someone brought up a great point that if the stones are made in the intestine as a chemical reaction then all the greeks and middle eastern people and mediterraneans would be passing 'soap' in their stools for thousands of years.
First of all most people are not weird and obsessed enough to be picking through their feces to dig out small pieces of saponified olive oil. So this occurs a lot more frequently that people think, but most people don't dig through it and just flush.
And obviously the person making the claim did not understand how these so-called "stones" form. Some are from the saponification reaction in the intestines. The others are from a sterol-cholesterol complex. The later "stones" require not only the olive oil but also cholesterol from the bile. Regular ingestion of olive oil, such as in the Mediterranean diet, releases the bile from the gallbladder on a regular basis preventing the saturation of the bile with the cholesterol needed to form these "stones" in the intestines. See no magic involved, just simple science.
In addition they are not ingesting magnesium sulfate with meals. Did your friends consider the fact that the breakdown of the magnesium sulfate can form magnesium hydroxide increasing the saponification of the oil?
By the way they should also look up fecal soaps. They are normally formed from the reaction of alkalis on fats in the intestines. But again most people don't go looking for it in their feces. And the soaps don't always form globs that look like real gallstones.
Lmao !! Apparently you are HV! Why don;t you just admit it you don't have clue as to what you are talking about. If you have never tried a Liver/gallbladder flush you are speaking out of pure ignorance. Which to any who has is so obvious.
And just what do you say to those who have gotten stones without the olive oil ????????? This should be even funnier.
That is all you could come back with? No real evidence? That proves right there that you are clueless about the facts. After all, if you did have a clue what you were talking about then you would have responded with something rational such as evidence, or at least a decent explanation to how this bogus crap could actually work. But keep up with your feces fetish if this is what keeps you going through the day.
What is the diameter in millimeters of these "stones"? If you are not sure can you post photos next to a ruler?
They would be an odd color for real gallstones so what makes you think they are real gallstones and not something like a calcium oxalate complex?
Unfortunately I don't have a digital camera nor do I have a scanner for scanning regular photos. You will have to take my word for what I say. Some of these things that I passed are about 4mm; some are bigger because they consist of several stuck together.
Yet the bile ducts can only expand about 2mm maximum, even with dilation by magnesium sulfate. In other words these are too large to have come from the gallbladder through the bile ducts.
Some are dark brown; most look like, well, stones. You know - round pebbles. I didn't save everything that landed in the strainer, maybe 10% of them, or approx. 50 of these things I call "stones"
I make no claims for anything - only that I know what a "stone" is. Why would I care if it's calcium oxalate or a "real" stone - whatever that means? Are we supposed to have these calcium oxalate things in our bodies? If we are, why did they choose to come out?
Calcium oxalate can easily be formed from diet. Certain foods and drinks are high in oxalic acid such as rhubarb, kale, purslane, coffee, tea, etc. Oxalic acid is also formed from the breakdown of excess ascorbic acid (vitamin C). Oxalic acid readily binds with calcium forming an insoluble complex of calcium oxalate. Therefore ingesting oxalic acid and calcium sources at the same time can easily form "stones" in the digestive system. But these are not gallstones.
I looked up "gallstones" on itmonline. An article there by Subhuti Dharmananda, PhD. defines Gallstones as follows:
"Gallstones are primarily comprised of cholesterol and calcium, as calcium bilirubinate or calcium palmitate. Depending on the precise composition, the stones may be soft (more cholesterol) or relatively hard (more calcium). There may be a large number of small sticky stones, or just one large hard stone, as well as many intermediate conditions, such as a few medium size firm stones (see Figure 3). The presence of stones may be accompanied by inflammation of the gallbladder wall (cholecystitis). Cholecystis may stimulate stones to form, or the stones may induce such inflammation, with each condition progressively worsening the other."
Yes, this is all true. But the majority of real gallstones are cholesterol based and greenish. Bilirubin stones are more rare and are darker. But nether are grayish as you described these stones. Again this is why I say they are more likely calcium oxalate stones.