I read that you’re not supposed to stimulate your thyroid if your adrenals are weak . I’d always thought that the symptoms and treatments for hypothyroid and adrenal fatigue are pretty much the same. And, if you have one, most likely you have the other. Now, I’m totally confused…. Come to think of it, wouldn’t anyone battling with any chronic illness eventually get adrenal fatigue? And, the treatment for mild and moderate adrenal fatigue is to just mega-dose Vitamin C which most people are taking anyways.
I’ve never done any adrenal testing other than measuring cortisol level and DHEA. They were fine according to my MD. Although, I have all the symptoms of adrenal fatigue according to Dr. Wilson’s Adrenal Fatigue Book. I also have a lot of symptoms of hypothyroid. My M.D. thinks otherwise. He says that TSH of 1.18 is not hypothyroid. Although, one month ago, my TSH reading was 0.7 (whopping 0.5 jump!) and it has been 0.6 for years.
Anyways, I’ve been taking 225mcg of Iodine in the form of kelp twice a day for the past week. Should I stop and treat my adrenal first (i.e. mega dose of Vitamin C) until I’m free of all the symptoms, then proceed to treat my thyroid?
that's interesting about the high doses of vitamin c helping your adrenals. i have been taking a lot of c during the last 3 months (and i do occasional vitamin c flushes - and my bowel tolerance level has decreased from 32grams to 20grams) but i haven't really noticed any significant change to my adrenals yet (i have wilson's syndrome: high reverse t3 levels, wacked-out cortisol levels).
on your travels, have you heard anything about mainlining vitamin c? it has been suggested to me a few times and lately i've been considering it - as an adjunct to Iodine supplementation. layne beachley (the australian women's surfing champion) had cfs and underwent intravenous vitamin c treatments and swears by them.
i am on Lugols at the moment - about 20-30 drops a day - and i feel better on high doses but it still gives me insomnia. i also still have ridiculous fluid retention - everywhere.
i'd be really interested in your advice.
If I understand the chemistry of Vitamin C correctly, the C content of the blood is very tightly controlled. It leaves blood stream relatively quickly and is used or stores in various glands. I believe the Liver and the Adrenals concentrate it the most.
Intravenous C, I've heard, is incredible for cancer. It wouldn't increase blood concentrations much higher than oral doses for very long, but you might get glands and organs full of it quicker.
Oral doses of 2-3 grams every 4 hours seems to do the trick for me. Pure ascorbic acid, not anything else.
Lower doses and my adrenals begin to get sick again. Anything higher and my tongue tells me. Doses higher than 2.5grams in one serving taste terribe. 2.5 and under taste REALLY good.
I would take as much as your tongue tells you to at one time every 4 hours.
thanks so much puppetmaster!
i am taking vitamin c - ascorbic acid - which also has hesperidin complex (which also has homeopathic ingredients: ferrum mettallicum, manganum metallicum, zincum metallicum, selenium metallicum). my problem with high doses of vitamin c is that it makes me really bloated and increases fluid retention. it could be the homeopathic component. does your ascorbic acid also contain calcium ascorbate? i have been having problems finding a product without the calcium ascorbate.
i'll try again to find plain ol' ascorbic acid and see how i go with it for a few weeks. i'll ring around a few places. otherwise, i may still consider the intravenous drip - since it bypasses the digestive system and goes directly to the body cells and tissues via the blood. (sometimes they also add b vitamins, b12, magnesium, essential minerals, glutathione and n acetyl cysteine to the drip). i have been having major problems with absorption and utilisation of vitamins and minerals - which is maybe why i am puffy and holding so much fluid. hmmm. who knows?!
thanks again puppetmaster - good health to ya!
i'm in australia. i just found some ascorbic acid called 'oxymin' online. i don't know why it is so hard to get without calcium ascorbate - it could be some strange law we have (like you can't buy potassium by itself here, only as part of a formula - go figure!)
i do space my doses out - i take it about 3 or 4 times a day, usually about 2-3 grams at a time. i'm not sure why it makes me bloated - unless it is just the formula that is too hard for my body to digest? hmmm.
i think i am going to do another Liver Flush then a short water fast (like 7 days or so) next week because i am bloating and holding so much fluid at the moment - all over my body. i can't say i'm excited - but i don't know anything else that works. and then i can look at my healing protocol again.
I've been battling geographic tongue (ulcers on tongue) for years. It comes and goes. I was told that it has something to do with yeast overgrown, stress and low B12 etc. It got much better after I started eating more raw and fresh food and less processed food. Once in a while when I slipped, I'll get a small ulcer, but it'll clear up in a couple of days as soon as I stop the bad food.
Couple weeks ago, I started taking 50mg of Iron along with 120mg of Vitamin C. After 3 days, my tongue went out of control. I have stopped the Iron, and continue to take and up my Vitamin C to 1g/day. My tongue has gotten better, but not completely back to a healthy state. I wonder if it has something to do with the Vitamin C.
What happens, is the Vitamin C tastes REALLY REALLY good when you need it the most. If you put just enough C (for me it's 2 grams every 4 hours) in a glass of water it tastes amazing. If you put too much in it, it tastes awful. I'm not sure how this works. I think it has something to do with the amount of the acid locking into the receptors on your taste buds.
Although, there was one time I tried to take vitamin C sublingually.
Yeah. I'll never ever do that again, because it burned horribly.
>>I read that you’re not supposed to stimulate your thyroid if your adrenals are weak
I have found this to be true in my case. I guess it could depend on the level of adrenal fatigue you have but anything that boosts my thyroid causes my adrenals to crash... Mine are in bad shape though. Sometimes megadoses of Vitamin C aren't enough.
One of the best posts/recommendations I've read regarding adrenals is here (Ties in adrenals with digestion):
A low TSH is usually more indicative of hyperthyroid as opposed to hypo. So maybe if your swinging from hypo to hyper you might want to test for antibodies as it is possible you might have hashi's. Also if your doctor tested your adrenals w/ a blood test in my opinion this can be useless for the simple reason that the ranges in the blood tests won't detect adrenal fatigue unless you are producing no cortisol at an addison's level or are producing way to much which is seen in cushing's. Saliva is the best way to go IMO.
Speaking from experience and having pretty sever AF and hashimoto's I can say that Iodine has really helped my adrenals and thyroid in many regards. It gets the hormones and endocrine system communicating better in general.
However it does depends on the dosage, preparation of iodine, and the supportive companion nutrients you use. When I tried larger (or smaller doses for that matter) of Lugols I felt really exhausted. Since I've been using magnascent and Trapper's SSKI I feel alot has been possible in my life that wasen't previous. I can still feel a detox at higher doses of both but I am only using those higher doses for my own personal experimentation.
the thyroid uses KI so the SSKI is perfect. selenium. get your 800mcg of selenium if youre going to do large doses(more than RDA). in fact, even non-iodiners should take Se too. ah, shucks, everybody should take both. they are my only daily supplements.
Would you provide a link to the composition and the buying information of SSKI ? I thought you're an advocate of whole food, esp. after such extensive effort to promote kelp (http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1349475#i).
You were also promoting Magnascent in another thread (http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1346287#i).
I guess I'm back to my previous question - what are the pros and cons of these different versions of iodine? It appears that Idoral, Lugol are for more severe cases. Kelp and SSKI for maintainence, and magnascent for occasional boost?
the body needs both Iodine and iodide. most people here have used Lugols in order to provide both in one supplement. i am convinced that Lugols is too high in percentage of I2 in order to get the benefit of the KI in it. IOW, with lugols you can get all the I2 you need but may be cutting the KI short. and if one wanted more KI to deal with an infection or something, lugols is limiting due to the high I2(or low KI, depending on your POV.)
iodine is THE mineral that convinced me to supplement beyond diet.
great post 333333, thanks!
i am feeling a bit stuck on Lugols - i love the higher doses but it can still cause big-time insomnia (like no sleep for 56 hours kinda thing) and then i feel exhausted for days afterwards. that's my only real symptom (apart from heinous fluid retention/puffiness and - recently - pneumatic breasts).
i've been asking trapper about shipping SSKI to australia. in the meantime, i might try adding magnescent to my Lugols regimen.
thank you! interesting...
Hi l*u*l*u*- what do you mean by "wacked out" cortisol levels- real high or real low. Because if your cortisol is on the high end you will have more cushing's type syndrome w/ a puffy moon face and general puffy looking appearence all over. Also around C7 the most prominent buldging vertebra in your neck you would have fluid build up.
hey 333333 ~
my cortisol levels are all over the place - low or virtually non-existent when they are meant to be high - and vice versa. and i have high reverse-t3 levels. my tsh, t3 and t4 are 'normal' although i have symptoms of both hyper- and hypo- thyroid. my blood pressure is perfect. so it's not cushings.
i have had severe puffy/fluid retention for about 3 years, which is exacerbated by movement. i got rid of most of it through fasting but now it is pretty bad again. the puffiness is migatory: sometimes i hold fluid in my legs or my arms or my hips or my hands or my feet - nowhere is exempt! - but now it's getting really uncomfortable. it also makes me feel really congested and tired and bleh. i'm thinking about fasting again - and it is a weary thought ;( - but i haven't found anything else that works.
i don't know why i've gotten puffy again - i'm just over 3 months into my Lugols supplementation - it could be the heatwave we've had for the past 3 weeks or the anti-inflammatory injections i had for a frozen neck. it's hard to know for sure... but i do know that i can't do too much about my healing regimen until the puffiness subsides - but i think it will probably involve SSKI , magnescent and pure ascorbic acid.
sheesh, when i get this thing licked once and for all, i might start my own puffy forum ;)
I am also hypothyroid and a site called stopthethyroidmadness.com helped me realize I might have adrenal concerns even if the blood test said I was fine.
I found a doctor who would give me a urine test for adrenals and sure enough there was a deficiency. While I was waiting I took Isocort, available on the web, but now take Hydrocortisone. You don't usually have to take them forever, just until your adrenals heal.