Need info on what the open and closed methods involve. I am thinking of having it done here in town and there are 2 places that do colon hydrotherapy. One place uses the open method and one place uses the "Wood" method. Not sure what either is.......
The first high colonic I had was on a Libbe open system. This is a fiberglass table with a cut out in the middle. The speculem comes through the hole. There is a ventilation system so there is no odor. Do a search on Libbe and you'll see what the table looks like.
My second high colonic was on a closed Detolo system. This system uses a much larger speculim and the water tube and waste tube combine at the speculem which has a one way valve to keep the waste and water from mixing. The main difference is the size of the speculem. Do a search on Detolo to see what a closed system looks like.
The main difference to me is the speculem size. I prefer the open system with the small one. Some people say the closed system works better. Try both and you be the judge.
Hi legalfee, and thank you for posting your experiences with both types of colon hydrotherapy systems. In my practice I use a closed system which I personally believe offers a more comfortable and thorough cleanse than the Libbe or other open systems.
The Hydrosan unit pictured is a closed system and the waste flow exits through the lighted observation tube, allowing the therapist to inspect and observe parasites, undigested food etc. Various speculums are also pictured to give you a sense of what is introduced into your rectum for a closed system colonic. Dotolo also makes a top of the line high quality closed colonic system.
Speculums today are primarily plastic disposables with an adult diameter of 0.60 to 0.65 inches, although I also have an adult 0.75 inch stainless steel speculum, and a 0.50 inch child speculum which I sterilize in an autoclave unit.
I will admit that speculum insertion is sometimes the most traumatic part of the experience, especially for the first-timer, but any minor discomfort only lasts for a few seconds at the most. Both the speculum and client's anus are thoroughly lubricated prior to insertion.
The primary advantage of the larger speculum as compared to the pencil-thin enema type tube used by most open systems is during elimination. With the closed system the waste matter flows out through the speculum, through the lighted observation tube, and then directly to the piping of the plumbing system.
With the open system the client eliminates around the rectal tube with the tube still in place. This can be especially ineffective with a constipated client with large hardened stools, but also inconvenient and messy in general.
Don't be afraid to ask lots of questions up front when you are considering a therapist for a colonic. A good therapist will be eager to explain the procedures and equipment used and welcome your questions.
I hope this helped, and I encourage and believe that periodic colonics, using either closed or open systems are a valuable health maintenance procedure, as are old fashioned home cleansing enemas. You can't be in tip-top condition when you have a colon clogged with waste!
I have had many, many, MANY colonics over the years and could be the poster girl. I think they are a gift to those of us smart enough to ghave them. I don't have a particular problem with regard to constipation, my experience has been that my general health is better and I get sick far less often than I did before I started. I've had them open and closed (I've had about 10x more closed than open, though that may change now.) I've had them from many different therapists, with disposable parts, metal parts that got autoclaved, hoses and specula of different sizes and type. Here's what I think:
With a good colon therapist such as yourself, I got great releases as long as my diet was reasonable and I took my probiotics regularly. Because I have a hemorrhoid, the wider specula were not particularly comfortable and the administering therapist had to be careful upon insertion, which I found to be initially uncomfortable (as you mentioned). The problem I felt with the closed method, even with the larger hoses, is that many times, what I was expelling was too large for the hose and I had to get off the table and release on the toilet. It didn't happen all the time, many times I was on the table from beginning to end. But it did happen. There were also times that were uncomfortable because the desire to push was really strong and I couldn't or I'd push the speculum and hose right out (it actually happened once or twice.)
A while back, I got a Groupon offer for a colonic from a new place. Since it was really inexpensive, I decided to give it a try. It so happened that they used the Libbe method, an open system with a smaller speculum. When I saw the set up, I was glad that I hadn't paid much and figured that I had nothing to lose but was sure it couldn't be nearly as effective as the closed ones I'd had previously. I couldn't have been more wrong. First, the speculum was far more comfortable for me. Second, since the design is to fill and push to move the waste out, the hose stays in place and the issue of pushing it out is non-existent. (That was really big for me!) In each one I've had, that one and since, I've had just as many releases if not more than with closed, which was my initial concern. I felt as good afterward as I ever had with a closed colonic. It was after that initial experience that I started doing more of the closed and have had exactly the same health results.
There is one good reason I would recommend closed colonics for those who have either never had one or have one had one once o twice. For an open colonic, you are pretty much left on your own. They tell you to wait until you feel the urge and then push, but for someone who is new,the instructions they give may not be enough information. Having had so many, I know the drill and was able to do what I needed to do, making sure the colonic was effective.
My wrap up: colonics are a really good thing, open or closed. I personally like the open ones better as I find them more comfortable. I recommend closed colonics for newbies until they know their bodies and how to make the open colonic work well for them.
With a closed system the water enters the colon machine directly from the plumbing system to be purified and pressure regulated, and the evacuated waste matter exits directly from the the client's colon to the waste portion of the office plumbing.
At no time does the inflow or outflow come in contact with the air.
In contrast, an open system is more like an enema, where a container is filled, often via a tube connected from the sink and introduced into the client's colon by a pencil thin rectal tube. When the client eliminates, the waste matter is often directed to the toilet through an opening in the board or table where they received the colonic.
I think it's fair to say that a series of enemas can produce results equivalent to those achieved from an open system colonic.
I'll elaborate some more in a reply to the one preceding mine.
An open system would be like a colema. The unit I have is the Ultimate Trends deluxe unit. This type of open unit is generally used by individuals in the privacy of their own home. These systems all generally include a board with a dome on one end, tubing and tips, some also include a fully plumbed solution container. The board is placed with the domed end on the toilet and the other on a household chari. The five gallon solution container must be elevated to allow for gravity to get the solution flowing. According to Dr. Bernard Jensen , 72 inches (plant hook in a stud in the ceiling)is the height to allow for right amount of gravity pressure for the solution flow. You then lay on the board with a pillow, insert the tip and relax. The unit is made in a way that makes it so you do not have to take the tip out to expell, you just do so and everything drops from you into the toilet, hense "Open System". The fact that the waste matter leaves the body and drops in to the toilet is what makes it an open system. An open system could also be called a gravity system because the flow of solution is controled by gravity rather some kind of pressure regulator. Colenz is a new professional unit on the market that encompasses the open system, but is hooked to the plumbing so temperature and pressure can be easily regulated with no need for a hanging solution container.
If you want to see a non professional open system, search on ebay for "colonic"
A closed system's tip includes an evacuation tube so that the BM leaves the body enclosed in the tube then on to the sewage plumbing. The waste goes from your body into the inserted tip then on through the plumbing. Because the tip must accommodate solids leaving the body, it tends to be large. This can be uncomfortable to insert with some short term discomfort after cleanse. With the closed system, inflow and out flow, temperature, and pressure are usually regulated by a practioner.
The majority of practitioners use a closed system. The closed colonic systems are FDA medical device class II's. FDA regulations now require Dr.'s supervision over medical device class II colonic system. Many clinics do not have an MD on staff and are finding the need for professional open systems like the Colenz mentioned above.
The Colenz professional open system is considered a Class I medical device and does not require a prescription or a doctors supervision.
There is no way on this earth that I could have eliminated what came out of me through the 3/4" tube of aa closed system. I was fortunate to have found the Open LIBBE Colon Hydrotherapy system.
Here is my story.
I had been severely constipated for over 10 years and became quit impacted this year. I suffer from IBS and a very slow peristalsis after an injury that damaged my Vegas Nerve in 1991.
In April, 2010, my doctor was unable to hear any bowel sounds at all. No matter what we had been doing. We had no success. Enemas, twice a day, fiber and stool softeners, supplements, you name it. I was facing surgery.
I had three weeks before my pre-surgery scope, and I felt like I just wanted to die, literally. I told my mother how I felt and she said, "I think you should try colonics. I don't belive in colonics, but I think you should try it."
I felt that I had nothing to loose so I checked around for Colon Hydrotherapy in my local area. I found Mia, at the Whole Body Cleanse Center. She was the first one to call me back so I went to see her. She had the Libbe Open system.
It took 14 sessions of 45 min each to completely break up my impaction. I went every day except Sunday for 2 1/2 weeks, since I only had 3 weeks before the surgery. I was desperate and willing to do anything.
Not only did I pass the stuff I needed to in order to avoid surgery, but some of it was about 2" wide. "Yeouch!" (I would not have been able to pass half of what I passed through a closed system).
But, the most exciting news is that my energy shot through the roof. I went from being sick, fatigued and weak for the past 10+ years, to full of energy and able to work full time for the first time. And in just 2 weeks! It was unbelievable.
I will tell you, that during most of the sessions I was in terrible pain and nauseated. And one day a "toxic load" broke loose and I felt like I had been poisoned. (A toxic load is when a pocket of bowel breaks loose releasing and excessive build up of toxins into your system). The next session instantly relieved the symptoms. I didn't quit. I didn't give up. No matter how rough it got. I didn't give up. Something inside of me told me that I needed to continue if I wanted a chance to avoid surgery.
Mia told me that most people give up when they get sick or get much pain. But, that is when they most need to be patient, persistent, and continue. Don't give up, because it is so worth it in the long run. I will continue colonics every couple weeks probably for the rest of my life due to low peristalsis and IBS.
I spoke with a colonics specialist that uses a closed system and she confirmed that If you need to eliminate anything larger than 3/4" then it won't fit through a closed system tube.
I went for my pre-surgery scope on April 29th, 2010. The surgeon was able to tell me that we were not going to be doing surgery. That everything looks really good now. The tissues look good. My bowel sounds were really good. I broke into tears and hugged him right there in the office. I cried through out the day. I couldn't believe it. I had been so scared because I felt that surgery was ultimately going to make things worse. Slow my peristalsis even more.
I wish everyone out there success and remember that love comes out of happy hearts.
kaylight, thank you so much for sharing your personal story with us, it is truly inspiring! You were indeed fortunate to find someone like Mia to help you.
While I personally use a closed system in my practice, I have received colonics from gravity flow open systems in the past and have posted here previously that you can achieve a good cleanse from either. I believe the most important factor that contributes to a successful cleanse is the skill, experience and motivation of the therapist.
You obviously found one with those attributes who spared you from the ordeal and dangers of surgery in bringing you back to good health.
Hi kaylight, just so others reading this thread who are suffering from severe constipation and fecal impactions don't come to the conclusion that there is no relief for them in seeking colonic hydrotherapy from a therapist using a closed system, I'd like to explain how I treat such cases.
If they are at home and calling to schedule an appointment I recommend that they go to their pharmacy and purchase one or preferably two Fleet Mineral Oil disposable enema units and try to retain them for at least an hour while lying down. Overnight is even better.
But Oil Enema s can be be messy and leak, so put a pad under their bottom, or even wear an adult diaper if trying to retain it overnight.
The next morning when they come in for their session I start with a soapsuds enema to see if that can stimulate a bowel movement. If not, then the next step is something neither the client nor the therapist looks forward to: digital breakup of the impaction followed by another enema.
By this time enough stool has usually been evacuated that we can start the colonic, and no matter how impacted the client was upon arrival, the waste matter has usually been softened and broken up sufficiently that a satisfactory, if not thorough, cleanse can be achieved.
This is facilitated by abdominal massage during release cycles to break up impacted waste, and the therapist pinching the release tube on and off to further facilitate the outflow of waste matter.
Here's a picture of a client receiving abdominal massage during a gravity flow colonic followed by one where the therapist is pinching the outflow tube causing pulsations that help to break up larger pieces of waste and allow them to pass.
The message I'd like to get across is that colon hydrotherapy, no matter whether using a home colonic board or a professional therapist using an open or closed system, can provide an effective cleanse of your large intestine from rectum to cecum.
Not usually in a single session, but with a series of colonics that can offer substantial health benefits and a sense of well being.
Thank you for your insight. I have met and spoke with two other closed system specialists and neither of them appear to have the skill and confidence in the closed system as you do. I am glad to hear how you know how and what to do to assist in these matters. One of them told me that If I had anything large to pass they would take me off the speculum and put a bucket under me. How disgusting that sounded. You are on in a few who can care for this type of impaction. Boy I can tell you that fleet enemas did nothing but move about 4" of impacted fecal. My medical doctor had me doing them twice a day and I was getting the clear water out after the first couple days yet I persisted for 3 weeks prior to the colonics. I get a real feel from you that you are special and can help people under these circumstances. So I am glad to know this. I did have massages but they did not seem to be very helpful. the one thing that helped me the most was putting Castor Oil packs on my stomach and going to the hot tub prior to the session. Have you tried that with your patients? I have thought of becoming a colonics specialist. But after checking into the price for the Libbe system I felt discouraged.