I guess scientific evidence to me is the stuff you do in a lab. Sort of doing an experiment to see how something reacts to something else. My favourite subject has always been biology and how the body works.
It frustrates me that the effects of water fasting have not been studied properly. I guess if I searched for topics independently such as detoxing the blood and cells and ketosis etc then I could put it all together as an analysis of water fasting (which of course I'm not qualified to do). But I would like to see it all in one place in a big fat book written by someone in the 21st century. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. And probably the only people to benefit financially would be those in the distilled water trade. And it would lower health care costs of people who would become healthier from water fasting of course.
I'm not against nature. I just like to know how it all works and scientists are good at doing stuff in petrie dishes!
I think the consultant overseeing my case passed away in recent years, or so I heard and where my medical records are apparently subjected to a confidentiality clause, as are everyone elses medical records within the United Kingdom.
This occurred over thirty years ago, and I have never bothered to investigate any of my personal medical records or seen the need to.
If you can find out anything at all, it will be from the Boston Pilgrim Hospital in Lincolnshire, United Kingdom.
Must you be so utterly nasty? You keep mentioning in just about every post that you don't mean to cause trouble but you continue to do so and I think you know exactly what you're doing! Its quite obvious you have a personal beef with Chris, you can't get to him on the water fasting subject because he is so well versed on that so you continue to make your posts about the Webmasters posts and the TOS. You continue to post about this even after Chris asked you to reply to him via email.
This post is not to defend Chris, in my opinion he doesn't need defending. This post is to ask you respectfully to stop the nonsense and quit posting such things. You are a trouble maker and we all know it so why don't you just quit!
You are better suited to the personal conflict forum.
better to simply be a good contributor (as you, Chris, always were)and bow out
of the moderating.(imv Let the Webmaster assign (or not!) someone who's willing
to be anonymous: a wise and sensible state that has been seen to be the preferred choice, after years of witnessing human nature unfold.
Chiron, I respect you and value your posts; however, on this one issue I have to respectfully disagree.
When Steve & Chris were appointed as moderators, the vast majority of the frequent posters were delighted with this info - who better to moderate the forum to ensure proper information was going out about water fasting than the 2 who have so openly given of their time and advice and are living examples of the benefits of water fasting.
It was not until the recent attacks by 2 members of this forum on Chris that this even became an issue. The hard cold truth is that according to CZ rules, they have intentionally argued with a moderator and as such are subject to banning because such activity disrupts the forum.
Please Chris don't leave. I can understand if you don't want to be a moderator anymore. I must be very hard for you at times, but we value your presence here. I know that CZ would not be the same without you.
Please Please..(sorry for the seemingly begging. :o( ) stay!
sacristia, exactly. they should know they are appreciated. these two guys are very kind, to all of us. both have gone well beyond the call of duty to help and educate people with questions and/or problems. i'll say it again, good job guys !
I don't find Jay annoying or childish. I find it refreshing from the stuffy norm that people get caught up to living day after day.
I always speak my mind and stand up for what I belive in. Fasting is a hard thing to do. It takes self control, and a strong will to do what we do. It is never easy and during fasts, people's emotions run high and low as their bodies are cleaning itself out. Fasting is a very mental, emotional and physical thing, all three things that are hard for any person to deal with at one time, let alone for days and sometimes weeks at a time.
And there are always beening moderators and disputes and disagreements in the Water Fasting forum. I have been coming here for years and I have seen it all. And most of the time I just take it with a grain of salt. Because to allow somethings get to a person, then they are allowing the clouds to block the sunshine in their lives. But sometimes during a fast it is much harder.
It is always hard for me to deal with critisim especially during a fast, because all my defenses for the mental and emotional part of me are down and repairing themselves and reseting themselves. What I hear sometimes during a fast can hurt or harm me. I failed my last fast a couple weeks ago, because I got bummed out due to a comment made to me here on this website. I can only imagine how other feel when someone gets a bit too critical during their path on fasting.
Please for the sake of others, refrain from sharp critical comments that hurt more then lift a person up during their struggle with their fast. Words can hurt very deeply at times.
We try to all treat each other as we would want to be treated ourselves. I know at times during peak fasting times, emotions run high and can cause people to say things that are not really meant.
I am not trying to take sides or start fights. I am just saying that what you say to Jay, not only affects him, but it affects me as well, because I read it. And being a sensitive person, I am I am hurt. I hurt for both parties. For Jay because his jovial attitude was be clouded by such comment and for you because feel you are unhappy and hurt. I don't like to see people hurt. It hurts me to see people hurting.
I hope my comment didn't stir up problems. I didn't wish it to do so, if it does. I appoligize with all of my heart, if it has.
My fast is hard on me at times and I feel at turmoil at times, and such comments add to my turmoil. I am so very sorry.
That was really nice, everything you just said. I honestly believe you are a unselfish sensitive person with nothing but well wishes to anyone.
But, after its all said and done. I have seen jaymz get VERY nasty with people before. Usually provoked, but It was still wrong, two wrongs don't make it right and my PERSONAL opinion is, he wrote that comment to see if he could turn some heads.. and LOOK. He managed to do it anyway.
Sure the moderators need their props, but just because someone does not post a whole topic on how great our mods are, does not mean they do not know. I send ALOT of my comments via personal messages, because I do not want to stir the kettle, or offend anyone else's views.
But, anyway. I said my piece. On to something else now.
Cb1 and Mouseclick are so cool. I can't believe that mouseclick is doing to well with his fasting! And what Cb1 has done to regain his health! Just amazing just to have them both in the forum. I value all they have to say.
With their fasting expeirences, they are such an encouragment to others. I know they are to me.
Your comment Chris ... "If this little game continues and you keep on returning under different pseudonyms/guises, then I see no alternative in my leaving curezone for good as this persons actions are undermining the role of the moderator, and where I have tried over the last year or so to be fair and helpful to everyone."
... you would consider leaving curezone for good because someone comes back under different names? Um ....
If something like this would make you abandon helping people then maybe you should quit the position of moderator and go back to just being a normal forum member. You seemed to have been sucked into the debate and drama and have taken sides which isn't really the quality of a moderator anyway.
You don't need to be a moderator to help people. You were doing better before you got your knickers in a twist because a few people didn't respect your authority.
The very fact that you are fueling this debate instead of remaining neutral says a lot. You are gathering troops for a battle that no one can possibly win.
I'm afraid you have totally misunderstood my post and position so I shall try to clarify this for you.
My decision to contemplate leaving or resigning from curezone was based ONLY on the premise that my position as moderator was being undermined, in that if someone is banned from this forum, then that decision should be upheld, and where if that person returns immediately under a different guise/username then that is clearly flouting that decision, and flouting the rules: that is all.
It is not a question of "taking sides" as you call it: taking sides with whom? and for what? I may ask.
Returning as a "member-only" does not "save face" and is basically an admission of defeat and or weakness of a mod's role in my view.
I would also agree with you: I do not need to be a moderator to help or advise people, and where I haven't got "my knickers in a twist" as you call it, but if anyone undermines the position of any moderator, then that is a justified reason to resign and/or abandon this role unless their decisions are abided by.
I also do not see the role of mod' as someone in "authority" or as someone else referred to as a position of "power", but more as a role of someone who attempts to oversee fairness and equality for all.
However, there is no "smoke without fire" and where I have not attempted to "fan the flames" of debate either, but merely to correct erroneous views that are misleading to members generally and are not supported or endorsed by the consensus of opinion within the annals of fasting and Natural Hygiene generally.
I think that your choice of words such as the above and "gathering the troops for battle" by themselves are inflammatory and provocative, and are not conducive to cordial relations between members; I suggest that you refrain from using them in future for this very reason.
Thanks all for the support, I think the same too for most people here, and of course Chrisb1 spent a lot of time introducing me to water fasting so how can I be anything but grateful.
However it seems that being a moderator seems to be like a red rag to a bull for some people, for example see the first half of http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1280977#i.
I have to say I would never have imagined that, but now I can see it's true.
Personally though, I always see the good side in people and can never get to the point of hating them. I never minded when the old moderator deleted my thread on climate change for example. I read the rules and found he or she was right to do so.
Hopefully we can all forget about disputes and just get back on with the business of water fasting. A little bit of courtesy doesn't cost anything and we should all use it, even if we disagree with someone's post.