I have a sleep aid 'Mellodyn' ingredients
per 2 caps
Valarian root standardised to 8%valerenic acids 500mg
standardised to 2% flavanoids (apigenin) 400mg
Passion flower extract standardised to 4% vitexin 300mg
Lemon balm standardised 2% flavanoids 200mg
It says if on thyroid meds to consult physician. I'm on Armour. I did some reseach and i think it is the lemon balm that is the problem, it lowers thyroid hormones apparently.
Correct. Lemon balm, also known as Melissa, is a thyroid suppressant. This is one of the herbs used to suppress thyroid in cases of hyperthyroidism. Bugleweed is the other common one, although prunella (heal all) is also known for its ability to suppress the thyroid.
I don't plan to take them every night. Would these be safe for occassional use do you think, or do i try and get a refund. Would it cause a bad reaction?
Because of the high dose of melatonin I would return it. I am not in to melatonin since it is a hormone, and substituting for the body's production of hormones can lead to a decline in the body's ability to generate its own hormones. Melatonin is produced in the body in picograms, which is a thousand times less than a milligram. So when you take 3 milligrams of melatonin you are taking a dose literally thousands of times higher than the body would normally produce itself. I really do not think this is safe.
I've also started on their other product 'Amoryn' which helps raise neurotransmitters like serotonin naturally. This can take upto 8 weeks to notice the affect.
I wake up alot during the night. Doesn't Seratonin convert into melatonin?
Maybe this will help eventually with my sleep anyway.
I also take 'Seredyn' as needed, the third product in their range. They recommend kava or taurate to take with it to get even better relaxation results.
I bought some 500mg ones, all i can get, what do you think about this mix. Seredyn is niacinamide, mag taurinate, passion flower, valarian and l-theanine.
This is good, but in a small percentage of the population valerian actually acts as a stimulant.
In the uk we can't get kava. Does it hurt the liver? what if you have impaired liver in the first place? I would like to get hold of some, maybe from overseas, for occassional use, but not sure if i can take safely.
No, it does not hurt the liver. I addressed this here:
So even people who may have impaired liver can take kava.
Can you catagorically confirm this Hv. So many mixed messages out there.
You are right, they are covering their backsides. People tend to be very litigious and will sue for just about anything. If someone is taking kava and they develop any type of liver issue you know the authorities are going to blame the kava regardless of the real cause. So this warning gives them a defense against lawsuits.
They must have lifted the ban recently. I put in kava uk and everywhere sells it now. Brilliant!!!
Is it definately the tincture i need to buy?
Normally I do not like tinctures, but there are a few times where they are a better choice. This is one. Herbs are best taken on an empty stomach in almost all cases. But some people eat before bed and therefore still have food in their stomach at that time. This will slow down the absorption of kava capsules. So the tincture allows absorption from under the tongue allowing it to go right in to the blood stream. The glycerite avoids the alcohol and gives the kava a sweeter taste.
So i can take this with all the different herbs i'm taking?
Well they even recommended it to take with 'Seredyn' so i know okay with that.
So what strength and can i take daily if needed for stressful situations (social anxiety) like going away to do residential 2 week course.
It doesn't dull your faculities either apparently, so sounds ideal. So driving not a problem?
It merely calms the mind down a little, but will not make you feel "drunk" or anything at that small dose. For general use I recommend a half a dropper full under the tongue and hold for a minute or two before swallowing. Before bed 1 to 2 dropper fulls. The glycerites are much thicker than alcohol tinctures and therefore does not come out of the dropper well. So two dropper fulls are more like 1 dropper full of the alcohol tincture.
I'm really excited i can get it. So they must have decided it is safe. You couldn't even buy it from abroad before as not allowed to import. would i need to reduce dose if taking other relaxing/anti anxiety herbs?
The dose I recommend for general use is going to be very low to begin with.
Just no alcohol with it obviously.
Not sure if i can get a tincture in that base.
I've only seen the caps in uk. I'm still not sure of the strength i need to look for. Capsules are 250mg but they don't state the kavaclones?
Then it is probably the straight herb not concentrated and not standardized.
I'm also looking to take it during the day when i go on course, not just at night. To take as needed.
So i wasted my money on the 'Amoryn' then as well. So does that mean i don't need the seratonin then if my sleep is worse. I thought perhaps i just needed to adjust to it. I cut my dose from 2 tabs to one yesterday.
That is what it sounds like to me, that you are raising your serotonin levels too high.
I don't feel good on it but thought i'd persevere as i'm sure some testimonials said it increased anxiety a bit at first but worked great later. I was on the bus the other day and actually felt panicky after taking one.
So the other neurotransmitter you mentioned, how do i increase that?
Lecithin granules or choline bitartrate supplements can raise acetylcholine levels.
I thought GABA didn't cross the blood brain barrier. I did buy some pharmagaba once as supposed to be better, but never ended up using it.
It does not cross very well, but its break down product gamma hydroxybutyrate (GHB) will. GHB can stimulate GABA receptors and increase the transport of serotonin across the blood-brain barrier. These effects give GABA its calming effects.
I already take ashwagandha but in a mix, and i don't take 3 times as i am supposed to as keep forgetting. I used to take religiously but i seem to only take in morning now.
I might take it on its own for anxiety.
What does glycerine do?
In the case of tinctures it is just an alternative solvent to alcohol. And it is sweet, so it can help tinctures to taste better.
I phoned my uk supplier of 'Mellodyn' before reading your reply post. I planned to ask for a refund. As i wasn't an actual client under them, they couldn't actually advise me, but a doctor overhearing conversation relayed he would presribe 'Mellodyn' to his patients on Armour. So i never asked for that refund
At the time i was more concerned with the lemon balm. Now the melatonin worries me more.
So what do you think of the 'Amoryn'? which is basically vits, like zinc, c and b and st john's wort and 5htp.
It looks OK. I just don't care for standardized extracts. I discuss this in this post:
I get some social anxiety and they often give the re uptake drugs like Seroxat,for those sort of problems, which can cause suicidal tendencies in some people.
So my thinking was, to take a more natural product to raise serotonin and other neuro transmitters.
My sleeping is worse since taking them though. I've been taking them only a week. I've heard people can be born with low levels of serotonin. I've had problems with alcohol in the past, and my grand dad was an alcoholic and i've suffered from phobias/tension/nervousness/slight ocd
all my life. So I do wonder if i was born deficient
The problem is likely not from a serotonin deficiency then. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are notorious for causing mental disturbances including suicidal depression, especially when first starting on them. The problem is that they are often prescribed to people with normal serotonin levels and the excess serotonin leads to the disturbances. Do your original problem could be from a lack of some other neurotransmitter. Likely acetylcholine since deficiencies can lead to anxiety.
I don't always have trouble sleeping, but do wake up alot but wanted the Mellodyn for when i go on residential course as can't sleep in strange places. Could you suggest an alternative without the melatonin?
Taurine, glycine, GABA, kava, scullcap, ashwagandha and lady's slipper are all great choices to help calm the mind for sleep. If you can find lady's slipper this is the most powerful thing I have found yet for sleep. It is considered a narcotic herb.
Is 500mg enough taurine to take with Seredyn. Do i have to take this on empty stomach etc.
You could start with the 500mg dose to see if that is enough for you. If not you can increase it. And yes, it should be taken at least 30 minutes before meals.
There is a questionnaire on this site to determine what you are lacking, what is your dominant neurotransmitter etc.
I get alot of True answers for GABA. like i find it hard to find the right words. I hate explaining things to people. I have problems with recalling events.
I'd like to take something that the body will use to make any transmitter it needs, as i'm nervous about unbalancing my brain chemistry even further.
TMG and choline bitartrate are both methyl donors. So they help in the development of all the neurotransmitters. TMG is safer though in higher doses.