I have been supplementing Iodine for about 3 1/2 months mostly at 100 mg but lately at 50 mg. I am taking all the companion supps including the salt flushes. New symptoms I'm having are tingling in my head, hands and feet sometimes with a little numbness and a very runny nose. I am very fatigued but this is not new been happening since I started. All in all not much good has happened from Iodine except smoother breast tissue which happened pretty early on. I'm starting to get discouraged and concerned about the new symptoms. Any advice?
Everything that you mention has been experienced by forum members. The runny nose is referenced in old literature(jarvis) as being a sign of sufficiency, I beg to differ, had I quit when my nose was running, I'd still have FBD.
Fatigue is common, one thing that always helped me was the coffee enema(liver detox). The tingling you mention is suggestive of peripheral neuropathy..
from "The basic program for feeling young and in love", 2006, pp 15-26.
“Iodine is the element that most human diets are most deficient in. Salts of the element Iodine are called “Iodides”. The vast majority of the dietary Iodine we eat is in the form of Iodides. Over 99% of Americans are presently consuming sub-optimal amounts of Iodide. This is because we are presently living in environments very different from the environments our hominid, and early human, ancestors lived in, and adjusted to, for millions of years, and we are eating foods very different from the kinds of foods our ancestors evolved to need. They evolved in semi-marine environments where Iodide was about 100 times more plentiful in their food chain, than it is in the foods we usually eat in America today. In the second volume of this book I will go into more detail about where on Earth our more distant ancestors evolved. The bottom line, however, is that the right amount of dietary Iodide for optimum human health and happiness is about 6- 14 mg, per adult, per day. The best final dosage of Iodide for most men is 8-12 mg. The best final dosage of Iodide for most women is 12 mg per day. About 90-95% of American adults can start right at those high final doses with no health problems.
“Even 1 mg per day, however, is still too high a dosage for about 5-10% of American adults to begin with. It may take months, or even years, for the millions of Americans suffering from more severe thyroid problems and/or “diabetic neuropathy” to get used to eating that much Iodide. This is because as dying peripheral nerves start being revived with more optimal Iodide levels and metabolism, for months or even years, they usually still do not function normally. Instead, they tend to signal to the brain sensations of intense itching and/or phantom pains. To help reduce these very distracting and painful problems, it is more comfortable to start with just ½ mg of Iodide per day. That is about 3 or 4 times as much Iodine as most Americans are currently getting, but it is still a low enough dosage not to overly aggravate the peripheral itching and pain problems.
“Taking ½ mg per day is just enough to noticeably speed up metabolism. In many adults with slower metabolism, it also may temporarily (for a few weeks) increase the pulse rate. As I just mentioned, people with long standing hypothyroidism, and/or poorly controlled Type II diabetes, are likely to experience an intensification of any itching they may already be suffering from in their feet, legs, hands, arms, etc. This itching is commonly called “diabetic neuropathy”, but it is usually caused more by hypothyroidism, than by diabetes. Taking Iodide tends to intensify the symptoms (itching and numbness) because in counteracting the hypothyroidism, it also restores more normal nerve metabolism. As more normal metabolism is restored, peripheral nerve cells that had been damaged, or nearly killed, from slow metabolism, start reviving. As they revive, they usually keep functioning abnormally for months or even years, and therefore send increasing amounts of abnormal signals to the brain. Those renewed and intensified signals are often experienced as intense itching and/or pains. The only good thing about this is that it occurs because the nerves are still alive, and are starting to get better. As they recover, the nerves eventually start acting more normally, and the pains and itching gradually go away. Unfortunately, the greater the damage going in, the longer and more painful the recovery.
I too had the sensations in the hands and feet, mostly feet, when I first started on Iodoral too. After I had been on for a couple months and was doing great I started getting an electrical shock feeling along the outsides of my feet. A few times it was very painful when I would get the shocking sensation. I also had numbness in my toes for a few weeks as well. It scared me enough to think about quitting, but I never did. It all went away within a couple of months. Have not had any problems since. I also switched to SSKI /magnascent combo around that time, so maybe that helped or was the cause of it going away? Not positive on that one, could have just gone away if I had stayed on the Iodoral as well. I had completely forgotten about the sensations in my feet until reading your post.
Thank-you for this article. I have never done an enema (kinda freaks me out really) but is probably something I should try. I think my liver probably is overloaded. I get really cold after drinking coffee (I know I shouldn't, it's my one vice) and after eating. Maybe liver shuts off conversion of T4 to T3 when it's trying to deal with other stuff? My lymph nodes are always swollen have been since starting iodine.
caffeine in the coffee being a vasoconstrictor might make you more cold. I'm still dealing with the cold thing, as well, and circulatory issues in my legs and feet in particular that may be related to my thyroid, or maybe my sedentary job, or both. Still figuring that out. I'm actually a patient of Dr. Brownstein's.
Also, what are the exact names, dosages, and frequencies of all the nutrients that you are taking?
Please be as specific as possible with details. For example, magnesium alone doesn't say much. If you stated chelated magnesium gluconate at 100 mg each dose, 2 times a day in the morning and evening, then it paints a clearer picture.
From what I've read, Hashimoto's takes a long time to overcome as well.
The article is a good one however is not very reassuring about the use of Iodine with Hashimoto's. In fact, I wondered if some of the neuropathy stuff was my antibodies being stirred up although seems to be common with Iodine supplementation. I am taking 200-400 mg magnesium glycinate daily (any more and I get loose stools), Epsom Salt baths one to two weekly, 500-1000 mg of alive whole food vitamin C (any more and I get loose stools), celtic Sea Salt 1/4 tsp with 1/4 tsp potassium chloride (to avoid water retention and bloating) one to two times daily, selenium 100-200 mcg daily (any more or taken without iodine and I get hypo symptoms immediately ie. brain fog, coldness etc.)
It's easy to quit trying different things when you take health into your own hands, especially when medicine is usually in the business of management rather than cures. Sometimes there are no cures for the problems we do not completely understand or the problems are not responding well to a treatment, whether evidence based or not.
With that said, Hashimoto's response to Iodine is not a guarantee to achieve any expected result. The autoimmunity of Hashimoto's only explains that lymphocytes are attacking the thyroid, but any conclusive explanation as to why lymphocytes are attacking is difficult to diagnose without specialized testing and comprehensive MD. Sometimes it may be due to lack of iodine, but from what I gather it could be a malformation of the thyroid hormone, malfunctioning immune system, infection, toxicity, allergy (autoimmunity?), or nutritional imbalance.
I personally do not have Hashimoto's, but take amino acid L-Tyrosine, Nascent Iodine, and Selenium on a regular basis with whole fresh fruits usually.
Iodine 400mcg 1 time in the AM or after waking.
L-Tyrosine 500mg 1-3 times daily during stress (I work in a hospital's ICU, it works great for stress).
Selenium (ionic) 50mcg with the Iodine 1 time daily.
I also take a liquid multivitamin that contains iodine and selenium already with Vitamins A, Bs, C, D, and E, various minerals like Chromium, and a few other herbs.
The biggest change to my diet is avoiding certain foods and food additives that I think may help you as well, if you already have not started avoiding certain foods or additives.
Some have claimed that avoiding Gluten and/or Casein will reduce the antithyroid peroxidase antibodies. Have you tired that?
I personally avoid partially hydrogenated and hydrogenated oils regardless of source, but will sometimes eat them, rarely. Genetically-Modified foods, pesticides, growth hormones, and the like are everywhere and consider them toxins. Corn is a big one, almost all of corn on the market is Genetically-Modified and added to practically everything, ie. High Fructose Cord Syrup (HFCS). Did I mention that 1/2 the HFCS tested positive for mercury contamination? Did I also mention that it was HFCS tested, not where the HFCS ended up? Food for thought.
According to the bottom reference (please give it a read), some of the possible triggers for Hashimoto's are:
-> Viral, bacterial or Candida infections as a trigger or as a direct cause;
-> Ongoing stress, sufficient to cause adrenal insufficiency that hampers conversion of T4 to T3 and weakens the body’s immune defenses;
-> Pregnancy, which up-regulates the immune system;
-> Trauma, such as surgery or an accident;
-> Nutrient deficiencies, in particular of iodine and/or selenium; and
-> Food borne bacteria, most notably Yersinia enterocolitica, though this is more common outside the U.S. (Shomon, 2001).
SIDE NOTE: Forgot to mention, I take SSKI sometimes as well. When I went on "vacation" and stopped taking any iodine, I got sick on my flights back home. The full story involves me not sleeping the night before, expecting to sleep when I get home. One of my flights was cancelled and all planes grounded during a snow storm for 12 hours. Staying awake at an airport, total of 2 days, screwed up my system and I ended up with a sore, clogged throad, and a deep, hoarse voice for a week. Other typical cold symptoms were few, if any.
I take Iodoral as well, and love it. But I can't take it without additional SSKI. For me, I add 3 drops of Trapper's SSKI per 50 mg Iodoral. I get the sense that iodiNe dredges up gunk that there isn't enough iodiDe in the Iodoral to handle. IodiDe, especially used as SSKI drops, helps liquefy the gunk so my body can dispose of it. Although it depends on the cause of the drippy nose, I've had drips cleared up by "one more" drop of SSKI so often that I now take the drippy nose as an indicator I need more SSKI. It works 9 times out of 10.