"In any event, to get back to the task at hand, how do these devices differ and do you need to use all three of them? In short, they are different in major ways and, Yes, you do need to use them all to be more effective in eliminating parasites of all types. The Zapper kills by passing an electrical current through the body. Electricity travels on the surface of muscle tissue and will not penetrate the body like radio waves or x-rays do. Therefore, there are large areas of the body that the current cannot reach, making it ineffective in eliminating parasites in those locations. Areas such as the contents of your stomach and your intestines, your sinus cavities, parasites inside Gallstones in your gallbladder and/or liver, and the blood stream and lymph tend to be impervious to the Zapper. Unfortunately, large numbers of parasites live in all of those areas. So you need different devices to reach different areas."
Now to my questions.
1. If the above statement is correct then where exactly in our bodies are the zappers effective? What can we be zapping on the "surface" of tissues?
2. Do any/many of you use blood purifiers and/or magnetic pulse generators in addition to your zappers?
3. If so, can you tell ("feel"?) a difference between just using a zapper and using either/both of these other types of equipment?
4. I know some of you are dealing with mycoplasma and other intracellular pathogens (that also venture out into the bloodstream when their host human cell is destroyed (and bursts). For those of you with intracellular pathogens, can you please tell me your thoughts regarding blood purifiers and magnetic pulse generators.
AFTERTHOUGHT NOTE: I recently purchased a zapper and used it for the first time with interesting results. I went to use it last night for ONLY THE SECOND TIME AND AFTER EXTREMELY CAREFUL HANDLING and discovered that the adapter cord was literally coming apart, sheathing/covering and wires and all (the adapter cord for the wall outlet). Yikes!!! Obviously I didn't use it again. This Zapper technology and machinery is making me nervous to say the least (but i liked it when it wasn't falling apart)!
I disagree with what you found on Toolsforhealing.
This text seems to have been written by a biased “Bob Beck’s protocol” aficionado.
= A zapper is VERY effective on sinusitis, in 20 to 30mn (at least for me)
= A zapper can cause diarrhea and foul-smelling flatulence. Everyone on the beginning, is looking for death worms in the stool. There is no obligation , but sometimes they found some.
All this is proof than its action goes as far as the inner intestinal track.
= A zapper working with current will be good anywhere where current goes. Blood and lymph are good conductors of electricity, and zapper does well there.
It is true that current, going where resistance is lower, will travel on muscles surface MUCH BETTER than inside the muscles, as it goes much easier on intestine surface than inside.
It is true that a zapper is only a tool among others, working better on some places, and not so good on others, good for some people, and not so well for others.
Zappers working with frequency and resonant phenomena can extend the effect of a zapper to a good extent.
There is many people using a zappicator to zap food (and teeth) an I’m pretty sure many had used the speaker terminal of a zappicator to reach other zones of the body.
My best complement to my zapper (for me) is Colloidal Silver , and some other “tools” too.
A magnetic pulse generator is another “special tool”
Herbs and herb extract recommended by Dr Clark will do very well on areas where the zapper is not at its best.
A blood purifier/electrifier is a very dedicated “zapper” working very well on blood only.
That’s why Mr Beck added a magnetic pulser to reach the lymph, Colloidal Silver to reach the inside of the intestinal track, and some other tools to have a complete “health protocol”
A Hulda Clark zapper has a much wider (and easy) use.
This is one of the reasons why it is so popular : Easy to use, and effective (most of the time)
If you are a strong believer of Bob Beck, by any means, go for it!
After all, Placebo effect is acting 1/3 of the time with good effects, on all our healthy problems. (Doctors have about the same ratio, by the way)
=> AFTERTHOUGHT NOTE: … … …
Could you inform us what kind of zapper brand are (where) you using?
Is this one with H. Clark picture on it?
If you ask questions about service/warranty, we will be glad to hear about this issue from you.
Thank you once again MZap for your insightful and informative response to my post.
First, let me please wait to disclose the details of the maker etc of the zapper i purchased (and referred to at the end of my post). I want to see how they respond to my complaint and what they do to make the situation right. In any event, I may well fully disclose all details regarding the zapper product very soon.
I found one of the most interesting and informative pages on the various protocals discussed in this forum here:
I don't know anything about this company or these folks and i will repeat again, I am a TOTAL NEWBIE - - I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THIS ZAPPING/BLOOD ELECTRIFICATION - - OR PULSERS other than what I've read in the last week (but I've read a lot in a short amount of time).
This purports to be a zapper, blood electrification device and magnetic pulser all in one and for a relatively cheap price.
MZap, would you please comment on their "question and answer" page? Would you please comment on their product. Are you familiar with it?
Calling all of you out there with experience in these matters - - - please comment on the info and products contained herein (on the altered-states links) and please address whether you agree on the "Total Protocol" method of (1) Zapping; (2) Electrification of Blood; and (3) Magnetic Pulsing.
Lastly, can anyone tell me how we know that these magnetic pulsing devices are safe for regular and/or longterm use?
This site is devoted to Bob Beck protocol.
I found the information of your reference page (and the site) interesting, and as far as I can say, serious.
As time permits it, I will continue digging and reading more.
I’m not familiar with the product you mention, but maybe someone has one and is willing to share his/her experience with us.
So far, you seems to have just tried once a Hulda Clark Zapper, with promising results.
It seems too that my apprehension about 110V powered zappers (very expensive and not so well made, for MANY of them) was close to your bad experience with yours.
“IncredibleResolve, The-Lucky-One”, still alive to narrate its misadventure to everyone of us! (:-) (:-( (:-).
There is very good zappers out there, costing a fraction of the price of the line powered ones, working safely with ONLY ONE anemic 9V battery, and giving you all the positive effects of a Hulda Clark ’s zapper.
You did a bad experience. Is this meaning that ALL H.C. zappers are bad?
I don’t think so.
Is this meaning too that Bob Beck’s devices are better?
Is this meaning that a well made #2 Philips screwdriver is better than a well made #3 Robertson one?
Only you and your needs (and your beliefs) can answer for you.
>- The Zapper kills by passing an electrical current through the body. Electricity travels on the surface of muscle tissue and will not penetrate the body ...
This is not entirely true and depends on the zapper, the frequency, and the electrodes that are used.
#1 Many zappers are made differently and the output drive of a zapper is very important in determining the propogation of the signal into deeper portions of the body when it is so used.
#2 Lower frequencies penetrate better. In my testing, I find little penetration of 30 kHz but good penetration of 2.5 kHz and lower.
#3 Using a 4 point electrode system ( 3 positive, 1 negative ) produces far better signal penetration than does the 2 electrode system. I have previously posted
waveforms to illustrate this.
Also, the larger the electrodes ( to a reasonable limit ) the deeper the signal penetrates.
As evidens for this, Using a better zapper with copper handles and copper footpads will in many cases create a need to replenish intestinal flora after use.
Also, using dark field microscopy to examine blood before and after zapping will show a change in the microbes present in the blood.
I have tried the Beck Blood Purifier but did not see any improvement. Some people like it because they think that stronger is better and that is their main judgement in any therapy. I do not agree with this philosophy and feel that there is an optimum somewhere between too strong and too weak. If a person feels that they need something to shock the heck out of themselves, that is their choice but caveat emptor, there is a risk of neuropathy and other problems from too much jolt.
As a note, Both MZAp and I are completely capable of ptoducing Beck units, Pulsers, and Rife units. The reason that we do not should say something.
>- This Zapper technology and machinery is making me nervous to say the least
Both MZAP and I have shown how rediculously cheaply made that some of these competitors zappers are made and sometimes even very dangerous.
If you just got yours, you might want to try to return it, good luck. If they balk, open the zapper up and look at the junk that is probably inside. Make a picture and post it.
As stated, I've just found this site. I've appreciated every insightful and thoughtful response of MZap. I do not as yet disagree with anything in his last post in this thread. As of now, we appear to share similar opinions on certain things. Unfortunately, I may have made a mistake in my selection of my first zapper (Yes too expensive for what I got imho). Perhaps not - time will tell and I will give more information re that subject as it unfolds. Just the facts of my experience with the zapper seller in issue.
MZap, thank you for advising me of the existence of the Beck forum! Have you also tried Beck and found it lacking compared to zapping?
Para, thank you for weighing in Sir. As you likely can discern I'm fairly inquisitive and intrigued by all of these protocols (zapping, blood electrification & pulsing - - all new concepts to me). Your response now has me thinking and generating new questions:
1. What is "output drive";
2. You state that lower frequencies penetrate better. My understanding is that a lot of Beck protocol is based on EVEN LOWER freq than the 2.5 Khz to which you referred for zapping(the Q&A on the "altered states" site discusses Beck protocol at 4Hz) (http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter133/beckq&a.htm). Do you regularly/often zap at 2.5Khz? Why is that freq so effective? What lead you to use that freq?;
3. Where does voltage come in when we are talking about "strength of zapping" based upon the frequency?
4. Further, Para, you stated "I have tried the Beck Blood Purifier but did not see any improvement. Some people like it because they think that stronger is better." Why do you say that Beck is "stronger." I'm confused. What makes it stronger if the freq is less? Are we talking about voltage now? I need a mini education on this please.
5. Para (or MZap), are you familiar with "transfection?" If so, what are your thoughts please? How significant is the risk? Can you refer me to any studies, data, authority etc?;
6. Para, please ship me more info on the 4 point electrode system to which you refer - I'm interested. I'm waiting for your "zapping booklet" to arrive. Perhaps information there will help in my education.
7. I will research dark field microscopy (another technology I've never heard of). What is the demonstrated effect on the pathogens as seen by DFM? Are they killed, or disabled? (I assume it depends on the pathogen).
Thank you both VERY MUCH for your responses. Much appreciated.
I will learn.
AFTERTHOUGHT: The purported owner of Altered-States called me tonight in response to a lengthy & somewhat detailed questionnaire email that I sent to his company. He told me that his company has been in business for many years out of New Zealand. Can ANYONE vouch for "altered-states" products ( http://altered-states.net/barry/rifemarkv/index.htm
) or give any information re them? Thanks.
you will read that transfection is done by applying electroporation, involving VERY HIGH voltages.
Electroporation word was wrongly used by Bob Beck to explain a magnification of inter-cellular activity, permitting the easier absorption of substances in transit in our body (Medicines, drugs, herbs extracts, …)
Some publicity is wrongly using electroporation to give you the feeling that their unit is the “ultimate one” . Read this interesting note : http://www.ezw.zapperwise.com/e_pub-exaggeration.html#Electroporation
This “magnification” sometimes happens, and you should be aware of it when using electro-medicine. I find the use of Transfection and electroporation exaggerated, in the use of a zapper.
Note : Most zappers having working frequencies well over 4Hz, this question is of relative importance.
=> Have you also tried Beck and found it lacking compared to zapping?
Yes, I have tried the last version of the Bec’s blood purifier. Being in (relative) good health, I found its use similar or better to the Clark’s zapper, when using the Beck’s zappers electrodes on the wrist, and aiming at the blood stream.
I found too that Clark’s zapper effect was much “wider” and producing more Herx reactions, with the big copper tubes.
Using Beck’s zapper with copper tubes is an interesting TINGLING experience, most users dislike.
Some people like Bob Beck’s devices very much, and no doubt, they are effective.
My experience (and personal health condition) makes me prefer Clark’s zappers for most uses, as a more easy to use and effective enough device for MY NEEDS (yours can be different).
Being widely used and manufactured, you can have very good units at reasonable prices (well under the $100 tag), for a basic unit.
About your mentioned site “Altered States”, I never hear about them until now, but I’m happy to know them. Thanks. I don’t know their products, so I can’t say much about them.
Note for everyone new in this filed : When beginning using a two wheel vehicle, it is wise to start with a bicycle (basic unit) instead of a top of the line 1200cc racing bike (whatever the brand) There is a difference in the price (:-) and a lot to learn anyway with the "basic unit"
Good customers buying good units always come back, anyway (:-)
Output drive is the total amount of power applied to the test subject that is being zapped. The basic formula is P=EI which means that the power is equal to the voltage applied times the current achieved.
If the applied power is too low, then insufficient results will be noticed and if too much power is applied, damage can occur.
There are also other factors to consider such as power/area which is often measured in mw per cm square or mw per inch square. Too high of a power concentration can cause damage. For this reason, if you are using a high power output, you should also be using electrodes with a larger area of contact. This is one reason why those who use wrist straps may get skin burns and for the same reason, the pennies on the Terminator type zappers cause burns.
>- You state that lower frequencies penetrate better
Yes, but the lower frequencies produce weaker harmonics in the range of frequencies that Dr. Clark claims are important.
The 3rd harmonic has one third the power of the fundemental frequency. The 51st harmonic has 1/51 the strength. There is a trade off, the lower the fundemental frequency, the lower the power in the harmonics that count.
Another factor is sensitivity of the nervous system. At 30 kHz, the human body rarely feels the zapper but this varies from individual to individual. Almost all humans can certainly feel frequencies of 100 Hz and lower. Many can slightly feel 2000 to 2500 Hz. Again, slightly.
This is one reason that 2500 Hz is chosen, low sensitivity, good penetration, sufficient strength of harmonics, and harmonics are close together.
>- Beck protocol at 4Hz
The use of Beck at 4 Hz is quite effective in eliminating foreign life from the blood, Sadly, that is where it stops mostly due to the way that it is used ( small electrodes over the arteries ). As it was mentioned elsewhere, the use of copper paddle electrodes could produce an impressive zap but I will express that there is a potential danger to this. Low frequencies such as 4 Hz can be easily felt and they can penetrate, the harmonics are high in number but are much weaker that 2500 Hz.
Another low frequency device is the Don Croft Terminator which outputs 15 Hz. A number of individuals feel that the 15 Hz frequency produces an improved feeling of well being as well as accentuating REM sleep in some cases. Again, the disadvantages are small contacts and contacts too close together, IMO.
I would like to point out here about the cats purr which is normally 15 Hz to 20 Hz and is the real reason that cats are reputed to have 9 lives. There are recorded cases of cats that have fallen over 50 stories and survived, of course with multiple bone breakages. These cats will lay there and purr, healing several times faster than other animals. There are actually bone healing devices for humans based on this principle.
Look at the Rife frequency list, it is amazing.
>- Why do you say that Beck is "stronger
Most, if not all BBBE's output 27 to 36 volts rather than just 9 volts that zappers provide. This provides more power, which is fine if limited to the arteries in the arm or legs and not passed through the torso. Along with this additional power, there is risk, especially a risk of heart stoppage if the electrodes were placed across the chest. Frequency is not power, it is the rate of repetition ( how many times per second ).
Since MZAP covered a bit of this, I will touch on it only a bit. Transfection is a process of genetic exchange that naturally occurs in bacteria and also covers the transportation of genetic information into other eukaryotic cells. There is a concern of released bacterial and viral genes being absorbed into the DNA of our own cells. This actually can happen, but is a rare occurence that anything significant results from it and is often easily spotted by the immune system ( when it is properly working ).
>- dark field microscopy
The advantage of Dark field microscopy is that it is easier to see smaller foreign material than it is with normal back-light microscopy. In DFM, the light comes in from the side and will never be directly seen making the entire background dark. The structures of living organisms can act as lenses changing the direction of the light, occasionally directing it toward the objective which produces a brifght organism on a dark background.
>- >- I have tried the Beck Blood Purifier but did not see any improvement
This is not meant to disparage the BBBE which I think is a magnificent tool. I was trying to express that I had achieve enough effects witht the use of the zapper that the Beck unit did not appear to provide me with any additional benefit. As I said before, there are some proponents that feel that if it does not jolt the heck out of you, it does not work. I disagree and sometimes subtility is superb.
Para, THANK YOU SO MUCH for your tremendous response to my questions! Your post is so jam packed with information I will need to re-read it several times. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME SIR!
I definitely want to continue experimenting with the zapper. You may recall that the adapter that came with the zapper I purchased was literally coming apart after one use. I am waiting for a replacement adapter and have not zapped again yet. Thus, my grand total of zapping experience is one session.
Obviously the condition of the adapter cord that came with my zapper is extremely disconcerting to me. It makes me very nervous indeed.
MZap stated, if I recall correctly, that zappers that operate plugged into the wall pose a very significant risk of electrocution and death if the components fail. Do you agree? Is it correct that there literally is no fail safe (redundant safety mechanisms) and a person using a zapper connected to a wall outlet may be electrocuted? Wow. Is there any type of commercial adapter that I can buy at radio shack or anywhere to make the wall unit safer?
You noted a couple of frequencies that you thought were both safe and effective (30Khz and 2500Hz). Are these then frequencies that you would recommend I experiment with as a newbie?
The Altered-States Q&A to which I referred states that, for BBBE, 90Hz is fairly effective in general and carries significantly less risk of transfection than 4Hz; HOWEVER, for stubborn micro-pathogens such as EBV 4Hz is needed. For a person who wanted to, among other things, target EBV and mycoplasma in the blood (since they cannot be targeted in the cells) would you be able to suggest a safe and effective BBBE protocol?
My zapper came with wrist straps. The literature indicates that I should use them on my feet. The seller told me that I can use the zapper as a BBBE by putting the wrist straps on my leg with the electrode facing the main artery on the inner side of my legs. Can you please comment on this. Does this make sense to you? If so, can you tell me where exactly I would place the wrist straps on my legs?
>- zappers that operate plugged into the wall pose a very significant risk of electrocution and death if the components fail. Do you agree?
I agree that there is a risk of using any adapter that does not carry the IEC 60101 rating for human safety. It is illegal to sell any other adapter for use in a device that treats the human body in the US as well as many other countries. While I have not seen that particular adapter, anyone who uses hobbyist grade parts in their products would probably sell a hobbyist grade adapter.
>- Is there any type of commercial adapter that I can buy at radio shack or anywhere to make the wall unit safer?
I doubt it. The ones that I found that meet the specifications wholesale at close to $50.00 US.
>- (30Khz and 2500Hz). Are these then frequencies that you would recommend I experiment with as a newbie?
Those 2 frequencies are the most common and all of my zappers at least include both. ParaZapper CC1 includes a total of 9 frequencies in 4 modes.
>- would you be able to suggest a safe and effective BBBE protocol?
Since Blood electrification is not a product that I am involved in, it is best to go to the Beck Forum for that info.
>- My zapper came with wrist straps.
Based on my prior studies, wrist straps are about the least effective electrode that you can use.
>- can you tell me where exactly I would place the wrist straps on my legs?
If the seller makes this claim, then they should provide the proper placement info.
=> I agree that there is a risk of using any adapter that does not carry the IEC 60101 rating for human safety. It is illegal to sell any other adapter for use in a device that treats the human body in the US as well as many other countries.
I has been involved in many electrical approvals under UL/CSA/CE in the 80’s an 90’s
The general rules where at that time that EVERY component involved had to meet the standard suited for the use intended, AND (this was a must too) that THE WHOLE PRODUCT, as an assembly, had to be verified/approved for this use too.
This translates, in our case, that not only the transformer, but the whole transformer+zapper+accessories had to be approved.
This is a tedious, time consuming, very expensive project approval most manufactures try to avoid, when possible. This leads too, for some manufacturers to “cheat” and/or transfer the responsibility to the final customer, unaware of this "transfer", a very bad practice.
For these reasons, I feel that even if the transformer is approved IEC 60101, the whole unit poses a safety and legal problem, most of the time.
As long as electrical safety rules applies (with the line involved), 9V-batteries-only are the only way to go.
If anyone knows what are the actual rules, please, lets us know. (I'm expecting more rules, not more simplicity.)