling to be die-off when it is actually toxicity or an intolerance to something. Like, "I took such and such and 30 minutes later I had horrible die off". Nah.
I have never been of the mindset that the lower the carbs the better. The alternative nutritionist I went to when first diagnosed said to eat whole food sources for carbs, such as yams, legumes, squashes, which is what I did and have been doing. It seems that many who go the no/low carb route wind up in worse situations than those who don't do that.
I read of one gal who cured her candidiasis by consuming Guinness. Seriously. I tried but I seem to be intolerant of yeasts (can't do Kombucha either), but obvioulsy not everyone is. I however, can drink dry white wines without getting flared up. Go figure.
Yes, I have to report the same. When you go to an extreme low carbohydrate diet, you are taking your body to a metabolic shot down. Cells need energy and carbohydrates are the main source. Intestinal bacterias need food to survive and bacterias grow when you eat carbohydrates. Proteins and vegatables CAN NOT give you tha amount of energy required to stand the day. This is only possible if you eat a lot of fat together which can have several side effects. Eat whole food, yams, sweet potatos, yucca root, malanga root, all of them are hypoallergenic and with a low glycemic index. Avoid refined carbohydrates and sugar. By the way, I have read two medical reports which say candida can not feed with lactose. I have found those reports searching the web. I don't believe candida rewards the body in any way if you eat carbohydrates. The German report claims that candida penetrate deeper looking for food if you supress all the sources. IMO, a 0 carbohydrate diet isn't the way to go. At the end, there isn't any scientific evidence to confirm this will end with candida.
True! And if you think about it, none of the books on candida, not even The yeast Connection, advocate low/no carbs. They are all pretty liberal once you get beyond the "no sugar, no wheat, no refined grains" recommendations. I still feel, based mostly on personal experience as well as reading stuff, that candida is about an imbalance in the body, be it liver, adrenal, stomach acid issues, etc., and I will continue to go in this direction to heal, because I keep slowly getting better as I go on this way. It may not be a fast cure, but I feel I am building a decent foundation. Yes, it took me 8 years to get here, and no, I don't expect others to have to wait that long, and yes, I made a bunch of mistakes in the beginning years that set me back a lot, but if I look back at the utter mess I was at the start, and how things are now, I am a completely different (healthier) person, who sometimes gets flares, rather than a miserbale person who is sick 24/7, month after month, year after year. I'll take it!
I hear alcohol is no good for candida sufferers because it lowers the ph level making us more vulnerable for candida overgrowth. Not sure how accurate this is, but I will sure like to find an alcoholic beverage that has no effects on candida.
Uh... difficult to elaborate, actually. Seems to curb outbreaks very quickly when taken in massive quantities, neutralizing skin problems and making me feel a hell of a lot better almost instantly. However, doesn't seem to be much of a long-term effect - just for the day. Doesn't feel like die-off at all, either; more like a powerful stimulant or something.
I think there are many studies which prove that a low carb diet causes candida to become more severe but this is because the candida starves so it embeds deeper looking for food. The theory was that starving the candida while taking anti-fungals though is the only way to get rid of the problem.
I myself have actually started taking a ton of natural antifungals and cut out all carbs and since then I've had a sore throat to the point of coughing blood and now in day 16 I had some blood leak out my ear, so I am definitely concerned.
I will give you my opinion because I think you are some like new in this battle. I may be wrong.
Yes, pioneers MDs didn't find antifungals that were totally fungicidal against candida. In fact, they are fungistatic at the doses you can tolerate. So, they needed another resource to get a cure and the diet to starve candida came to the light. Having a weak infection, the antifungals are more effectives. At that time, there was almost no information about the fact candida is an intracellular pathogen that can live outside and inside the cells. When candida hides inside the cells keep "dormant" until the enviroment favor to go extracellular again an infect mucous membranes. It is complex mechanism which is still under research. I think in the future Science will know more about it. So far, you can follow a longer and higher therapy than what is commun known to see if it can cure the infection. I am not sure this will happen but according to several sources, there isn't way to end with a severe infection if you don't use Rx drugs. A drug combination is giving hope to many people. I am setting a plan based in this. Natural antifungals weren't enough for me, in spite of I have used all known.
Oh, my! I'd seriously get that ear thing checked out. You don't want to be harboring any kind of infection that could bring your healing energy down, and bleeding would to me be a sign to go have a looksie just in case.
Sounds to me that the sore throat was caused by an upper respiratory infection (possibly fungal, but could be bacterial). Either way, these herbs can cause impetigo - I know this first hand. Blood in the ear is often related to impetigo (not fungal). My suspicion (in my case, because I know via cultures that I have/had five molds growing in my resp tract) is that when the mold/fungi cell walls break open, bacteria and mycoplasma are released - hence creating bacterial infections (impetigo).
I also don't believe in a extreme lowcarb or a carbless diet. I don't have any evidence for it yet, it's just a gut feeling (lame joke I know :P) that an extreme low carb or carbless diet isn't the way. A diet rid of simple sugars yes, but extreme low carb or carbless no.
I eat between 90-150 gram carbs per day. That's low carb but not extremely low carb or carbless.
Don't forget the body needs carbs. Not carbs in huge amounts the Western diet has become laden with, but it needs some carbs. Even the low carb doctor Dr. Atkins himself said that a diet too low in carbs alters the thyroid. A extreme low carb diet not only causes ketosis, alters your metabolic rate but also a downregulation of the thyroid hormone t3. So it's not surprising you immediately felt warmer that day after eating carbs.
Good bacteria need carbs too in order to survive.
The question that keeps nagging in my mind is: If people beat candida with a carbless diet how can they expect that candida does't flare up after eating somewhat normal again? If you can't find a balance without carbs how can you expect to find a balance with carbs?
I'm under the impression that the original idea was to no-carb your way through the first stage of RX antifungal treatment, and then start gradually building carb intake back up - and that does work, to some extent. I'm nowhere near feeling perfect, but I've certainly gotten rid of a few symptoms along the way.