Such as Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium? My alternative doc did a stool analysis that revealed an intestinal dysbiosis, or imbalance of friendly and possibly pathogenic bacteria (the culprit being Citrobacter braakii). He is recommending a probiotic pearl with 20B live cultures, but I'm wondering if idione will kill them given its antibacterial properties.
the Iodine docs find it mentionable that their patients on iodine have little difficulty with dysbiosis. this is on a regular supplement of 50mg up to 100mg, best i can tell from their reports.
it can take a lot of iodine to cause a problem. however, how little is yet to be determined. i recently experienced what i thought was a dysbiosis and stopped all iodine to let the gut repopulate. consider this, though. only a fool would take as much iodine as i was - 3-5 grams a day of KI. i can assure you, though safe in the temporary for hitting a bad systemic infection, it is not sustainable. the only example i have of a sustainable high dose is the one gram a day taken by dr szent-gyorgi.
bottom line, i would stop iodine to address a dysbiosis.
the iodine docs find it mentionable that their patients on iodine have little difficulty with dysbiosis. this is on a regular supplement of 50mg up to 100mg, best i can tell from their reports.
Do you have a reference?
yes, a personal report from someone who recently saw dr brownstein in person.
i would not give that out without corroborating evidence from my own experience and the testimony of others. i dont believe 100mg per day could cause too much difficulty. there has been no evidence of it.
B. Longum and B.Bifidum are two intestinal bacteria which require Yttrium as a termination point of their DNA structure. All others (usually sold as probiotics) use aluminum. The two compete much like the relationship between potassium and chloride if one goes up the other goes down.
EVERY enterocoated pill delivered by your local quack has aluminum in it and apparently NutraSweet is a aluminum deliver device by design...
Those sound like money words. Nothing is more important than money to most of the untervolk. I would conjecture the compensatory remuneration for jabs of jibberish punctilious promulgation is an unconsciounable multiple of the typical hourly rate for a middle manager at a soon-to-be-closed Genetically-Modified dealership.
Imagine an industry that has people who go to such lengths to analyze stool ( I bet they smell it too, shhhh. ) for a living, yet denies the existence of widespread parasites amongst the man-like creations. I wouldnt give a nickel to any health practitioner, except on rare occassion. I wouldn't even take advice off these boards, since most of it being free advice, with some exception, notably this one, is worthless cockamaymee. I don't even read my own writings and I'd never listen to meself. Can you believe you just spent time reading this ?
How is anyone supposed to know which bacteria are, as you write "friendliy"
Have you ever met a friendly bacterium ?
Would you know one if you saw one ?
My enemy's enemy is my friend. Does that make my friend's friend my enemy ? Some in the muddle yeast live by that. A friend of a friend in your gut on iodine, well, lets just say that friends don't let friends not take iodine.
Point is, your question, is pointless. Bottom line, if Iodine were bad, it would have been known 150 years ago, before your great great grandpappy was a twinkle in the eye of your great great great grandpappy.
Well thanks for settin' me straight, Jimbo. I reckon I'll just ignore all them cotton-pickin' words them pointy-head scientists be throwin' about. Shoot, if I can't even pronounce a big ol' word like "orthoiodosupplementation," it can't be any good.
From my experience; Iodine havent killed a single bacteria in my gut; it cant even kill the yeast I use for baking bread; it raises like mad with Iodine in it.
It sort of work the other way round; strenghten your system so the it can take care of fungus, bacteria etc that the body wants out; working together with its companions and a good diet.
I have accused Iodine for all setbacks I have had since I started with it; IO was never the cause; except for starting the detox phase. I havent tried Trapper doses, though!
There are reams of information on the effects of Iodine supplementation on this forum, yet we continue to see the same questions over and over. Is this laziness , not wanting to take the time to read and research. The only way to find out what the effects of Iodine on YOUR body are , is to give it a go and see for yourself.
As for tests, I suffered with low iron and severe anaemia my whole life all 41 years of it. I was having iron injections every 3-4 weeks and still couldn't manage to keep my iron levels normal. After iodine supps for 5 months I have not had a single iron injection, my iron levels and liver ferritin levels are right smack bang in the normal range. Any gut problems I had before iodine supps have gone. I am no longer having any problems with over production of insulin and hyperglycemia. My blood pressure is normal, my hormones are finally starting to balance out and I feel fantastic.
If iodine is killing a few bacteria, who cares, the benefits in my case completely outweigh the fact that I need to eat yogurt daily. I am well today because I stopped faffing about with tests and doctors and took control of my own health. Thats what this forum is all about, taking control, no-one is gonna tell you what to do, thats something you need to figure out all by yourself.
Right. Next time I'll know that the "Iodine support" forum means "Figure it out on your own because I'd rather talk about myself whether it's related to your question or not" forum. Thanks for the friendly welcome.
Support doesn't mean telling you what you should do, its about sharing experiences about Iodine supplementation, doing a quick search through the forum to find out what has already been asked and answered takes very little time. We would all be interested in your experiences of how supplementing has effected you. We are not Iodine doctors on this forum just other human beings sharing experience and knowledge, you can do with that what you will. No-one was intentionally being unfriendly and I'm sorry if my post came accross that way.
Much of what we do here is figuring it out for yourself, and then sharing what you did and the effects that it has.
I was merely sharing some of my own experiences with iodine supplementing, and unfortunately to share this I need to talk about me, as I don't speak for anyone else.
The three most educating weeks I ever had was when I went through the old posts here in the forum; starting page one.
It is a treasure chest of good info.
Questions asked are often answered with totally different views on the matter. I have simply tried the ones that appealed most to me and my "truth"; with success.
Love your posts, Spud!
thank you Gina, I was the same when I first started iodine, I read solidly for a month, this forum and other websites, library books , even got out the chemistry and biology books to check a few things. I found the experiences of the people on this forum to be very usefull in my own journey to health, and am very grateful that people did post what was happening to them. The search button at the top of the page is a gem.
people are hugely supported here. the problem is that the paradigm shift is too great for some. i for one get tired of being asked questions and people not liking the answers or ignoring them.
we are not here to educate, we are here to facilitate. its all personal responsibility. the curezone motto is "educating instead of medicating." you cant educate someone against their will. this education must be actively sought for it to have any lasting benefit. it is 99% DIY. we are here for the other 1%, if need be.
Your original question caught my eye, because I have wondered the same thing myself. I have read and re-read all the R, RR and RRR posts here and still don't know all the answers. So when you received a not too supportive reply, I was disappointed. It so easily could have been me who asked. And a reply like that would have turned me off, too. Please don't give up on this forum. You will also receive more patient, informative replies, as I know from experience.
"Give it a go and see for yourself"? Like, wait until my good bacteria is destroyed, if indeed that does happen, and then I'm really messed up?
To cover all bases, I take a good probiotic supplement and eat a generous serving of fresh sauerkraut with every meal. If I'm losing good bacteria, I am also continually replenishing it.
There were plenty of supportive replys to the original post, none of us here have all the answers, and the only way we can find out is to do the research, and experiment with our own bodies to see what happens, then form our opinions and answers from what we do and learn. I love reading others ideas about Iodine supping , and what it has done for them, but that is what they are, ideas and opinions. To get answers I needed to 'give it a go and see for myself'. That is taking responsibility. If it all goes south then I only have myself to blame.