I have had some problems for quite some time, finally had my hormones checked and am WAY estrogen dominant in fact had no measureable level of progesterone. I am using a natural hormonal cream with great results although one of my issues is that despite plenty of exercise and eating right for 6 months I have yet to lose 1 pound in fact I have gained a few which could be muscle but STILL!!!! The gal I am working on these issues with suggested I take Iodine, she gave it to me yesterday and told me the normal dose was 4 caps of Iodine 7.5 mg, Iodine USP 5 mg, Potassium 2.4 mg, she told me to start on 2 because I seem to be extremely sensitive to well ANYTHING, well knowing my system I actually took only one to start. Within an hour of taking it, I was driving and I felt briefly like I was in a video game. For the most part I felt OK the rest of the day but woke today very anxious and edgy, I am now having to swallow constantly, have a terrible headache and am sore and achy all over like I have been hit by a bus ( not like I know what that would feel like, just making a point) Any advice, comments or the like would be appreciated. Oh I did not take any today nor do I plan on it any other day, at least not now. I am thinking if I do need it, maybe even a smaller dose than is in the one cap of what I was taking which btw is called i-Throid by RLC Labs. Thanks
Thank you for responding. So this feeling is normal, that is good the hear "I guess" lol My gal is a holistic endogrinologist. She has helped my so much in other ways I do trust her but no she did not give me any companion nutrients. Are there specific companion nutrients or does it vary depending on the person?
Thank you so much, I am usually very on top of research and pros and cons of anything I start, this has really thrown me as she basically told me that if I experienced any side effects I would be the first to do so in her practice, if in fact that is true, it doesn't surprise me but the severity of these symtoms on the low dose I took does surprise me seeing as I took a low dose according to her, even half the low dose she told me to take. Do you know why some people experience these symtoms and others don't?
You're not the first person that's come to this board having been prescribed Iodine by a medical professional without being informed of potential side effects, detox symptoms and the need for companion nutrients...I'm not surprised in the least.
The fact that she told you that " if I experienced any side effects I would be the first to do so in her practice" makes me wonder if you are the first she's prescribed to!
EVERYBODY experiences side effects. The hyper state that you describe is EXTREMELY common. See #5 below:
In my experience, an allergy to inorganic iodine/iodide(Lugol's or Iodoral) is rare...an allergy can take any form, including a rash, fatigue, congestion, headache and a fever. NAET, an acupressure technique, has been useful in some of my patients to help them overcome an allergy to iodine..
2)autoimmune thyroid disease...
Some researchers...believe that autoimmune thyroid problems are caused by iodine intake in excess of the RDA...before the adoption of radioactive iodine to treat the side effects of autoimmune thyroid illnesses, the use of higher doses of iodine was the treatment of choice for these illnesses...
If iodine was the cause of autoimmune thyroid illnesses, these illnesses should have been decreasing over the last 30 years. The opposite has occured. In the U.S., iodine levels have fallen approx. 50% over the last 30 yrs while, at the same time, autoimmune thyroid sdisorders have been rapidly increasing.
3) Detoxification reactions...
If the body's detoxification pathways are overloaded when the toxic halides are being released, a detoxification reaction can be triggered. A detoxification reaction can take the form of fatigue, muscle aches, fever, diarrhea, and brain fog, among others...Though a detoxification reaction to iodine usage is RARE, it has happened...can be minimized with nutritional support, balancing pH, balancing hormonal systems.."
***Here's what Brownstein did for a patient suffering detox symptoms***
this portion is in reference to a patient suffering bromide detox symptoms(fatigue, headaches) on 50 gm. per day iodoral.
"...the iodine was helping her body excrete large amounts of bromide. During a detoxification process, the body's detoxification systems need proper support to ensure the toxic chemicals can be safely released without harming the body's tissues. I told Ellen to take large amounts of Vitamin C- 10,000 mg. per day as vitamin C helps all of the body's detoxification pathways function more effectively. Furthermore, I placed Ellen on 10 gm. of unrefined Sea Salt per day. The unrefined Sea Salt has chloride which can assist in the body's removal of bromine. In addition, the minerals in sea salt help the detoxification process. Ellen was also doing Epsom Salt baths(two cups in a tub of water) twice a week and taking a magnesium supplement(amount not specified)...Unless iodine levels are elevated along with the support of the body's detoxification pathways, the body will be unable to release bromide."
4)Iodine induced hypothyroidism and goiter
"When animals or humans that are iodine deficient are given large doses of iodine, there is a TRANSIENT DECREASE in thyroid hormone production(approx. 26-40 hrs.) until the body reestablishes it's equilibrium with iodine. After that, thyroid levels adjust to normal and signs of hypothyroid do not develop.
The use of iodine in a previously iodine-deficient population may result in a TRANSIENT INCREASE in thyroid hormones...Studies have shown that the increase in thyroid hormones, which could lead to hyperthyroid symptoms(palpitations, nervousness), will gradually decrease. Can be monitored with lab tests & adjustments in dosage.
...results when the dose is too high...results in metallic taste in mouth, increased salivation, sneezing, headache & acne...frontal headache...fever...
adjust dosage!(down) can use chlorophyll tablets to eradicate taste of iodine***(on a personal note, I LIKE the taste of iodine:)).***
There have been some reports in the literature that iodine supplementation can be associated with an increased incidence of thyroid papillary cancer. If iodine usage were the cause of thyroid cancer, then falling iodine levels would be expected to lead to lowered thyroid cancer levels. However, this has not been the case. During the last several decades, when iodine levels have declined, the incidence of thyroid cancer has markedly increased. PERHAPS IODINE DEFICIENCY IS THE CAUSE OF THE ELEVATION IN THYROID CANCERS!!"(emphasis mine)
OK WOW, I had NO idea there was so much to know, I obviously had a pretty good idea I was in for something when all these symtoms appeared. The dark thought thing, WOW I told my husband earlier this afternoon I felt so strange I could do something stupid if I weren't smarter, it was the oddest feeling, it has passed but I have never had problems like that he was shocked when I said that and then when I was reading about some of the symtoms and I showed him we were both like WOW, so the good news is the symptoms seem to be short lived as long as I stop taking it for now, you are right about the doc not knowing much at all, she did say she had only a handful of people that she had given it to but still. She suggested doing a urine test and I think until I do that I won't even consider this protocol for myself, if indeed I do need Iodine I will do plently of research prior, I can only imagine what it would have been like had I taken more as she suggested or worse the 4 caps she says is normal. I am on vacation and picked it up on the way I was anxious to get started as I am at my wits end with working out, personal trainers advice, nutritionists and not 1 pound of weight lost, I have never had a weight problem in my life so it is frustrating, I guess for now I have to feel good about the progress of the hormonal cream and know that my eating habits and workouts are doing something positive for my being
sounds like bromine induced psychosis. the chemists have been working on separating our spirits from our bodies for a long time now. look around and you will see they have done so with resounding success.
OK so after reading through the FAQ page I of course have MANY more questions, I fear that my provider is new to Iodine therapy and although I like and trust her she may not be equipped to deal with my situation as it relays to this.
First off, I feel better today but read that the detox even from one supplentation can last for days?
OK so Bromide??? Do I have more than most maybe? Is is stored in your cells and once you detox you are "better"?
I only took one capsule of 7.5 mg Iodine (from potassium Iodide usp) & 5 mg Iodine USP (from free iodine). Is it likely I helped myself at all by just taking one or is this laughable thinking?
I read the response that states the worse you feel the more you probably need it. I should find a supplement that has a lower dose to start with?
Could bromide be my problem and not iodine at all and this experience just led to that knowledge?
If I were to take another of these caps, would I proably experience similiar symtoms or is the first time the worse? Do you rid your body of any major amount of bromide the first day?
While taking the iodine I read about the supporting nutrients, is there ONE source to get everything I need or is is subjective?
OK these questions are just a few that came up during and after reading the FAQ.
"First off, I feel better today but read that the detox even from one supplentation can last for days?"
-what detox you experience depends on YOU, your history, your health issues. Yes, detox is an ongoing process. I experienced exactly what you described after my very first drop of lugol's.
"OK so Bromide??? Do I have more than most maybe? Is is stored in your cells and once you detox you are "better"?"
-Impossible for any of us to tell you how much bromide you have stored in your tissues. Bromide is everywhere. Easy suggestions to follow...stay away from ALL commercial baked goods. Those can contain brominated flour. Stay away from ALL citrus-flavored soft drinks/sports drinks. Those usually contain brominated vegetable oil. Brominated compounds are used in the manufacture of plastics- that "new car" smell is actually very toxic, for example.
Eat organic. Stay away from ALL processed foods. With estrogen dominance, stay away from ALL commercially raised meat/dairy. Good to keep your intake of any meat or dairy to a minimum.
"I only took one capsule of 7.5 mg Iodine (from potassium Iodide usp) & 5 mg Iodine USP (from free iodine). Is it likely I helped myself at all by just taking one or is this laughable thinking?"
-hmmm. You helped yourself. A little bit. A tiny little bit. Not enough to truly make any difference.
"I read the response that states the worse you feel the more you probably need it. I should find a supplement that has a lower dose to start with?"
-2 schools of thought there. You can start with 1/2 an iodoral and gradually work your way up, that's what I did(with lugol's). Some say that by doing it that way you're taking just enough to stir things up, but not enough to really get the ball rolling. Many have started out at 50mg and done fine, that's what the iodocs routinely prescribe.
"Could bromide be my problem and not iodine at all and this experience just led to that knowledge?"
-bromide, fluoride, mercury, xenoestrogens. Iodine is ESSENTIAL. Did you listen to the audio I linked?
"If I were to take another of these caps, would I proably experience similiar symtoms or is the first time the worse? Do you rid your body of any major amount of bromide the first day?"
-Noone here can tell you exactly how it will go for you. And no, bromide detox takes a while:
Guy Abrahams, MD, on detoxifying the body from unwanted halides:
"Is there a practical and simple way to lower the body's burden of fluoride and bromide? It has been known for sometime now that bromide competes with chloride in the extracellular space and that the total molar concentration of bromide plus chloride remains constant. (8) This concept has been used to decrease extracellular bromide levels by saline loading. However, the presence of bromide in the thyroid gland (9) and the central nervous system (10) suggests that there is another intracellular "pool" of bromide, not responding to chloride. In the thyroid gland, bromide competes with Iodide for uptake, oxydation and organification.
"Therefore, increasing iodide intake should lower bromide levels in the thyroid, preventing and reversing its thyrotoxic and goitrogenic effects. The same applies to fluoride. Galletti and Joyet (12) evaluated the effect of 5-10 mg fluoride on thyroid functions in hyperthyroid patients. Although fluoride inhibited the iodide-concentrating mechanism of the thyroid, fluoride did not accumulate in the thyroid. Based on their radioactive tracer studies, they concluded "Fluorine does not impair the capacity of the gland to synthesize thyroid hormones when there is an abundance of iodide in the blood." Therefore, fluoride toxicity depends on iodide supply."
"Following supplementation with the iodine/iodide preparation, there was a progressive increase in the excretion of fluoride and bromide. With 3 tablets, the 24h excretion of fluoride was 17.5 times baseline level; and for bromide, 18 times baseline level. These high levels persisted even after one month of supplementation at 3 tablets/day, being 15 times baseline level for fluoride, and 16 times for bromide. After one month, the estimated total amount of halide excreted was 24 mg fluoride and 8700mg bromide. It is unlikely that such large amounts of halides came from the thyroid gland. It would seem that the whole body is being detoxified. Orthoiodosupplementation could be used under medical supervision to detoxify the body from unwanted halides in a manner similar to the use of EDTA for the detoxification of heavy metals."
HA! " Orthoiodosupplementation could be used under medical supervision to detoxify the body from unwanted halides in a manner similar to the use of EDTA for the detoxification of heavy metals."
"You're not the first person that's come to this board having been prescribed Iodine by a medical professional without being informed of potential side effects, detox symptoms and the need for companion nutrients...I'm not surprised in the least."
Most MD's are pushovers and couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. In my experience it is habit and custom for average members within that class in the USA to act with neglect for informing patients of side effects, inter alia. Were that statement not true, medical insurance would be cheap and there wouldn't be 750,000 + iatrogenic deaths in the USA per annum. I've never had a single MD inform me of a single potential side effect, while literature for most "products" is replete with warnings. Don't believe it ? Listen to a "drug" commercial. By the way, where have all those commercials gone lately ?
we get so used to being deficient over the years that "normal" feels strange.
the body has to have time to adjust. work with it because is is waaaayyy worth it.
we have found that the more severe the initial reaction to Iodine is, the more it is needed. Iodine is essential for all the hormone receptors in the body to work. once you get past the initial hormone blast then the glands can adjust their output to match your new found efficiency in hormone reception. your estrogen dominance should turn around.
no matter what, make sure you get your selenomethionine, 800mcg to 1200mcg depending on weight and iodine intake.
congrats, you are probably saving your life right now.
I started taking Iodoral a week ago and it has been messed up! I was taking high doses of kelp before and feeling great. I have PCOS and was having more energy for workouts and everything.
THEN iodoral came and man, depression, dark thoughts, tired, unmotivated, hazy/ADD feelings. My home is a mess, I stayed home from work yesterday and Tuesday in the office I looked like I just got back from a wild time in Vegas but really, I went to bed at 9pm.
I have a doctor who I will see on Friday who works with this but i am feeling scared rigt now. I have done all the side supplements and only doing 12.5g at night and felt ok. Well I made the mistake of getting up in the morning yesterday and having a beet juice mix in my juicer (also a powerful detoxifier) and I had to go lay down.
How long is this supposed to last? Did anyone on here make it through a tough detox?
Keep going, rebita! I see it as a sign that your body really needs to get the crap out. You may have to experiment with ways to make it a little less extreme, but don't give up on it.
It's not the Iodoral, per se, that is making you feel bad. It's the bromide that's being kicked up. Of the people I've seen post, and I have only been around a short time, comparatively, detox symptoms are quite common.
What "all" companion supplements have you done? Have you been taking Celtic salt to help the body move the bromide out?
Yes. I have been taking Sea Salt water two times per day and a lot of bentonit clay. The Bentonite clay seems to help the most. I just have to stay motivated to take it otherwise I am in a world of hurt and it's not just the ADD like symptoms and lethargy but the mood issues are what are getting at me the most. :(