I've read a lot of literature on bidifus being a rather nasty bacterium. present in infants, however generally does not persist into adulthood. As far as bacteria go it is fairly aggressive, there have been quite a few cases of bifido bacteria probitic supplements putting people with IBD into 'flairs' of the disease.
I had great success in curing myself of the chronic fatigue with the Specific carbohydrate diet. In my opinion any treatment of this kind of illness should start with diet, then lifestyle. Some of us simply do not cope well with the frankly unnatural world we have come to live in. The human body has an amazing ability to heal itself, and genetically we are all pretty healthy thanks to natural selection, of course if the body is already taxed by a poor diet it is liable to fall by the wayside.
By the way, I think asking about chronic fatigue in the Parasites Forum is a bad idea if you want a balanced view on the condition!
LOL. I didn't want a balanced view on CFS, I wanted a view on the parasite component of it.
WHere did you hear bifido is "nasty" besides from the author of Breaking teh Vicious Cycle (I forget her name right now). I heard that from her too but nowhere else. I have papers here from Pubmed which show bifidobacteria (in adults) is inversely correlated to endotoxins in the blood. And endotoxins in the blood can severely affect gastric motility, hydrochloric acid, pancreatic output and peristalis. I have papers here for that too. I would think this would set one up for all kinds of problems.
I actually heard it from the same person, elaine did a lot of research into just matters. I have had it confirmed a few times when IBD patients have taken VSL3 (very high in bifido) and be thrown into massive flairs, I myself have taken VSL3- it did not do my immune system any good, I had lots of inflammatory problems from it.
Are you sure you are not confusing herx with flare up?
Please elaborate on how you know that Bifidus was the problem.
Are talking about B. Longum?
I have taken handfuls of probiotics, on numerous occassions.
A naturopath I used to see told me B. Longum was the best, so I always make sure it is in the products I guy. It has never caused me any problems.
Perhaps it is competing with something in your system that is dying off and that is why you feel sick.
If not, this is very important information and I will mark your post with an R, and start avoiding B. Longum.
In specific carb diet circles bifidus is avoided like the plague for its tendancy to overgrowth, and aggressive properties. Unfortunately I cannot site any medical testing as its knowledge that has passed to me through word of mouth, forum posts, etc etc.
However of course I have experienced it for myself. I am very sure when I took bifidus it was not a herx reaction, It lasted for the entire 4 months I was taking the offending VSL3 supplement. During that time I had joint pain, amoung many other immune related imflamatory complaints. At the time I did think it was die off, but having experienced that a few times over now I know it was far from what die off is. The biggest indication being that for me the noticeable symptoms of die off last for 3-4 days, this was in the region of 4 months.
There may be some people on the pecanbread yahoo health group who can site a more solid sourse, should it interest you.
The research that elaine (scd diet creator) had shown that l.acdicop, l.thermius, l.bulcargius (appologies for poor spelling of them!) to be the 'best' probiotic to take as the three strains are well proven, non aggressive and quite importantly work well together. I don't think elaine ever published any literiture directly on her medical findings, however she did have a masters of Science degree specialising in bio-films so I think she knew what she was on about
MOthers milk doesn't contain bacteria. Where did you hear this ? It contains bifidus growth factors. In any case, bifidus is known to be in healthy babies. It doesn't make sense that it would be so high in babies and yet be dangerous to adults later on in general.
How does the mother's milk know it is going to encounter bifidus, and it needs to give the baby bifidus growth factors? Where does the baby get bifidus? Is it born with it? If so, then does it come in through the bloodstream?
I've read a lot on this but didn't keep my references. But what I learned is that the baby gets it's initial flora from the mother during delivery. Makes sense to me. And then the bifidus factor in the mothers milk promotes the growth of the bifidus. How it knows to do this Idon't know. Evoluation I guess ?
Lineup - I was thinking along the same lines with theliver. I was thinking transdermal glutthione instead of liposomal due to %%%%. Do you think mixing a little glutahtione with oil would get the glutathione in ? YOu can buy compounded transdermal GSH but again teh $$$$ and I'm going to be treating long term.
I've recently started IF1, IF2 and superfood.
So my plan right now is:
: contineu with IF1, IF2 and superfood
: continue with liver decongesting with glutathione and lecithin
: continue always with organic, low carb diet
: yogurt with bifidobacteria dnd acidophilus for probiotics
: after doing above for a while start parasite herbs
You should could try ... a thought is maybe you could apply it in the liver area since GSH is needed there....
Or you could just try to supplement with the co-factors (glycine, cysteine and glutamic acid ((double check that)) or try some protein powder, but IMO the free form complex is better (Anabol Naturals) with some added cysteine or NAC could work as well. Make sure you take the co-factors such as folic acid or better folinic acid w/ some b12 (methylcobalamin).
There are some other things that help the body regenerate GSH, such as antioxidants such as Vit C and I beleive tumeric will help as well.
I can get the liposomal at wholesale or close to it if you needed it.
Any thoughts on IV Glutathione? How much different/better would this rooute be than regular oral supp.?
I have found a place that does IV glutathione and I feel this might be my last and only option left to regain any health in whatever is left of my life. Should I try supp. first before I jump into this treatment? Maybe this way the Candida would not be increased?
I don't know what to say. I can tell you that transdermal glutathione really helped my digestion of fats. I did 1 glutathione IV and it caused em to hyperventilate. I'm looking forward to going back on the transdermal.
Yea ....right there with you.............
Trying to get treaTED for mercury poisoning and the place I found that will take my five fillings out treats the tyoxicity with IV Glutatthione......... i will check it out tomorrow.
IV would be the preferred way of getting glutathione into the system... Oral routes are tricky b/c the stomach acids are going to break the tri=peptide apart rendering it useless. I have used the Readisorb product with success, but I found out the hard way when I used too much that it was releasing toxins out of the liver into the intestinal tract via hepatobilary tree and those toxins were feeding my infection.
So I backed off and went back to a 1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon and have gradually worked up.