Yes Chris. Game, Set and Match. To me that is! This is what the site says about Bird Flu.
The risk from avian influenza is generally low to most people, because the viruses do not usually infect humans.
most deadly of those that have crossed the barrier.
Most cases of H5N1 influenza infection in humans have resulted from contact with infected poultry (e.g., domesticated chicken, ducks, and turkeys) or surfaces contaminated with secretion/excretions from infected birds.
So far, the spread of H5N1 virus from person to person has been limited and has not continued beyond one person.
Nonetheless, because all influenza viruses have the ability to change, scientists are concerned that H5N1 virus one day could be able to infect humans and spread easily from one person to another.
But I win the war: sorry.......WE win the war.
The war of commonsense.
No need to use larger than life letters: this demonstrates an aggressive tendency, when there is no need.
You can quote all you like..........and out of context at that.
Another quote from the very SAME Government website...........
"What's Happening Now?
A PANDEMIC is a global disease outbreak. A flu PANDEMIC occurs when a new influenza virus emerges for which people have little or no immunity and for which there is no vaccine. The disease spreads easily person-to-person, causes serious illness, and can sweep across the country and around the world in very short time. An influenza PANDEMIC may be caused by either swine (pig) or avian (bird) flu viruses".
The talk is of PANDEMICS..............BEFORE it had the possibility or potential in becoming one.
Willow is right: your English comprehension leaves much to be desired.
BTW: Curezone is a large community of like-minded people who believe in EDUCATING Instead of MEDICATING.
Vaccines are medicating and not educating.
I agree Chris. Using giant letters not only demonstrates an aggressive tendency but to me it glaringly indicates the total lack of comprehension of the poster to the subject at hand, therefore he feels the need to use giant letters to gain attention.
It is very sad really when a person doesn't have the ability to comprehend what they read, it must cause much confusion in life. The very fact this poster believes he has won the battle with facts demonstrates how confused he is.
This person has my utmost sympathy.
I see no reason to continue with this it is very apparent like you said we have won the war of commonsense.
The word pandemic doesn't say anything about the deadliness of the virus. Just it's ability to spread consistently. The thing with fighting viruses is that once grows to become a pandemic. It's very hard to fight. You have to have a consistent effort globally. That is why they were worried from the beginning. It's easier to fight a disease when it's only infecting Indonesian Chicken farmers then when a Lawyer from Edinburgh gets it and takes a 777 to USA. Infecting hundreds of people.
My mentor offered a challenge to the Medical profession: to inject him with the rabies virus as he knew that it would have no effect..........they declined.......even though he was prepared to sign a legal affidavit exonerating them from any blame.
To be honest that does make sense. It's not about being arrested by the police and sent to jail. It's about the moral conscience of the doctor. Most doctors would refuse to harm anyone with the exception for those who perform abortion. Even the American doctor Kevorkian killed his patients to help them. Rabies is a very dangerous disease and It makes sense for a doctor to refuse. Most people including doctors frown upon normal healthy people has experiments. For that doctor to have injected your mentor with Rabies he would have broken his oath and probably wouldn't be able to live with him self. If he's anything like my grandfather (who was a vet for the British Army) he probably got into the business because he loved to help people (or animals in my grandads case).
You preach about the effectiveness of vaccines, but I shall tell you this: the Medical Profession with all of their ingenuity/technology and antibiotics/pharmaceuticals cannot even cure a common cold..........nor will they ever be able to: as a cold is a by-product of the body throwing off excess metabolic toxins and other poisons within the system as a final outlet for them.
The problem with the common cold is that it's not a single disease. It's many types of viruses doing the same thing and mutating every single year. A virus is hard to develop a vaccine for but when you got like 99 viruses all doing the same thing every year it's even harder. But there is a vaccine being developed at the moment. I'll chose not to take it because i actually like getting colds. It's become a ritual for me to get a cold every year.
Willows choice not to have vaccines throughout her life is laudable as that is my position; all we have to do is maintain/build a strong immune system achieved by a nutrient-dense diet, with supplemental Vitamin D3 coupled with a toxemic-free body.
Personally I agree on that point. But there comes a point to me when your body just simply can't handle a disease. For example my mum made me hang around with a guy who had a chicken pox when I was kid. I can't do the same thing for the HIV virus.
It is debatable whether anyone will be forced into having vaccinations, we will have to wait and see, but the gun-ho and forcing antics of the FBI and the CIA are well documented against nutraceutical companies for example.
That link you gave me seems to be a bit alarmist. Anyone who gets alarmed by reading that should remember that no one can take away your rights. You fought us in the revolotion to preserve your rights has Englishmen. Those rights got enshrined during the foundation of the nation. No one can take away. But then again I'm not American.
The person who challenged the medical profession was also a Doctor of Medicine.
But why suffer the inconvenience and misery of a cold when you do not have to?
This only shows that your body (like many others) is toxemic, and therefore subject to colds and other maladies.
Colds have nothing to do with viruses except that the person suffering from one has the metabolic environment to support it; if not, then you will never ever experience one.
Regular colds are a safety valve initiated by your body to throw off excess/surplus toxins, but does not eliminate toxemia altogether.
Any virus, including HIV, can only take hold if the environment of the body allows it to; if you are free of toxemia, have a strong immune system from diet/supplementation, and a strong body thru exercise, coupled with judicious sunbathing, and receive adequate rest and sleep, there is no threat at all from ANY disease............ http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020103toxemia/02010301.html
Try telling that to the parents of a boy who was ordered by the American judicial system to undergo conventional chemotherapy-treatment for his cancer, rather than opt for a more successful alternative route; even though the odds of surviving longer than 5 years after chemo' are approx' 3% at best.
I do understand your stance/viewpoint, which is best described as the current medical paradigm of treating disease, and accepted by most as they are an "authority", but one day you may educate yourself to know better than this (as I did, and thousands upon thousands of others already have) and realize the folly of this position.
By the way Bluesteel, I completely agree with everything you said, and I just wanted to give you my support. I don't have the patient to get into this discussion specially because it is not going to lead anywhere and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I have to say that this Conspiracy theory is INSANE. I mean why would the government be out to get us? If one thing they want us in better health so they don't need to give us welfare and we can pay more taxes. And who would be running that operation anyway? The CIA? hahah just thinking about it makes me cringe.
There are a lot of serious diseases that can be prevented with shots, indeed a very very very (I don't know how I can stress this enough) small percentage of people get some bad reactions to the shots, but shots are extremely helpful in preventing you from getting many of the diseases that plagued the pre-modern world. I know that a lot of people in this forum have a hatred for doctors and main stream medicine, and yes doctors sometimes are wrong, and there are many things that conventional wisdom is wrong about as well, but you have to take it as a grain of salt. Main stream medicine is wrong about a great deal of thing, but they are also right about many other, and vaccination is one of them. People here like fasting who like fasting should probably appreciate the workings of a vaccine since the vaccine is nothing, but a modified or weaker version of a disease carrier. What makes the vaccine effective is the ability of your body to produce antibodies to fight off that disease. One part of fighting a disease is creating antibodies so if your body already posses the knowledge of how to produce antibodies your body will be able to fight the disease as soon as it enters your body, therefore the disease will not be able to compromise your body and prevent it from fighting it off as it otherwise would if you hadn't taken the vaccine.
Anyway about fasting and taking the vaccine. I would not recommend fasting. Fasting puts a lot of strain on your body and so does the vaccine. I would fear what the combination of both could do to you.
it seems you have been misinformed about the effectiveness or otherwise of vaccinations.
The reality is that infectious/contagious diseases such as smallpox and so on were mostly eradicated via improvements in the standards of Hygiene and cleanliness, rather than "shots" as Americans refer to them as.
"Smallpox is about as contagious as stumbling over a rock. Dr. Herbert M. Shelton slept in the same bed with his brother while the latter was in the so-called infectious stage with vesicles all over. Yet Dr. Shelton did not develop smallpox"..........Dr. Vivian Virginia Vetrano: long time Hygienist who worked with Dr Shelton.
Quotes on Vaccines and Vaccinations.............
As Doctor Peter Baratosy observed:
"Vaccines are a billion dollar industry, and there are at least a billion good reasons there why it's continued."
I think that it bears repeating again what some doctors, professors, other medical professional and one president have said about vaccines:
"The only safe vaccine is one that is never used." - Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health
"It is a well documented fact that the incidence and mortality from infectious diseases fell by 90% well before any vaccine was even introduced... So [the U.S.] mandated vaccination and it resulted in a three-fold increase in whooping cough..." Dr Viera Scheibner
"The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective" - Dr. Len Horowitz
"Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of what happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human bodies." - A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine
"This is not a rare occurrence. Epidemics in fully vaccinated populations are a rule rather than an exception..." Dr Viera Scheibner
"Our use of vaccines is not based on good science." Dr Archie Kalokerinos
"...[my daughter's] symptoms were intensifying after each vaccine... So I wrote to the governments and got figures..." "I realised there was a lot of information that we were being told... which wasn't true..." Dr Isaac Golden
"Why is it that only since the 40's have autism and brain damage come about? Because this was when immunisation was introduced to a large extent..." Dr Peter Baratosy
"...It was clearly shown that the only people who got smallpox TWICE were the vaccinated... You can be LOADED with antibodies and still get, even DIE from the disease..." Dr Archie Kalokerinos
For us to bombard a newborn baby with a whole battery of vaccines as, in effect, their very first immunologic experience I think is reckless beyond measure. I would say it borders on the criminal. - Dr. Moscowitz
"When the AIDS epidemic started... antibodies, instead of meaning protection, meant that you were doomed. So this concept of antibodies that we were taught is wrong..." Dr Archie Kalokerinos
"Measles had been dying out in Europe, then they started vaccination and it rose again, and the thing that had cured measles was better nutrition programs..." Independant Nurse Practitioner, LISTEN System Practitioner: Pauline Rose
"This concept that vaccinated children are some kind of typhoid Mary is just rubbish. We now have a sicker group of children in the community." Dr Mark Donohoe
"The DEATH RATE from smallpox was actually higher among those who had been vaccinated." Dr. Viera Scheibner, Australia
"It may be that you only get one chance to make one big mistake... because of the number of people vaccinated if you introduce a pathogen... in a route that the body does not have a protection against." Dr Mark Donohoe
"There are some doctors who disparagingly say 'There are some parents who think that just having a healthy child is good enough'. Well the truth is it IS good enough!" Dr Mark Donohoe
"They say openly in the [medical] legal system that if you advise against vaccination the A.M.A. will push to deregister." Medical Doctor: Dr Robyn Cosford
"These are symptoms that if they were seen in a child who had not just been vaccinated, all us doctors would be a little concerned that this child perhaps had a type of viral meningitis. We wouldn't just sit back and say 'That's fine. Take some Panadol and it will go away,' " Medical Doctor: Dr Robyn Cosford
"We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form of anti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunised person contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, it is pretty good evidence that such "protection" is valueless, isn't it? Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed to be immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE ARE QUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the present prestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, its scientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, its well heralded "achievements," we are most assuredly quacks, professing to do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence." Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc.
"I have thought many times of all of the insane things we have advocated in medicine, that is one of the most insane - to insist on the vaccination of children, or anybody else, for the prevention of smallpox when, as a matter of fact, we are never able to prove that vaccination saved one man from smallpox." USA 1937, Dr. William Hay in his address to the Medical Freedom Society on the Lemke bill to abolish compulsory vaccination
"Vaccination is a monstrosity, a misbegotten offspring of error and ignorance; it should have no place in either hygiene or medicine.... Believe not in vaccination, it is a world wide delusion, an unscientific practice, a fatal superstition with consequences measured today by tears and sorrow without end." Charles Rauta, Professor of Hygiene and Material Medical in the University of Perguia, New York Journal of Medicine in July 1899
"Immunization against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself." Professor Ari Zuckerman, a member of the World Health Organization advisory panel on viruses.
"It is now accepted that the risks of routine smallpox vaccination outweigh those of natural infection in Britain." The British medical Journal in January 1976
"I have been saying for some years that the use of live vaccines such as that used from smallpox can activate a dormant infection such as that from AIDS (HIV)." Doctor Robert Gallo a well known AIDS researcher
"When the link between unsafe mercury laden vaccine and autism, ADHA, asthma, allergies and diabetes becomes undeniable, mainstream medicine will be sporting a huge, self inflicted and well deserved black eye. Then will come the billion dollar awards, by enraged juries, to the children and their families. I can't wait". Dr. Rimland MD
"After a careful consideration of the history of vaccination gleaned from an impartial and comprehensive study of vital statistics, and pertinent data from every reliable source, and after an experience derived from having vaccinated 31,000 subjects, I am firmly convinced that vaccination cannot be shown to have any logical relation to the diminution of cases of smallpox. Vaccination does not protect, it actually renders its subjects more susceptible by depressing the vital power and diminishing the natural resistance, and millions of people have died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated" J.W. Hodge MD in his book "The Vaccination Superstition"
"It took over three years of research before we looked at each other and said 'Vaccines are killing babies'." Dr Viera Scheibner
"Inoculations are the true weapons of mass destruction causing an epidemic of GENOCIDE"
- Rebecca Carley, MD Court Qualified Expert in VIDS (Vaccine Induced Diseases)
"Discussing vaccination with a doctor is like discussing vegetarianism with a butcher
- George Bernard Shaw
"Vaccination is a medical procedure that causes permanent and irreversible modification of the immune system"
- "Vaccination - A business based on fear" Dr. G. Buchwald
"Mandatory vaccination is an outrage upon the individual in a land of personal freedom."
D.D. Palmer, the originator of the profession of chiropractic.3
"Unfortunately no. I am very healthy so to do my part, I will save the flu shot for someone who really needs it. I do not want to take away a valuable resource when it might be better served for another person."
- George W. Bush (think he knew something about the mercury in the shots or other dangers of vaccination?)
Your quote cari410..................
"Anyway about fasting and taking the vaccine. I would not recommend fasting. Fasting puts a lot of strain on your body and so does the vaccine. I would fear what the combination of both could do to you".
Fasting does place any strain on the body at all, except for the eliminatory organs which work overtime.
Fasting was and still is known as "the rest-cure", and where the introduction of any vaccine or "poison" would be recognized as such by the body and expelled by it as soon as possible before any harm ensued.
There is no more danger from taking "shots" while fasting than while eating.
Vaccines are "poisons" and should be avoided altogether for the sake of anyones health.
Thank you for your long and very informative posting. I can see some truth in what you say, but I still believe in the efficacy of vaccinations, perhaps one day I wont, but for now I will still hold to what I learned in pre-med bio. Anyway, thank you for sharing that information and for your time. I will definitely take this all in consideration. Also, the reason why I said that it probably was not a good idea to take vaccinations while fasting is that sometimes people develop some reactions to the vaccination (headaches, fatigue and nausea) and in case you are one of those people it might be too much of strain if you are already in middle of healing crisis. So having these two things happen simultaneously might be too much for a someone to handle. I don't think nothing serious will happen, but will definitively be uncomfortable.
Woohoo ,,why would someone support a fasting diet to detoxify also support putting deadly toxins back in their body while doing so! Does common senses and reason come into this picture at all? Look at the ingredients of these deadly vaccines and you will find a protocol to detoxify them! Why do you suppose that is? Time to wake up sheople!