Need your advice, especially Pioneer please. I just did another flush and now am in more pain, feels like a water balloon under my ribcage. While I am up and about it does not hurt as much, but at night while laying down it bothers me all through the night. It is an all over pain, so I don't think it is a stone stuck in the bile duct.
Am not on Barefoot's right now. Finished a round of Humaworm three weeks ago. Did not realize so much time went by. Meant to flush right after finishing the round. Going to try to order some Barefoot's, but it is always a $ issue. With this flush I just did, I felt really nauseated and dizzy afterward. Did not feel that way taking Barefoot's prior to a flush, but that was only three or four flushes. Because I felt so sick this time, I am hesitant to do another flush. With my history of hemangiomas, I am wondering if I am doing something bad to my liver. Or, could it be them stretching and pulling loose. Earlier, someone sent me a link to a story about Sandra Cabot, MD (the liver doctor) and said that one of her patients passed a liver hemangioma after following her protocol for quite a long time, I think about six or nine months.
I am getting really discouraged because it has been a year that I have been hurting at night with my liver :( Wondering if this will be something I have to deal with the rest of my life. It did not hurt at all before I started flushing. Wondering if maybe the motherload of stones has not passed. After I do a flush, I don't pass the oil and I only see a few small, bright green soft stones over the next few days. Am I still that congested? I have done a total of eight flushes now, about two weeks apart.
Yes, you may be that congested. I am not Pioneer or Doc, but I have been flushing for almost eighteen months now. My liver didn't hurt when I started either, but after I had been flushing for awhile it started hurting. It stayed pretty intense for about three months and slowly started subsiding. The liver is coming back to life and as the stuff that was blocking it is released, it hurts. It is really hard for some of us to understand and comprehend that the liver was not meant to process solids. All the drugs,bugs and parasites have been walled off by your liver as stones. The stones look a lot like chunks of bowel movement but are different(yes, the little green ones are stones, too). As the majority of them come out, it hurts, it really does. All of the muscles and nerve endings that release from the gallbladder and liver will respond. For me, that meant that I felt things all the way up my neck, down my arms and shoulders, hurt like hell. Barefoot's Liver Gallbladder Balance will help with that a lot. Also,Young Living essential oil blend of Deep Relief helped at night. I would get Barefoot's dewormer and up the dose and stay on it at four or more tablespoons spread out over the day for awhile. You might see more stones come out with that. Your liver is talking to you - it is telling you it is trying to help you live. Keep going, don't stop. Breathe through the pain, it will go away. Use it as your barometer - believe that the pain will go away and watch how it does. From now on as it goes away know that you are getting healthier and healthier.Our bodies are an incredible creation - they heal themselves, especially our liver. But, we have to do our part - that is the clean out. This does work, just slowly. Keep going. Hope that this helps.
Snoopy, from personal experience, I think you need to be taking more Barefoot's dewormer. I never took Humaworm until close to the very end of my journey, here. I don't have good enough experience with it to help you. Barefoot's dewormer is what did it for me. The pain in your liver is probably that you are having so many more stones moving. You've got to do a good job at killing off those parasites. Whatever it takes, you gotta get some more Barefoot's dewormer. I'm getting the gut feeling that you're not taking enough dewormer or doing the flushes as often as you need to.
Once you start this, you need to keep going with adequate dewormer. I had so much liver pain early on, I couldn't get along without Barefoot's liver/galbladder balance, either. CR8iveart will tell you the same thing. That opens up the liver and really really takes away a lot of the pain. The liver pain I had was really awful. Decongestion didn't happen but for about 15 minutes to a half hour with each liver flush--early on with the liver flushes. I didn't know I could do one on top of the other--like every day or every other day when I started all this. That's why I'm saying keep taking ENOUGH of the dewormer and do the flushes closer together. At least 4 TBSP of Barefoot's dewormer a day.
Money is tight. I didn't go anywhwere or do anything. I cut corners big time when I started this. You gotta find a way to get more of the Barefoot stuff.
Use that castor oil pack every night all night with a heating pad over it. Get some old bedding and find some old clothes you don't care about and do it every single night. I did, for a very long time. It made the liver pain bearable. It gets the bugs out of hiding. These are very important things for you to be doing right now. Along with coming back and seeing what we did that helped us.
I got my castor oil from http://www.mountainroseherbs.com.
I used some cotton flannel folded in thirds. Put in the fridge in the daytime so it wouldn't dry out of get rancid. You can use one pack for a whole month before you need to make another one. You body will absorb the castor oil thru your skin. Add more to the pack each night.
If your liver is in tough shape, it will get better. I keep posting that I've got my health back. For the most part, I do, but I am still having some liver problems 27 months after starting this program. I'm still having yeast come down thru that needs to be flushed out as well as still passing a few old stones once in a while.
I did oodles of the Gerson therapy coffee enemas. I had so many stones, I felt I had to. The stones I had in there had to have been in there for a good many years. The coffee enemas opened up my liver enough so I could feel the stones move. I did one 2 hours pre a liver flush and one every day for 3 days post a flush. I know they helped. I felt so much better afterwards. http://www.sawilsons.com
for the ground up, yellow, therapeutic coffee. Don't use the store bought kind. It doesn't work.
Are you able to get the celtc sea salt. Minerals are VERY important.
Snoopy, this can be along trip. You need the Coke flushes, the dewormer, the ultraphos--very important. You also need the natural Standard Process B1 to heal your adrenals and some kind of iodine supplementation. Dulse from mountainrose herbs. We gotta have the basics in place. You'll be all right, but you do have to do what you have to do. Try hard to find a way to get what you need.
Many times I wished we had a way to help the real serious ones like some kind of fund or something. We don't. I'm not financially situated well enough to be able to totally sponsor another person going thru this, but maybe I can send you something that will help. Put a note in my mailbox.
Liver flushes are not bad for the liver. It's the toxins that are floating around that make you feel bad. It's the stones moving and all the toxins in your liver that make you feel bad. The detox phenomenon. That went on for a long time with me. Even the candida will cause that detox reaction.
What I think is that you're not doing enough of all you need to do right now. I have no idea of how congested your liver is. For me, it's going to be quite a while before I am not feeling anything in my liver. Doc says a healthy liver is just there. You don't feel it. No, you don't have to feel liver pain for the rest of your life. It does heal when it's emptied of stuff that has made it sick. This is the only program that will get you there. What I've noticed is the healthier your liver becomes, the more easy it is to feel some of the junk that's congesting it coming down thru to the bottom. I could even feel 3 small stones I got out last flush and that candida junk that that's coming thru it still. My liver itches at times, which is also part of the healing process.
EDIT: About parts of the liver that are not healthy. I am not sure what does happen with a hemangioma. I know the body either gets rid of, or walls off, things (walls off in the rest of the body) things that are making it sick. If it's in the liver, I would expect the liver would expel it. I got out what looked like a scab the size and shape of a liver fluke. It was black, hard, concave in shape, and was pussy on the inside. That must have been where a liver fluke was attached. Whatever is in your liver that isn't healthy should come out. Then it will heal. That's my opinion, anyway.
Thanks CR8 and Pioneer. You are both great at posting responses. It is encouraging to know you have both gone through this and are on the healing side. At times, it is just such a struggle going through this. You all are great support. Wish I had someone in my family that was a believer in this program. We have discussed that before.
Something that is frustrating me is my weight. My mom is living with us for a while, so I do some emotional eating. I have about thirty pounds to lose. My husband and I are trying to reduce carbs. I lost five pounds and then after doing the three days of apple cider, I gained back three pounds. I am trying to just eat lean protein, veggies, fruit and Ezekiel bread, and nuts. Drinking lots of herb tea. Doing supplements for adrenal fatigue (lots of good vitamins, herbs, minerals). Using bioidenticals since I have had a hysterectomy. Wonder about the estrogen - if it affects congestion of the liver?
Have you tried doing the malic acid/phosfood instead of the apple cider? I am wondering if this weight will come off after I get the liver uncongested. Did this happen for you?
I really appreciate you all. Lots of good info. Will try to get Barefoot's again.
They will start believing when they see the changes in you - 1.my eyes are clearer, 2.skin has better color, is smoother, looks like I did years ago, 3.my hair has gotten thicker and stopped falling out, 4.digestion is better, 5.sleep better at night, 6.calmer - no more panic attacks and 7.I am on no medications what so ever. They do notice after awhile;-) - takes awhile though.
I was on the down side - I was losing weight. I am 5'6" and when I started this program, I weighed 119. I knew what my doctor would have said if I had gone back to him at that point. I started this program, instead of going to see him, besides, I had seen him in June and he had said that he was very concerned about my blood count, that he wanted me to go back to my oncologist. That was June. I did what I thought was humaworm parasite stuff, but it was their colon cleanse. I had ordered both and started on the wrong stuff. I ordered Barefoot's dewormer and the ultra phos and did my first flush Aug 13, a year and half ago. Took me six months to get to 142#s. I have stayed at 140 roughly for the last year. You will balance out but it may take some time.
I had a hysterectomy over two years ago. Doc recommends maca root powder but you have to be cleaned out for that to work. All the bugs and parasites, plus the ammonia send the hormones into overdrive - everything will work to try and keep the body in balance. If you feel that your adrenals are burned out, all other hormones are, too. Pituatary will try and replace the missing hormones, but nothing will work the way it should till the liver and colon are clean and functional.The hormones will not be absorbed as well until you are cleaned out. The dirty liver and colon spill out toxins to every organ that they touch - oops!, they touch every organ, except eyes, ears, tongue, mouth and brain. But, the blood travels to all of the rest. The ammonia will speed everything up, progesterone will try and slow things down, the others may not work the way they should till everything is cleaned out.
Liver, first (I am still working on that) and colon, next (I have done several colon cleanses), then, as Doc says, clean and feed. You are still cleaning out. The body can only really concentrate on one thing at a time. You are cleaning. You do need strong nutritionals - good foods, cataplex B, iodine, celtic sea salt, distilled water, protofood/good protein while you are cleaning, like Pioneer said. When it slows down, then, maca root and more of the above with the superfoods to rebuild. I don't know how things will be when everything is working the way it should and whether or not things get to working - I haven't gotten that far. Clean and feed, clean and feed, this program works, just slowly. Keep going. Welcome aboard.
I had a question here about toxins from the colon and liver getting to the brain. The brain does have the blood/brain barrier for some substances, but I'm wondering if some don't get to the brain as we are stirring them up and cleaning out the body junk. The blood does go to the brain thru the internal carotid and vertebral arteries to the Circle of Willis and it's branches, which is the blood supply to the brain. I'm wondering about the eyes and how the parasite "floaters" get there if they're not carried by the blood, too. I know it felt like my brain got rid of more of the drug toxins while I was going thru this program. I think some came OUT years after I got off the drugs as I was cleaning out, I was pretty toxic until I started cleaning out. My liver and colon was very full of toxins when I started the program. I don't know about the mental fog getting worse as I stirred up the toxins. I was too messed up and not thinking very well from the liver pain and colon problems when I started.
Doc, CR8, or others, can you comment? Interesting, curiosity question.
Hi again, Snoopy,
There are many of the poisons or other things that fill the receptor sites on the cells that act like estrogen. Soy is one that does that. Hormones are regulated by the liver, so they may be messed up until you get your colon and liver cleaned out.
For along time before I started this program I couldn't digest the protein very well. Wasn't digesting or assimilating a lot of my food. Cleaning out the colon helped that a lot. I also added regular old pancreatic digestive enzymes and bile salts because I have no gallbladder. It may take a while for the liver to be functioning optimally again.
Losing or gaining weight. When the body is functioning well again, it will normalize your weight according to what's best for you. I lost a lot of fat. Belly fat like the diabetics have. I lost most all of the fat I had anywhere else, too. None left. Went down 5 sizes in clothes. Maybe I lost a little too much there for a while. My appetite was nil for a long time. I just went along with what my body felt was right to do. I seem to be stabilized now after 27 months of doing this. With better exercise and more movement, I expect to see all the belly fat go. Remember your body creates fat for a place to store the poisons. I suppose too much of a good thing for food after you're cleaned out would also add fat. Part of this program is movement to get the lymph and spinal fluid going in order to pump out the poisons.
I wouldn't worry about gaining or losing weight right now. I was up and down and up and down a couple of pounds all thru this. I also kept losing weight up to about a month ago. Lost 30#. Mostly bugs and poisons and colon debris. Try to eat as healthy as you can. I got cravings for specific food thru this. That's not a bad thing. It may be something your body needs right then. Then I went on to find some other food quite satisfying and made me feel good. Veggie juicing helped. I think my body held onto a lot of fluids for a long time in order to dilute and flush out the poisons, too, so don't worry about what your weight looks like right now. You'll be OK. Just keep up with killing off the bugs, drinking enough distilled water--especially after a liver flush, flushing out the liver and all the rest. You're doing all right.
The bioidenticals shouldn't affect the liver. I used the insulin for a long time--tapering it to keep my blood sugar under control until my liver and pancreas started working a little better. I was flushing out the liver all the time, too. Doc said it wouldn't affect the liver much. I don't know how the bioidenticals affect the liver. Aren't they natural substances? Anyone else know more about it?
Snoopy, most people will not even get a clue about what we're doing, how it works or why it works. It's really too bad we have to experience such a headwind while we're trying to get cleaned out and healthy. The reactions I've gotten run anywhere from people laughing at me, teasing me about having bugs (when they're full of them, too, probably) to making fun of all of this program, to making me feel 2 inches high for going against the medical, to making me feel very alone like I live in a different world than the rest of folks. This program saved me from dying. I had to just not pay any attention to the people who gave me a hard time. I knew Doc and many people here understood, so I kept in close contact with the ones who did understand. Now I'm better, I kinda piss people off with being so much more alert, better figure and physique, since my thinking has cleared up and I'm looking much better. I get some looks that say "what did she do to look and act so much better?" It's a lonely road for those who are doing this, so stay in touch with those of us who do understand. You are not alone. Someday more people will understand just what we've been thru, but for now, just stay in the group here that does understand and we'll keep you assured you are not alone.
Thanks Pioneer :-) I am curious about the coffee enemas. I am sensitive to caffeine and food additives. MSG gives me migraines (3 day duration) and caffeine does too. Try to avoid both like the plague. How would the coffee enemas affect me? Did they make you feel like you had a big dose of caffeine? Jittery? Palpitations? That is what caffeine does to me. About twenty years ago, I quit caffeine cold turkey. Was drinking a 2 liter of pop every day and if I didn't have caffeine by noon, I was getting a migraine. Decided to live like that was nonsense, so I quit and spent three days as sick as a horse. I think God has been working on me all my life to show me the truth about bad nutrition and drugs.
I really think I need to expedite the exit of the oil/stones/sludge after the flush. Two days after this last flush I did, I woke with a migraine and felt nauseated badly all day. Never felt sick like that after the others. In fact, after one flush I felt better than I had felt in 20 years. It's weird, but I had a really light feeling the whole next day.
I did an enema (regular)when feeling so sick with the migraine and felt a little better and later a big amount of mucus passed. I am thinking that if I am not getting rid of the toxins VERY soon after the flush, they are just recirculating in my body. I felt toxic.
You've got a lot of toxins floating around. That's going to go on for quite a while. It's the detox phenomena that makes for the up and down rollercoaster ride we go on when we determine to clean our whole body out and get well. Feel lousy like the description you give of the headaches, etc.
Coffee. I quit drinking any coffee years ago. When I started getting sick. I only have a cup once in a while now. It doesn't affect me at all, but I keep it to a minimum.
The coffee enemas aren't like drinking coffee, they're a 2 cup-at-a-time, 1 quart total volume, 15 minute retention enema that stimulates the liver to open up as well as pulls out lots of the toxins. They did make me feel a lot better. I didn't feel any kind of heart palpitations or jitteriness. Just felt like I had gotten rid of a lot of toxins. I am not sure if they give you any stimulation like drinking coffee does. They shouldn't. The possibility exists, but the reason for them is to pull out toxins. I felt a lot better for most of the next day after I did them. Then the rollercoaster started again as I felt the result of the rest of the toxins. I don't know how everyone who has done them has reacted.
MSG used to make me feel terrible. Headaches, mostly. It's a good thing to stay away from. They like to sneak it in food. Sometimes it's in restaurant food, and they tell you it's not. They might not add it, but it's there.
I didn't do any P & B shakes. That's the psyllium and bentonite. Bentonite will absorb some of the toxins, but I consider it's what takes the junk off the colon wall and it needs the Schulze #1 cleanser to go along with it. I did the Schulze colon cleanse when my body said it was time. (a year into this program) The Schulze bowel cleanser has to be done to specifications on the directions. Both the #1 and #2 formulas together. Otherwise, I used the LBB of Barefoot's. A few times I took some activated charcoal after a flush to see how that would work on the toxins. Guess it worked all right. Charcoal absorbs an awful lot of toxins. I didn't keep it up. It was just an experiment. I got that from http://www.abnat.com.
He has the Schulze bowel cleansers at a cheaper price, too.
Psyllium does add fiber, but I think it tends to slow down the digestion. It may absorb some of the toxins. I wanted to get rid of the toxins ASAP, so I decided it wasn't something I was going to use.